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insidentally ROST confirms the EU about Corrillian Corvetes having modular Configuration capabilities.

Offhand it's probably easier to assume the Ep III tantive IV is the refitted one taht was later reverted to "standard" so we can explain all the corvettes in Ep VI who look nothing like EpIII tantive IV.

edit: why? so that it will blend in better since it's being used for all manner of illegal shennenigans perhaps

We have yet another confirmed sighting of an ion canon being fired, as well as a close-in view of the results. Namely, the Invisible Hand's 6 to a side, 4.8 MT, droid-manned, case-ejecting point-defense ion cannons.

Identification as ion cannons and yield stated by ICS. Sorry IP, they aren't torp launchers, you read it wrong. The torp tubes are those hundreds of little holes.

Darth Fanboy wrote: -Lightsabers have some weird properties! Yoda threw his saber, impaled a clone trooper and the blade stuck in the trooper armor before pulling it out. The blade stayed active while out of Yoda's hand when every lightsaber I can recall that has fallen from a Jedi's grip has deactivated (or been damaged).
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I mentioned this in the tech discussion thread: when Yoda throws his lightsaber at the clone, the clone catches it. Unfortunately for the clonetrooper, he had already been impaled. He then begins to slump to the ground, still holding the saber that has killed him. Yoda then jumped onto the falling body, grabbed the lightsaber, and pulled it back out. So lightsabers do not have any observed 'sticking' properties.

SVPD wrote:
The S-foils of the X-Wing is not new. Previous fighters also had "attack position" wings. Any insight as to why some types of ships have this variable geometry? In real-life fighters it's to adapt aerodynamics to the airspeed of the fighter, but I don't think that applies to the SW ships

Heat disappation comes to mind for why, more surface area to radiate it out from.

Psst. I already responded to that.

jasonicusuk wrote:

Hell the rotating motion may have come from Palpatine trying to push down on the pod once Yoda caught it.

That was more or less my thinking. I first thought that Yoda was trying to spin it in order to get some cutting effect, like if you were to throw a CD at someone, but it seemed wasteful under the circumstances.

I assumed the rotation would make it harder to manipulate by Palpatine, since it would have angular momentum to deal with as well as linear.


Also - Vader's armor was modified at least slightly between the end of RotS and the OT, in that the plates between and under the red lights aren't there.

Anakin's hand also seems rather rougher in design than Luke's hand. While the incidents are about 18 years apart, Anakin would have had the benefit of the best Republic medicine, while Luke's cybernetics came from the Rebels, who would presumably not have the top-notch medical equipment. Medtech may have advanced a good bit between the Separatist Civil War and the Rebellion.

I'm still surprised by how there seems to be a reliance on many small merchant ships (the Corvettes, the YT series, et cetera) when bulk shipment would make more sense economically. It seems that most worlds are mostly or entirely self-sufficient, relying only on small shipments of extraplanetary goods; it is possible that the primary goods shipped interstellar distances are high-value luxury goods. Coruscant would be very unusual in needing large numbers of cargo vessels carrying food for the city-world.

The Dark wrote:I'm still surprised by how there seems to be a reliance on many small merchant ships (the Corvettes, the YT series, et cetera) when bulk shipment would make more sense economically. It seems that most worlds are mostly or entirely self-sufficient, relying only on small shipments of extraplanetary goods; it is possible that the primary goods shipped interstellar distances are high-value luxury goods. Coruscant would be very unusual in needing large numbers of cargo vessels carrying food for the city-world.

This actually makes sense. Most worlds that can sustain life should be more or less self-sufficient for everything except for energy (at least, energy in the quantities that the Galactic Empire uses). This means that, as you mention, the primary goods of interstellar commerce are probably luxury goods (though I assume Kuat and other primarily industrial systems have large amounts of raw material imports).

I assumed the rotation would make it harder to manipulate by Palpatine, since it would have angular momentum to deal with as well as linear.

That would certainly match up with what we saw. Palpatine is indeed unable to repel the pod. I'm not sure if he tries first and then leaps aside, or if he simply reacts late. Its hard to tell with TK. My thoughts tell me the first option.

Darwin wrote:was just reviewing a little footage.

When Anakin takes down the Invisible Hand's hangar shield, he's firing the outside guns on his fighter (Marked as light ion guns in the DK books). This would make sense when he's taking down a ship subsystem. They fire green bolts, and the primary explosion is about the same size as one of the Invisible Hand's quad defense turrets.

Ion cannons are identified as firing plasma. There is no such thing as green plasma. Ergo, though the ICS shows this as Anakin's fighter, it is describing the generic fighter. Anakin likely swapped out the ion cannons for more lasers. There is further support for this as the ICS shot lacks the torpedo launchers mentioned in LoE.

Alan Bolte wrote:We have yet another confirmed sighting of an ion canon being fired, as well as a close-in view of the results. Namely, the Invisible Hand's 6 to a side, 4.8 MT, droid-manned, case-ejecting point-defense ion cannons.

Identification as ion cannons and yield stated by ICS. Sorry IP, they aren't torp launchers, you read it wrong. The torp tubes are those hundreds of little holes.

Prove it. The ion cannon is also mounted on the mass drivers per the ROTSVD. There is no listing of the massdrivers int he ICS despite the fact we were talking about them long before the book went to press, meaning that Dr. Saxton and them had to know far ahead of that. Likely result is that the mass drivers are the torp launchers, with ion cannons tacked on to try to give the ship added oomph - knock out shields witht he ion shot, then hit them with the torp.

Prove your claim that the mass diver is a seperate weapon and that they are the "little" holes (despite those "little" holes being multiple meters wide.

I watched the movie again, and the "non-Jango clone" was shown right before Obi-Wan takes off for the Utapau system, not right before Order 66 as I had thought.

The clone appears to be blonde and has paler skin than Jango Fett, as well as different facial structure.

However, I'm rescinding this as a proposal for the revelations page, since it is disputed. Even after a second viewing I cannot be positive it was not a trick of the light, and lack of confirmation from others leads me to suspect I am seeing things.

We know that Laia is probably more force sensitive than Luke. This is because she has memories of Padme, and an infant's eyes are closed and if they arent, the eyes are mostly non functional. The only way she could have percieved her mother is through the force.

Isn't pretty much univsersally accepted that Leia is likely referring to her foster mother (Bail Organa's Wife)? While Luke was growing up calling his maternal person "aunt beru" Leia was calling hers "mommy".

Admiral_K wrote:Isn't pretty much univsersally accepted that Leia is likely referring to her foster mother (Bail Organa's Wife)? While Luke was growing up calling his maternal person "aunt beru" Leia was calling hers "mommy".

Yes, but Luke asks her "Do you remember your mother? Your real mother?"

Darth Fanboy wrote:.

-Lightsabers have some weird properties! Yoda threw his saber, impaled a clone trooper and the blade stuck in the trooper armor before pulling it out. The blade stayed active while out of Yoda's hand when every lightsaber I can recall that has fallen from a Jedi's grip has deactivated (or been damaged).

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Forget you did Vader throwing his lightsaber at Luke.

Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:

Admiral_K wrote:Isn't pretty much univsersally accepted that Leia is likely referring to her foster mother (Bail Organa's Wife)? While Luke was growing up calling his maternal person "aunt beru" Leia was calling hers "mommy".

Yes, but Luke asks her "Do you remember your mother? Your real mother?"

As far as Leia knew, that was her real mother. She also likely had numerous other care givers being a princess and all.

I have not read the Visual Dictionary, and was not aware that anything had mentioned ion cannons being attached to the mass drivers. I find it odd that the ICS would leave out such important info, but that does seem to be the case. As for torpedoes, I was simply referencing the listed 102 proton torpedo tubes, which are indicated as including the line of holes that are much smaller than the shielded ports which mount the mass driver and/or ion cannon. Given that I can only see perhaps 20 to a side of this particular type of emplacement, I suppose it is reasonable to assume that the mass drivers are counted among the torpedo tubes. Even so, we do have a yield on the attached ion cannons, though I don't know that we ever see them fire.

Admiral_K wrote:

Grandmaster Jogurt wrote:

Admiral_K wrote:Isn't pretty much univsersally accepted that Leia is likely referring to her foster mother (Bail Organa's Wife)? While Luke was growing up calling his maternal person "aunt beru" Leia was calling hers "mommy".

Yes, but Luke asks her "Do you remember your mother? Your real mother?"

As far as Leia knew, that was her real mother. She also likely had numerous other care givers being a princess and all.

Then why wouldn't she have asked "What do you mean, my real mother" or something?
The fact remains that Luke stressed that he was asking about her real mother, and Leia answered that question with it's special emphasis without batting an eye.

How can this not show that she understood exactly what he was talking about?

Alan Bolte wrote:I have not read the Visual Dictionary, and was not aware that anything had mentioned ion cannons being attached to the mass drivers. I find it odd that the ICS would leave out such important info, but that does seem to be the case. As for torpedoes, I was simply referencing the listed 102 proton torpedo tubes, which are indicated as including the line of holes that are much smaller than the shielded ports which mount the mass driver and/or ion cannon. Given that I can only see perhaps 20 to a side of this particular type of emplacement, I suppose it is reasonable to assume that the mass drivers are counted among the torpedo tubes. Even so, we do have a yield on the attached ion cannons, though I don't know that we ever see them fire.

You can tell the scaling for the holes is wrong with your naked eye? Wow, I wish my brain did math that well.

Alan Bolte wrote:I have not read the Visual Dictionary, and was not aware that anything had mentioned ion cannons being attached to the mass drivers. I find it odd that the ICS would leave out such important info, but that does seem to be the case. As for torpedoes, I was simply referencing the listed 102 proton torpedo tubes, which are indicated as including the line of holes that are much smaller than the shielded ports which mount the mass driver and/or ion cannon. Given that I can only see perhaps 20 to a side of this particular type of emplacement, I suppose it is reasonable to assume that the mass drivers are counted among the torpedo tubes. Even so, we do have a yield on the attached ion cannons, though I don't know that we ever see them fire.

Nope, since the "point defense ion cannon" entry isn't pointing to the "Mass drivers"

Illuminatus Primus wrote:

Alan Bolte wrote:I have not read the Visual Dictionary, and was not aware that anything had mentioned ion cannons being attached to the mass drivers. I find it odd that the ICS would leave out such important info, but that does seem to be the case. As for torpedoes, I was simply referencing the listed 102 proton torpedo tubes, which are indicated as including the line of holes that are much smaller than the shielded ports which mount the mass driver and/or ion cannon. Given that I can only see perhaps 20 to a side of this particular type of emplacement, I suppose it is reasonable to assume that the mass drivers are counted among the torpedo tubes. Even so, we do have a yield on the attached ion cannons, though I don't know that we ever see them fire.

You can tell the scaling for the holes is wrong with your naked eye? Wow, I wish my brain did math that well.

the cannons are painted into the ICS entry, you can see them (including the ammo feed.) You can tell those gun ports are larger than the protorp tubes.

wilfulton wrote:R2's body cavity is also more or less soundproof, as he withdraws the communicator into it when trying to hide from the SBD's in the hangar.

Great...except that we can still hear the comlink after Artoo puts it in his compartment.

Connor MacLeod wrote:Nope, since the "point defense ion cannon" entry isn't pointing to the "Mass drivers"

This is a DK book. There's at least one misplaced line in every second entry.

Well, allow me to clarify, it's never off totally, just by perhaps a few millimeters. I think my favorite is one in the AOTC:ICS which calls an LAAT/i an LAAT/c, just by virtue of being off by a few millimeters.

Connor MacLeod wrote:the cannons are painted into the ICS entry, you can see them (including the ammo feed.) You can tell those gun ports are larger than the protorp tubes.

Where?

I see them over an inch to the right of the crease between pages, near the bottom. I think they're the same weapons shown in the movie, as well.

As for flaws in the callouts, the MTL entry for the Venator points to an unrelated structure forward of the MTL turret. I'm sure there are others I haven't seen or remember.