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We've got undead British SAS running around, but you know who we really need?

Jack Churchill.

I think for the ease of saying it, you might want to drop the 'o' and just call it 'PANTHECIDE'.

David Stirling.

All right.

If ever there was a man who knew how to break and blow stuff up for a living.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Those B-1s and Tu-160s could make a detour and drop a tiny load on those ex-Asmodeus forces.

Didn't you read the story? The legions are mustering inside Dis. They can hit the city and the legions at the same time.

"Now that the forces of Satan were on the back-foot, Hell was crawling with human Special Forces, and Britain was one of the major providers. Patrols from both the Special Air Service and Special Boat Service were roaming the areas of Hell assigned to the UK, gathering intelligence and rescuing inmates where ever possible. The Special Reconnaissance Regiment had established a number of Observation Posts from where they could watch the comings and goings of Hell’s military forces, and direct attacks when necessary, while the Paras, Marines and RAF Regiment Gunners of the UK Special Forces Support Group were on stand-by to support any patrol that got into difficulty, or add extra muscle to any attack.

The various UK Special Forces patrols had already managed to rescue quite a few former military personnel, who had been marked down as a priority for recovery. These deceased personnel had then been transferred via portal to a safe area near the Hellmouth for rehabilitation. Encouragingly many, mainly amongst the more recently arrived, had volunteered their services. "

So the effort to solve the problem of finding more Kittens and perhaps augmenting their efforts appears to be really making progress. This with the shuttle operation from Free Hell.

How long would it take with priority use of the portal resources to insert a battalion made up of heavy weapons companies into Free Hell? With some higher altitude air support - the river makes targetting so much easier if the demons can be caught on "their" side of the river - the tide could be turned. Higher altitude does not necessarily mean specialist bombers. A-10s can accurately or accurately enough fire their 30 mm rotary barrel cannon from over 10,000 feet.

Keep up inserting a British perspective Jan. Us Commonwealth types don't mind the odd mention!

BTW, I wonder if Skorzeny has his own group!

LOL, a frightening prospect!

Peptuck wrote:We've got undead British SAS running around, but you know who we really need?

Jack Churchill.

carrying on with the IRA to boot.

Yes! I've been waiting to see what sort of highly motivated individuals have escaped on their own. One of the founders of the SAS is perfect to represent such people.

Edit: Skorzeny was a nazi prick, and also quite old when he died. That said, he would escape if he could and unleash havoc. I would also love to see some Red army types rolling around.

Peptuck wrote:We've got undead British SAS running around, but you know who we really need?

Jack Churchill.

After reading the Wikipedia article on the guy, I agree that he'll be a big help to the PFLH. Hopefully, he can school some samurai and katana-wankers on what a Scottish highlander can do with edged weapons.

Sidewinder wrote:

Peptuck wrote:We've got undead British SAS running around, but you know who we really need?

Jack Churchill.

After reading the Wikipedia article on the guy, I agree that he'll be a big help to the PFLH. Hopefully, he can school some samurai and katana-wankers on what a Scottish highlander can do with edged weapons.

I wouldn't be surprised if Jack had gotten free on his own and had spent the last few decades just aimlessly wandering around the wilderness of Hell and hacking up random baldricks with improvised weapons.

Stuart wrote:Now, in the Armageddonverse, humans do know there is one layer up but is there another? Nobody knows. Likewise, nobody knows whether there's a level down from us.

I just had the terribly dark thought that the levels might all be in a circle.

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Despite being a traipsing effeminate crossdresser. Can't forget that part.

Re: Loki, of course.

You mean like Thor?

Maybe that one giant just liked muscular mannish women, but I prefer the theory that all the Norse Gods look good in a dress.

phongn wrote:I just had the terribly dark thought that the levels might all be in a circle.

Or an infinite ladder with no "top" or "bottom".

OK, the wankery is starting to get out of hand. It seems to me that freeing yourself is more a matter of luck than skill. You have to be put into an area where you have a realistic chance of escape, and then one of your baldrick captors has to make a mistake. It's not "HUR HUR HE WAS A BAD-ASS SO HE WILL ESCAPE".

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Those B-1s and Tu-160s could make a detour and drop a tiny load on those ex-Asmodeus forces.

Didn't you read the story? The legions are mustering inside Dis. They can hit the city and the legions at the same time.

Oh, right. I thought the B-1s and Tu-160s were exclusively for Belial's ass, but then with Detroit, this shit just got real

To elaborate, the biggest reason why military units might escape in groups is that they were packed together, so if one of them escapes, that person will free the others. That's what happened to Lt Kim. But the way some people in this thread are talking, any elite armed forces member in history should be assumed to be free by now, and probably with a large baldrick kill count under his belt too. That's just pure wankery.

Darth Wong wrote:To elaborate, the biggest reason why military units might escape in groups is that they were packed together, so if one of them escapes, that person will free the others. That's what happened to Lt Kim. But the way some people in this thread are talking, any elite armed forces member in history should be assumed to be free by now, and probably with a large Baldrick kill count under his belt too. That's just pure wankery.

There may start to be more escapes now though. Large Baldrick armies are being mobilized for the war, which will probably draw down the available "manpower", also the actions of the PFLH guerrillas probably have caused some of the Baldricks to put a higher premium on staying safe than being thorough, (i.e. do a sloppy job so they can get back to the relative safety of the guard shack).

That there are at least a few individuals who are wankery incarnated. Like the Chinese Warlord, Xianhou Dun, who wasn't slowed down by an arrow to the eyeball, or Alexander "me and my two shield bearers vs. an army" the Great. More modern, there's Otto Skorzeny, a glorified infantryman who managed to get himself labeled "the most dangerous man in Europe" in 1944.

Darth Wong wrote:To elaborate, the biggest reason why military units might escape in groups is that they were packed together, so if one of them escapes, that person will free the others. That's what happened to Lt Kim. But the way some people in this thread are talking, any elite armed forces member in history should be assumed to be free by now, and probably with a large baldrick kill count under his belt too. That's just pure wankery.

Concur. There's a few exceptional individuals who unquestionably had both the skill and mentality to effect their escape in any circumstance--but the list basically consists of Stirling and Skorzeny as far as 20th century personalities go. Juenger was too religious to psychologically stand the trauma; I simply think Jack Churchill was a flamboyant showman and his capture shows it. The third man who could make that list, and there are only three in the entire 20th century with its billions of people, is Lawrence of Arabia. Those three men and they alone would I expect have been able to escape in any circumstance whatsoever and to have the psychological ability to withstand transition and then effect that escape.

Lawrence of Arabia? Really? I thought he was just a really good guerrilla commander.

And if someone does manage to escape, they also need to have the mindset of going into hiding, because if they get noticed the demon will either recapture or kill them. If they managed to kill any, then I don't see them being recaptured.

Adrian Laguna wrote:Lawrence of Arabia? Really? I thought he was just a really good guerrilla commander.

Yes, and? He's escaped from being tortured in captivity before. It isn't about super-strength or skill, it's about mentality and intelligence in one's timing, and the resolve to keep your cool when you're being tortured.

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:

Adrian Laguna wrote:Lawrence of Arabia? Really? I thought he was just a really good guerrilla commander.

Yes, and?

There are lots of really good guerrilla commanders you didn't mention, such as Lettow-Vorbeck. I'm asking what makes him extra special.

He's escaped from being tortured in captivity before.

That, for example.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Oh, right. I thought the B-1s and Tu-160s were exclusively for Belial's ass, but then with Detroit, this shit just got real

There are two problems with using the heavy bombers on Tartarus. One is that the humans don't know its location yet. The other hasn't been mentioned yet, but if you think about the problems the humans are having getting aircraft to fly at all, you can probably guess it.

Anyway in the mean time they're free for taking requests.

The Duchess of Zeon wrote: Concur. There's a few exceptional individuals who unquestionably had both the skill and mentality to effect their escape in any circumstance--but the list basically consists of Stirling and Skorzeny as far as 20th century personalities go. Juenger was too religious to psychologically stand the trauma; I simply think Jack Churchill was a flamboyant showman and his capture shows it. The third man who could make that list, and there are only three in the entire 20th century with its billions of people, is Lawrence of Arabia. Those three men and they alone would I expect have been able to escape in any circumstance whatsoever and to have the psychological ability to withstand transition and then effect that escape.

You're forgetting random Mujaheedin, Vietcong, Burmese rebels, etc, etc, etc , which are just as skilled and intelligent as those people you've mentionned, but which we have simply never heard of. The list is likely to have at least hundreds of people, more likely tens of thousands, including some who might have been simply civilians in their lifes and have never even seen a battlefield but simply happen to have just the personality for the job.