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Caesar took very good notes in his lifetime, and the Romans themselves were a very meticulous, details-oriented people. If Julius Caesar says he has 2.5 million people, he probably actually does have at least that many.Brain_Caster wrote:Does he? He claims to do, but how do we know he isn't inflating his numbers or simply lying through his teeth?CaptainChewbacca wrote: Considering Caesar currently commands an army which outnumbers all the humans currently fighting at Phlegthon, I'd say he's got reason to. Make no mistake, he'll spin the victory as partly his doing.
Their priority seems to be to survive and stay out of trouble. Throwing an army of humans (restricted to Bronze Age tech) against a baldrick army would lead to a very bloody battle that would go extremely well for the baldricks. The present layout of Caesar's legions lends itself nicely to preserving them from being wiped out in a retaliatory baldrick assault.Also considering the apparently rather unorganised, ineffective and decentralized nature of the human resistance
They don't have to be. They just have to be loyal to whichever of Caesar's lieutenants they're attached to. Caesar's lieutenants, however, have to be personally loyal to him. And Caesar's had over two millennia to perfect his screening process.I'd be more than just surprised if all of those 2,5 million people, assuming they exist, are personally loyal to Caesar. Hell, I'd be surprised if more than half of them have even heard of him.
You have to then sort out the ones with the appropriate mindset for both military training, and who desire liberation and are willing to fight and die for it. For every useful recruit, there are probably tens or hundreds of thousands of other undead who would be unsuitable as fighters.It's likely he is just one of countless smaller leaders and vastly overstating his own importance. Also the one thing he has two offer, manpower, is effectively worthless in a place where all you have to do to get new recruits is to dig them out of mud.
It's not like Hell isn't going to devolve into a massive civil war anyway. The living are going to have to forge alliances with both human and 'friendly' baldrick warlords in order to keep the peace. Working with an undead organization that already has organization and numbers would make things go so much quicker and easier.Frankly, I think giving him so much as a single bullet would be a grave error, especially considering his personal history (which is, after all, history). Hell has enough baldrick warlords already, no reason to add a human one.
I prefer Churchill, with the Pitt's perhaps? much more civilised. Heh, I can imagine Churchill being as happy as a sand boy setting up a war cabinet of the "All Talents" for the British and Commonwealth section of Hell.Shroom Man 777 wrote:Yes. A very angry Winston Churchill. No, better yet, Stalin.
If democracy fails, you can always count on Stalin.
Not escaped. Caesar appears to have benefited from the non-interference clause The Powers That Be seem to have with each other. This has been mentioned in the reams of discussion surrounding the story.Guardsman Bass wrote:Hell may have toughened up Caesar even more, and given him plenty of time to reflect on mistakes. This is a guy who managed to escape from his tormentors, remember?
What do you mean? I don't follow.GrandMasterTerwynn wrote:Not escaped. Caesar appears to have benefited from the non-interference clause The Powers That Be seem to have with each other. This has been mentioned in the reams of discussion surrounding the story.Guardsman Bass wrote:Hell may have toughened up Caesar even more, and given him plenty of time to reflect on mistakes. This is a guy who managed to escape from his tormentors, remember?
IN HBO's Rome Titus Pullo and Lucious Vorenus are both, in their strange ways, quite devoted followers of the Roman gods. At one point they make a serious blunder that has disastrous effects (both short and long-term). They confess to Caesar, expecting to be executed, but he pardons them. Whan asked why he says.CaptainChewbacca wrote: What do you mean? I don't follow.
I don't know if it'd really work in the storyline, especially with what we're already discussed about finding one particular person amongst tens of billions, but I do admit the fangirlish part of me would go squee (points at sig).Fyrwulf wrote:You know who I want to see? Gustavus Adolphus. I want the God of War to lay the smack down on a Baldric legion. Won't happen, but I'd still like to see it. Or, perhaps better yet, William T. Sherman. If Gustavus is the God of War, Sherman is his Jesus.
You're a fellow fan of Sherman's BBQ as well? Probably the best pit action to ever take place in Atlanta, yes?Mayabird wrote:I don't know if it'd really work in the storyline, especially with what we're already discussed about finding one particular person amongst tens of billions, but I do admit the fangirlish part of me would go squee (points at sig).
Yep. Being that my second middle name is Thor, I'm quite curious about the Norse gods. I mean, now that we've established that Yahweh is mortal, it seems curious that he could've forced his way into their religious domain without (to borrow a ghetto phrase) getting his shit stomped. I can't imagine that many an angel came out in good shape after encountering Thor or Loki. I mean, hell, Loki would give Satan a run for his money in the department of pure sadism and cunning. Thor, well... He's such a badass that "Face The Pain" plays whenever he steps into a room, whether there's a stereo system or not.Cool. There ARE other gods, as Marina and I have been speculating.
Or as happy as a pig in mud! I've just re-read Keegan's "Churchill" and there is a photo of he and others, as captives being paraded at some school, in South Africa. The others are despondent, depressed, embarrassed etc but Churchill stands apart with jutting chin and defiance in his eyes. People too often only think of the Churchill, cigar clamped between his lips, of WW2 but the young Churchill was rather "energised" by combat:Stuart Mackey wrote:I prefer Churchill, with the Pitt's perhaps? much more civilised. Heh, I can imagine Churchill being as happy as a sand boy setting up a war cabinet of the "All Talents" for the British and Commonwealth section of Hell.Shroom Man 777 wrote:Yes. A very angry Winston Churchill. No, better yet, Stalin.
If democracy fails, you can always count on Stalin.
JBG wrote:Or as happy as a pig in mud! I've just re-read Keegan's "Churchill" and there is a photo of he and others, as captives being paraded at some school, in South Africa. The others are despondent, depressed, embarrassed etc but Churchill stands apart with jutting chin and defiance in his eyes. People too often only think of the Churchill, cigar clamped between his lips, of WW2 but the young Churchill was rather "energised" by combat:Stuart Mackey wrote:I prefer Churchill, with the Pitt's perhaps? much more civilised. Heh, I can imagine Churchill being as happy as a sand boy setting up a war cabinet of the "All Talents" for the British and Commonwealth section of Hell.Shroom Man 777 wrote:Yes. A very angry Winston Churchill. No, better yet, Stalin.
If democracy fails, you can always count on Stalin.
I know, bullet magnet was Tiny, even copped a fragment in the neck at Minqar Qiam. It was complications from one of his WW1 wounds that finally did for him."There is nothing so exhilarating as being shot at and missed" or words to that effect. Bullets etc just didn't seem to able to find him, even when in the open. Perhaps the opposite in that regard to Freyberg (sic?), the classic fighting Kiwi General!
The last mounted charge by a British unit actually took place in the early '20s in Turkey, not at Omdurman. However the claimant of large charge by British Empire and Commonwealth troops is less clear, but is possibly held by an Indian mounted unit that charged IJA troops in Burma when it was cut-off.And there was that incident at Omdurman when he was in the last horse cavalry charge of the British army.
Perhaps he means, "really meaniingful" charge. Churchill was one brave guy. He seemed to be a true 'renaissance man' in the modern era. More, Stuart!!!!! 
Well, since various US Special Forces teams made quite a few cavalry charges in Afghanistan, doesn't that rather mean the honor is theirs? (Afghan ponies were trained to duck their heads when their rider fired an RPG-7 from the saddle).JN1 wrote:Tom, there were plenty of meaningfull charges (WW1 has quite a few, yeomanry at Huj and Aussie Light Horse at Bersheeba for example) after that and to hold the honour of last mounted charge is a highly valued honour among cavalry and yeomanry regiments.
In the American Army certainly, though I have seen a British Royal Marine on horseback. So who knows if they maybe charged something, I guess it's also possible SAS/SBS teams might have done the same.Stuart wrote:Well, since various US Special Forces teams made quite a few cavalry charges in Afghanistan, doesn't that rather mean the honor is theirs? (Afghan ponies were trained to duck their heads when their rider fired an RPG-7 from the saddle).JN1 wrote:Tom, there were plenty of meaningfull charges (WW1 has quite a few, yeomanry at Huj and Aussie Light Horse at Bersheeba for example) after that and to hold the honour of last mounted charge is a highly valued honour among cavalry and yeomanry regiments.
By the way the combination of charging cavalry supported by helicopter gunships worked very well.
