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Rogue 9 wrote:An Imperial propaganda broadcast early on said that some planet or other fell under the Base Delta Zero initiative for it's own benefit, which makes no sense, because if you're trying to cover up the fact you're glassing planets, the last thing you're going to do is make the command code for doing it public knowledge even in the context of lying about what it actually is.
yeah it's likely that there's more to it then sending the message "excute Base Delta Zero" to the ship captain in question.Typhonis 1 wrote:Rogue 9 wrote:An Imperial propaganda broadcast early on said that some planet or other fell under the Base Delta Zero initiative for it's own benefit, which makes no sense, because if you're trying to cover up the fact you're glassing planets, the last thing you're going to do is make the command code for doing it public knowledge even in the context of lying about what it actually is.
I doubt Base Delta Zero is the actual command code to carry out that kind of mission. More than likely it's the code term used for the mission itself because I do not see it being carried out without the same protocols we would use to have a ballistic missile submarine launch it's birds at their assigned targets.
In other words. Yes it is a Code Base Delta Zero , that term never changes. However You need command authorization codes. The ones that unlock the firing keys , to execute it. A random message sent through the secure line backdoor emergency channel will be looked at. No authentication or authorization codes by someone OTHER than the captain of the ship? Not happening.
We did see ATATs increase firepower on Hoth so the same protocols may exist for starships.Lord Revan wrote:[
yeah it's likely that there's more to it then sending the message "excute Base Delta Zero" to the ship captain in question.
It should be noted that in Legendaries Base Delta Zero as was done by just cranking the weapons to Max yield without any special equipment and as far as I can tell it's not been decribed in current canon. That said it's not unlikely that imperial weapons might have failsafes to prevent them from "acccidently" targeting planets with full power shots. so cranking a turbolaser to max and targeting a planet might cause a targeting error and the gun might not fire, this is speculation of course but it would make sense, unless you want to think that empire would kill its own citizens and destroy its infrastructure because of "evulz". if such failsafes exist then the "Base Delta Zero" protocol would probably bypass those failsafes.
True though the "protocol" at Hoth consisteted of Veer saying "target. Maximium firepower!". I suspect that the Starship targeting protocols are a bit more complex so that a captain won't end flattening a city when all he wanted to do was support the ground forces with orbital fire, unless you want to argue that turbolasers are so weak that dropping a rock from orbit would do more damage then a turbolaser bolt.Typhonis 1 wrote:We did see ATATs increase firepower on Hoth so the same protocols may exist for starships.Lord Revan wrote:[
yeah it's likely that there's more to it then sending the message "excute Base Delta Zero" to the ship captain in question.
It should be noted that in Legendaries Base Delta Zero as was done by just cranking the weapons to Max yield without any special equipment and as far as I can tell it's not been decribed in current canon. That said it's not unlikely that imperial weapons might have failsafes to prevent them from "acccidently" targeting planets with full power shots. so cranking a turbolaser to max and targeting a planet might cause a targeting error and the gun might not fire, this is speculation of course but it would make sense, unless you want to think that empire would kill its own citizens and destroy its infrastructure because of "evulz". if such failsafes exist then the "Base Delta Zero" protocol would probably bypass those failsafes.
note that I said "accident" as in it's just as much an accident as when an officer hated by his men dies of friendly fire as in it's not an accident at all. Possibly starting World War 3 is only part of the reason why there's precise protocols to follow when dealing with nukes, other is limiting the amount of power a single person can have.Purple wrote:If your starship captains and crews are stupid enough to make such a mistake that indicates a serious failing in your selection and training procedures as well as the lack of a "check power setting" step in the aiming procedure. And frankly that indicates to problems much worse than loosing a city or two.
Having finally watched that trailer, I do think that is Ventress as the bounty hunter - or at least somebody very close in body posture and movement. The voice sounded different due to the helmet I think.FaxModem1 wrote:Was that Asajj Ventress as the bounty hunter? It would be very interesting if she became a part of the Rebel Alliance.
I just rewatched Rise of the Old Masters. The broadcast was interrupted by Gall Trayvis' first shown transmission, and when the normal Imperial broadcast cuts back in, all we hear is, "another successful planetary liberation, utilizing the Base Delta Zero initiative." They shut off the broadcast after that, so that's all we know about Base Delta Zero in the new canon to my knowledge.Typhonis 1 wrote:Rogue 9 wrote:An Imperial propaganda broadcast early on said that some planet or other fell under the Base Delta Zero initiative for it's own benefit, which makes no sense, because if you're trying to cover up the fact you're glassing planets, the last thing you're going to do is make the command code for doing it public knowledge even in the context of lying about what it actually is.
I doubt Base Delta Zero is the actual command code to carry out that kind of mission. More than likely it's the code term used for the mission itself because I do not see it being carried out without the same protocols we would use to have a ballistic missile submarine launch it's birds at their assigned targets.
In other words. Yes it is a Code Base Delta Zero , that term never changes. However You need command authorization codes. The ones that unlock the firing keys , to execute it. A random message sent through the secure line backdoor emergency channel will be looked at. No authentication or authorization codes by someone OTHER than the captain of the ship? Not happening.
That's because they are.Lord Revan wrote:True though the "protocol" at Hoth consisteted of Veer saying "target. Maximium firepower!". I suspect that the Starship targeting protocols are a bit more complex so that a captain won't end flattening a city when all he wanted to do was support the ground forces with orbital fire, unless you want to argue that turbolasers are so weak that dropping a rock from orbit would do more damage then a turbolaser bolt.Typhonis 1 wrote:We did see ATATs increase firepower on Hoth so the same protocols may exist for starships.Lord Revan wrote:[
yeah it's likely that there's more to it then sending the message "excute Base Delta Zero" to the ship captain in question.
It should be noted that in Legendaries Base Delta Zero as was done by just cranking the weapons to Max yield without any special equipment and as far as I can tell it's not been decribed in current canon. That said it's not unlikely that imperial weapons might have failsafes to prevent them from "acccidently" targeting planets with full power shots. so cranking a turbolaser to max and targeting a planet might cause a targeting error and the gun might not fire, this is speculation of course but it would make sense, unless you want to think that empire would kill its own citizens and destroy its infrastructure because of "evulz". if such failsafes exist then the "Base Delta Zero" protocol would probably bypass those failsafes.
Veers was however the overall ground commander. He would have the discretion to do whatever he wanted in that regard within reason.Lord Revan wrote:True though the "protocol" at Hoth consisteted of Veer saying "target. Maximium firepower!". I suspect that the Starship targeting protocols are a bit more complex so that a captain won't end flattening a city when all he wanted to do was support the ground forces with orbital fire, unless you want to argue that turbolasers are so weak that dropping a rock from orbit would do more damage then a turbolaser bolt.
Emphasis mine, Hoth had no infrastructure or resources that Empire wanted to absolutely preserve (sure capturing rebel hardware, especially things like computers or com equipment would be nice but you wouldn't screw yourself over if you didn't capture any). So Veers has more or less a free playing ground, how ever a stardestroyer captain wouldn't normally be so lucky when supporting ground forces and I think we can both agree that flattening a city without a good reason to do so isn't reasonble.Adamskywalker007 wrote:Veers was however the overall ground commander. He would have the discretion to do whatever he wanted in that regard within reason.Lord Revan wrote:True though the "protocol" at Hoth consisteted of Veer saying "target. Maximium firepower!". I suspect that the Starship targeting protocols are a bit more complex so that a captain won't end flattening a city when all he wanted to do was support the ground forces with orbital fire, unless you want to argue that turbolasers are so weak that dropping a rock from orbit would do more damage then a turbolaser bolt.
SpoilerRogue 9 wrote:Well, that was a thing. Spoiler
I feel like it was going to be, but then the probe droid interrupted them because that was a more immediate issue.Rogue 9 wrote:Well, that was a thing. Spoiler
I have said the same thing repeatedly. Why is this in spoilers? Doesn't everyone already know what occurred at the end of Clone Wars? Or is it because revealing what it was would spoil that it would appear again. Anyway. SpoilerThanas wrote:Anybody else thinking the Spoiler
I would have written it differently - basically, portray the clones as needing constant training to reinforce the indoctrination they received, and the clones that survived many battles, (especially in the more distant theaters), not having access to said reinforcement trainings, thus becoming more independent. These soldiers would not exhibit any problem taking and following normal orders, but something as strongly in contrast with all their prior battles, as Order 66, would give them pause, before blindly following it...Batman wrote:So Rex and the others removed their control chips...but they're the only ones amongst the unspecified but presumably large number of clones to do so?
This doesn't work with the movies or TCW. They should've left it at ordinary brainwashing. Some individuals being able to shake that makes sense.
that's kind of how it was in the legendaries, while I don't think there was an example of clones outright refusing to execute Order 66, there's at least 1 example of clones going "maybe we should check this before act because it makes no sense!" and saving a group of Jedi because they thought that the other clones were acting hasty.biostem wrote:These soldiers would not exhibit any problem taking and following normal orders, but something as strongly in contrast with all their prior battles, as Order 66, would give them pause, before blindly following it...
Only ones that Ahsoka(and us as the audience) know of. For all we know, Rex's buddies were the last of the Clone troopers that were even around to get the operation. Maybe a majority of the clones believed that Fives was just off his rocker and that having voluntary brain surgery is something you would only do if you were already crazy.Batman wrote:So Rex and the others removed their control chips...but they're the only ones amongst the unspecified but presumably large number of clones to do so?
This doesn't work with the movies or TCW. They should've left it at ordinary brainwashing. Some individuals being able to shake that makes sense.
That wouldn't have fit the fact that every Clone absolutely carried out the order without hesitation. Even Cody, who was otherwise equivalent to Rex in his level of independence. Frankly having heroic clones was the problem in the first place. The whole point of the final scene of AOTC was that the clones would become the Empire and serve it loyally. Not that they would break free and join the Rebellion.Batman wrote:So Rex and the others removed their control chips...but they're the only ones amongst the unspecified but presumably large number of clones to do so?
This doesn't work with the movies or TCW. They should've left it at ordinary brainwashing. Some individuals being able to shake that makes sense.
That was an outright refusal. Vader even executed the squad responsible himself. Said soldiers were also clone commandos who in the legendaries were were generally stated to be more independent, with less genetic modification to make them obedient.Lord Revan wrote:that's kind of how it was in the legendaries, while I don't think there was an example of clones outright refusing to execute Order 66, there's at least 1 example of clones going "maybe we should check this before act because it makes no sense!" and saving a group of Jedi because they thought that the other clones were acting hasty.