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Stas Bush wrote:

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:Counter-proposal: $750 million, six S-300PMU batteries this year. Another $750 million will be paid next year for another six batteries. I'll also be needing central surveillance radars to coordinate each packet of six batteries; will those cost extra, or are they complimentary?

A total of 12 S-300PMU-2 batteries? Sure. With the PMU-2, central radar come as a given. No other costs incurred.

Yeah, that sounds excellent. I think I'll just pay the entire $1.5 billion now and get all 12 batteries when they come.

Stas Bush wrote:

Karmic Knight wrote:This proposal?

Could work.

But please release poor lady Carlotta and her Navy. I kindly asked you to

Fine. but can I remove the heavy anti-ship ordinance and mail it to you without any incident?

Fine. but can I remove the heavy anti-ship ordinance and mail it to you without any incident?

Of course you can, if you want to. Probably there's not much to mail anyway, they expended most of the missiles.

As for artillery shells, I believe removing and mailing those would be too much of a hassle, but could be done if you will.

P.S. So what of the ~15,000 refugees pouring into Westchester? Czech?

DarthShady wrote:PeZook I should inform you that I will not hand over those Zagor War Criminals to anyone. They will get a trial In the USSR and will then be executed.

It's not much of a trial if you already know they will be executed...

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Skimmer, some questions on that new tank of yours.

1. Are you running an electrical drive so that you can power it with two engines?

It makes doing that easier, but mainly I’m powering it electrically because that’s really the only thing that makes sense for massive armored vehicles. Electric motors provide a lot more starting torque and can run at any speed without extensive gearing.

The Maus was electric for example, but no hybrid. The battery pack on JTJ-100 can move the thing 2-4km depending on terrain and amount of turret traversing (big power draw with such a heavy turret) involved. It also has an APU of about 30hp which cannot move the tank on its own, but it can charge the hybrid battery back up slowly over time… so with only the APU running you might manage 500 meters per hour or something like that. Mainly it just powers the turret and sensors when occupying a static position.


Two engines isn’t my idea BTW, the Swedish S-Tank actually had a 290bhp V-6 diesel engine and a 490hp gas turbine geared together via two torque converters into a single automatic transmission. Later units upgraded to a 290hp and 490hp respectively. Either engine could start and drive the tank alone, or both could provide maximum performance together. Going electric is a bit heavier but that’s not really an issue.

2. So essentially your new... Land Dominance vehicle is a moving artillery piece/tank?

It is a heavy breakthrough tank meant to engage infantry and defensive positions more so then enemy armor. It is not a main battle tank like the JTJ-99 (real life China Type 99) However it can and will totally destroy anything it aims at. The barrel is only 40 calibers it can still fire sabot with equal or better performance to a 140mm weapon thanks to the higher caliber. A wide range of exploding shells types will be introduced over the next few months as each is certified, also at least one payload shell which can disperse DPICM, leaftlets and even nerve gas right into the heart of an enemy position. Right now since its still a prototype only sabot and HE-FRAG are being employed.

3. Is that post public or secret?

Public, I said I’d brought in foreign media as witnesses. However the radar was kept concealed, and no mention was made at all of the active protection and electronic countermeasures systems the production models will eventually be fitted with. Those features are still in development and will equip other vehicles as well. Japanistan is also working on electro thermal cannons which may eventually arm this or other vehicles. In real like ETCs already work, but they just need some period of refinement.

4. The K-2 Black Panther I employ apparently has a milliband radar system that can be used to target helicopters. Is that similar to what you have on that behemoth?

Its pretty similar, although unlike K-2 I intend to use a separate radar to cue my active protection system.

*snipped because Stas is a fuckwit*

PeZook wrote:

DarthShady wrote:PeZook I should inform you that I will not hand over those Zagor War Criminals to anyone. They will get a trial In the USSR and will then be executed.

It's not much of a trial if you already know they will be executed...

Well bastards like them deserve nothing better. But if you want me to be nice to them, I'll send them over to PeZookia and you can be the judge. The only condition will be that those found guilty will face USSR jails and Firing Squads. Deal?

Also: I have a feeling that Mr. Muszynski will be a hated man in the USSR because of his statements.

I'd like to remind San Dorado that their "F-111XL" is less capable than the B-58J and is likely to cost more (supercriuse at mach 1.5? please, I'm doing almost a whole mach number faster (mach 2.5).

You are also a Principality with twice the budget.

Talwar class has been added to the "Frigates" armory section.

Also, check this out. The Salvo counter for AShMs (so far only for ships and subs). This particular count is for the current fleet I have in the PRSF.

Salvo counter

EDIT: upgraded with the easy-to-manage SAM counter as well

MariusRoi wrote:I'd like to remind San Dorado that their "F-111XL" is less capable than the B-58J and is likely to cost more (supercriuse at mach 1.5? please, I'm doing almost a whole mach number faster (mach 2.5).

I thought the B-58 could only supercruise at Mach 2 for something like 30 minutes whilst using its afterburner? Is my data off or have you modified your Hustlers?

And how is my plan going to cost more? If it is, I might consider buying new bombers from anyone, it's just that I have a hard time seeing how modifying existing planes is going to be more expensive than buying (let alone designing and building) all-new ones.

Supercruise by definition means you are not using reheat, people. The fastest supercruise ever obtained to date was Mach 2.04 by the Concorde, which had reheat but did not require it to sustain that speed; it was just used to boost up to that speed due to the fact that spending a long time in a high-drag transonic flight regimen wasted more fuel than using reheat.

SiegeTank wrote:

MariusRoi wrote:I'd like to remind San Dorado that their "F-111XL" is less capable than the B-58J and is likely to cost more (supercriuse at mach 1.5? please, I'm doing almost a whole mach number faster (mach 2.5).

I thought the B-58 could only supercruise at Mach 2 for something like 30 minutes whilst using its afterburner? Is my data off or have you modified your Hustlers?

And how is my plan going to cost more? If it is, I might consider buying new bombers from anyone, it's just that I have a hard time seeing how modifying existing planes is going to be more expensive than buying (let alone designing and building) all-new ones.

The real B-58 could never supercruise, it needed afterburners for supersonic speeds. The modified J79 engines were rated for up to 2 hours on afterburner (most engines are only meant to sustain a few minutes at a time) but on a typical mission fuel consumption would only allow the plane 20-30 minutes of burner.

With new engines you could make a B-58 truly supercruise on dry thrust, but you only going to reach mach 2.5 with something like four F119 class engines if not even more and that is not even remotely cheap. The B-58 overall cannot help but be more expensive then an F-111 given that it has four instead of two engines and is 75% heavier. When it was new the B-58 was very expensive, about 12 million dollars at a time when an F-4 Phantom (worlds most expensive fighter) was 3.5 million. The far larger B-52 meanwhile was around 15 million, which gives a good idea of why B-58 was canceled.

B-58 also has to carry its weapons in that external pod thing which is just really freaking annoying in terms of finding a way to hand a worthwhile conventional payload off the plane. The F-111 isn’t that much better off with its 4,000lb capacity internal bomb bay, but since it’s smaller and cheaper one ought to expect less from it. Maximum payload actually favors the F-111 as well, but at tremendous cost in flight performance.

Just because I have it handy, made it myself, here are the maximum take off weights of various bombers and attack planes, including several unbuilt projects since 1945.

600,000lb MTOW Bomber (Tu-160 606klb)
485,000lb MTOW Bomber (B-52H 488klb)
475,000lb MTOW Bomber (B-1B 477klb)
415,000lb MTOW Bomber (Tu-95MS 414klb)
385,000lb MTOW Bomber (T-4MS 379klb, B-1A 390klb)
375,000lb MTOW Bomber (B-2 376klb)
275,000lb MTOW Bomber (Tu-22M 277klb)
230,000lb MTOW Bomber (B-47E 230klb)
190,000lb MTOW Bomber (T-60S 188klb?)
175,000lb MTOW Bomber (B-58 177klb, Tu-16 174klb)
140,000lb MTOW Bomber (FB-111H, increased to 156klb by inflight refueling)
130,000lb MTOW Bomber (T-54 134klb)
115,000lb MTOW Bomber (FB-111 114klb, T-6BM 120klb)
100,000lb MTOW Bomber (Su-34 99klb, Su-24MK 96klb, F-111F 100klb, TSR-2 102klb)
85,000lb MTOW Bomber (F-15E 86klb)
75,000lb MTOW Bomber (Mirage IV 73klb)
60,000lb MTOW Bomber (Tornado GR.4 61klb, A-6E 61klb, Buccaneer 62klb)

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Supercruise by definition means you are not using reheat, people.

Right, I knew that .

Thanks for the data by the way, Skimmer. Seems that for now I'll stick with the F-111 upgrade; it's got the added advantage of being built in-house, so the order will keep my megacorps happy.

Glorious SNC comrades, I believe this meeting is long overdue.

So do I. But I won't be online till tomorrow.

Say Stas, maybe you should hardwire some sense of smell to the robot, then put some kind of smell on your men so that they will go hunt for any foreign smells like dogs and shoot them.

Stas Bush wrote:So do I. But I won't be online till tomorrow.

Tomorrow it is.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Say Stas, maybe you should hardwire some sense of smell to the robot, then put some kind of smell on your men so that they will go hunt for any foreign smells like dogs and shoot them.

Would that actually work?

I want me some Cyborgs.

DarthShady wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Say Stas, maybe you should hardwire some sense of smell to the robot, then put some kind of smell on your men so that they will go hunt for any foreign smells like dogs and shoot them.

Would that actually work?

I want me some Cyborgs.

Dog servitors with guns.

Say Stas, maybe you should hardwire some sense of smell to the robot

As far as I understand, hardwiring smell sensors is so far beyond modern science, unlike motion and vision sensors.

Stas Bush wrote:

Say Stas, maybe you should hardwire some sense of smell to the robot

As far as I understand, hardwiring smell sensors is so far beyond modern science, unlike motion and vision sensors.

Actually, somewhat possible, but very selective.

This paper, which I just dug up, seems to talk a little about it: http://www.springerlink.com/content/wp3 ... pdf?page=1

The only trouble could be the range.

Ah well, I guess it might be possible to graft a dog to this... albeit very hedious.

How public is that dogbot project of yours, Stas?

So... how do you keep the brains alive?

For the Record my B-58Js are bassed off of the TBO B-58F (only with a glass cockpit):

Convair RB-58F Hustler,

The new-generation version of the RB-58, the RB-58F was powered by four non-afterburning Pratt & Whitney J58 turbojets rated at 23,000 pounds of thrust giving the aircraft the ability to cruise at supersonic speeds. The wing platform was changed with the leading edge inboard of the two inboard engines being extended forward to give a double-delta. The tail gun was replaced by a 30mm cannon.

Specification of Convair RB-58F Hustler

Powerplants: Four Pratt and Whitney J58-PW-20 axial flow turbojets, each rated at 23,000 lb.s.t. normal power, 25,600 lb.s.t. military power. Performance: Maximum speed: Mach 2.8 at 60,000 feet, Mach 0.99 at sea level. Cruising speed 1,620 knots. Takeoff ground roll 5250 feet at 195,000 pounds. Landing ground roll 3115 feet at 68,100 pounds. Maximum initial climb rate 45,550 feet per minute at sea level. An altitude of 30,000 feet could be attained in 6.1 minutes. Normal cruise altitude 65,450 feet. Target area altitude was 75,200 feet. Combat ceiling 78,400 feet. Maximum ferry range 5200 nautical miles. Weights: 63,150 pounds empty (without pod). Maximum gross weight 216,890 pounds (in flight). 69,100 pounds landing weight. Dimensions: Wingspan 58 feet 9.9 inches, length 110 feet, height 31 feet 2 inches, wing area 1564.69 square feet. Armament: One General Electric M-61 remotely-controlled cannon in tail with 1200 rounds. Offensive weapons consisted of up to 12 Conventional air-to-air and air-to-surface missiles.

The Airframe is streached relative to the @ B-58

So... how do you keep the brains alive?

Like the real life rat-brain cell robot.

We feed them every couple of days, a pink liquid with nutrients not too dissimilar to what the Olympians might drink for energy," Warwick said in a phone interview. "It keeps the neurons alive and allows them to grow.

...one of the chips sits on top of a small metal cylinder, a patented sealed incubator system that contains the control circuits of the device: live rat brain cells. The system will keep the neurons alive for up to two years, while other circuits connect them to the electronics of the robot.

So the tiny brain requires feed (which is sealed within the armored corpus and auto-injected, say for a few months of autonomy), and then it has to be replaced. In 2 years, the robot undergoes overhaul and it's brain is replaced with a new one.

Then the robot is re-assigned to a training polygon for re-training, since the new brain is basically blank and so far knows nothing, has to be trained.

How public is that dogbot project of yours, Stas?

Confidential so far. I know it, Shroom knows it - as well as some bionics specialists in Shroomania and CSR.