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Yup, that's the ion cannon array. Cool beans.

I just noticed something... the large quad guns on the ship seem to be over 150 meters long... those are very large cannons... I wonder where those cannons went in the Imperial Navy...

Now my question is what is the firepower of those sucker... ( I will go into the petatonne range)

Darksider wrote:RE: The guns.

Perhaps there are several gun emplacements set all over the planet, but these were the ones protecting the capital.

Take the capital, capture Wat Tambor, and the planet is freed, so Obi-wan, being the senior Jedi commander under Mace Windu (and most experienced) gets tasked with taking out the critical gun positions screening the approach to the planetary capital.

My problem was less with this village being the only gun coverage for the capital, and more so that when Obi-wan turns one against the other guns that it is nowhere near the same level as firepower shown used against the ships. The clones were loading shells of some sort into the turret, but is this a case where the shells are just payloads of charge like a blaster pack? (Someone refresh me about the RoTS broadside cannons. Were those flak guns, or were they firing beams like this thing was? I vaguely recall a discussion here about them at one point) Did Obi-Wan dial down the power setting, because it seemed like he was still expending a round per fire.

Also, the thing was called a "proton cannon" right? Are we meant to infer this was a torpedo cannon, or something new they just cooked up? The thing was firing beams though, wasn't it? *confused*

If it's the case that it's something new and not just a fancy name for a turbolaser or heavy laser cannon, perhaps they should avoid naming it so close to something already established in the cannon with a completely different mechanism.

However they work, its no surprise that Obi-wan fired a lower power shot. What's the alternative, firing a blast powerful enough to bring down an Aclamator at a target in close proximity?

Lord_Xerxes wrote:

Darksider wrote:RE: The guns.

Perhaps there are several gun emplacements set all over the planet, but these were the ones protecting the capital.

Take the capital, capture Wat Tambor, and the planet is freed, so Obi-wan, being the senior Jedi commander under Mace Windu (and most experienced) gets tasked with taking out the critical gun positions screening the approach to the planetary capital.

My problem was less with this village being the only gun coverage for the capital, and more so that when Obi-wan turns one against the other guns that it is nowhere near the same level as firepower shown used against the ships. The clones were loading shells of some sort into the turret, but is this a case where the shells are just payloads of charge like a blaster pack? (Someone refresh me about the RoTS broadside cannons. Were those flak guns, or were they firing beams like this thing was? I vaguely recall a discussion here about them at one point) Did Obi-Wan dial down the power setting, because it seemed like he was still expending a round per fire.

Also, the thing was called a "proton cannon" right? Are we meant to infer this was a torpedo cannon, or something new they just cooked up? The thing was firing beams though, wasn't it? *confused*


If it's the case that it's something new and not just a fancy name for a turbolaser or heavy laser cannon, perhaps they should avoid naming it so close to something already established in the cannon with a completely different mechanism.

Ghetto Edit. I see this topic is being discussed in the other thread, which I hadn't seen initially. My bad.

That Tactical droid was a bastard this episode. Count Dooku tells Wat Tanbor (organic in charge of the Ryloth campaign) to get on board the transport, as the Separatists do not want Wat to be captured. Dooku then gives orders to the droid to make sure Wat Tanbor does not stay behind.

After the communnications are over, Wat Tanbor tells the droid they are not leaving until all of the treasure is on board. The droid then looks at Wat and while holding up the holocomm (where they got their orders from Count Dooku) and says, "We have our orders". Basically, Wat was no longer in charge of when he would leave. The Tactical Droid orders Wat's shuttle prepped for takeoff, and Wat says he is not leaving without the last 2 transports of treasure. The Tactical Droid agrees, but "we have a schedule". The Droid is informing Wat Tanbor that it will not let Wat's greed affect his escape.

Later on, Wat orders droid bombers to attack the nearby Twi'lek villages, and then adds to target the inhabited ones first. The Tactical Droid just says, "of course;" I'm willing to bet the Tactical Droid had preloaded those villages as the primary targets.

Finally, after the Republic has gotten into the capital city (plasma bridge?), and Wat is running to his shuttle to escape, he sees the door close, and the shuttle lift off. Inside the shuttle, the Tactical Droid informs Count Dooku that Wat Tanbor decided to stay behind. And since the droid is not a living being, Count Dooku has to accept what the droid says.


Other notes:
The hand gestures used by the Tactical Droid were different this time. I wonder if the different gestures are tied into which part of the programming the droid uses for its primary battle strategies. So if one prefers to use the clasped hand gesture, it tends to use human shields or other low-cost high-effect tactics. Another one prefers efficiency, a third rapid strikes to weaken enemy positions, a fourth prefers heavy forces to destroy, etc.

So the Jedi (and the audience) start getting used to certain droids have a certain hand gesture and preferring a certain tactic. A later episode though, shows a droid changing hand gestures, and the viewer realizes that the droid is changing tactics based on the situation. The gestures get more complex over time, until the Tactical Droids are one step short of a human commander, but capable of being manufactured in large quantities.

"Our exit strategy is taking more time to implement."

LOL

I like all the references to the larger conflict on the planet. Multiple locations and even a mention of how the initial droid invasion swept over the entire planet. Nice stuff. Also, go turncoat tactical droid. Smartest one yet. I also liked Tambor's seeming reconcilliation with the bombing attack on the capital. He's no Nute "quaking in his boots" Gunray.

VT-16 wrote:I like all the references to the larger conflict on the planet. Multiple locations and even a mention of how the initial droid invasion swept over the entire planet. Nice stuff. Also, go turncoat tactical droid. Smartest one yet. I also liked Tambor's seeming reconcilliation with the bombing attack on the capital. He's no Nute "quaking in his boots" Gunray.

He seems remarkably matter of fact.

"We are all about to perish for the greater glory of the Separatist Alliance. Nice meeting you, general Windu."

Also, did anybody else see in the preview for next week's episode someone who I think might be Aurra Sing?

Yeah, thought I saw a flash of her, Sing. More interested in the Duros guy in the wide brim hat.

Did anyone else catch the part where Anakin said he was mopping up more Separatist warships?


Since the blockade ships were annihilated in the first episode, These must have been different ships. Whadda ya think, a few cruisers jumping in in a last ditch attempt to save the Ryloth garrison or something?

I liked the droids in this episode, they didn't seem quite so dumb. I particularly enjoyed the tactical droid just leaving Tambor to his fate.

Darksider wrote:Did anyone else catch the part where Anakin said he was mopping up more Separatist warships?


Since the blockade ships were annihilated in the first episode, These must have been different ships. Whadda ya think, a few cruisers jumping in in a last ditch attempt to save the Ryloth garrison or something?

I think he was referring to the fighter/bombers.

Oh. And I liked that the Vulture Bombers seem very much to be a clone wars version of TIE bombers.

Knife wrote:I think he was referring to the fighter/bombers.

He said he had "cruisers on the run", so there were some capital ships as well.

NecronLord wrote:I liked the droids in this episode, they didn't seem quite so dumb. I particularly enjoyed the tactical droid just leaving Tambor to his fate.

Yeah.

Even the B-1 commander at the beginning showed some tactical skill when he ordered his forces to target the lead and rear walkers to pin the convoy down. Too bad he didn't count on Mace Windu's badassery.

Also, Did anyone else note that the walkers seemed to be impervious to the AAT's main cannon fire? They only managed to disable the lead walker with a direct hit to one of the legs, despite scoring several direct hits to the main body.

I also need to point out my favorite action sequence so far is probably the one on the plasma bridge as it's shutting down. I literally got goosebumps when the siren played (Silent Hill flashbacks) and the whole silence while Mace is trying to escape. I hope to see similarly inventive scenes in upcoming stories.

I am really getting concerned about firepower level. Why didn't the Seperatist tanks fire at the walkway and collapsed it? (when the republic walkers made their slow ascent). It should have been real easy if those tanks can fire weaponry in the MT range.

It actually looked like they were trying, we see some of the ground collapse towards the edge.

Yeah,but the majority of the fire was directed at the walkers and the ground tumbling away didn't really look that much - certainly not what you'd expect after getting hit with MT blasts.

Thanas wrote:Yeah,but the majority of the fire was directed at the walkers and the ground tumbling away didn't really look that much - certainly not what you'd expect after getting hit with MT blasts.

Haven't seen the episode, but how close were the guns to the walkers? Because if they were right on top of each other, they'd probably be reluctant to start pumping out MT-level blasts.

The tactical droid and the commando (is that what they are called?) droids that entered the bridge control room were the most effective, I thought.

Darksider wrote:
Also, Did anyone else note that the walkers seemed to be impervious to the AAT's main cannon fire? They only managed to disable the lead walker with a direct hit to one of the legs, despite scoring several direct hits to the main body.

Watching it again right now and I noticed that some of the shots that hit the walker (before it lost a leg) seemed to hit the "open" spaces in front of and behind the center side leg. There didn't seem to be any explosion, however. The thing kept on going until it lost the leg.

Speaking of that walker, that was a nice touch of Windu shattering the transparency and pulling out the pilot.

The Romulan Republic wrote:

Thanas wrote:Yeah,but the majority of the fire was directed at the walkers and the ground tumbling away didn't really look that much - certainly not what you'd expect after getting hit with MT blasts.

Haven't seen the episode, but how close were the guns to the walkers? Because if they were right on top of each other, they'd probably be reluctant to start pumping out MT-level blasts.

A few hundred meters. But those are droids. Why didn't the seperatist commander order them to - if necessary - blow themselves up, to sacrifice 20+ droids in exchange for the main columm of the Republic army?

Thanas wrote:A few hundred meters. But those are droids. Why didn't the seperatist commander order them to - if necessary - blow themselves up, to sacrifice 20+ droids in exchange for the main columm of the Republic army?

The droids in the control room certainly weren't reluctant to sacrifice their fellows. The one saw Windu and his men on the transport and cut the power to the bridge pretty quickly. It actually said something like, "Too bad for them," speaking of the other droids in the vehicles.

Did anyone else notice the commando droid bursting in behind the B1 droids in the control room, picking up one of the B1s and then throwing it at the clone troops? Very slick.

FSTargetDrone wrote: Did anyone else notice the commando droid bursting in behind the B1 droids in the control room, picking up one of the B1s and then throwing it at the clone troops? Very slick.

The commando droids actually gave the boys some trouble. In general I like those things, and they were just used better in this episode than in the past. They're fast and quiet and menacing. Also the Vulture Bombers were very neat to see.