SD.Net World Redux Comment Thread II

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-09-08 03:01pm

PeZook wrote:I'm just about to log off, though. Well...I said I was going to be fashionably late, didn't I?

I would feel so very depressed were I to land in Pezookia and told that the King has left.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-09-08 03:57pm

RogueIce wrote:...the myriad problems down in Freseque...

Will this be your nu-ku-lar, Rogue?

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-09-08 04:05pm

SiegeTank wrote:
RogueIce wrote:...the myriad problems down in Freseque...
Will this be your nu-ku-lar, Rogue?

I'm just going to call it the Damn F-ing Continent. You picked an annoying name for that place, and I don't feel like looking it up every time I need to mention you.

Didn't it have an alternate spelling at one time? I seem to remember it did. Veleria actually has two names: Marina decreed it Velestria but Skimmer and others refer to it as Veleria and that seems to have stuck.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-09-08 04:13pm

RogueIce wrote:I'm just going to call it the Damn F-ing Continent.

That works for me

. I half expect even us who are on it to call it that...

Didn't it have an alternate spelling at one time? I seem to remember it did.

I don't think so (hell I don't think anyone has figured out how to actually pronounce the name) but I could be wrong. I wouldn't mind if there were some local variants of it though, it adds flavor to the place.

(And in return, we'll call your continent simply Messica

.)

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-09-08 04:28pm

SiegeTank wrote:I don't think so (hell I don't think anyone has figured out how to actually pronounce the name) but I could be wrong. I wouldn't mind if there were some local variants of it though, it adds flavor to the place.

Luckily for me, I'm not the only one who has trouble remembering how to spell your damn continent.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-09-08 04:30pm

WRT Veleria & Velestria, I just chalked it up to regional accents or linguistic differences. If the country called "Deutschland" by its actual citizens ends up getting called "Germany" by everyone else in the world, then there's room for similar alterations of names.

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-09-08 04:36pm

Are you bowing out, Coiler?

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-09-08 04:39pm

Coyote wrote:Are you bowing out, Coiler?

I believe the MESS should graciously offer to lend our assistance in restoring the proper government of Coilerburg to power. With a suitable peacekeeping mission left in place afterwards, of course.

Unless the FTO wants to deal with it. Whatever.

Coiler · Post by **Coiler** » 2008-09-08 04:40pm

Coyote wrote:Are you bowing out, Coiler?

No.

My country is simply under different IC management.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-09-08 04:41pm

Coiler wrote:With Frequesue constantly tearing itself apart, strong, capable leadership and a strong, capable military is needed to hold it together.

Bwahaha, I'm not the only one, and they're on the damn continent!

Master_Baerne · Post by **Master_Baerne** » 2008-09-08 04:41pm

So...Should I send troops to put you back in power, or not?

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-09-08 04:42pm

Master_Baerne wrote:So...Should I send troops to put you back in power, or not?

The real question is, does he have a choice in the matter?

Ok, poking fun at the FTO aside, MESS members, should we or shouldn't we?

Karmic Knight · Post by **Karmic Knight** » 2008-09-08 04:43pm

RogueIce wrote:
Coiler wrote:With Frequesue constantly tearing itself apart, strong, capable leadership and a strong, capable military is needed to hold it together.
Bwahaha, I'm not the only one, and they're on the damn continent!

I'm pretty sure that is right.

Coiler wrote:
Coyote wrote:Are you bowing out, Coiler?
No.

My country is simply under different IC management.

::crosses fingers:: More militaristic management?

Master_Baerne · Post by **Master_Baerne** » 2008-09-08 04:46pm

RogueIce wrote: Ok, poking fun at the FTO aside, MESS members, should we or shouldn't we?

The FTO will not tolerate a foreign mission on Frequesquean soil. Sorry, but it's just not an option, what with the whole mission of the FTO and all...

Post by **Coyote** » 2008-09-08 04:48pm

RogueIce wrote:
Master_Baerne wrote:So...Should I send troops to put you back in power, or not?
Ok, poking fun at the FTO aside, MESS members, should we or shouldn't we?

I say NO.

Tian Xia already established a MESS toehold in Frequesne; any further MESS involvement (especially under these circumstances) will allow the MESS to appear as imperialistic; it will also cause some to wonder how convenient this was for us; and since the whole purpose of the FTO was to keep outside powers at bay, a second loss so quickly after Tian Xiao will probably alarm them and cause them to radicalize.

Post by **Beowulf** » 2008-09-08 04:51pm

Meh. I will not support (either politically or militarily) any MESS invasion of Coilerburg. Tian Xia completed it's objectives.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2008-09-08 04:55pm

Karmic Knight wrote:I'm pretty sure that is right.

According to the map, there's two Qs in the name.

And sounds good to me. I wasn't eager to get involved with Coilerburg either, honestly. Well maybe the tiny Shep-like voice inside all of us wanted me to finally bomb something, but I have managed to surpress that now, no need to worry.

Karmic Knight · Post by **Karmic Knight** » 2008-09-08 04:59pm

RogueIce wrote:
Karmic Knight wrote:I'm pretty sure that is right.
According to the map, there's two Qs in the name.

That is how I have spelt it, so I guess I am wrong, yay.

SiegeTank wrote:[OOC: Please FTO guys, if the whole Tian Jiao/PRSF clusterfuck taught us anything it ought to be that we might want to ask questions first before we send our naval task force up there... Let's see if this new junta can be reasoned with first? If all they want is some better military goodies, San Dorado would be willing to sell 'em at a discount provided the generals relinquish power back to the civvie government in due time.]

Go Thinking Things Through!

Raj Ahten · Post by **Raj Ahten** » 2008-09-08 05:01pm

There is no need for the MESS or the FTO for that matter, to do anything about the Coup of Coilerburg. It is an internal matter, and Indhopal doesn't want to dick around in there as long as the new government fulfills its commitments to the FTO and doesn't start a genocide somewhere. Its not like coups are anything new to unstable former colony areas.

Indhopal will be very interested in seeing exactly what the new government in Coilerburg is all about though and confirming that thee hunta really means what they say about the FTO.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2008-09-08 05:02pm

Master_Baerne wrote: The FTO will not tolerate a foreign mission on Frequesquean soil. Sorry, but it's just not an option, what with the whole mission of the FTO and all...

So you claim that your paper treaty triumph’s national sovereignty, that is a very dangerous proposition to make, as in nations which are not members of the treaty could interpret it as a outright declaration of war.

Siege · Post by **Siege** » 2008-09-08 05:12pm

Coilerburg's troubles are an internal affair... We (the FTO) may not like it, but as long as this new regime doesn't go around destabilizing the continent or otherwise going against our (terribly ill-defined) charter, we have no business interfering in what for all accounts is the internal affairs of a sovereign nation. That would set a very nasty precedent... 'Cause, what if we don't like the outcome of the next Indhopali elections? Do we intervene then as well?

Let's see what happens first. We can always decide to bust some balls later.

PS: I would advise against using terms like "will not tolerate", because that's awfully straightforward and therefore not very diplomatic at all

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Shinn Langley Soryu · Post by **Shinn Langley Soryu** » 2008-09-08 05:19pm

The way I see it, one way for the Coilerburg junta to go about performing the necessary military reforms is to trade in their white elephants for more serviceable craft.

Those seven destroyers? Trade them in for corvettes and FACs. Any excess air superiority fighters? Trade them in for transports and close support fighters. Suffering from outdated army equipment? Buy newer stuff and sell the old crap back to the Velarians; those folks in al-Akharabat would definitely appreciate some proper APCs.

Raj Ahten · Post by **Raj Ahten** » 2008-09-08 05:27pm

SiegeTank wrote:Coilerburg's troubles are an internal affair... We (the FTO) may not like it, but as long as this new regime doesn't go around destabilizing the continent or otherwise going against our (terribly ill-defined) charter, we have no business interfering in what for all accounts is the internal affairs of a sovereign nation. That would set a very nasty precedent... 'Cause, what if we don't like the outcome of the next Indhopali elections? Do we intervene then as well?

Let's see what happens first. We can always decide to bust some balls later.

PS: I would advise against using terms like "will not tolerate", because that's awfully straightforward and therefore not very diplomatic at all .

I agree totally here. This is an internal matter of Coilerburg, and not at all out of character for Coilerburg. The place has been a dictatorship for its whole history.

Shinn Langley Soryu · Post by **Shinn Langley Soryu** » 2008-09-08 05:30pm

I'd like to know exactly what other kinds of equipment the Coilerburg military operates. I know that the air force uses JAS 39 Gripens and F-4 Phantom IIs, while the navy operates Arleigh Burkes and Tarantuls.

I may have a proposition for the junta.

Master_Baerne · Post by **Master_Baerne** » 2008-09-08 05:47pm

Sea Skimmer wrote:
Master_Baerne wrote: The FTO will not tolerate a foreign mission on Frequesquean soil. Sorry, but it's just not an option, what with the whole mission of the FTO and all...
So you claim that your paper treaty triumph’s national sovereignty, that is a very dangerous proposition to make, as in nations which are not members of the treaty could interpret it as a outright declaration of war.

Ah, but as the relevant definition of "Frequequean soil" is that of nations that have signed onto the FTO, an organization who's express purpose is to prevent such events, anything else would be a betrayal of principles, no?