More Trektardism

chitoryu12 · Post by **chitoryu12** » 2007-11-01 03:09pm

Darth Ruinus wrote:I like that Pheonix guys latest post, where he says that he was just threatened, and that, by his logic, we (here at SDN) think that it would be ok to kill people because they are stupid, since we think it is ok to flame people for stupidity.

He probably read the email sent by one of our ex-members to Darkstar saying that there are some people here who would have no problems with killing him. He got his ass burned off pretty quick-like.

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-11-01 03:09pm

Darth Ruinus wrote:I like that Pheonix guys latest post, where he says that he was just threatened, and that, by his logic, we (here at SDN) think that it would be ok to kill people because they are stupid, since we think it is ok to flame people for stupidity.

He's already posted this as evidence that we're a bunch of trolls. I am convinced the man/kid has no life, or has a very thin skin. Poor sod should be grateful he never grew up in my home region. Our teachers and community leaders had no qualms about calling a student an idiot in the event they acted as such. Its a good policy, one that I hope Phoenix grows a bit more backbone, or college/the working world are going to crush him like a bug.

*shakes head*

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-11-01 03:12pm

Darth Ruinus wrote:I like that Pheonix guys latest post, where he says that he was just threatened, and that, by his logic, we (here at SDN) think that it would be ok to kill people because they are stupid, since we think it is ok to flame people for stupidity.

is right. Phoenix really think telling him that his behavior would result in someone taking him to court in real life constitutes a "threat", eh? What a pussy.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-11-01 03:14pm

Aratech wrote:Its a good policy, one that I hope Phoenix grows a bit more backbone, or college/the working world are going to crush him like a bug.

You actually think that retard could even get IN to college? And not drop out of high school?

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-11-01 03:18pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Aratech wrote:Its a good policy, one that I hope Phoenix grows a bit more backbone, or college/the working world are going to crush him like a bug.
You actually think that retard could even get IN to college? And not drop out of high school?

I would like to think that there's hope for everyone. Perhaps, once he matures, he could make a valuable member of society. One never knows. *shrugs*

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-11-01 03:22pm

Aratech wrote:I would like to think that there's hope for everyone. Perhaps, once he matures, he could make a valuable member of society. One never knows. *shrugs*

Phoenix obviously has some kind of learning disability, SOME form of severe mental retardation. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it turns out he has Down Syndrome or some other severe mental disorder or injury.

Terralthra · Post by **Terralthra** » 2007-11-01 03:22pm

Connor MacLeod wrote: Well, that was interesting.

- I'm not convinced that the thing is actually 4-5 km long defintely. At most, that's an upper limit. I'd say more like 3 km if anything. But again, if Spock wants to do the scaling to prove his point, ,he can be my guest. (then again it would still be an upper limit, since the comet was closer to the camera than the enterrpise at the only scaling reference I noticed.)

As far as scaling goes, I got bored in one of my less interesting classes and did some scaling on the standard "flying through space" imagery used a couple times.

The comet is somewhat difficult to accurately box, given the vapor cloud, but in that image, it appears to be a spheroid approximately 100 pixels in diameter, +/- 3 pixels. The Enterprise-D is at a bit of an angle, giving the distance across the widest part of the saucer section at 140 pixels by 18 pixels.

Pythagorean theorem
a^2 + b^2 = c^2
140^2 + 18^2 = c^2
19600 + 324 = c^2
19924 = c^2
141.15 = c

So the Enterprise-D's saucer section is approximately 141 pixels wide, +/- 2 pixels for anti-aliasing. According to Memory Alpha (link), the beam of the GCS is 463.73 meters.

d(C) = diameter of comet.

d(C)/100 = 463.73/141
141 * d(C) = 463.73 * 100
d(C) = 46373/141
d(C) = 328.88m (+/- 13m)

328 +/- 13m = d(C)
v(C) = 4/3*pi*r^3
v(C) = 4/3*pi*(d(C)/2)^3
v(C) = 4/3*pi*164^3

v(Comet) = 18.4 * 10^6 m^3

The comet has a diameter of 328 meters and a volume of 18.4 * 10^6 m^3, as an absolute lower limit. Since it is obviously behind the E-D, it is most likely quite a bit larger, but in order for his figures to be accurate, it would have to be far enough away that it is an order of magnitude, and then some, smaller in apparent size.

Doesn't look that far away to me, but I don't know the math well enough to do the distance scaling to arrive at a better figure.

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2007-11-01 03:27pm

Combine blatant idiocy with a fervent need to prove that people at Stardestroyer.net are the Bad Guys.....

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2007-11-01 03:45pm

I like how in Pheonix's latest round of incoherent babble, he says that Mike Wong's line of thinking isn't far off from Boyd's commentary about baby-killing.

Libel is a crime, Pheonix. And I know you're reading this.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-11-01 09:14pm

I'm not the greatest scaler in the world but here is what I came up with:

Cheesy scaling

I can't see that comet being any bigger than 7 km tops.

Aratech · Post by **Aratech** » 2007-11-01 09:39pm

Looking at his latest post, I can't help but wonder if Phoenix even reads before replying.

Terralthra · Post by **Terralthra** » 2007-11-01 09:49pm

Darth Servo wrote:I'm not the greatest scaler in the world but here is what I came up with:

Cheesy scaling

I can't see that comet being any bigger than 7 km tops.

No way, dude, the comet is very clearly much closer to the camera than the E-D. Put another way, if the comet is 6km (the purple circle) it's far enough away in the first shot I put up that it's ten times smaller, which just isn't justifiable by the evidence. I think I'm going to study Saxton's scaling a bit, see if I can't crack it.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-11-01 11:03pm

Terralthra wrote:No way, dude, the comet is very clearly much closer to the camera than the E-D. Put another way, if the comet is 6km (the purple circle) it's far enough away in the first shot I put up that it's ten times smaller, which just isn't justifiable by the evidence. I think I'm going to study Saxton's scaling a bit, see if I can't crack it.

Well,

As I said, I'm not great at scaling.
It was a quick, first attempt.
For a second attempt, I'd probably adjust the multiplier by the change in width of the phaser beam

Terralthra · Post by **Terralthra** » 2007-11-01 11:22pm

I think the key is to scale the two shots against each other.

IE, in shot 1, the E-D saucer is 141 px wide, in shot 2, it's 123, therefore, the camera in shot 2 (which is very obviously placed on the comet itself) is no further than 15% (141/123 = 1.15) further than the camera in shot 1. From the relative sizes of the comet in both (as shown by the purple circle in yours, and the green lines in mine) one could probably figure out the approximate distance from the E-D in both shots, and thereby establish the diameter of the asteroid.

From the very simplistic scale drawing you did, it's certainly between 328m lower limit and 6km upper limit.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-11-02 12:24am

Aratech wrote:Looking at his latest post, I can't help but wonder if Phoenix even reads before replying.

I can't help but wonder if he even knows how to read.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2007-11-02 12:25am

Damn, no edit: I mean really, how retarded does on need to be to try and take a point that is obviously about targeting accuracy, hitting one-meter tall droids and think its about weapon power?

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2007-11-02 05:30am

How do you count the pixels? Is there a program you can download for that?

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-11-02 05:33am

OmegaGuy wrote:How do you count the pixels? Is there a program you can download for that?

Any decent image editor tracks the size in pixels of selected areas or user-drawn lines.

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2007-11-02 05:34am

The ones I use don't.

Either that or I haven't figured out how.

Bounty · Post by **Bounty** » 2007-11-02 05:59am

OmegaGuy wrote:The ones I use don't.

Either that or I haven't figured out how.

In MSPaint (*shudder*) you just need to select an area and look in the bottom-right corner:

(sorry about the crap screenshot, I couldn't be arsed to start Windows proper).

OmegaGuy · Post by **OmegaGuy** » 2007-11-02 10:10am

But what if you want to measure a diagonal line?

Terralthra · Post by **Terralthra** » 2007-11-02 10:48am

Do what I did in this screenshot:

Make a box around the line such that one corner is on each end of the diagonal line, measure the width and height, then use Pythagoras's theorem.

Jark · Post by **Jark** » 2007-11-03 07:56am

OmegaGuy wrote:But what if you want to measure a diagonal line?

Microsoft Paint will give you 2 figures when you use the line tool along the lines of say, 10 x 10. Those numbers represent pixels. Whatever those figures are, just use them as the sides of a right angle triangle and use the Pythagorean theorem to work out the diagonal. In the above case, 14.1

Zablorg · Post by **Zablorg** » 2007-11-05 01:29am

So, the line gradient, in other words?

Lord Poe · Post by **Lord Poe** » 2007-11-05 03:20pm

Darth Ruinus wrote:I like that Pheonix guys latest post, where he says that he was just threatened, and that, by his logic, we (here at SDN) think that it would be ok to kill people because they are stupid, since we think it is ok to flame people for stupidity.

Darth Servo informed me that JMDumbass is bringing up the Darkstar TGOD again in reference apparently, to my homicidal intent. So I decided to create this message:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEAZGTKqTQw