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weemadando wrote:
*Edit* as for the final shot of the demo - stupid. It's a fucking police chopper (I'm assuming) and she jumps and hangs onto the skid. For what purpose? There's still a bunch of SWAT guys ready to light her up about 10m behind her, but somehow because she's now dangling below the police chopper she's invisible or something. Horridly obvious gameplay conceit.

Looked more like a news chopper or some such to me. That and it dipped down below roof level a few seconds after she caught on. It may be a concealed dystopia but cops might have issues with accidentally shooting innocent bystanders.

Hotfoot wrote:Sony's got a lot more behind it than Sega did. Like Microsoft, they can keep gaming afloat a bit longer, and all they REALLY have to do is some damage control for the PS3 and start planning the PS4 NOW

Do you think that they're (Sony) ready to do that now though? They've consistantly talked about a 10 year life cycle for the PS3, and they aren't even halfway through the lifespan at this point. Mind you, I don't think Sony's going anywhere either, but I don't think they're ready to start planning out their next console at this point, at least not in much detail. (imho)

apocolypse wrote:

Hotfoot wrote:Sony's got a lot more behind it than Sega did. Like Microsoft, they can keep gaming afloat a bit longer, and all they REALLY have to do is some damage control for the PS3 and start planning the PS4 NOW

Do you think that they're (Sony) ready to do that now though? They've consistantly talked about a 10 year life cycle for the PS3, and they aren't even halfway through the lifespan at this point. Mind you, I don't think Sony's going anywhere either, but I don't think they're ready to start planning out their next console at this point, at least not in much detail. (imho)

Ready? Not likely. They're scrambling to do damage control as it is. I'm just saying they need to use this generation as the stepping stone to their next generation if they want to survive, much like what Microsoft did with the original Xbox. Forge new properties, find something unique to the PS3's hardware that takes full advantage of it and is, of course, fun.

Meanwhile, forget Sony's talking points for the PS3. They've been so laughable they're not worth the electrons they're transmitted with. I mean really, how many things have they said that were patently false? It's just silly, either they've lost touch with reality, or they're hoping we're all a bunch of idiots. One need look no further than the Sony ads which simply use the standard game ads, but at the end flash "Playstation 3", which imply that you can only get the game for the PS3. I can't count the number of times I've been in a game store, started chatting about some multiplatform game or another, and someone said, "Yeah, pity it's only coming out for PS3."

Maddening. Smart for Playstation, but utterly deceptive shit nonetheless.

Nintendo Press Conferance:

Wow I can't believe it started out this lame....Wii Snowboard looks like suck. Some seriously bad ads for Wii. ...Iwata just talked smack about Brain Age and Nintydogs. Where's praxis to love this shit.

Did he seriously just introduce player created content as something new?

New Animal crossing, you can create some stuff. Oh noes, real world simulations, animals do stuff around the clock.

.... WiiSpeak. "Community Microphone" You can chat with players on another Wii. Several people using say, 3 remotes on one Wii, can all chat with players with another Wii.

Reggie is talking smack. No one cares. Because he's boring. He's mocking himself, but it's still pathetic marketing talk. Oh god he's proud about using celebrity ads..

Oh god he's basically saying 'we ripped off hard core gamers by releasing good games early on and now we have nothing for them'. And he claims the Wii outsold the 360 on game sales in the U.S., which AFAIK is not accurate.

Star Wars, The Clone wars...
light sabre combat. ingame. Looks emo. Does not use the new remote. Has a new accessorry to the wiimote, so it looks like you're using a lightsabre but it's the same remote. Very Emo art style.

Rayman something, very lame casual shit.

Call of Duty The Gimped War (thanks hotfoot). VERY lame graphics, nothing new on gameplay.

They have Spore for the DS. Gimped Spore am I rite?

Holy shit this is like the worst ad ever for Guitar Hero : On tour.

Gimped Spore ad is a gameplay design talking. Crappy cover. They're talking about player created content... the graphics are actually neat. They're talking about WiFi creature sharing (I think). I don't get the UI.
And again, the ad they have of people using the DS is REALLY lame.

New Pokemon game. Jesus. They're using up airtime by litterally repeating what they said before.

GTA exclusive for the DS. Modern liberty city stories, based off GTA4. GTA Chinatown Wars.

She is now connecting a DS and internet utilisation, like finding ATMs, coffeeshops in an airport...because thats so hard am I rite? "Checking Box Scores of live games" and "chatting with other players mid football game" is SO awesome. NOT.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS BORING SHIT? "the DS is transforming itself from a game device into a portable internet device"

WiiMotionPlus. "More Precise, More intense"
WiiSportsResorts...this is their killer game? THIS IS THEIR KILLER SHIT?

This guy is trying to hype up the WiiMotionPlus, oh no, you can tilt your wrist. Wow...this is worse then WiiSports, which were fun.

"most adorable game" my left asscheek. And now he's showing some water sports shit...holy shit did Ninty turn into a completly sellout studio or what?

Sword dueling...This better be good. You hold the remotes with both hands and it shows the way you hold the sword accurately. That could be neat. WiiBoxing, now with swords and accurate capture of what you're doing. This is their seller? Could work. That actually looks fun.

"this is a small taste of wii sports resort", I hope the rest isn't as crappy.
"other activites come to mind", Wii Beach Babe Watching?

"WiiMotionPlus, we just dumped it on our developers and they have no idea how to use it. So don't expect anything for a while." Launching next spring?

One Last thing...
HOLY shit...they have a music creator. This is their big shit? A guy smacking drums using a wiimote?

Wii Band?
Anyone remember that Wii Orchestra was supposed to be a launch title? Now Miyamoto is being cool on screen doing a saxophone. This could actually be really fun.
Wii Music. They admit that this game has been a long time coming.
A differant play experiance then past music game. Yeah. you make music. This could be cool. Miyamoto needs to get a fashion consultant. He's bashing Guitar Hero and Rock Band.
"We want people to have fun, not to synchronise button presses." He's now holding a Wiimote and moves his body to match any instrument and the Wii knows how to play it and make it sound good. "I don't have to worry about playing the wrong note or making a mistake." The more I hear, the more it sounds fun.
50 instruments, Piano, Sax, drum set, Violin. So basically, Wii orchestra is coming here. No word about if it has a conductor mode.
Guitar, Miyamoto really needs a fashion consultant. A few drums.
They're showing off some celebrity, I'm not watching this bit.

I'm back. WiiFit integration for Drum Pedals. They're bringing in more celebrities... You can choose your own instruments for the band. Wow that's some ugly Mii's.

They're each choosing tasks, I have no idea how the Wii handles things behind the scenes. Wow they really suck at harmonising but it looks fun.

Someone over in SA

This being Miyamoto and the last presentation it looks like I was right. Absolutely no core games of any kind.

That is not how playing a saxaphone works!

2008-2009 on wii: Tech demos: The game.

Back to this...they really have no idea how to play anything. But it actually does look fun. So this will probably sell and those of you who paid for a Wii will probably have fun.

Holy shit they're back to talking smack. "Consider the possabilities..snowboarding without injuring yourself". They are AGAIN repeating themselves to fill minutes.

Star Wars the Clone Wars is coming to the DS. That better be their big announcement because this is completly sucky. They're smacking Sony around on thinking the DS is a fad.

....he's inventing history as he goes along. Invented shit about the nintendo history. Paraphasing "we are not standing still on the DS front. Expect news there."

Another awesome quote (thanks Los)

WiiMusic disrupted my thinking so much that I think my Wii may be heading to ebay

Hopefully the microphone sees some use in online titles, but then the "bad guys" might get you.

Qwerty 42 wrote:Hopefully the microphone sees some use in online titles, but then the "bad guys" might get you.

Right...with all the online Wii gaming thats going on?

I'm watching an E3 press conference (Nintendo's) for the first time. Has no one mastered the arcane concept of public speaking? Reggie and the woman are lurching forward. I think my stream is also about 2-3 minutes behind whatever Ace Pace has.

LMSx wrote:I'm watching an E3 press conference (Nintendo's) for the first time. Has no one mastered the arcane concept of public speaking? Reggie and the woman are lurching forward. I think my stream is also about 2-3 minutes behind whatever Ace Pace has.

I'm on the gamespot subscriber feed, guess that's live unlike the IGN feed.

Ace Pace wrote:

LMSx wrote:I'm watching an E3 press conference (Nintendo's) for the first time. Has no one mastered the arcane concept of public speaking? Reggie and the woman are lurching forward. I think my stream is also about 2-3 minutes behind whatever Ace Pace has.

I'm on the gamespot subscriber feed, guess that's live unlike the IGN feed.

I would be outraged, except that so far only means you're learning about Pokemon and Wii Sports Resort earlier.

LMSx wrote:
I would be outraged, except that so far only means you're learning about Pokemon and Wii Sports Resort earlier.

The end improved abit but wow that was the suckiest conferance since 2005.

I don't think they introduced a single game I want between now and the end of the year. Huh. If they had some Zelda or big new title that wasn't yet ready to be shown you'd have at least thought they'd have just said "coming next year" in preparation for a media reveal in the next couple months, but...yeah. Looks like buying a DS and Chrono Trigger just got a lot easier to handle.

EDIT- I've seen the point raised though that they introduced the Brawl trailer the day after the conference. Will be worth keeping an eye out for something.

LMSx wrote:I don't think they introduced a single game I want between now and the end of the year. Huh. If they had some Zelda or big new title that wasn't yet ready to be shown you'd have at least thought they'd have just said "coming next year" in preparation for a media reveal in the next couple months, but...yeah. Looks like buying a DS and Chrono Trigger just got a lot easier to handle.

EDIT- I've seen the point raised though that they introduced the Brawl trailer the day after the conference. Will be worth keeping an eye out for something.

They pretty much stood up and said 'we produced alot of shovelware' and expected to get applause.

I never knew that those Pokemon Ranger and Mystery games were actually selling, though that would explain why they keep making them, duh.

Call of Duty: World at War I was already speculating it for the Wii so it was nice to see, I guess, the game play wasn't exactly impressive. Wasn't it established that the Wii shooter peripheral sucked? GTA for the DS was a suprise for but, at this point if you have Spore and GTA on the DS, what's stopping them from having a Wii version of those titles and making the DS titles ports?

As for the actual presentation, it was pretty boring, the crowd actually looked dead during some parts. During certain parts they were basically repeating some of the samething over and over again which got annoying. Hardcore fanboys are already bitching on the message boards. I see now why we didn't here anything about Nintendo before E3.

Another thing, what the hell is so fun about Animal Crossing, I never got that. They say that they want to bring gaming to the masses, which they did but, they're kind of teasing the core gamers. I can't exactly call myself a core-gamer so I can't complain that much, I'm somewhere in between core and casual, except you'll never see playing a copy of Cooking Mama.

Atleast we're guaranteed another Zelda for the Wii in the coming years, given the patterns of the last consoles.

I guess with a less than satifying presentations from Nintendo and Microsoft (which was excellent for the first 30 minutes), you would expect Sony to take advantage but, Microsoft I kind of fucked them over again. Come on Killzone 2.

HEH the Sony press conference is just going to be some Japanese guy sitting on stage in a folding chair with his hands on his head.

And yes, the Nintendo thing was terrible. So was Miyamoto bashing two of the biggest 3rd party titles he'll ever get.

No-one's going to be watching the Sony conference, that countdown timer on bungie.net runs out halfway through it

Vendetta wrote:No-one's going to be watching the Sony conference, that countdown timer on bungie.net runs out halfway through it

Uh what? The bungie.net homepage timer shows 19:04:seconds and thats not halfway through the sony deal.

any info on the Left 4 Dead game? I am looking forward to that.

The thing that's bugging me right now is, Microsoft managed to show a number of software but, we know that they're other games like Left 4 Dead, Halo Wars, and other things coming out that weren't mentioned during the press conference. Which makes me have hope that we didn't see everything from Nintendo that they had to offer, obviously they aren't all hardcore games or else I'm sure they would have been mentioned but, I really want to know what those titles are. We have Force Unleashed and Mario Super Sluggers but, what else is there?

Tales of Symphonia: Dawn of the New World might be the highest-profile "hardcore" release coming out in the states, but we don't have a date on it yet, although 11/1 has been bandied about.

Nothing. Untill Praxis comes in, wiping semen off his chin and talks about how AWESOME the press conferance was.

More seriously, MS showed exactly what they had to, "we have games, you don't. We're making money, you're not." I don't know what else you could have expect

Ace Pace wrote:Nothing. Untill Praxis comes in, wiping semen off his chin and talks about how AWESOME the press conferance was.

Gee, you're taking this personally aren't you?

Schuyler Colfax wrote:

Ace Pace wrote:Nothing. Untill Praxis comes in, wiping semen off his chin and talks about how AWESOME the press conferance was.

Gee, you're taking this personally aren't you?

No, it's just known fact that Praxis, who runs Nintendoplayers.com, is a ninty fanboy. It's far more amusing to run off that sterotype then to simply admit that the conference was a snooze and if I didn't have dinner in the middle I'd have fallen asleep.

Apart from GTA DS, that's a pretty disappointing line-up. No F-Zero? Me not happy.

ETA: and they better think long and hard about whether they want GTA to be 3D. Anyone who's played Driver on the GBA knows that sometimes, it's better to stick to a flat world...

Sony Press Conferance

Lots of lame techno music as a starter. Nothing yet.



[yeah, missing alot]

Alot of shit about the history of Playstation. Something "intense,vivid,and powerful", yeah, like losing first place.

"Listen to us, we were smart"

Holy shit this feed sucks, like a billion fanboys are watching this.

Gran Tourismo TV: Coming for Gran Tourismo Prologue. This is....ESPN just for cars?
[Skip a few minutes]

Alot of shit about PSP and PS3. Nothing about integration.
Is he seriously talking about the PS2?!

GAMES! AT LAST... oh wait it's the playstation three.

"This is our year, because all the prior years have sucked dick"

Insomniac game. Resistance 2 I guess. Normal graphics. Neat stuff....Citidel ripoff with God of War style huge monsters.
RPG mechanics like Half Life 2. A completly by the numbers shooters.

Oh look at us, we're defacing more churchs, but this time we're doing mega churchs, so the big boys can sue us.
This is seriously by the numbers stuff. Like Gears of War 2, we're seeing more of the same. If you liked Resistance, you'll like this.

He's now talking about the back story for Reistance 2.
*masturbate to resistance 2 multiplayer* Scale, 64 players, community features. Think of a checklist feature, like Co-Op, and they have it. Destructive enviorments, check. Whatever. I'll repeat myself, it's Gears of War, for the PS3.

Trailer for Resistance 2. Ingame stuff. More cinematic stuff.

Tangent:

Hotfoot wrote:Let's see: Microsoft showed a shit ton of games and had their guys on a timer so they didn't run over...we know they've got more games in the pipe, so we can expect that they cut some for time.

Nintendo, meanwhile, was filling time like fucking CRAZY and barely showed anything. Yeah, sure, they've got PLENTY up their sleeves.

I'll add that sony has what to show, very little, so they're milking everything for a while.
How long is this game on the screen? 15 minutes?
They realised that blowing stuff up in Europe doesn't sell, so it's now set in the United States.

Another tangent, the MS conferance was simply shocked silence, Ninty was like "this is it?", theres light applause here.

LittleBigPlanet...
Did he just blowjob the dev team for littlebigplanet? "mad geniuses"

He's talking about how everyone likes this game. Which is mostly true. "Uniquely PlayStation 3", yeah...because this is impossible to do on the 360.

How much more "boston is a three champion city, just like Sony is a three sucessful platform company"

...Wow. They just made LittleBigPlanet advertise Sony. Sackboy is jumping on platforms that rise up and give a marketing point.

...They're comparing the real estate business to gaming. And I thought even Ninty was a bore...this is simply pathetic. "oh wow, PS3 sold 1.8 million copies". Kinda shocking that the PS2 sold over 1.5 mil.

"we rock". Okay, we get it... Get back to LittleBigPlanet.

"We're so lacking for games that we're re-releasing old games as new games"

That was an AWESOME use of LBP...as a power point slider. What the FUCK is this shit?
Microsft was like an awesome club party. Ninty was your old grandmother serving you tea. This..This is more like a stoner trying to sell you on his shit. I can't believe MS is currently holding the best conferance.

One of our ten full releases. What, is he implying they only have 10 good games this year?

Holy shit he's going back to the fucking PlayStation2. They are so screwed for news they are going back to a 9 year old console.
130 games coming out for the PS2 in 2008. What the fuck is this shit. There are actually neat games. NFL sports montage now.

Holy shit this is....who the fuck is in charge of marketing in Sony? You don't have a next gen consoles so you have a PS2?

Is he seriously advertising SingStar as the big product for the year?

...Yes he is.

He is now atlast. talking about the PS3. About it's online aspects.
Get this guys, we're 30 minutes into the conferance and we've seen ONE game. He's now talking about Playstation network and he's discovered the global userID. All internet connected retards can sign up for the PSN, and you can all 'interface' and shit.

He is seriously sprouting shit I can't make myself type. It's that pathetic.
You know, when Microsoft was talking about Xbox Live, atleast they had what to show! Did he seriously say that a non sucky UI was an achivement?

It's thirty minutes in and he's already going "we have a few suprises"?

Ratchet and Clank: Future. A small game. Not alot of money. This is AGAIN pre-canned CGI. Not bad platforming action. He can grab live animals and use them as...a torch.

This is another big suprise, a Ratchet and Clank casual game?

Tangent: who the fuck is this speaker? They got sick of actually bringing in Sony bigwigs and they're bringing in this retard? He can't even sound cool like Reggie. Atleast the Microsoft retard speaking had something to show.

Correction, Ratchet and Clank, quest for booty. I shit you not. Quest for booty. Fat princess. WTF are these names. PSN games.

Pain: Amusment Park.
Anyone want to try and tell me this is Sonys real line up? Someone pinch me. I think I have a headache. Flower, from the creators of Flow. no one has any idea how that will play.
Siren: Blood Curse. I am seriously lost for words.

They're showing PSN games as their 'big suprises'.

...He is again repeating old games. Even Nintendo didn't sink to "last year we had awesome games"

Gran Tourismo TV: Coming for Gran Tourismo Prologue. This is....ESPN just for cars?
Basically, TV of car shows, Top Gear, what not.

"We're not in it for the games, we're in it to smack people around."
He's now talking up trophies. Get this Sony, you're so.... How long as MS had Achivements?

[Home] "Your patience will be rewarded" Yeah, I mean, you haven't delayed it over what, two years?

I really have no idea what to say to this. He's using marketing speak.

Home Trailer. You have people club dancing in a weird pseudo-Second Life game.
What's the point of sitting together and having your model shake it's head? So theres in-home, advertisments for games.
Game specific lobbies could be cool.

"Oh wait, we can also do TV over the PS3"
"But...we only have Sony and it's owned studios. We welcome everyone else to join this lame duck"

"You can take a movie from the PS3 to the PSP. We don't have DRM. This is our big factor!"

I'll give them one thing. The UI is instantly understandable. Very easy to understand.
Oh wait, they also have warner bro's.
"We can brand the screen per publisher, look at us"

Hotfoot informs me that MS doesn't have movie buys, only rentals. So thats actually neat. And the fact you can take it on a PSP is also neat. Probably be cracked in minutes.

He's showing a live stream of a trailer.
Progressive download, or basically "stream and download at the same time.

"Oh yeah, new firmware/new store tonight"
They pulled an apple.

"we're so starved for real games we're talking about the PSP more then the PS3"

13 million sales sound alot better...if you forgot the DS sales. What are DS sales now?

New PSP pack, Silver PSP + Ratchet and Clank Size Matters + national treasure 2.

Holy shit did they just do movie bundling to drive sales again? What is this pathetic bundling crap? It's like the HD-DVD module for the 360. 100% Lame.

I think this is resistance for the PSP. They're showing pre-rendered CGI for it. So I can't be too impressed.

Yeah, some gameplay. Basic PSP graphics, basic run and gun over the shoulder shooting. If you like that stuff, this is for you.

"Hey, it took us 4 years to get developers to make good games"

Game montage time...for the PSP?
Star Wars force unleashed
Madden NFL 09 -This one has some sharp graphics. Very easy to see.
LocoRoco 2. I really want to play this.
NBA something 09. EA sports is having a contrast party.
SuperStardust something.
Missed something.
Patapon 2 2. I have no idea what is going on here.
Buzz Master Quiz. You can guess what this is.
Valkyria Chronicles. Sharp Graphics. Far more impressive then what they singled out.

At fucking last, they're talking about the PS3...
As a business console. I'm serious. They're marketing Google.

Sony Online is being advertised as a partner. I don't get this. They're the same company.

DC Universe Online.
*silence*
Blah Blah Blah I love us, I mean SOE.
"We built this world from scratch"...No really? You mean you didn't download all the models? Wow, thats so impressive...that everyone does it.
....He realises he is pathetic, atleast he's amusing.

How many times can he say the name, without showing any gameplay?
GAMEPLAY....oh wait..no.
Normal MMO graphics, not stealing from WoW for a change. Celebrity endorsments!

For the PS3 and for the PC.
"You can play with all the classic heroes"
Outside the setting, there is really nothing new in this MMO. Like...all MMOs.
I'm more amused at the normal hand drawn stuff.

"we cancelled the 60GB, so we're so suprised that 80GB is selling"
$400 80GB PS3 Core Pack.

They have seriously devolved to quoting developers talking about how awesome the PS3 is. But it's all marketing power "the PS3 was hard to develop for, now we can actually develop"
Seriously, this is a bunch of developers saying that the PS3 rocks. They're showing games in the background, Far Cry 2, Star wars : The force Unleashed, ...other stuff I missed.
Wow, these developers range from intelligient to "I am guzzling sonys money"
Fallout 3 for the PS3, CoD world at war.
People, we are seeing developers sell out for Sony's money.

There, we're done with that. That was sad.

"We have exclusive stuff"
They're showing a bunch of sequals and LBP. And MGS, a game that is already out. This is their big collection? This is 100% sequals and Ghostbusters the game. Which looks like ass.
Soul Calibur 4..uh the stream didn't like it.
Naruto. Okay. Whatever.
Mirrors edge, good it's not a 360 exclusive, it might reach the PC.
SingStar for the PS3...Stark can comment.
Guitar Hero...
You know, microsoft dedicated like 10 minutes to GH4 and RockStar 2, and got people excited. Gh3 got a 3 second spot.

Killzone 2, again. Is this game ever going to come out?

...I have to admit this is a pretty media presentation. With zero substance.

God of War 3 is their last little thing. A CGI trailer to get people pumped up for this stuff. Anyone suprised? Anyone?
So lets summarise, the three exclusives they showed that wern't total crap were:
LBP,Resistance 2, God of War 3
You have got to be shitting me.

I sat here for an hour and a half of mocking this pathetic thing for three frickin games?

He's talking about some game, Infamous. Hyping it up as another morality play, "you can save the city or destroy it".
No really?
CGI comic book style drawing. Grim stuff. "everyone died...except me"

Pretty graphics. This could be good. Force Unleashed levels of destruction, with no Star Wars.

An MMOFPS. From Zipper Interactive. MAG: Massive Action Game.
"Massive online battles on a scale never before seen on consoles'
256 players max. So basically..an 8 bit number?

Character Growth, or basically, you get promoted and you can command other players. Planetside + Battlefield style commander.
256 players, squad based, promotions. What exactly is so cool? Maybe i'm not in the console sphere but this doesn't sound so cool.
And now, trailer.
They're showing off chain of command. If this is ingame, thats alot of players with pretty models. But I doubt it's anywhere near that in game.

So yeah, they're showing off some cool action. Really cool stuff. If that's anywhere near what they end up releasing this might be a cool game. The 'commander UI' better be a mockup because it sucks so bad you need to be paid to use it.

So now we have...5 games?
We're done everyone. I hope theres nothing worse then this waiting because there's only so much a person can take in a single sitting.

Microsoft wins the entertainment award.

I already see camera issues for GTA DS.

Holy shit he's going back to the fucking PlayStation2. They are so screwed for news they are going back to a 9 year old console.
130 games coming out for the PS2 in 2008. What the fuck is this shit. There are actually neat games. NFL sports montage now.

What part of 10 year cycle don't you understand?