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Differentiate? how? by fighters or speed? cant do it by guns, done that already.

Cabwi Desco wrote:Differentiate? how? by fighters or speed? cant do it by guns, done that already.

Ok, you have two classes. They have identical point values, fighter complements, speeds, etc. only difference is the number of guns they have. Why do you have two? Does one classes have a greater emphasis on missiles than the other? Does one have greater emphasis on offense to defense? Is one designed to be a carrier? Is one just plain faster than the other?

And what you call something will influence how other people treat it. A battlecruiser emphasizes speed over armor, for example. A frigate is a really small ship.

OK, here's how the classes work, roughly. This is organized largest to smallest class (more or less, for instance, a Fleet Carrier could be as large as a Superdreadnought or as small as a BB), top to bottom. This is a rough guide only.

Capital:
Superdreadnought
Superweapon Platform
Fleet Carrier
Dreadnought
Battleship

Battlecruiser (Can be a weak capship or a powerful cruiser)

Cruiser:
Heavy Cruiser
Light Carrier

Light Cruiser (Can be a weak cruiser or strong escort)

Escort:
Destroyer
Escort Carrier
Frigate
Corvette

Thirdfain, could ya check your inbox?

Cabwi Desco, I wonder if you'll drop restrictions when I bring The Galactic over for a friendly vist

Hmm...and chance of a map update so we can see where Cabwi is? Hard to respond if we don't know if we're neighbors or not.

I have now joined the game. ph34r my pathetic husk of a formerly powerful nation!

I'm not exactly understanding, how are you gonna make me drop all diplomatic envoy restrictions with the Galactic?

Thirdfain/Beowulf... Thanks again.

White Haven wrote:Hmm...and chance of a map update so we can see where Cabwi is? Hard to respond if we don't know if we're neighbors or not.

Well, all I know is that I'm on the East side...

okay differentiated... i think. if not i have NO idea what you mean.

check v2.0

Lemme be blunt. What the holy bejesus is 'Of various types' supposed to communicate. Missiles? Beams? Railguns? Other? Rough ratios of missile/beam armament? DETAIL, dammit.

White Haven wrote:Lemme be blunt. What the holy bejesus is 'Of various types' supposed to communicate. Missiles? Beams? Railguns? Other? Rough ratios of missile/beam armament? DETAIL, dammit.

v 3.0 up... Better now White Haven?

Hmm, your superdreadnaught is 2 points and has over 1,000 weapons, mine is 8 points and has a little over 100. Who's in the wrong here?

Nobody, really. There's an enormous variation in weapons and weapon powers, so exact numbers don't really matter, aside from how you write the ships when they engage in combat.

Death by 1000 pinpricks...

They could be point-defense batteries. The CSDF flagship Sonoma has a lot of PD batteries which are practically useless for offense.

But he described them as heavy quad turbolasers... Must be a relic from 25,000 years ago. The weapons are only useful as point-defense at our tech level.

1000 weapon systems yes... well the way i saw it is this. you have one ship with 8 HUGE friggen cannons (visible in side view) on that size comparison chart (where is the blasted thing?..). then you have mine with star wars scale 1000 cannons like an SSD. and the point values thing... im still a little hazy on that. the way you seem to want is for me to bastardize my ship for something you think is 'proper'... Heres my compensation, 50% off trade taxes to all star systems willing to allow my thousand weapons on a 13km platform ship. Then again this is just Thirdfains call, not yours.

Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba wrote:But he described them as heavy quad turbolasers... Must be a relic from 25,000 years ago. The weapons are only useful as point-defense at our tech level.

your "Tech Level?" WTF?! i thought we were all of even footing for tech level... apparently the minor powers are just supposed to be there for show right? no real power in the minor territories? gah that sickens me.

and theres no way they could be 25000 years old when the civilization came from an Imperial type (empire pre-rebellion era) system 1000 years ago and essentialy developed thech from that period tech. even then the galaxy is at technical stagnation. from that it is possible for a technically advanced society (empire science colony) to be able to produce SSDs in 1000 years.


Seriously though all i ask for is one Superdreadnaught to put me on even footing. Becuase honestly it doesnt make sense otherwise to have a minor power becuase the major or even regionals could crush it!

Star Wars is rather weaker than the stuff being thrown around, but...

Hey. If you want a 2 point SuperDread with a thousand guns, your choice. Unfortunately, a 5 point Battleship with seventy or so will do rather unpleasant things to you.

SirNitram wrote:Star Wars is rather weaker than the stuff being thrown around, but...

Hey. If you want a 2 point SuperDread with a thousand guns, your choice. Unfortunately, a 5 point Battleship with seventy or so will do rather unpleasant things to you.

see this is what im saying WTF! how in the blasted hell can you expect a fun game when everybody has their own supposed tech level and is trying to uber wank everyone elses!

hell i could make up some such shit like oh a Plasmatic Rail Cannon with EMP shells rendering shields obsolete! come on! or even better a ship with one gun, a single fusion transplaster that does lets say 4 points worth of damage against a 5 point ship? oh and guess what... its rapid fire!!!!11oneeleven!exclamationpoint

listen if my super dreads worth more than 2points i can have practically nothing else IM A MINOR POWER DAMNIT! i mean this is just plain ridiculous, what are all your ships pulsar stations or somethin?


calm down william, its all right, breathe in, breathe out.... Better.

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Cabwi Desco wrote:

SirNitram wrote:Star Wars is rather weaker than the stuff being thrown around, but...

Hey. If you want a 2 point SuperDread with a thousand guns, your choice. Unfortunately, a 5 point Battleship with seventy or so will do rather unpleasant things to you.

see this is what im saying WTF! how in the blasted hell can you expect a fun game when everybody has their own supposed tech level and is trying to uber wank everyone elses!

There is one general tech level, but the more points you dump into groups, you can get away with greater badassity(A 5 point Battleship likely has superior shielding tech, etc, than a 2 point version.).

hell i could make up some such shit like oh a Plasmatic Rail Cannon with EMP shells rendering shields obsolete! come on! or even better a ship with one gun, a single fusion transplaster that does lets say 4 points worth of damage against a 5 point ship? oh and guess what... its rapid fire!!!!11oneeleven!exclamationpoint

Very good, you've shown you can type like a crackbaby. Are you even trying to learn the rules?

listen if my super dreads worth more than 2points i can have practically nothing else IM A MINOR POWER DAMNIT! i mean this is just plain ridiculous, what are all your ships pulsar stations or somethin?

My ships are ridiculously(No, seriously, they're way bigger than they should be) huge battle wagons studded with weaponry from the Cultureverse. Being a Grand Power means I can step on, say, the Sixth, and there'd be this little sound of a squeakie-toy deflating.

Maybe you shouldn't expect a Minor Power's heavy warships to be as lethal as a Grand's? I dunno.

oh and one last thing, how many of those battleships would you have. becuase i would have at most three. understand my problem now?

and why is star wars tech so old comparatively to what you made up. and if thats how we're playing then heres my solution. my empire is not the empire remembered, it is the empire with ships the EQV of some of those uberwank shows out there.

bah it doesnt matter. this whole thing is SO one sided. Minors bite the dust early or kill each other in the first couple pages while the major and grands have all the fun. I do two uberwank ships and everyone else has like 50, GAB...

Cabwi Desco wrote:oh and one last thing, how many of those battleships would you have. becuase i would have at most three. understand my problem now?

Nine Psychopaths, more under construction. Yes, the 'problem' is that a Regional Power is smaller than a Grand.

and why is star wars tech so old comparatively to what you made up. and if thats how we're playing then heres my solution. my empire is not the empire remembered, it is the empire with ships the EQV of some of those uberwank shows out there.

Because there's a story to the universe we're playing in, and if you'd bothered to acquaint yourself with it, you'd know this. But instead, you've decided you'll stamp in, try and be a big boy, and when you discover there's bigger kids, start throwing a tantrum.

bah it doesnt matter. this whole thing is SO one sided. Minors bite the dust early or kill each other in the first couple pages while the major and grands have all the fun. I do two uberwank ships and everyone else has like 50, GAB...

Nice tantrum. You can have some 2 point ships. They'll be considered equal to 2 point ships from other nations. Those are the rules, so it isn't one-sided with people claiming uber-duper-super vessels.

SirNitram wrote:

hell i could make up some such shit like oh a Plasmatic Rail Cannon with EMP shells rendering shields obsolete! come on! or even better a ship with one gun, a single fusion transplaster that does lets say 4 points worth of damage against a 5 point ship? oh and guess what... its rapid fire!!!!11oneeleven!exclamationpoint

Very good, you've shown you can type like a crackbaby. Are you even trying to learn the rules?

thanks man you made me laugh, not at you at my self actually, thanks man.


oh and so you have a grand power with huge battlewagons, well in that case ill steer clear of your system. but of course youll still be allowed to come here under truce with one ship, but as seeing that you would have enough force to crush my sytem with one ship, i wont bother. jsut allow one of my ships to collect your ambassadors.

oh and i DONT expect total equality. but marginal i do. and you didnt answer my question, are the minors just supposed to lie down and be filler for this conlflict or are we allowed to join together and riseup against a regional or major defeat it and carve the sucker up? end.