The Creation Museum evolves

[LaCroix]

There is agreement on that this happened, but the jury is still out on the question of how fast it was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Sea_ ... hypothesis

[Simon_Jester]

If God wasn't Noah's navigator (the Ark should've had a bumper sticker like that) one would have to wonder what he'd do if the waters subsided, and he found himself stranded in the Bay of Biscay

If God wasn't Noah's navigator, any numbnuts with a good-sized fishing boat would have had a good chance of surviving the Flood, albeit without any livestock or anything. Which would sort of defeat the stated purpose of the flood, and the narrative, although the story of the random guy who saved his family from the Flood with no advance warning whatsoever would be hilarious.

Plus, most of the new 'ocean' created by a world-drowning flood would cover land, not just shallow water in which a big floating barge-ark could drown. So if you had to run aground in some totally random spot as the waters subsided, you'd be a lot more likely to run aground on some random continental landmass that's normally 500m above sea level than on some reef that's normally 5m below sea level.

[LaCroix]

What's much more dazzling.

Ark gets floated in Palestine.
Ark is getting tossed over the new ocean by storms.
Ark is slowly lowered by draining water, which would mean that there is a lot of current.
Ark strands in Palestine...

That must have been a hell of an anchor line...

[Ultonius]

My confessedly limited understanding of how theologians organize canon is that Abraham, the first Jew and worshiper of the true God, was a Babylonian merchant and all biblical history predating Abraham is either Babylonian myth or heavily based in it, revisionist versions of the story with one God instead of a pantheon. Opinions do differ, but I believe this is widely accepted.

He was probably Babylonian in the sense that his home city, Ur, was part of the Babylonian Empire, but his ethnicity doesn't seem to be as clear, since Ur had been controlled by several different peoples, including Sumerians and Akkadians. According to Wikipedia, his name may have been Akkadian in origin, with a Hebrew meaning of 'Father of Many Nations' tacked on at a later date.

Also, strictly speaking he was a Hebrew, not a Jew, since the latter term comes from Judaean, which originally referred to a member of the tribe of Judah. The tribe of Judah was the dominant tribe in the kingdom of Judah, formed after a succession dispute following Solomon's death, and after the northern Kingdom of Israel was conquered by the Assyrians, the term gradually came to refer to all Israelites, though people still maintained distinct tribal identities as late as New Testament times - Paul called himself a member of the tribe of Benjamin. Even today, members of the tribe of Levi, especially the priestly kohanim families, still maintain a distinct identity, at least within Orthodox Judaism.

[Irbis]

What's much more dazzling.

Ark gets floated in Palestine.
Ark is getting tossed over the new ocean by storms.
Ark is slowly lowered by draining water, which would mean that there is a lot of current.
Ark strands in Palestine...

That must have been a hell of an anchor line...

Um, Palestine?

Maybe I don't remember something, but Mount Ararat, where Ark supposedly ended up, is on Turkey/Armenia border...

Also, given that Ark got stranded halfway on Mount Ararat, which is 6 km tall, means every piece of arable land ended up 6 km under salt water. Ask yourselves what pressures are recorded 6 km depth and how many plants would survive 40 days in place that can squeeze armoured nuclear submarine like toothpaste (hell, even without pressure osmosis would have ripped them apart). All the animals Noe got on his Ark would be good for is food for family of humans that suddenly found themselves in place as barren as the Moon.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Clearly God invented Clown cars.

he also managed to get Pi to equal three....

[EnterpriseSovereign]

Not that it makes any difference to the effects to anything underneath, but halfway up Mt Arrarat is 3km, not 6

[Irbis]

Um, the Bible story goes the tip was entirely under water, on 40th day Noe sees tip, swims to it, receding waters strand ark halfway up the mountain. At least that's what I remember from 'religion' classes and reading tales of whackos who found petrified 'remains' of Ark on Mt Ararat. That is, dozen Arks if they are all to be believed, but meh.

[The Yosemite Bear]

Hey I'm wondering how about the pepalese?, they got plenty of high altitude terf they could have moved to during the flood that shows no geologic signs of having happened.... Should we bring up other cultures callenders going past that 6000 year mark?

[Sea Skimmer]

Easy simple totally rational all questions answered solution is the mountain sank as all the water drained out from inside the earth to flood the surface, then rose as it drained back down. Also the flood water may have been fresh, and giant oceans of fresh and salt water wont mix in only 40 days. The Amazon river is able to push freshwater 200nm out into the Atlantic on a regular basis, and at times much further.

[Irbis]

Hmm. Ok, let's assume saltiness and pressure aren't a problem. How about we do some SCIENCE and place a specimen of, say, wheat (and to be totally sure, seeds as well) in glass jar of non-salty, non-overpressurized water for 40 days and see if it's still viable after that?

[SilverWingedSeraph]

The "Noarkian Flood" lasted for five or six months, or possibly over a year in the original narrative of the story. It was the initial rain that lasted 40 days and nights.

[Irbis]

The "Noarkian Flood" lasted for five or six months, or possibly over a year in the original narrative of the story. It was the initial rain that lasted 40 days and nights.

Yes, but we're trying to be conservative here in case of fundies pointing out we can't really define that time

In any way, even 40 days are way overkill, 1 year is about enough to kill everyone on Ark due to lack of food and water poisoning even if the damned thing was Nimitz-sized...