Stalin and Mao. Those two have caused more death and destruction than all religions combined in the entire history of humanity.Frank Hipper wrote:Destructive? Got examples of ATHEISM being destructive?
1. Atheism is a belief system based upon the ridiculous claim that there is no God.Simon H.Johansen wrote:1. Atheism is not a belief system, it is only the idea that there is no such thing as god.
2. How do you explain that religious people have engaged in questionable behaviour, in order to force their beliefs upon others??
2. They rejected the word of God and were succumbed by desire, greed, and anger.
Christianity has resulted in more good than harm, so why bitch? At least Christianity didn't give rise to megalomaniacs such as Stalin and Osama bin laden.Arrow Mk84 wrote:As if Christianity has given any better. At least the pagans were religious tolerant.
Also, broad type casting, like the one you've made about atheist, is an excellent example of religious intolerance. Look at yourself before you bash someone else.
Oh, and to this atheist, rape is wrong, period. That doesn't fit your sterotype, does it? Its funny, you've defended the statement that atheist are intolerant and bigoted, while you've been nothing but through the whole argument.
And you have such a noble sentiment there: "[R]ape is wrong, period." It's quite unfortunate that other atheists are not necessarily going to adopt that same view considering they have no reason to believe what you think about rape to be right.
How can God be subordinate to morality when He is its very creator? God is not bound to any laws and cannot be judged. Furthermore, God is infallible and always just. All you need to know is that God always does things for a reason, and that reason is always just and innately good.Mr Flibble wrote:You are accusing all atheists of being moral relativists, yet you give God an exemption card from morality?
We are the ones affected by this supposed deities actions, so we have every right to judge what it is doing.
If you actually had a modicum of understanding of the consequences that come with atheism and its doctrine of "No God!!", then you'd understand the nature of morality for the atheist -- namely, that morality is what one makes of it and no one is truly right or wrong. Disturbing to say the least!!I am an antheist. I consider Culture B is right. I have thereofre disproved you silly generalisation that all atheists would consider neither right/wrpmg. Atheism says nothing about morality. All atheism is, is a lack of belief in a deity.
The fundies quoted do not represent Christianity, they are merely a fringe group gone mad. As for the Muslims... well, they can delude themselves all they want, but God is about love and harmony, not submission, death, and destruction.And in my experience the reverse is true, but our individual experience is irrelevant, as neither of us has encourtered enough peopl;e to make an accurate sample, nor is either of us unbiased. However I suggest you look at the quotes on the page linked at the beggining of this thread to see aome good examples of "men of lofty religions" who are definately not compassionate nor peaceful. And by the way, I should point out that many muslims may consider themselves to be 'men of a lofty religion'.
For somone who is criticising atheists for being bigotted that is a bigoted statement against muslims.
Again, God is not bound to morality, so you cannot objectively deem God cruel and evil; that is merely your subjective opinion of Him, which is blatantly false.SirNitram wrote:Idiot mortal. Your 'God' is an amoral asshole who slew an entire world, is this the morality we should follow? Nay, of course not. Your God may not be as blind or dumb as Azathoth, nor as drunken as Dionysis, but he is certainly cruel and evil by any objective analysis.
The morality decreed by God is absolute and universal, and that is what we should follow. We should not be confused by His actions because all we need to understand is that God is free to do as He pleases without negating His perfect nature; we don't have the same luxury.
Ahh, yes, the Golden Rule. It's quite unfortunate no atheist is obligated to submit to it. A bit ironic though, that secular humanists base their morality on a universally-revered theistic principle yet are quick to dismiss religion and religious morality as inherently evil...So yes, morality does flow from me to myself, as every other mortal can. It requires one to take responsibility.. Something idiots and toadies like you rarely are capable of. Secular humanist morals are based on what harms people.. Things like murder, rape, theft, et cetera. They do not allow loopholes, like your Christianity does.
Considering that God is all-powerful and all-knowing, infallible and perfect, I would be inclined to think that God does what is necessary. God is neither grumpy, stupid, heartless, or any other negative adjective you'd like to ascribe to Him.So, little idiot, how is it better to listen to a God who kills thousands, perhaps millions, because he is a little grumpy, than to understand some actions cause damage and thus not do them?
Nothing wrong with that, unless those people begin undermining society, as atheists and Muslims have.Thirdfain wrote:Absolutly, I believe that Christianity is just as delusional, just as much a fairy tale, as Islam, or Judaism, or Hinduism, or any of the other tribal creation myths we see floating around today. The difference is, I don't condemn those who embrace religeon as being "morally repugnant." I don't assume that, simply by virtue of going to a certain church, a person is doomed to an eternity in hell. I don't attempt to preach to the masses that they are horribly wrong, and shall suffer for their sins. I let people do what they please.
What Bible have you been reading?! Christians are not obligated to follow the OT, so don't even think of throwing that in my face.I find the Christian beliefs wrong not because they are different from my own, but because of what they are. The Bible asks us to condemn gays, "Heathens," women. The Old Testament is a war story, about one group of fanatics trying to gain regional supremacy, using terror tactics and genocide. It isn't a story of love, or human decency- it is the chronical of a monsterous mythological figure, who incites his followers to cause pain and suffering. It is irrational, and disgusting.
No, they've merely killed killed a hundred million+ people... and they continue to kill today (abortion).That's the difference between the Atheist assertion that Christianity is wrong, and the Christian assertion that Atheism is wrong. Atheists have never lead crusades or started inquisitions, friend.
