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PeZook wrote:

RogueIce wrote: Ed White is a proud member of the MSA, not FASTA. Neener neener.

FINE!

I'll just take a CSR guy, then!

You could always blow up a USSR astronaut. I wouldn't mind.

So with edit authority returned the BICOM post is now up to date with ratifying nations. If anyone else wants to sign before I petition for a MESS embargo please do so.

CmdrWilkens wrote:Alaska is...I' not sure but quite possibly ready to play everyone off one another for a bigger seat at the table.

Alaska is very very reliant on Oil/Natural Gas Exports at the present time. There are large mineral deposits, but most of them have yet to be fully explored. As a result of this, Alaska needs stability in MessAmerica, but as you said, we are ready to play most people off each other for a bigger seat at the table (with the main exception of Cascadia (Alaska's closest friend).

Stas Bush wrote:Yeah, but large naval vessels, which one had under construction, would get stuck & delayed for several month after the Shep Astaria war most certainly.

I know this is a REALLY old quote but I wanted to go back and addrress this with a large number of the STAR Cruisers and STAR destroyers slated to come online this year and in the next few game years:

This was, and is, the central military funding priority for Wilkonia (and almost all of the funding was Wilkonian) so it may be instructive that I basically shat on my carrier build schedule and took a half strength army for a year and a half in order to keep from shifting funding. Moreover my Marine Corps only came back up to full strength within the last couple game months while the Army still has B and C rated brigades. Moreover compared with other nations my invetment in space and funamental physics has been minimal with most of the money either coming from joint MESS projects (funded largely with Shinra money untouched by either war) or commercial projects (the XM Satellite Radios) that don't have government funding. In other words for a country with an initial GDP in the $5.1 trillion range and probably having risen then fallen back to that point over the last few game years my investment in new naval technology is affordable even without the scale factors aided by Wilkonian shipyards knowing they have ready made clients not requiring any modifications and thus the prospect of huge sales in order to justify a certain redundancy in production and conmensurate cost savings due to economies of scale.

The CSR sees the future of warfare as spacebound, not seabound anyway. We aren't all that concerned.

That kind of future is still a long way off for most of us. I still have to look towards my navy, and to that end I'll be laying down two new Braunschweigs and putting in an order for six more Formidables and two more Álvaro de Bazáns to fully complete it.

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:That kind of future is still a long way off for most of us. I still have to look towards my navy, and to that end I'll be laying down two new Braunschweigs and putting in an order for six more Formidables and two more Álvaro de Bazáns to fully complete it.

Another order?

My Navy is enough to ensure my SSGNs survive long enough to blow the crap out of any nation which dares to assault the CSR. I see no reason in expanding it further, especially as crisis in upon us.

Stas Bush wrote:The CSR sees the future of warfare as spacebound, not seabound anyway. We aren't all that concerned.

Well with that in mind I have , now that editing is restored, updated my Order of Battle to reflect all construction through Q2 of FY11. The post now includes information on governmental structure and economic items of note. In the near future I hope to incorporate notes about the Royal Space Agency and the Homeland Defense Command/Agency/Whatever I name it.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:That kind of future is still a long way off for most of us. I still have to look towards my navy, and to that end I'll be laying down two new Braunschweigs and putting in an order for six more Formidables and two more Álvaro de Bazáns to fully complete it.

Another order?

Yes, sir. Six Formidables modified to the same specs as before (Mk 41 VLS, two Goalkeeper CIWS, RAM launcher, and sea skimmer detection radar) and two F100s, all for the flat price of $3 billion.

Also, Byzantine Heavy Industries makes Panzerhaubitze 2000s and Mowag Piranha derivatives, right? I'll be needing about 60 LAV-25s and 32 PzH 2000s for my Marine Corps. That'll set me back another...$230 million total, maybe?

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:That kind of future is still a long way off for most of us. I still have to look towards my navy, and to that end I'll be laying down two new Braunschweigs and putting in an order for six more Formidables and two more Álvaro de Bazáns to fully complete it.

Another order?

Yes, sir. Six Formidables modified to the same specs as before (Mk 41 VLS, two Goalkeeper CIWS, RAM launcher, and sea skimmer detection radar) and two F100s, all for the flat price of $3 billion.

Also, Byzantine Heavy Industries makes Panzerhaubitze 2000s and Mowag Piranha derivatives, right? I'll be needing about 60 LAV-25s and 32 PzH 2000s for my Marine Corps. That'll set me back another...$230 million total, maybe?

Sure. Consider it done.

Dun-dun-dun!

Lonestar wrote:Dun-dun-dun!

Damnit, clearly I've stationed my supproting division in the wrong place if they don't get any "dun dun dun" action in their sector. Oh sure I'm cleaning up all sorts of Shepistani secrets but I don't get no cliffhangers.

Lonestar wrote:Dun-dun-dun!

Zombie Shep?

CmdrWilkens wrote:
Damnit, clearly I've stationed my supproting division in the wrong place if they don't get any "dun dun dun" action in their sector. Oh sure I'm cleaning up all sorts of Shepistani secrets but I don't get no cliffhangers.

That's because you deployed stuff to support operations in East Shepistan(the Mexico/Bangladesh of Shepland), remember? I think only the OD running around in Shepistan.

It seemed to me that the other players never really decided to fully enact Czech's proposed alteration to the Caymans, so I decided to merge the two a bit. Caymans Petroleum doesn't rule the government outright, they're just one of the many corporate backers who use money and influence to keep the mainstream right-wing party in power and get favors in return.

Unlike Czech, who needed to give the Caymans massive oil production as a stick to keep the outside world from thwarting a corporation seizing control of an entire country, this scenario doesn't really need this. Arguably most Caymanians, even the poorest, are better off than the vast majority of Velerian natives and maybe even a couple of the worse Frequesuan nations (and frankly probably no worse off than lower-class San Doradoians).

Though I always had the Communists outlawed after 2003 due to their attempts to stoke anti-government violence. I just elaborated on that here. And I see Stas has picked up on that.

However, I intend to keep the other side of Caymanian extremism too. Communists may or may not be so supportive of the Mesoamerican ethnic seperatists in the two eastern-most islands, Stas can decide that.

I may post again tonight, elaborate on some stuff, particularly what Cascadia's been up to since I quit the game temporarily.

So...Shep infected himself with HERV?

Lonestar wrote:

CmdrWilkens wrote:
Damnit, clearly I've stationed my supproting division in the wrong place if they don't get any "dun dun dun" action in their sector. Oh sure I'm cleaning up all sorts of Shepistani secrets but I don't get no cliffhangers.

That's because you deployed stuff to support operations in East Shepistan(the Mexico/Bangladesh of Shepland), remember? I think only the OD running around in Shepistan.

I deployed my Marines to East Shepistan but the 14th Division (Heavy) is based out of a FOB/Fort on the NW coast of Shepistan proper. That said they've mostly been confining themselves to patrolling port towns partially to make sure that there are no secret Shepistani projects lurking about the ocean. Its sad but I listed a base name in my OOB and can't recall it right now but nonetheless my 14th Div is in country, I've got a MEU mucking about in East Shepistan but I'm not really all that active in trying to restore civil authority outside of the port towns on the North coast. Anything in the interior of the country would be, at best, recon battalions doing quick runs.

PeZook wrote:So...Shep infected himself with HERV?

No, he took a deep breath of something nasty, and while no longer contagious, is getting ready to die. Don't well, he'll be Vamped soon enough.

What decision was made to the ultimate status of South Veleria? Is there a remnant Astarian government there? A FUN/Sirnothese protectorate?

Steve wrote:What decision was made to the ultimate status of South Veleria? Is there a remnant Astarian government there? A FUN/Sirnothese protectorate?

Well, it did end up getting gassed...

So I have a JFK-esque CV and a pair of Perry-esque FFGs no longer in service. Anyone interested?

The CV probably has at most 25 years of service under her belt, but is reasonably well maintained. Of course any MESS/SR sensitive electronics will be removed. Although we'll fuel it up for you.

Alaska will make noises about the carrier. I'm unsure, be we'll make noises.

Hoo boy. A John F. Kennedy class aircraft carrier? What's the base price, and how much would it cost for the MESS/Shinra-specific hardware to be replaced with generic equivalents? Also, does anyone know where I can get S-3 Vikings, E-2 Hawkeyes, SH-60 Seahawks, and MH-53E Sea Dragons to fully round out the air complement?

Yeah, but dropping some gas to punish them for launching a risk bioattack isn't quite the same as what Shep did to them.