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Trogdor wrote:Bah, you can all pour resources into these plans if you wish. I'll crush you before you're half done (except my worthy human allies, of course).

Yes, of course. In the meantime, I will continue examining myself for the assumed knife in my back every time I wake up in the morning.

Trogdor wrote:Bah, you can all pour resources into these plans if you wish. I'll crush you before you're half done (except my worthy human allies, of course).

You'd be surprised. Can you crush me in 20 turns? I'm already churning out ships with Genesis Torpedo III to turn the 50 or so asteroids in my space into planets. And guess what, the planets retain their mineral values... so those 275% huge asteroids will be mineral dumps galore .

Brian

Arthur_Tuxedo wrote:

Trogdor wrote:Bah, you can all pour resources into these plans if you wish. I'll crush you before you're half done (except my worthy human allies, of course).

Yes, of course. In the meantime, I will continue examining myself for the assumed knife in my back every time I wake up in the morning.

You still trust me so little? We'll see if you change your mind when the Borg turn to you, Admiral, because I don't think they want a piece of the Ferengi.

brianeyci wrote:You'd be surprised. Can you crush me in 20 turns? I'm already churning out ships with Genesis Torpedo III to turn the 50 or so asteroids in my space into planets. And guess what, the planets retain their mineral values... so those 275% huge asteroids will be mineral dumps galore.

You can build a spherworld, move the warp point onto it, build numerous shield facilities on said sphereworld, and pack it with more fighters and weapons platforms than a huge oxygen world can hold in 20 turns? You're either lying or have as good as won the game.

You can build a spherworld, move the warp point onto it, build numerous shield facilities on said sphereworld, and pack it with more fighters and weapons platforms than a huge oxygen world can hold in 20 turns? You're either lying or have as good as won the game. :Confused:

No no no lol I can make planets... that crazy sphereworld idea was just a lark.

Now back Larry Niven hehe.

Brian

Oh, that's different, then.

I'll admit to being behind you there, but I hope to catch up soon...

I've got Genesis Torpedo I, so I'm not far behind.

It's not researching it that I'm worried about, after all, I am firmly in the lead for research points It's building the damned thing that concerns me. Brian's got better shipyards than I do, and I still don't have as many as I'd like.

I should be incommunicado for the next 36 hours or so, possibly more depending on how good my Christmas night is.

Trogdor wrote:It's not researching it that I'm worried about, after all, I am firmly in the lead for research points It's building the damned thing that concerns me. Brian's got better shipyards than I do, and I still don't have as many as I'd like.

How long does it take you to build one? It takes me 16 turns to build a Genesis III equipped small ship.

Anyway, a few turns difference doesn't make a big deal. The temporal shipyards were a really big help building my system gravitational shield facilities though, my first one comes online two turns from now. And there's a little bit of overhead time, it takes 8 turns to build one instead of 5 but the payoff is good, I'm finding ships that take 6 turns are taking 3 or 4 and the 50 turn shield facility took only 24 turns.

I expect the game to go another 50 turns at least, maybe 100 turns.

Brian

Not sure, I actually hadn't touched astrophysics yet, a mistake I am belatedly correcting (I have so many fucking research points but I'm still behind in tech levels! Why damnit?! ) I've been focusing so much on weapons, sensors, ECM, and the like that I neglected facilities upgrades and stuff too much.

Romulans have the hardy industrialists trait, so hopefully that'll even things out a bit. What I'm really worried about is you extending your resources lead to so much that you could defeat the likes of me with sheer numbers alone before I could catch up.

Huh, I'm already maxed in shields, sensors, ECM and weapons (well, still going on torpedo research I want those tri-cobalt torpedoes lol).

I only got mineral and radioactive II because III requires a shipyard (the cost of III is over 2000 so you can't build in one turn in a planet without a shipyard) and I don't build a shipyard until last on a high value planet. Low value planets I build research or intel and very small planets I build shipyards. So I researched practically nothing in minerals and radioactives. I'm in the process of replacing my homeworld's research centers with monolith facilities.

The 20% rad/min/org bonus is very nice for Ferengi, as is the 20% trade bonus. I have stocked up tons of resources, about 150k mins, 100k orgs and 300k rads, although turnover is very fast and every other turn I run dry then fill up by trading with neutrals. Since I have so little mins I trade say 50k rads for 49k mins and the AI always says yes.

I wouldn't worry so much though. Research is going to plateau very soon, it already has in the critical shields/ship hulls/weapons/sensors area.

What is your total research, mine is 570k.

<edit>Oh Ferengi have 20% to ship construction too, not hardy industralists just superior ship building. My temporal shipyards construct at 4200/4200/4200 a turn.</edit>

Brian

brianeyci wrote:Huh, I'm already maxed in shields, sensors, ECM and weapons (well, still going on torpedo research I want those tri-cobalt torpedoes lol).

Ah, there's where I'm ahead of you. I should have level one advanced plasma torps (the Romulan equiviliant to the tri-cobalt torps) next turn. I was afraid of someone use the invinci-shields trick, so I've been pouring research into torps to get the ones that can overwhelm said trick.

brianeyci wrote:What is your total research, mine is 570k.

<edit>Oh Ferengi have 20% to ship construction too, not hardy industralists just superior ship building. My temporal shipyards construct at 4200/4200/4200 a turn.</edit>

Brian

570k? That's it? Shit, I've got almost 712k and I haven't even upgraded my research centers past level 2 yet!

But that 4200/4200/4200 figure scares me. The shipyards at my sparsely populated colonies construction rate is almost 1000 slower.

You have a 30% trade with Kirk's Federation right? you should be getting a lot more from that anyway, and I have the Borg who I just broke my treaty with and the Klingons. Ah well, I'll catch up eventually .

Brian

Not quite 30% yet, but close, yeah.

I made a beeline for Shield Disruptor 5's so I could ignore shielding completely. Now that I have Neutrino Phasers I can also completely ignore armor. Once I get the tri-cobalt torps I'll be able to dish out long and short range firepower that ignores shields and armor

620k research, btw. The sparsely populated planets with the utopia planetia shipyards are getting about 4250, and the homeworlds with plan. SY 3's are getting 4380. So once I upgrade the homeworlds to utopia planetia, they should be getting almost 5000.

I'll be a day or two before I get my turns. Massive computer virus related doom. I'm backing my junk up now and reinstalling.

Aw man. Tholians have a few nice tricks, which can make them deadly early on, but it's looking like I'm gonna be massively outstripped in short order.

Also, what the hell? I know I submitted that turn! The first one I thougth maybe I forgot or something, but this one just totally ignored me. Damn!

Try it now. I just submitted mine... compy's back online. Well. Things will fire up sooner or later...

no, no, I mean I missed the previous two turns, so the AI has be ruining me!

Borg Nanoprobes strike again! (ouch. Try your turn now and pray that the AI didn't do too much damage.)

Bolte, you have to submit the .plr file, not any other file, not the .gam file or anything else. It should be called PBWSDNET_0008.plr, not the PBWSDNET.gam or any other file.

I'd turn back the turn for you if it was an honest mistake but other players have had serious bug problems too (Dalton having 1/2 value homeworlds, Nephtys having her fleet destroyed) so you are not alone. Sorry. The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the one, after all .

<edit>I just checked again and your turn hasn't been uploaded Bolte, not even a dummy file which would have shown up as awaiting turn. Don't use the real-time client, use a browser like IE (for me Firefox doesn't work with the java site) or use the text-only version of http://seiv.pbw.cc and send in the .plr file. It's not there, you can see for yourself.</edit>

Brian

Oh, I know, I was just whining

Alan Bolte wrote:Oh, I know, I was just whining

Np... the AI shouldn't have done that much damage to your empire anyway, usually it researches well and you just need to obsolete all the AI's designs.

I just checked the site, your turn isn't in, did you upload it already?

Brian

I've made alliances with every Neutral around (for the money), and well. Now they're all VERY slowly growing angry with me. Why's that?

Oh. And #3rd Place! WOoohoooooOoo!

Don't Neutrals _always_ do that?