Posted: 2008-07-31 08:59am
Besides Shroomania, is there anyone else who wanted to be a former colonial power?
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Actually, I thought it was the proto-Technocracy, but Shadow Republic works too, I guessShroom Man 777 wrote: I think the Shadow Republic has been... eherm, foreshadowed!
Yeah they will just hate me.PeZook wrote:Actually, I thought it was the proto-Technocracy, but Shadow Republic works too, I guessShroom Man 777 wrote: I think the Shadow Republic has been... eherm, foreshadowed!![]()
And it avoid the slight problem of my people hating Stas
In all likelihood, I was also a colonial power.Raj Ahten wrote:Besides Shroomania, is there anyone else who wanted to be a former colonial power?
Jeez... that makes Shroomania my former vassal.Shroom Man 777 wrote:I'm gonna assume that since Fingolfin is keeping Byzantium, that there was a Roman Empire that preceded it.
Thus, BEHOLD!
PALEOHISTOLOGY of the SOVEREIGNTY of SHROOMANIA I
The Ancient Times:
During the Age of Obscurity, the land of Shroomania was once known as Gaybion, and the records of antiquity show that it was also called Shroomanica by some others. The Romans would regard it as a near-mythological place – west of the Old Continent and beyond a body of water allegedly home to many a sea serpent, the Shroomish Channel.
The Romanic myths were wrong with the sea serpents, and when the Legions arrived to the land, they saw that it was no paradise, but a barbarian-infested shithole instead.
For decades, under the edict of Emperor Nero Caligula, did the Felix Legion of Shroomaximus did battle against the plaid kilt-wearing hordes of Highlanders and other indigenous people who simply did not know when they’ve been conquered. But when General Shroomaximus Decimus Meridius finally slew the Highest of the Highlanders in a manly feat of unclothed combat, it was all for naught – for when news of the General’s victory reached the Empire, the Eternal City was already on fire, and the music of Emperor Nero Caligula’s harpsichord filled the air.
The land of Gaybion was forgotten soon after the epic coronation of Emperor Nero Caligula’s horse – and so General Shroomaximus took matters into his own hands.
Not recognizing the sovereignty of the new Equine Emperor’s reign, Shroomaximus declared himself to be the Emperor of a new nation, no longer Gaybion, but Shroomania!
Thus, as the Empires of old fell, a new one was born from its ashes.
(to be continued!)
Well, I'd rather they hate you than StasDarthShady wrote: Yeah they will just hate me.![]()
But I am OK with that. We can always improve relations between our countries. Perhaps we helped you in your war for freedom against Shroomania...
I would think after the defeat of the Turks. But me as the Byzantine Empire didn't have the resources to exert any control on that region. As a result of the collapse of Turk control, they formed their own nation state.PeZook wrote:Well, I'd rather they hate you than StasDarthShady wrote: Yeah they will just hate me.![]()
But I am OK with that. We can always improve relations between our countries. Perhaps we helped you in your war for freedom against Shroomania...
Ok...so when did the Shadow Republic actually arise as a nation-state? I'm writing part II right now and I need to know that
Did that happen in the XVII century or earlier? I'll leave it vague, but I need a rough date.Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: I would think after the defeat of the Turks. But me as the Byzantine Empire didn't have the resources to exert any control on that region. As a result of the collapse of Turk control, they formed their own nation state.
PeZook, this works great. Just make up a date that suits you and I'll work of that.I would think after the defeat of the Turks. But me as the Byzantine Empire didn't have the resources to exert any control on that region. As a result of the collapse of Turk control, they formed their own nation state.
How about say sometime after 1453? The year after the failed siege of Constantinople? I'd say like ... 1550 thereabout? After a raging Turkish civil war that continued for over a century?PeZook wrote:Did that happen in the XVII century or earlier? I'll leave it vague, but I need a rough date.Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: I would think after the defeat of the Turks. But me as the Byzantine Empire didn't have the resources to exert any control on that region. As a result of the collapse of Turk control, they formed their own nation state.
Dude. We're about as former vassals as Britain was to the Holy Roman EmpireFingolfin_Noldor wrote:Jeez... that makes Shroomania my former vassal.![]()
Actually, that makes for interesting mix. We could have Emperor Justinian fighting to retake Shroomania some time in 500 AD.
The Byzantine attempt to retake Shroomania meshes well with the PeZookian War Of Independence. Just move it up to around the XII century or so, and it's an almost perfect setup!Shroom Man 777 wrote:Dude. We're about as former vassals as Britain was to the Holy Roman EmpireFingolfin_Noldor wrote:Jeez... that makes Shroomania my former vassal.![]()
Actually, that makes for interesting mix. We could have Emperor Justinian fighting to retake Shroomania some time in 500 AD.
A Hundred Years War wouldn't be bad, though. The Shroomanian Navy versus the Byzantine Armada! Or something!
History of Byzantine Empire after 1453 wrote:
The Failed Siege of Constantinople and the Aftermath
The failed Siege of Constantinople in 1453 was a disaster for the Turks. Byzantine forces, numbering tens of thousands, rallied at Constantinople. The remnants of the armies that defended Athens and Thessalonika retreated there for a last stand. The mighty walls of Constantinople, aided by the cannon batteries that defended the walls, defeated the Turks and drove them back with great loss. The Turks were forced back from Constantinople, and only 30% of the forces that Mehmed II led returned with him across the Bosphoros. That it was a disaster was an understatement; usurpers within the Turkish nobility rose up and questioned the Sultan's authority and raised their armies against him. So marked the beginning the raging Turkish Civil War. It was during that time that some of the vassal states of the Ottoman Empire rose up in revolt.
The Byzantines seized that moment to retake back all of Greece, and by the end of 1470, eastern Anatolia had returned to Byzantine control, from Nikea, Sophia to Ephesus. Retaking back all of Byzantine territory would take a century, but it was a goal that the state was determined to reach. It would take the country nearly 2 centuries to recover from the centuries of war, but taking back Anatolia, the breadbasket of the Empire, would ensure the Empire's recovery as a Great Power.
In this period, trade with Shroomania was reopened, as the Empire fought back to retake its former position as the premier trading nation in the Mediterranean. State funded companies, Constantinople Shipping and Constantinople Shipyards, was born as the State put its entire force of will behind them. The Emperor vigorously directed a revival of the Byzantine economy and the Byzantines experience a second Renaissance not seen since the beginning of the millennia.
All of Anatolia was Retaken in 1515
The Byzantine Empire, under Emperor Aeolus II retook all of Anatolia and restored the Empire to the old extent of Basil II. Some decades or so later the Shadow Republic was born on the western borders of the Empire. Emperor Aeolus II, anxious to avoid potential conflict, given the relative fragile state of the Empire, which was still attempting to consolidate its latest gains, and to rebuild the economy and military which was spent after much fighting with the remnants of the Turkish feudal lords.
In the east, the Arabs had taken advantage of the collapse of Turkish rule as well, and formed the Abassad Caliphate. They would be the chief foes of the Byzantine Empire for the next few centuries, but they themselves had wounds to lick after the bloody revolt.
The Byzantine Empire renewed its old relationship with the Russian Princes, in hope of bolstering trade. With PeZookia, there was some wheeling and dealing with the Catholic state, of which the Church of Constantinople was eager to bring the Church there under its influence, and the Byzantine Emperor eager for an ally to guard the north. The Emperor simply was pursuing the old diplomatic tactic of playing off nation against nation, hoping to reap the benefits of their rivalry. With Shroomania, the trade war continued, as both states fought over trade routes and so forth. Some degree of privateer activity occurred, though both Empires tried their best to keep things civil, albeit competitive.
Eruption of War between Shroomania and the Byzantine Empire in 1614
The Trade War finally took an ugly turn when trading vessels on both sides starting attacking each other on sight. By then, the Byzantine Empire had recovered its old strength, with a modern fleet of sailing warships and many Ships of the Line. The Imperial Byzantine Navy retaliated, leading to a sack of a Shroomanian outpost at Crete. The Emperors always regarded Crete as sovereign Byzantine territory and it burned in their hearts that a hated rival dared to take root near them. The attack was led by the Imperial Byzantine Marines who landed and assaulted the citadel, backed by a fierce artillery siege train. Days of bombardment by the fleet and the artillery batteries finally broke the fortress open and the Marines assaulted and took the citadel, raising the Byzantine flag above it.
The Shroomanian King would have none of it, and sent the Shroomanian fleet to retake the fortress. Both sides were building up their armies near the borders, waiting the right time to strike. The Second Battle of Crete involving both navies ended in a stalemate. Byzantine use of their famed Greek fire loaded into their cannon balls proved decisive, but the collapse of the eastern flank of the fleet forced the main body to reinforce the flank, giving time for the Shroomanian fleet to withdraw. Losses on both sides were even.
On land, the Imperial Byzantine Army met the invading Shroomanian Army on the borders near the Shadow Empire. Fighting was fierce, with the battles going both ways any point of time. Scorch earth tactics were employed on both sides, forcing both armies to resupply constantly to avoid overextending themselves. More naval conflicts were fought as well, with occasional Byzantine as well as Shroomanian defeats.
In the end, a truce was signed, with Shroomania agreeing to Byzantine control of Crete, with Byzantine concessions allowing Shroomanian vessels to trade directly at Constantinople with less tax than before. Previously, they were only allowed to trade at Athens. No vessel was allowed to fire upon each other, and both sides agreed to have a common court of arbitration, to arbitrate future trading disputes.
Arab wars in 1690
The Abassad Caliphate launched a massive assault on Antioch from Damasca. Numbering half a million, the massive army approached Antioch with a large siege train. Mullahs were crying Jihad against the Infidel Empire, and the masses were roused with great fervor.
Against this unholy army, the Byzantine spies had alerted the Emperor, and 100000 were marched to Antioch to defend the city. What the Arabs lacked was a strong modern navy. The Imperial Byzantine Navy routed the Arab navy, and the Imperial Byzantine Marines and Army, led by future Emperor Heraclius II, assailed Acre and Ascalon and made a daring march for Jerusalem, surrounding the city with fortifications and laid siege to the city, pounding the city walls to dust day and night.
The Arab army heading north was now in a difficult position, whereas they were mere kilometers Antioch, the threat down south, on Jerusalem, the sacred city no less, was a threat that none could ignore. Least of all the Sultan, whose religious credibility hinged on the Abassads retaining control of the city. Dividing their army, a proportion laid siege to Antioch, while 20000 marching south to relieve Jerusalem.
But it was too late, the Byzantine Prince retook Jerusalem. Alerted by scouts, the Byzantine armies laid in wait near an oasis. When the tired Arab army marched by, the ambush was sprung; the southern army was routed, and the victorious army marched for Damascus.
Meanwhile, the siege of Antioch was fierce. Byzantine artillery shelled the besieging Arab armies day and night with an endless supply of ammunition, and the morale of the Arab army ebbed due to disease, and the constant bombardment. News of the arrival of the Byzantine Army on the outskirts of Damascus sent a panic to the commanders, who tried to withdraw from the siege, only to be attacked by the besieged who launched a massive sortie to drive out the invaders. The Arabs were routed and most never made it back to the homeland. The Sultan, frightened by the loss of so much men, begged for a truce to the victorious Prince who granted it in return for annual tribute of 10000 gold per annum.
The Prince latter led a victorious Triumph through Constantinople and Jerusalem, placing the Holy Cross on the summit of Jerusalem, the first time in a millennia. The Retaking of Jerusalem marked the first time in hundreds of years that the Byzantines had stepped foot again in Jerusalem, the Holy City. The Patriarch of Jerusalem welcomed the Prince with great Joy, and the celebrations erupted across the Empire. In what gave the future Emperor Heraclius II the epithet of "Heraclius II the Just", the Prince, with the authority of the Emperor vested in him, granted the Muslims of the city pardon and amnesty, and full rights of citizenship. This event marked a new beginning for the Catholic-Islam relationship, though it did not mean that the Abassad Caliphate was about to stay silent forever.
It would be more likely the Turks then, I think.PeZook wrote:The Byzantine attempt to retake Shroomania meshes well with the PeZookian War Of Independence. Just move it up to around the XII century or so, and it's an almost perfect setup!
Guess so. But I think we should have one thread for history, and another for reference. Otherwise, there's too much to read (and scroll).Shroom Man 777 wrote:We can put it in a reference thread when we're done?