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Palpatine could easily have escaped from the Death Star if Luke hadn't killed him. Luke managed it while dragging his dying/dead father.

And I can see Luke doing interviews and propaganda. He's a hero of the rebellion, the last Jedi, and the first of the new Jedi. Though he might want to keep who his father is a secret.

Havok wrote:What Skywalker legend? Nobody knows what he fucking did. I mean sure he was debriefed but he has no obligation to tell any one and do you think he is sitting down for interviews or propaganda pieces.

Even then who cares, Lando and Wedge blew up the Death Star and the Emperor would have died anyway.

I imagine it would have been spread as a propaganda thing, yes. Or just become known once people started asking who the hell this guy setting up a new Jedi order was.

The Romulan Republic wrote:And I can see Luke doing interviews and propaganda. He's a hero of the rebellion, the last Jedi, and the first of the new Jedi. Though he might want to keep who his father is a secret.

I liked how one EU book had Luke embarking on a quest to find out who his mother was and Leia just sighs and says, "Look, Luke, I didn't want to tell you this, but we get like a dozen or so women a month claiming to have been our mother. The security people call them 'Mad Mommas.' Some of them aren't even the right species, but they're all convinced they married the monster."

Perhaps that means Vader had an active post Padme sex life? Wouldn't that be great fodder for the EU, dozens of illegitimates walking around a la King Robert!

I also think the EU takes a rather childish course on how the populous at large would view Jedi once again trying (and succeeding) in murdering their sovereign. Most of the core worlds, by far the most powerful and populous, were not nearly as anti Empire as the outer rim. Hell, most of them may have down right loved the man. And no matter who you are you grew up with the recent history of the last Jedi Order who attempted to extra judiciously murder the then Chancellor on the eve of his great Clone War victory (the populous doesn't know what we know) I doubt they would be very receptive to the Rebel Alliance overtly coopting the Jedi wholesale into their Endor story. Jedi = traitor in the immediate Endor post world and has for at least 30 odd years. If you are born since them you may not even know who they are, as Luke demonstrates. It would be like asking your average teenager old about the Khmer Rouge. "Yeah, I think I heard of them, isn't that a resturaunt chain or somehting?"


If I were them I would keep the Jedi part of it on the down low for a bit until Luke had created a cadre of very obviously not evil apprentices, and also so that the Rebels have a bit more time to let their information about what really happened regarding Palpantine to filter through the rapidly deteriorating Imperial propaganda machine.

That being said, when exactly did the details of the Palpantine's pre Empire machinations become common knowledge even amongst the Rebels?

DP, Sorry.

Patroklos wrote:Perhaps that means Vader had an active post Padme sex life? Wouldn't that be great fodder for the EU, dozens of illegitimates walking around a la King Robert!

I also think the EU takes a rather childish course on how the populous at large would view Jedi once again trying (and succeeding) in murdering their sovereign. Most of the core worlds, by far the most powerful and populous, were not nearly as anti Empire as the outer rim. Hell, most of them may have down right loved the man. And no matter who you are you grew up with the recent history of the last Jedi Order who attempted to extra judiciously murder the then Chancellor on the eve of his great Clone War victory (the populous doesn't know what we know) I doubt they would be very receptive to the Rebel Alliance overtly coopting the Jedi wholesale into their Endor story. Jedi = traitor in the immediate Endor post world and has for at least 30 odd years. If you are born since them you may not even know who they are, as Luke demonstrates. It would be like asking your average teenager old about the Khmer Rouge. "Yeah, I think I heard of them, isn't that a resturaunt chain or somehting?"


If I were them I would keep the Jedi part of it on the down low for a bit until Luke had created a cadre of very obviously not evil apprentices, and also so that the Rebels have a bit more time to let their information about what really happened regarding Palpantine to filter through the rapidly deteriorating Imperial propaganda machine.

That being said, when exactly did the details of the Palpantine's pre Empire machinations become common knowledge even amongst the Rebels?

I doubt Vader had a sex life because his genitals were probably burned.

Some core worlds may have liked Palpatine, or at least most of the rich humans from some core worlds may have liked him, but a lot of rebels came from Corillea and Alderan. And I think Alderan's fate might have upset the core worlds.

The Romulan Republic wrote:

Patroklos wrote:Perhaps that means Vader had an active post Padme sex life? Wouldn't that be great fodder for the EU, dozens of illegitimates walking around a la King Robert!

I also think the EU takes a rather childish course on how the populous at large would view Jedi once again trying (and succeeding) in murdering their sovereign. Most of the core worlds, by far the most powerful and populous, were not nearly as anti Empire as the outer rim. Hell, most of them may have down right loved the man. And no matter who you are you grew up with the recent history of the last Jedi Order who attempted to extra judiciously murder the then Chancellor on the eve of his great Clone War victory (the populous doesn't know what we know) I doubt they would be very receptive to the Rebel Alliance overtly coopting the Jedi wholesale into their Endor story. Jedi = traitor in the immediate Endor post world and has for at least 30 odd years. If you are born since them you may not even know who they are, as Luke demonstrates. It would be like asking your average teenager old about the Khmer Rouge. "Yeah, I think I heard of them, isn't that a resturaunt chain or somehting?"


If I were them I would keep the Jedi part of it on the down low for a bit until Luke had created a cadre of very obviously not evil apprentices, and also so that the Rebels have a bit more time to let their information about what really happened regarding Palpantine to filter through the rapidly deteriorating Imperial propaganda machine.

That being said, when exactly did the details of the Palpantine's pre Empire machinations become common knowledge even amongst the Rebels?

I doubt Vader had a sex life because his genitals were probably burned.

Some core worlds may have liked Palpatine, or at least most of the rich humans from some core worlds may have liked him, but a lot of rebels came from Corillea and Alderan. And I think Alderan's fate might have upset the core worlds.

Was it ever touched upon that the Empire blamed the destruction of Alderaan on the Rebel Alliance like in the horrid SWG game or was that deemed too fucking stupid even for the EU novels?

Flagg wrote:Was it ever touched upon that the Empire blamed the destruction of Alderaan on the Rebel Alliance like in the horrid SWG game or was that deemed too fucking stupid even for the EU novels?

Off the top of my head, the X-Wing books said the Empire put out some propaganda about the Rebels stealing an Imperial ore extractor and using it to destroy Alderaan. But it was presented as blatant BS that you'd have to be a drooling retard to believe.

Ralin wrote:

Flagg wrote:Was it ever touched upon that the Empire blamed the destruction of Alderaan on the Rebel Alliance like in the horrid SWG game or was that deemed too fucking stupid even for the EU novels?

Off the top of my head, the X-Wing books said the Empire put out some propaganda about the Rebels stealing an Imperial ore extractor and using it to destroy Alderaan. But it was presented as blatant BS that you'd have to be a drooling retard to believe.

Actually that was about Endor, saying that the Rebels had stolen the extractor and were going to use it on Inhabited Imperial worlds (rather than the uninhabited rocks the Empire intended) and that the small and outgunned Imperial fleet decisively engaged the much larger Rebel fleet. Wedge Antilles remarks mentally that even though he was at Endor and knew the truth, this Imperial version as presented was just as compelling.

Eternal_Freedom wrote:Actually that was about Endor, saying that the Rebels had stolen the extractor and were going to use it on Inhabited Imperial worlds (rather than the uninhabited rocks the Empire intended) and that the small and outgunned Imperial fleet decisively engaged the much larger Rebel fleet. Wedge Antilles remarks mentally that even though he was at Endor and knew the truth, this Imperial version as presented was just as compelling.

Ah, my bad. I've always been an EU fan, but it's been years since I've followed or read most of it.

Maybe I was mixing it up with the Tycho parts? He was the one from Alderaan, and he mentioned that there were either rumors or official word that the Rebels did it, and that he instantly called BS on it.

Though, would it really be that stupid to try to say the Rebels blew up Alderaan? The idea was to terrify any opposition into submission with the fear of having the same done to their world, and that plan falls apart if you don't have a Death Star to back it up. The Empire presumably controls the major news outlets, and the eyewitnesses boil down to the Rebels, who have every reason to lie, the people who were on Alderaan, who clearly won't be giving interviews and the Imperials on the Death Star, most of whom are similarly dead.

Havok wrote:What Skywalker legend? Nobody knows what he fucking did. I mean sure he was debriefed but he has no obligation to tell any one and do you think he is sitting down for interviews or propaganda pieces.

Even then who cares, Lando and Wedge blew up the Death Star and the Emperor would have died anyway.

I think in the EU, most people think that Luke killed both the Emperor and Darth Vader.

Guardsman Bass wrote:I think in the EU, most people think that Luke killed both the Emperor and Darth Vader.

I'm not sure if it was the Black Fleet books or somewhere early in the New Jedi Order, but I remember there being a scene where a senator on Coruscant went on a tirade about how they were "Giving the son of Darth Vader a golden chance to follow in his father's footsteps."

But then, it's a big galaxy.

At least in the early post-ROTJ EU, while Luke did his level best to make it clear that it was Vader who killed the Emperor and saved his life, yes, if I recall correctly the general populace was 'yeah, right' and assumed Luke killed them both and won the day.

Ralin wrote:

Flagg wrote:Was it ever touched upon that the Empire blamed the destruction of Alderaan on the Rebel Alliance like in the horrid SWG game or was that deemed too fucking stupid even for the EU novels?

Off the top of my head, the X-Wing books said the Empire put out some propaganda about the Rebels stealing an Imperial ore extractor and using it to destroy Alderaan. But it was presented as blatant BS that you'd have to be a drooling retard to believe.

Oh you mean how like German citizens didn't believe Jews were the cause of all their problems? Never underestimate the stupidity of the masses, their want to blame shit on other people or the stunning ability to look the other way.

Havok wrote:

Ralin wrote:

Flagg wrote:Was it ever touched upon that the Empire blamed the destruction of Alderaan on the Rebel Alliance like in the horrid SWG game or was that deemed too fucking stupid even for the EU novels?

Off the top of my head, the X-Wing books said the Empire put out some propaganda about the Rebels stealing an Imperial ore extractor and using it to destroy Alderaan. But it was presented as blatant BS that you'd have to be a drooling retard to believe.

Oh you mean how like German citizens didn't believe Jews were the cause of all their problems? Never underestimate the stupidity of the masses, their want to blame shit on other people or the stunning ability to look the other way.

To expand on this the Death Star was officially called the Imperial Planetary Ore Extractor. I don't recall have the books on hand anymore (sadly) but I distinctly recall the propaganda was the second death star was Rebel constructed and the Emperor got aboard while his fleet kept the Rebels occupied and the Emperor destroyed the second death star as an act of peerless self sacrifice.

Which let me tell you is genius PR. Because who would be dumb enough to build two of the damn things.

That is some pretty great PR right there.
I would actually read that fan fiction.

The Empire could probably get away with denying the Death Stars by going "Really? Enough firepower to destroy a planet? Do you have any idea how much energy that would require? It'd take more than half the Imperial starfleet with more firepower than I've ever seen."

Press conference over.

What use a terror weapon if no one knows about it and thus are not terrorized by it?

Wasn't the Empire's "official" line about Alderaan that its destruction was necessary to prevent Bail Organa from releasing some form of bioweapon? I could have sworn I read that in one of the chronologies.

Flagg wrote:What use a terror weapon if no one knows about it and thus are not terrorized by it?

This is true, but seeing as both of the Death Stars were blown up before seeing much use it's not as if the Empire would have much incentive to go on about how terrifyingly powerful they were. It'd be best to deny the whole thing until a new one was built, which was apparently the plan right up until the second one was blown up before it was even finished.

The Disintegrator wrote:

Flagg wrote:What use a terror weapon if no one knows about it and thus are not terrorized by it?

This is true, but seeing as both of the Death Stars were blown up before seeing much use it's not as if the Empire would have much incentive to go on about how terrifyingly powerful they were. It'd be best to deny the whole thing until a new one was built, which was apparently the plan right up until the second one was blown up before it was even finished.

Well yeah, but you seemed to be implying they would be kept secret.

Flagg wrote:Well yeah, but you seemed to be implying they would be kept secret.

They were kept secret?

The Disintegrator wrote: It'd be best to deny the whole thing until a new one was built, which was apparently the plan right up until the second one was blown up before it was even finished.

Did you miss the whole thing about "Now witness the firepower of this fully ARMED and OPERATIONAL battle station!" and "it's a trap!" ???

They made it a 'secret' so that the rebs would find out...

Covenant wrote:There's a ton of universe out there to explore, but they keep it so small and messy by tying it back to these same characters. I really don't need to hear about the Skywalkers anymore in Star Wars to feel satisfied that it is a Star Wars movie. Plus you run the serious risk of making it into one of those uncomfortable call-backs to an earlier movie, the way Crystal Skull was, that only makes you remember how the old characters were and why you don't really like this new one.

I really think the mythic aspects of Star Wars and the grand tapestry that left all this open space to imagine... that was really important to the success. But if we start diving into the nature of people's kids, ugh, I just think it starts expanding the network of "Shit I need to know to enjoy the movie properly" far too much.

This pretty much sums up everything, I think. This new Star Wars movie is sounding more and more like another stupid nostalgia cash-in. I'm really bored of being cynical about this stuff, but has there ever been a time when a sequel which emerged 20+ years after the originals has actually been a worthwhile film on it's own and not just "hey remember how awesome this shit was when you were a kid!"?

But I guess Disney figures they just spent billions on the Star Wars name, they want to get everything out of it they can. But really, the best way to cash-in on the Star Wars brand at this point is probably to just create entirely new characters, new plot arcs, etc. The Skywalker saga is really about Anakin and his son, and there's nothing really worthwhile to explore after that. Who cares what Luke's kids are doing 40 years later?

Channel72 wrote: This pretty much sums up everything, I think. This new Star Wars movie is sounding more and more like another stupid nostalgia cash-in. I'm really bored of being cynical about this stuff, but has there ever been a time when a sequel which emerged 20+ years after the originals has actually been a worthwhile film on it's own and not just "hey remember how awesome this shit was when you were a kid!"?

The worse thing would be Disney announcing that we will have a Star Wars movie every two years or so. I wonder if the audience would grow tired of the Star Wars franchise if they are being flooded with Star Wars movies.

Channel72 wrote:But I guess Disney figures they just spent billions on the Star Wars name, they want to get everything out of it they can. But really, the best way to cash-in on the Star Wars brand at this point is probably to just create entirely new characters, new plot arcs, etc. The Skywalker saga is really about Anakin and his son, and there's nothing really worthwhile to explore after that. Who cares what Luke's kids are doing 40 years later?

That will likely come in the follow-up movies, if the first Disney one is a big hit. But I don't blame Disney for tying things in hard to the previous movies for the first one. It's probably going to cost them $400-500 million in production and marketing costs to make it, and that is not a situation that's conducive towards any type of risk in film-making.

Just be patient, and we'll get new stuff once they pull off a mega-hit to get it started. If they pull it off, of course, but I think that any Star Wars movie is going to bring in $300 million minimum worldwide box office just off the name.

ray245 wrote:The worse thing would be Disney announcing that we will have a Star Wars movie every two years or so. I wonder if the audience would grow tired of the Star Wars franchise if they are being flooded with Star Wars movies.

It hasn't happened yet with the Marvel comic book movies. It might (the Tobey Maguire Spiderman movies had worn out their welcome by Spider-Man 3), but it hasn't happened yet.