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Man, it seems like I've set up shop in and around a very high-demand area. Let's sort some stuff out, then...

Thanas wrote:Better talk to Bluewolf and me for that, for he owns the place and I have basing rights there.

Well, Bluewolf just said I could have Zhuhai, so that's that, I suppose. You'll still have your basing rights there, don't worry.

Thanas wrote:My claims for the rest of Klavostan:

As for my claims:
- Brunei (5765)
- Sabah (786511)

Brunei and Sabah have already been claimed by me. If you want territory in Borneo, though, I'm perfectly willing to give you at least one of the Kalimantan provinces (would South Kalimantan suffice?).

Stas Bush wrote:Zor, does it make sense for your Japan to attack Russia over a port leased from Beowulf? And I'd love to ask the same of the mods, because that's what Beowulf proposed instead of a Russo-Manchurian war in the early 1900s, and frankly to me it makes no sense other than just trying to avoid a pre-written conflict with Russia or something.

Is it not the prerogative of the state creator to decide with which states a nation be hostile and with which it be friendly? Especially if it has conflicting territorial claims? I want to clear this question, because I don't like pre-written treaties, port leases or such stuff either, since that makes it as if the Russian Empire politicially accepted the Manchurian claims of Beowulf.

Alright.

Zor

Well, alright.

I can deal with the less valuable province. I'll take it and claim the following with the remaining space left:

Sumba 11523
Nusa Penida (?, but very small)
Sumbawa 15488
Lombok 4725
Alor 2800

I have someone who wants to join as Chile? Would that be acceptable? I know Chile + Argentina is sort of taken but the more the merrier eh?

Raj Ahten wrote:Trying to figure this out; is it Britain that has claimed the Falklands on the map?

No

Norseman wrote:I have someone who wants to join as Chile? Would that be acceptable? I know Chile + Argentina is sort of taken but the more the merrier eh?

He'd have to ask Raj. We're kinda getting filled on PCs ATM, even with Klavo out.

Oh, and Shady, you have that strip of northern Tanganyika, remember?

Dunno who has Zanzibar, though frankly I think it'd be logical for Bean to have it as part of Britain's web of ports and naval bases worldwide.

isn't it possible that with so many players involved, threads might develop faster then some can respond?

Setzer wrote:isn't it possible that with so many players involved, threads might develop faster then some can respond?

There's no jet bombers and nukes. The fastest transport is by train. Because of the colonial nature of most powers it takes weeks to respond anyway. So no I don't see speed being an issue unless you post once a week. And if you do. Try not to piss anyone off..

Norade wrote:The map shows some other color holding Cameroon after I had already claimed it, I also still don't see French Guyana as Portuguese on the map. Seeing as I should have colony room I would also like to put in a claim on Tanzania as it appears unclaimed and was part of an earlier territory claim of mine as well. Lastly I am claiming Costa Rica.

Portugal's Homelands Territorial Claims
Portugal, and Outlaying Islands

Portugal's Colonial Territorial Claims
Costa Rica
French Guyana
Nigeria
Cameroon

Norade, I sent you a PM concerning Costa Rica so headsup.

Master_Baerne wrote:

Norade wrote:Also are the islands off the coast of France in the Mediterranean claimed? Because if they aren't I would like to claim them.

I was counting them as part of France, and I;d rather prefer them to stay that way.

Are you guys referring to the Balearic Islands? I had them in my initial claim for Spain starting out, doesn't seem like they've been colored in yet, though.

My original Claims for reference, page Eighteen, lower posts:

Minister of Pigeonry wrote:Country-wise I’m looking to claim Spain and a few overseas territories including Spanish Morocco, Western (Spanish) Sahara, the Canary Islands, the Balearic Iles in the Med, Spanish Guinea in Africa and Uruguay.

A disclaimer: The World Map shows general positions, it is not an entirely accurate beast.

*grumbles while trying to fix Polish-German frontier*

I think we'll be using regional maps for this game as well as the general overall world map.

Okay, for Borneo I see claims by Shinn and Thanas, with Zor via PM wanting some naval bases.

Mr Bean wrote:

Raj Ahten wrote:Trying to figure this out; is it Britain that has claimed the Falklands on the map?

No

Thanks. Does anyone else have it then? It's sort of a pinkish red at the moment. I've got my eyes set on it.

Shinn, I know you're letting Thanas have a piece of Borneo, but what was your response to the idea of Japan claiming a naval base, perhaps on the northern end not far from modern Sabah?

Steve wrote:Shinn, I know you're letting Thanas have a piece of Borneo, but what was your response to the idea of Japan claiming a naval base, perhaps on the northern end not far from modern Sabah?

Japan will not have any bases on SAU territory, at least not at the start of the game. If things go well, though, maybe the Japanese can receive basing rights in Sabah in the near future.

So basically you're saying the SAU owned the rest of Borneo from the start or that it took it from the Dutch during the fall of the DEI, perhaps in a period when Japan wasn't looking to expand?


Also, I notice East Timor is still open. I'm inclined to give it to Portugal for the moment but if anyone would like to claim it it's open.

Steve wrote:So basically you're saying the SAU owned the rest of Borneo from the start or that it took it from the Dutch during the fall of the DEI, perhaps in a period when Japan wasn't looking to expand?

Considering the rather tenuous hold the Dutch had over all of Indonesia throughout the 19th century, a Philippine/SAU takeover of the entirety of Borneo during the fall of the Dutch East Indies sounds perfectly plausible. All I need to know is exactly when the Dutch decided to bug out of the area first before I go around rewriting my history.

Steve wrote:So basically you're saying the SAU owned the rest of Borneo from the start or that it took it from the Dutch during the fall of the DEI, perhaps in a period when Japan wasn't looking to expand?

Speaking of the fall of the DEI, I want to set that at about 1880, coinciding with the Netherlands losing to Dutch Trade Unionists and Belgian supporters.

Karmic Knight wrote:

Steve wrote:So basically you're saying the SAU owned the rest of Borneo from the start or that it took it from the Dutch during the fall of the DEI, perhaps in a period when Japan wasn't looking to expand?

Speaking of the fall of the DEI, I want to set that at about 1880, coinciding with the Netherlands losing to Dutch Trade Unionists and Belgian supporters.

Hrm, i suppose an ambitious Cascadia could've quickly snatched Sulawesi and the North Moluccas in the chaos, perhaps the beginning of Cascadia's direct imperial ambitions on Asia aside form just maintaining its hold on Australia and setting the stage for the coming colonial dispute with Germany (which has been solved, I'll add).

Anyway, I know someone claimed Vanuatu but I don't remember, also, Wallis & Futuna, Tonga, and Tuvalu are all unclaimed, as are various atolls the US and British claimed and still hold (though some of the Brit ones went to New Zealand). I'm thinking I hold Palmyra, Johnson, and a couple others along the path from Hawaii to Australia.

Since the world has been pretty well gerrymandered at this point, would it be prudent for us to get a history thread going so we can get the general thrust of how history is altered and where the world stands as of 1925? We still have things to work out like what the analogue (if there is one) for WWI will be and the complex relations that Europe always has.

Dark Hellion wrote:Since the world has been pretty well gerrymandered at this point, would it be prudent for us to get a history thread going so we can get the general thrust of how history is altered and where the world stands as of 1925? We still have things to work out like what the analogue (if there is one) for WWI will be and the complex relations that Europe always has.

Hrm, perhaps.

I'm just slowly going mad right now anyway from trying to remember some of the claims. Vanuatu, for instance.

Ok, if Bean hasn't claimed them yet, I'm making sure that I get:
Prince Edward Islands (part of South Africa in @)
Tristan da Cunha
South Georgia, and the South Sandwich Islands

Just putting it out there that I intend to occupy all the islands that Argentina and Chile have now along with the aforementioned Falklands.

Raj Ahten wrote:Just putting it out there that I intend to occupy all the islands that Argentina and Chile have now along with the aforementioned Falklands.

That's fine, because all of the islands I have listed there are currently owned by South Africa or the UK.

MariusRoi wrote:

Raj Ahten wrote:Just putting it out there that I intend to occupy all the islands that Argentina and Chile have now along with the aforementioned Falklands.

That's fine, because all of the islands I have listed there are currently owned by South Africa or the UK.

Well, yes. Your post simply reminded me to put my claims in writing.

Just to make sure I've got it right, a list of PCs and what they have:

Me = Cascadia
Rogue = USA
Shroom = California
Wilkens = Mexico
Ryan Thunder = Gran Colombia
Bean = Britain
Fingolfin = Byzantium
Stas = USSR
Thanas = Greater German Empire
Setzer = Congo
Ma Deuce = Madagascar
Shep = Shepistan
Lonestar = Grand Dominion
Bluewolf = China
Beowulf = Korchuria
Zor = Japan
Siege = Egyptian Sultanate
Langley = Southeast Asian Union
Karmic = Benelux
Baerne = France
Slacker = Poland
Shady = Balkan Empire
Andrew/Mahan = Scandanavia
Doomriser = Peru-Bolivia
Raj Ahten = Chilè-Argentina
Pigeonry = Spain
Raesene = Tuscany
Portugal = Norade
Dark Hellion = Angola
Agent Scorchus = Central Africa (Sudan, Cameroon, Chad)