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Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:Hoo boy. A John F. Kennedy class aircraft carrier? What's the base price, and how much would it cost for the MESS/Shinra-specific hardware to be replaced with generic equivalents? Also, does anyone know where I can get S-3 Vikings, E-2 Hawkeyes, SH-60 Seahawks, and MH-53E Sea Dragons to fully round out the air complement?

...why would you have Sea Dragons?

Lonestar wrote:

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:Hoo boy. A John F. Kennedy class aircraft carrier? What's the base price, and how much would it cost for the MESS/Shinra-specific hardware to be replaced with generic equivalents? Also, does anyone know where I can get S-3 Vikings, E-2 Hawkeyes, SH-60 Seahawks, and MH-53E Sea Dragons to fully round out the air complement?

...why would you have Sea Dragons?

Now that you ask me, I'm not so sure myself. Wiki says the MH-53E is used as a airborne minesweeper, but does a carrier really need a complement of minesweeping helicopters?

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote: Now that you ask me, I'm not so sure myself. Wiki says the MH-53E is used
as a airborne minesweeper, but does a carrier really need a complement
of minesweeping helicopters?

Not really. Well, unless it needs to deal with mines. Then they'd be rather useful.

Steve wrote:

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote: Now that you ask me, I'm not so sure myself. Wiki says the MH-53E is used as a airborne minesweeper, but does a carrier really need a complement of minesweeping helicopters?

Not really. Well, unless it needs to deal with mines. Then they'd be rather useful.

Well, one can never be too cautious. Assuming I do get that carrier, I'd probably do well to keep a small number of Sea Dragons on board just in case.

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:Hoo boy. A John F. Kennedy class aircraft carrier? What's the base price, and how much would it cost for the MESS/Shinra-specific hardware to be replaced with generic equivalents? Also, does anyone know where I can get S-3 Vikings, E-2 Hawkeyes, SH-60 Seahawks, and MH-53E Sea Dragons to fully round out the air complement?

The S-3s, E-2s and SH-60s I can supply readily. If you really want MH-53s I can also supply them since my Marines are equipped with CH-53s.

CmdrWilkens wrote:

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:Hoo boy. A John F. Kennedy class aircraft carrier? What's the base price, and how much would it cost for the MESS/Shinra-specific hardware to be replaced with generic equivalents? Also, does anyone know where I can get S-3 Vikings, E-2 Hawkeyes, SH-60 Seahawks, and MH-53E Sea Dragons to fully round out the air complement?

The S-3s, E-2s and SH-60s I can supply readily. If you really want MH-53s I can also supply them since my Marines are equipped with CH-53s.

How much for each type? Even if I don't get the carrier, I'll probably be interested in the UH-60, CH-53, and their respective derivatives anyway.

Hmm...it just dawned on me that developing the Proton is quite wasteful if there are already two medium-weight boosters being flung about (Lucrelance II and the Delta series)

So...Siege, mang, it would be awesome if we could just license the design for FASTA use, provided it can loft 25 tonnes to orbit. This will free up monies for development of the Saturn and Energia boosters...

PeZook wrote:So...Siege, mang, it would be awesome if we could just license the design for FASTA use, provided it can loft 25 tonnes to orbit. This will free up monies for development of the Saturn and Energia boosters...

We'd be more than happy to do business with you. The Lucrelance II can boost 15.1 tonnes, not 25, but we're already working on a heavier version for future projects, so I'm sure we would be able to accomodate you.

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:Well, one can never be too cautious. Assuming I do get that carrier, I'd probably do well to keep a small number of Sea Dragons on board just in case.

Since I use MH-53Es I'm sure I can hook you up there. Though if you're interested I also build Hyuga DDHs (Wikipedia) that I deploy as basically MH-53E carriers (Minesweeping command ships, really).

As for the price of my JFK...let me ponder that question and get back to you.

SiegeTank wrote: We'd be more than happy to do business with you. The Lucrelance II can boost 15.1 tonnes, not 25, but we're already working on a heavier version for future projects, so I'm sure we would be able to accomodate you.

Okay then. Joint project? FASTA haz working restartable upper stages, too. We could have a jointly developed rocket.

PeZook wrote:Okay then. Joint project? FASTA haz working restartable upper stages, too. We could have a jointly developed rocket.

Sounds like an excellent plan to me! I guess the end-result would be something like a Titan IV on steroids, which should prove quite useful to have around.

I'm carrying out my own rocket development, independent of FASTA, just as the space planes are solely SNC.


EDIT: Side note, the Angara, which can be designed given that we have a RD-170 coming up, is actually a replacement rocket for the Proton.

But then again, I am planning in the direction of a hybrid Ares/Energia program.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: EDIT: Side note, the Angara, which can be designed given that we have a RD-170 coming up, is actually a replacement rocket for the Proton.

I was under the impression the RD-170 is still a decade away? In this case, we'll use the uprated Lucrelance in the interim while waiting for the Angara.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: But then again, I am planning in the direction of a hybrid Ares/Energia program.

This is where the general FASTA space program is headed ; Are you duplicating it?

Byzantium is in the FASTA, isn't it now? *lowers eyebrows*

In case it's in the MSA, I'm afraid... *takes notes* Rival space agency, so no free cookies from the RD-170 program, you'd have to make the engine on your own.

Stas Bush wrote:Byzantium is in the FASTA, isn't it now? *lowers eyebrows*

In case it's in the MSA, I'm afraid... *takes notes* Rival space agency, so no free cookies from the RD-170 program, you'd have to make the engine on your own.

I'm in FASTA. It's just that I want my own indigenous technologies for my own use.

PeZook wrote:I was under the impression the RD-170 is still a decade away? In this case, we'll use the uprated Lucrelance in the interim while waiting for the Angara.

Probably 3-5 years. Unless you want to be realistic about it, then it's actually 20-30 years away. The prototype engine is a few prototypes away before the final version. I would like to point out that it will take a few years to marry the rocket to the engine.

This is where the general FASTA space program is headed ; Are you duplicating it?

Not really no. It's just that I doubt FASTA wishes to fund a rocket with a huge nuke at the tip. It is a civilian program.

It's just that I doubt FASTA wishes to fund a rocket with a huge nuke at the tip.

Why? YOu could put a 100 ton nuke instead of a 100 ton satellite on an Energia rocket... I doubt there's really much of a distinction. If you're making ICBMs (not a good idea considering the density of ABM now, you'd need to make thousands to get them viable)... then you don't need rockets heavier than an R-36, and probably nto even that...

If that's an ASAT nuclear weapon, then Energia is your pick. Just shoot your orbital nuke in place and keep it ready to kill other satellites. I would note though that guns, lasers and KSATs are a better way of dealing with enemy space assets, since orbital radiation does not kill satellites immediately (a laser or KSAT would).

If it is for an orbital nuclear weapon, Energia will likewise suffice. No one will know what the hell you are launching from your Launchpad 10 somewhere in the desert.

Stas Bush wrote:Why? YOu could put a 100 ton nuke instead of a 100 ton satellite on an Energia rocket... I doubt there's really much of a distinction. If you're making ICBMs (not a good idea considering the density of ABM now, you'd need to make thousands to get them viable)... then you don't need rockets heavier than an R-36, and probably nto even that...

If that's an ASAT nuclear weapon, then Energia is your pick. Just shoot your orbital nuke in place and keep it ready to kill other satellites. I would note though that guns, lasers and KSATs are a better way of dealing with enemy space assets, since orbital radiation does not kill satellites immediately (a laser or KSAT would).

If it is for an orbital nuclear weapon, Energia will likewise suffice. No one will know what the hell you are launching from your Launchpad 10 somewhere in the desert.

Well, why mix a military program with a civilian one? I intend to use the Energia, but of course you would have to add some additional guidance systems to guide the rocket out. I was thinking more in the lines of using the rocket to hit say an asteroid. Of course that is on the premise that we intend to continue this Vampire thingy.

Vampire stuff?

I think that's years and years down the line. I expect to field a small Orion ship in some 20 years, a technology demonstrator of sorts.

Conventional fuelled rockets are not a space fleet backbone, and a good weapon against space they do not make...

Stas Bush wrote:Vampire stuff?

I think that's years and years down the line. I expect to field a small Orion ship in some 20 years, a technology demonstrator of sorts.

Conventional fuelled rockets are not a space fleet backbone, and a good weapon against space they do not make...

I was actually thinking of a Nuclear rocket as part of a 3 stage rocket, actually, or a nuclear driver ion drive, then send it hurtling towards Mars.

Some kind of ship.. hmm....

Space Stations are definitely on the cards.. only a question of when.

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:

CmdrWilkens wrote:

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:Hoo boy. A John F. Kennedy class aircraft carrier? What's the base price, and how much would it cost for the MESS/Shinra-specific hardware to be replaced with generic equivalents? Also, does anyone know where I can get S-3 Vikings, E-2 Hawkeyes, SH-60 Seahawks, and MH-53E Sea Dragons to fully round out the air complement?

The S-3s, E-2s and SH-60s I can supply readily. If you really want MH-53s I can also supply them since my Marines are equipped with CH-53s.

How much for each type? Even if I don't get the carrier, I'll probably be interested in the UH-60, CH-53, and their respective derivatives anyway.

S-3Cs go for $28mil ea completely outfitted, you can get a stripped down version for $22.5 but then need to put all of your own avionics and such on it. There is a $1mil surcharge for upfitting to the KS-3C standard for tanker utilization.

E-2Ds go for $85mil ea completely outfitted.

UH/SH-60s go for $9.5 TO $11.2mil ea depending upon mission and outfitting

CH/MH-53Ks go for $22mil to $25mil ea again depending upon mission and outfitting. Again these are the K variants only so you are getting Super Stallions with a lot more lift capacity (roughly 13.5 tons external).

So no one wants to put in for the proposed international Extreme Lift Facility at Katangwa, which is exactly on the equator.

I'll have to experiment with my own system, then... hmmm... an air-launch system, perhaps...

Coyote wrote:So no one wants to put in for the proposed international Extreme Lift Facility at Katangwa, which is exactly on the equator.

I'll have to experiment with my own system, then... hmmm... an air-launch system, perhaps...

It's.. kinda far away, though we might consider since... it's far away from Japanistan.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

Coyote wrote:So no one wants to put in for the proposed international Extreme Lift Facility at Katangwa, which is exactly on the equator.

I'll have to experiment with my own system, then... hmmm... an air-launch system, perhaps...

It's.. kinda far away, though we might consider since... it's far away from Japanistan.

My fleet of heavy-lift Zepps can get all kinds of equipment there.

Coyote wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

Coyote wrote:So no one wants to put in for the proposed international Extreme Lift Facility at Katangwa, which is exactly on the equator.

I'll have to experiment with my own system, then... hmmm... an air-launch system, perhaps...

It's.. kinda far away, though we might consider since... it's far away from Japanistan.

My fleet of heavy-lift Zepps can get all kinds of equipment there.

Hmm... we will think about it. I do have some personal projects outside FASTA..