You=Imperial officer, which Trek race would you exterminate

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-03-02 04:46pm

It's also thousands of more star systems they would have to control with their "Doctrine of Fear". That would be quite a few Death Stars.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-03-02 04:48pm

Cos Dashit wrote:It's also thousands of more star systems they would have to control with their "Doctrine of Fear". That would be quite a few Death Stars.

One Death Star was considered sufficient, by Tarkin, to rule over 1 million full fledged Member Worlds and 50 million lesser worlds.

Ten thousand more worlds is a fart in the hurricane.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-03-02 04:54pm

I'm assuming that the Star Trek galaxy would not take to kindly to the Imperial takeover and offer up more resistance (number wise, not power wise) than the Star Wars galaxy. The worlds in Star Wars were more submissive probably, having already been under Imperial rule for about 15 years or so. The Trekkies would probably offer up more resistance initially, which would probably require a couple more Death Stars. That is, until they give a few Alderaan-like examples. But even then, perhaps the Borg and the Klingons would not give up.

Just a thought.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-03-02 04:56pm

Cos Dashit wrote:I'm assuming that the Star Trek galaxy would not take to kindly to the Imperial takeover and offer up more resistance (number wise, not power wise) than the Star Wars galaxy. The worlds in Star Wars were more submissive probably, having already been under Imperial rule for about 15 years or so. The Trekkies would probably offer up more resistance initially, which would probably require a couple more Death Stars. That is, until they give a few Alderaan-like examples. But even then, perhaps the Borg and the Klingons would not give up.

Just a thought.

The local tech level is such that ISD's can annihilate any resistance with ease; the Death Star is simply overkill, and the idea of needing multiple for a bunch of primitives who haven't even gotten beyond subspace to hyperdrive is laughable.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-03-02 05:01pm

SirNitram wrote:The local tech level is such that ISD's can annihilate any resistance with ease; the Death Star is simply overkill, and the idea of needing multiple for a bunch of primitives who haven't even gotten beyond subspace to hyperdrive is laughable.

Yes, obviously. I was just referring to the destruction of planets to intimidate the majority of the species. ISD's cannot destroy planets.

JediMaster415 · Post by **JediMaster415** » 2006-03-02 05:06pm

Cos Dashit wrote:
SirNitram wrote:The local tech level is such that ISD's can annihilate any resistance with ease; the Death Star is simply overkill, and the idea of needing multiple for a bunch of primitives who haven't even gotten beyond subspace to hyperdrive is laughable.
Yes, obviously. I was just referring to the destruction of planets to intimidate the majority of the species. ISD's cannot destroy planets.

No but they can render planets uninhabitable.

I'd probably try to kill the Vulcans and their off-shoots. Then the Borg, followed by the Dominion.

Set up a race for all the ships under my command. First ship to finish annihilating its target species gets four months leave at the ports of the crew's choice.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-03-02 05:07pm

Cos Dashit wrote:
SirNitram wrote:The local tech level is such that ISD's can annihilate any resistance with ease; the Death Star is simply overkill, and the idea of needing multiple for a bunch of primitives who haven't even gotten beyond subspace to hyperdrive is laughable.
Yes, obviously. I was just referring to the destruction of planets to intimidate the majority of the species. ISD's cannot destroy planets.

Melting the planetary crust and thus annihilating all life within an hour or so tends to be enough.

Noble Ire · Post by **Noble Ire** » 2006-03-02 05:08pm

Cos Dashit wrote:
SirNitram wrote:The local tech level is such that ISD's can annihilate any resistance with ease; the Death Star is simply overkill, and the idea of needing multiple for a bunch of primitives who haven't even gotten beyond subspace to hyperdrive is laughable.
Yes, obviously. I was just referring to the destruction of planets to intimidate the majority of the species. ISD's cannot destroy planets.

Have you never heard of a BDZ? A single ISD can literally melt the crust of a planet in less than a day. It may still exist, but I'd love to see anyone try to live on it. Even so, a Death Star does have a more primal and terrifying impact, but after a few Federation founding worlds and such are completely depolulated and irrevocably made unlivable and unrecognizable, the end effect is the same.

Perseid · Post by **Perseid** » 2006-03-02 05:23pm

I don't know which race I'd destroy, some of them are so stupid they don't deserve to continue to exist and others serve as a good example to the rest.

I think a game show would be required. Think Wheel of Fortune with a twist, all the species in the ST galaxy are listed on a giant wheel which is spun to see which one gets eliminated this week.

Maybe even have the option to [Palpatine] Wipe them out, all of them

[/Palpatine] and broadcast the results on all entertainment channels in both galaxies. The game show proceeds until either 1. theres no one left to destroy, or 2. all protests/rebelions or anything else the ST races might try stop.

Einhander Sn0m4n · Post by **Einhander Sn0m4n** » 2006-03-02 05:34pm

Cos Dashit wrote:
SirNitram wrote:The local tech level is such that ISD's can annihilate any resistance with ease; the Death Star is simply overkill, and the idea of needing multiple for a bunch of primitives who haven't even gotten beyond subspace to hyperdrive is laughable.
Yes, obviously. I was just referring to the destruction of planets to intimidate the majority of the species. ISD's cannot destroy planets.

You fucking dumbshit. An ISD is perfectly capable of turning a planet's surface into a global ocean of magma in an hour. We refer to it as a Base Delta Zero.

Tell me if the result is any more desirable, habitable, or useful in any way than the same planet being blasted into a relativistic cloud of rubble by a superlaser.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-03-02 06:12pm

Einhander Sn0m4n wrote:Tell me if the result is any more desirable, habitable, or useful in any way than the same planet being blasted into a relativistic cloud of rubble by a superlaser.

I just believe its more impressive to completely annihilate a planet than to render it inhabitable. Even we as a human species today can render this planet inhospitable, granted it may take about 100 years longer. But we don't have the power to completely destroy it. And that is irrefutably much more impressive.

Elheru Aran · Post by **Elheru Aran** » 2006-03-02 06:27pm

Subjective opinion and ergo pointless. Impressive doesn't matter; practicality and efficiency does. It is just as efficient and much more practical for the Empire to reduce a planet to a glowing ball of slag that they can process for materiel afterwards.

NRS Guardian · Post by **NRS Guardian** » 2006-03-02 07:01pm

Plus, according to SotP a BDZed world can be terraformed at great expense, eventually. So no need to get rid of perfectly good planets just because its inhabitants are rebelling, whereas a superlasered world couldn't be terraformed, really.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-03-02 07:01pm

Cos Dashit wrote:Even we as a human species today can render this planet inhospitable, granted it may take about 100 years longer.

No, no we can't. We can wipe ourselves out, and with enough effort destroy most of the complex life, but we can't render a planet uninhabitable and unterraformable.

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-03-02 07:38pm

SirNitram wrote:
Cos Dashit wrote:Even we as a human species today can render this planet inhospitable, granted it may take about 100 years longer.
No, no we can't. We can wipe ourselves out, and with enough effort destroy most of the complex life, but we can't render a planet uninhabitable and unterraformable.

Completely true. The only organisms we can wipe out are the ones that require oxygen.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-03-02 07:42pm

Cos Dashit wrote:Completely true. The only organisms we can wipe out are the ones that require oxygen.

Where do you get this stuff? Honestly? Where did you get these ideas?

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-03-02 08:02pm

SirNitram wrote:
Cos Dashit wrote:Completely true. The only organisms we can wipe out are the ones that require oxygen.
Where do you get this stuff? Honestly? Where did you get these ideas?

The U.S.A. has approximately 10,000 nuclear bombs between 20 kilotons and 36 megatons. Russia has about 15,000 none greater than 50 megatons. I won't count India's, Pakistan's, UK's, France's, China's, or Israel's. If we launched them all, a nuclear winter would ensue. The Earth would be enveloped in a fallout cloud and a 'greenhouse effect' of sorts would cause the gas levels in our atmosphere to become unbalanced (more/less oxygen, nitrogen, argon, and other critical trace gases that are found in out atmosphere). All organisms that require the current balance of air (what I meant by oxygen) would perish after about 100 years.

Of course, this is all theoretical, but widely accepted and very possible.

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2006-03-02 08:06pm

Cos Dashit wrote:
SirNitram wrote:
Cos Dashit wrote:Completely true. The only organisms we can wipe out are the ones that require oxygen.
Where do you get this stuff? Honestly? Where did you get these ideas?
The U.S.A. has approximately 10,000 nuclear bombs between 20 kilotons and 36 megatons. Russia has about 15,000 none greater than 50 megatons. I won't count India's, Pakistan's, UK's, France's, China's, or Israel's. If we launched them all, a nuclear winter would ensue. The Earth would be enveloped in a fallout cloud and a 'greenhouse effect' of sorts would cause the gas levels in our atmosphere to become unbalanced (more/less oxygen, nitrogen, argon, and other critical trace gases that are found in out atmosphere). All organisms that require the current balance of air (what I meant by oxygen) would perish after about 100 years.

Of course, this is all theoretical, but widely accepted and very possible.

No, it's not. This doomsday scenario is based on bad science and has been tossed out. Moreover, I don't know where you get this '15,000 +50 MT nukes' claim, as it sure as fuck wasn't reality.

All these nukes tossed around would collapse humanity society and we'd likely kill ourselves off in the aftermath, but you are flat out wrong if you think we could perform a total extinction event with them.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-03-02 09:06pm

Actually I hate to be a nitpicker but what he said wasn't 15,000 > 50 MT, he said this,

Russia has about 15,000 none greater than 50 megatons

Although I don't know what he was trying to say. Bad communication saying there's 15000 "none greater than 50 megatons" meaning they are all < 50 MT, saying absolutely nothing

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Brian

Cos Dashit · Post by **Cos Dashit** » 2006-03-02 09:08pm

brianeyci wrote:Actually I hate to be a nitpicker but what he said wasn't 15,000 > 50 MT, he said this,

Russia has about 15,000 none greater than 50 megatons
Although I don't know what he was trying to say. Bad communication saying there's 15000 "none greater than 50 megatons" meaning they are all < 50 MT, saying absolutely nothing .

Brian

Yes, I meant they are all less than 50 MT.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-03-02 09:12pm

Cos Dashit wrote:
brianeyci wrote:Actually I hate to be a nitpicker but what he said wasn't 15,000 > 50 MT, he said this,

Russia has about 15,000 none greater than 50 megatons
Although I don't know what he was trying to say. Bad communication saying there's 15000 "none greater than 50 megatons" meaning they are all < 50 MT, saying absolutely nothing .

Brian
Yes, I meant they are all less than 50 MT.

In other words you say nothing. Everybody knows about the Tsar Bomb

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Better to take "all above X kilotons" but that would blow your argument out of the water since the majority would be < 1 MT

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Brian

chitoryu12 · Post by **chitoryu12** » 2006-03-02 10:24pm

Getting back to the topic at hand...

I would exterminate the Klingons. They really get on my nerves, what with the "Warriors are the greatest things in the universe" deal. I would begin with a BDZ of their homeworld. The captured Klingons would be released, but not before they're infected with a virus that spreads through contact. The Klingons want a warrior's death in battle, not a peaceful one. The virus will attack their lungs, slowly destroying their ability to breath until they suffocate.

All worlds occupied by Klingons will have their major cities destroyed with incendiary weapons, and the rest of the world will be attacked by TIE Bombers.

The ships will be of little concern. TIE Defenders will be enough, and will only have to be used if the Birds of Preys are causing too much damage to the Star Destroyers.

Vader of Borg · Post by **Vader of Borg** » 2006-03-03 01:39am

I would like to see the Founders pulverized by the Death Star! Or maybr Wyeon zapped by the Emperor.

Or maybe the female "changeling" get here arm cut off by Vader as she attempts to take his form.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2006-03-03 02:04am

Wiping out the Borg would earn the Empire more goodwill than any other single concievable act. If you plan on ruling the natives, demonstrable proof you're serious about providing peace and security (which is supposedly what the New Order is about) in the form of wiping out the single largest threat to the continued existence of every other species in the Milky Way should go a long way. Plus, the willingness of the Empire to commit genocide plus the complete inability of the Borg to resist should give anyone else who plans on getting uppity some cause for rethinking his plans.

Coalition · Post by **Coalition** » 2006-03-04 05:07am

Vanas wrote:To exterminate? The Baku. Nothing fancy, just a BDZ. I was tempted to DS it, but those rings may be handy.

As for the Borg, do they really matter? Don't need to kill them all, just the big unimatrix and the hubs and they're fucked for a time.

The Baku can be confined to one small island on their planet, and left there. Everyone else gets vacation tickets to this planet that makes you feel years younger. Cash stream, anyone?

For the other races, either leave them alone, or set up a few planets that are under pure Imperial control. Take the worst environments possible, and just build giant stations in orbit to house everyone. People who are trying to survive elsewhere are offered a choice, "stay and die on your own, or join us and prosper". Free transport to the site, excellent medical care, and the knowledge that if anyone tries to come after you that the local superlaser will sterilize them is a good incentive.

I wonder how the "Anatomy of a War" would have gone if it had been a small Imperial force in place instead? Planetary shields, planetary turbolasers, and a few forts for the basic defenses, with planetary superlasers for the really paranoid. The Federation President would have seen the first plans for the defenses, and had a heart attack.

The Borg can be destroyed by targeting their planets, structures, ships, etc, and Imperial hyperdrive is fast enough to intercept their ships when they drop out of their tunnels and before they get in range of the planet.

Now 8472, would be the fun one. They can open up their wormholes at any time across a broad area, and have hidden supply depots (hidden as in separate 'dimension'). That would be a great excuse for any interested governments to join the Empire out of fear if nothing else. Of course, 8472 could be reasoned with by using:

* sensor platforms scattered across protected area
* hyperdrive equipped strategic missiles

Detect one of their wormholes opening up, and if more than one ship comes out, you launch this thing. It pops through the wormhole, and the strategic warhead detonates. Any idea of what a multi-teraton warhead induced shockwave will do to Fluidic space? As Leeloo always says, "Big bada-boom!"

It might need some shielding and defenses to get past any 8472 ships in the area, but if there are too many, it detonates early, and you send a second missile. If 8472 wants to talk, they only send one ship through, or they learn to stop opening the singularities.

For the Klingons, the females would be good for those who enjoy rough sex. "Break a leg" = good luck wish on a honeymoon.