Why do people think the Andromeda is so powerful?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-13 03:47am

The nutronium is laced into it, in very small spheres, as has been suggested, that means it can still be bent

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-09-13 04:58am

To all the fucking geniuses here, the fucking neutronium is in very small quantities and is not there for tensile-fucking-strenght but to absorb energy from weapons.

Tensile strenght most likely comes from a separate material that would be an integral part of the armor.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-13 05:14am

didn't I just say that?

His Divine Shadow · Post by **His Divine Shadow** » 2002-09-13 05:23am

NecronLord wrote:didn't I just say that?

Maybe you did, but I don't think I meant to address you.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-13 05:27am

Ah right

It might, emphasis on might be able to beat an ISD, but what about the Scythe i mentioned, or an ROU?

omegaLancer · Post by **omegaLancer** » 2002-09-13 06:02am

[quote]NecronLord Posted: Fri Sep 13, 2002 4:27 am Post subject:

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Ah right

It might, emphasis on might be able to beat an ISD, but what about the Scythe i mentioned, or an ROU?

What is is a Scythe or an ROU?....

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-13 06:47am

The Scythe class is the basic necron cruiser, It can cross the galaxy in under a second, and has weapons of "godlike power"

An ROU is a Rapid Offensive Unit, a culture warship, and is scarily resiliant, not that the andromeda ascendant would get to hit it

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-09-13 10:45am

NecronLord wrote:The Scythe class is the basic necron cruiser, It can cross the galaxy in under a second, and has weapons of "godlike power"

An ROU is a Rapid Offensive Unit, a culture warship, and is scarily resiliant, not that the andromeda ascendant would get to hit it

You're just a cruel individual.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-09-13 10:56am

Ignoring the idiots who actually think the Strong Nuclear Force could be held back by gravity(Hint for the stupid: Gravity is a weak force), I should point out the biggest reason to assume Neutronium is infect the stellar stuff and not a normal element or a transuranic.

Thermal capacity.

The dura-armour(Which, for hte morons in the crowd, is not durasteel. The two are different) of an Acclamator is stated to shrug off fusion missile strikes without a scratch(Ep II ICS).

Fleets enduring at least ten minutes of fire from multi-gigaton turbolasers without shields(ROTJ)(Hint for the stupid: I'm being generous. I'm assuming no Mon Cal had a heavy turbolaser battery, because those are a lot more powerful).

And every other time unshielded ships trade fire.

No normal metal can withstand this. Hell, the first theorized stable transuranic, Eka-lead, is predicted to have a melting point of 70 C, boiling point of 150 C, and be 25% more massive than lead. That's alot, but it won't handle this level of thermal energy.

In short, my theory wins by staying within known elements and not throwing out evidence. As for the neutronium on the planet? 250,000 years of FTL travel. Something could have easily crashed there mileenia ago, and the hull is still on the surface.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-13 01:32pm

SirNitram wrote:
NecronLord wrote:The Scythe class is the basic necron cruiser, It can cross the galaxy in under a second, and has weapons of "godlike power"

An ROU is a Rapid Offensive Unit, a culture warship, and is scarily resiliant, not that the andromeda ascendant would get to hit it
You're just a cruel individual.

Well I decided that this was becoming too much ISD vs AA
so I decided to put her back in her place.

ClaysGhost · Post by **ClaysGhost** » 2002-09-13 01:46pm

SirNitram wrote:Ignoring the idiots who actually think the Strong Nuclear Force could be held back by gravity(Hint for the stupid: Gravity is a weak force)

I think you should google for "neutron star", contact every active research group you find in the results and tell them that they've got it all wrong. Do it quickly, they're wasting Your Tax Dollars on this

Aside from that (and hopefully less annoyingly) I'm curious to know why you think neutronium would be good for anything. As far as I can see, the pros vs. cons are these:

Pros

a) Nobody knows the equation of state for neutronium, hence maybe it is really tough! Ahahaha!

b) It has a cool name.

c) Er. I can't think of others. Maybe it's good as part of a calorie controlled diet.

Cons

a) Nobody knows the equation of state for neutronium, hence those physical properties might turn out to be embarrasingly poor.

b) It's not going to be stable without the kind of pressures that only a large star compressed into about the size of a city can provide. Look at conventional materials. The bigger your nucleus, the less stable they become. Neutronium is one big nucleus, and the only reason it's stable inside neutron stars is that energetically, it has no choice about the matter.

c) How can you include it in a mixture, as was being suggested? It's going to be chemically inert, even if it can hold together itself. Neutronium would only stick through the strong force, and so to the nuclei of the other elements in the mixture. Interesting things could happen there - maybe the neutronium would cause the mixture to start fission. Spheres of embedded neutronium in the mixture are out of the question, they need something to hold them in the mix and neutronium won't interest electrons.

d) Are neutron-enriched alloys really a good idea? When the whole bizzare armour structure falls apart under TL bombardment, do you really want hard neutron radiation to be emitted by the disintegrating neutronium?

e) The armour would be as dense as sin. It's well known that most of an atom is "empty" space, but if you fill the same region with neutrons you'd end up with some shocking figures. SDs all seem to have these "always on" rocket motors on the back, so I can't imagine that unnecessarily massive armour would be a happy thing for them.

In short, my theory wins by staying within known elements and not throwing out evidence. As for the neutronium on the planet? 250,000 years of FTL travel. Something could have easily crashed there mileenia ago, and the hull is still on the surface.

Known elements? Can you tell me the heat capacity of neutronium? For all we know, deuterium is tougher!

Crossover_Maniac · Post by **Crossover_Maniac** » 2002-09-13 01:48pm

SirNitram wrote:Ignoring the idiots who actually think the Strong Nuclear Force could be held back by gravity(Hint for the stupid: Gravity is a weak force),

Explain black holes you zit-faced loser. Gravity is proportional to mass and inversely proportional to distance squared. IOW: a lot of mass (at least the mass of the sun) in a small compact space (a neutron star) will create intense gravitational fields (several hundred billion g's).

[SNIP]

In short, my theory wins by staying within known elements and not throwing out evidence. As for the neutronium on the planet? 250,000 years of FTL travel. Something could have easily crashed there mileenia ago, and the hull is still on the surface.

Did you steal that argument from the Trekkies to explain the existance of duranium deposits under the surface of planets?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-13 01:49pm

Pressure=heat, interchangable

or did you think that the core of jupiter is tepid?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-13 01:51pm

small magnet

paper clip

earths mass

which is gonna win assuming they both start touching the paperclip?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-09-13 01:51pm

Crossover_Maniac wrote:
SirNitram wrote:Ignoring the idiots who actually think the Strong Nuclear Force could be held back by gravity(Hint for the stupid: Gravity is a weak force),
Explain black holes you zit-faced loser. Gravity is proportional to mass and inversely proportional to distance squared. IOW: a lot of mass (at least the mass of the sun) in a small compact space (a neutron star) will create intense gravitational fields (several hundred billion g's).

Take a small magnet. Pick up a peice of metal with it. That tiny magnet is overpowering the gravity of the entire planet. Gravity is a weak force. That does not mean all gravitational fields are weak, just that you have no fucking clue what you're on about.

[SNIP]

In short, my theory wins by staying within known elements and not throwing out evidence. As for the neutronium on the planet? 250,000 years of FTL travel. Something could have easily crashed there mileenia ago, and the hull is still on the surface.
Did you steal that argument from the Trekkies to explain the existance of duranium deposits under the surface of planets?

No. Did you take your excuse for a brain from Igor's trash?

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-13 01:52pm

force generated by my arm

CD

Earths mass

guess which one won?

Crossover_Maniac · Post by **Crossover_Maniac** » 2002-09-13 01:52pm

His Divine Shadow wrote:To all the fucking geniuses here, the fucking neutronium is in very small quantities and is not there for tensile-fucking-strenght but to absorb energy from weapons.

Tensile strenght most likely comes from a separate material that would be an integral part of the armor.

Which makes Imperial armor useless against low energy-high momentum weapons like the OM-5's and smart-missiles that causes all of its damage by momentum transfer.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-09-13 01:54pm

Crossover_Maniac wrote:
His Divine Shadow wrote:To all the fucking geniuses here, the fucking neutronium is in very small quantities and is not there for tensile-fucking-strenght but to absorb energy from weapons.

Tensile strenght most likely comes from a separate material that would be an integral part of the armor.
Which makes Imperial armor useless against low energy-high momentum weapons like the OM-5's and smart-missiles that causes all of its damage by momentum transfer.

Particle shields, however, will easily block them.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-13 01:54pm

idiot, that makes the nutronium content useless.

Unrelated Point
which reminds me, when she launches all those missiles, what does the AA do with the force acting on her?

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-09-13 01:54pm

NecronLord wrote:force generated by my arm

CD

Earths mass

guess which one won?

Don't confuse them, they want to claim gravitic shields are stronger than electromagnetic ones.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-13 01:56pm

big glob of Burning glucose > Gravity sheilding

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2002-09-13 01:56pm

NecronLord wrote:big glob of Burning glucose > Gravity sheilding

You can hear their worldviews collasping.

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-13 01:57pm

Post by **NecronLord** » 2002-09-13 01:59pm

Oh no, theyr'e using gravitational shilding!

load the shugar torpedo!

ClaysGhost · Post by **ClaysGhost** » 2002-09-13 02:38pm

Take a small magnet. Pick up a peice of metal with it. That tiny magnet is overpowering the gravity of the entire planet. Gravity is a weak force. That does not mean all gravitational fields are weak, just that you have no fucking clue what you're on about.

Put enough mass in a star and the pressures generated at the core will overcome the strong force, hence this neutronium we're all so excited about. Maybe this isn't direct enough for you, but without gravity, the strong force wouldn't have any problems in this situation and neutronium wouldn't be so well-known.

You could always email those research groups I mentioned earlier and ask them exactly why they consider gravity important in neutron star formation

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