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Norseman wrote:

Steve wrote:

Norseman wrote: For Spain it shouldn't be that much of a loss since Uruguay has no coast? I mean how are you supposed to get there or get out of there? As for Paraguay, think about it, you'll be getting a large buffer state between yourself and the massive Communist threat to the north.

I on the other hand will be getting a further reason to move my industries further north and into the interior...

*Gibbs-smacks Norseman on the head*

You fail Geography.

Paraguay is the landlocked nation. Uruguay has a coast, in fact its capital Montevideo is also its main port.

Bah! Thing is I kind of want a buffer zone against Argentina, if I'm to give up those three provinces at the very least I should only be bordering *one* other country. If on the other hand the Argentines (and to a lesser extent Spain) won't give up that land I would personally much rather have my buffer zone to protect from Argentina invasion.

Raj Ahten wrote:

Norseman wrote:Bah! Thing is I kind of want a buffer zone against Argentina, if I'm to give up those three provinces at the very least I should only be bordering *one* other country. If on the other hand the Argentines (and to a lesser extent Spain) won't give up that land I would personally much rather have my buffer zone to protect from Argentina invasion.

Do you think Brazil should be worrying about Argentina? Your population dwarfs mine and in the era of mass mobilization I'm the one who should be fearing you. True my economy is a bit stronger but the disparity isn't big enough to be decisive

Norseman wrote:I'm not so worried about Columbia since, well, they border an area of Brazil so remote and hard to get at that no one is doing anything.

Ryan Thunder wrote:

Norseman wrote:I'm not so worried about Columbia since, well, they border an area of Brazil so remote and hard to get at that no one is doing anything.

*shifts industry to build strategic bombers*

Norseman wrote:

Steve wrote:

Norseman wrote: For Spain it shouldn't be that much of a loss since Uruguay has no coast? I mean how are you supposed to get there or get out of there? As for Paraguay, think about it, you'll be getting a large buffer state between yourself and the massive Communist threat to the north.

I on the other hand will be getting a further reason to move my industries further north and into the interior...

*Gibbs-smacks Norseman on the head*

You fail Geography.

Paraguay is the landlocked nation. Uruguay has a coast, in fact its capital Montevideo is also its main port.

Bah! Thing is I kind of want a buffer zone against Argentina, if I'm to give up those three provinces at the very least I should only be bordering *one* other country. If on the other hand the Argentines (and to a lesser extent Spain) won't give up that land I would personally much rather have my buffer zone to protect from Argentina invasion.

Minister of Pigeonry wrote:Afraid I really can't give up Uruguay, it's my largest overseas territory. Need a toe-hold in South America, so, going to have to keep that one. As it is, I'm more afraid of you Brazilians than you probably should be of me, you're alot bigger than Uruguay in all respects after all.

Norseman wrote:Really? What are we supposed to do? Bleed on you?

EDIT: I have serious, serious doubts about handing over those provinces, there goes my entire buffer zone in case of war...

Okay that does it: If Argentina will not give up the panhandle or Paraguay then I'm keeping Parana! I need the buffer zone to stand between Lascaris and Sao Paulo. In fact I'd prefer to keep Parana even if Argentina gives up the panhandle, but I'm not entirely unreasonable. He would still have 377094 square kilometres which is enough for Land Area 3.

Norseman wrote:

Minister of Pigeonry wrote:Afraid I really can't give up Uruguay, it's my largest overseas territory. Need a toe-hold in South America, so, going to have to keep that one. As it is, I'm more afraid of you Brazilians than you probably should be of me, you're alot bigger than Uruguay in all respects after all.

Really? What are we supposed to do? Bleed on you?

EDIT: I have serious, serious doubts about handing over those provinces, there goes my entire buffer zone in case of war...

Okay that does it: If Argentina will not give up the panhandle or Paraguay then I'm keeping Parana! I need the buffer zone to stand between Lascaris and Sao Paulo. In fact I'd prefer to keep Parana even if Argentina gives up the panhandle, but I'm not entirely unreasonable. He would still have 377094 square kilometres which is enough for Land Area 3.

Siege wrote:Since we all seem to be hitting just about the right mood... When do we start the game?

Thanas wrote:I'll have something for you tomorrow.

Steve wrote:

Siege wrote:Since we all seem to be hitting just about the right mood... When do we start the game?

Very soon I think. I need to make sure everyone has their points finalized and then I need to go finalize things for the rules, like final determination for what Economy values show or for how industry level plays into things like building ships and aircraft or raising military divisions, effecting infrastructure improvements, etc.

Population- 
Home Territory- 
Colonial Territory- 2
Industry- 
Economy- 
Infrastructure- 
Standing Military Limit- 
Naval Focus - 
Army Focus- 
Air Focus: 

Mr Bean wrote:
Hong Kong Style Cities controlled by Britain
...
CapeTown (South Africa)

Population: 3 (75 million, Britain and Ireland = 45, + the rest in remaining colonies or in Britain due to high exodus from former colonies)
Home Territory: 2
Colonial Territory: 2
Economy: 5
Infrastructure: 5
Industry: 5
Naval Focus: 2 (+3 Bonus due to industry) = 5
Standing military: 3
Army Focus: 1
Air Focus: 2
= 30 points.

Thanas wrote:Bean, did you read what I posted?

TimothyC wrote:

Mr Bean wrote:
Hong Kong Style Cities controlled by Britain
...
CapeTown (South Africa)

No. If you want a town, you can get Walvis Bay. What I had offered was the ability to have a British Naval Base in Capetown.

Norseman wrote:I'm not so worried about Columbia since,

Mr Bean wrote:
What does that give me in the way of standing Army, Standing Navy, Standing Airforce?

Stas Bush wrote:That's some serious carving.

Steve wrote:Okay, here's what will probably be the final map, all claims made and acknowledged. I'm not sure about Lascaris' border in comparison to Norse's though.

(image clipped)

The only exceptions to this being the final map is if I see people want the idea of "extra" land, in the form of non-real islands and such, so a few players can have a bit more colonial territory (and more defensible in some cases too - Sorchus, lookin' at you).

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:

Stas Bush wrote:That's some serious carving.

Multipolar world for the win!