Space Empires IV Gold Game

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-02-15 04:35pm

As I said, I didn't realize how superior my torps were to yours. I'd looked the Ferengi and Borg tech to compare, but I'd never noticed the slower reload rate. My punishment for only playing as my favorite Trek race, I suppose. In truth I was really surprised at the relative lack of shield skipping weaponry you guys had at first. I rushed for the adv plasma torps, because I figured everybody would use the invinci-shields like I did and so would need weapons like that to nullify them.

If I'd known just how good my KFs were before I was fighting for my life, I might've told Tux to just forget his grand plan and guard my systems while I invaded you. Only problem was that I was slow getting replicator ship tech, so any invasion would've been badly curtailed by supply problems. That and the fact that I have a bad tendancy to turn into General McClellan when I play games like these, not wanting to attack until everything's perfect.

You were lucky, though. You opened that warp point just as I'd sent 7th fleet to Tux's territory to amass for the invasion we'd planned, so you got a few free turns of rampaging before I could do much. And, how did you know where my home worlds were, was it just the map that did it?

All in all, though, well played. I mean to see Praetor Secundus avenge his predecessor eventually, but for now, enjoy the closing stages of the game, my worthy adversary.

Oh, and Vyraeth, this game was a ton of fun, even though I apparently snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, so yeah, it's all good.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-02-15 04:42pm

Playing shield skipping weapons with 5 reload is... oh what the hell, try it yourselves in the sims. Pit 50 of my Grand Nagus R.1 against 50 Concordiats or 50 of Tux's ships and you'll see. Neph will probably kill me for saying too much lol.

You'll see my Grand Nagus T-X soon, Neph came up with the design... it is a killer lol.

The map was it lol. Although I think it was part guessing. It just happened to be 300 light years away from Norpin. Oh, and had the system been 301 light years away you would have been safe. Another coincidence.

Attack > Defense, Expansion > Consolidation, at least that's how I play it now. Like the B5 game lol.

Brian

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-02-15 04:49pm

Alpha Onias was exactly 300 light years from Norpin?!

Ack, well I suppose it wouldn't have made a big difference in the long run. It's not like Coridan had gravitational shields.

Well, anyway, enjoy fending off Kirk's counterattack. As you know, he's got some of my KFs.

Daltonator · Post by **Daltonator** » 2006-02-15 05:37pm

The Klingon Empire is far from down and out

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-02-15 06:08pm

Vyraeth wrote:Sounds great. What's wrong with the Ferengi? Nothing, I suppose, I just -- for whatever reason don't particularly care for them -- it could be their whole midget/gremlin demeanor and there lack of resolve for a good battle. To be truthful, I'm abit of a Star Trek newb, I started off watching TNG over the summer. And now catch DS9 epsiodes off of Spike in the afternoons.

As to your comment Trogdor, I may very well get blown out of the water my first game but it's all good -- I'm just enthralled at the possibility of playing with human players. My brother and I were considering setting up a PBeM game but that fell through, and this sounds much easier!

I'm registered on http://seiv.pbw.cc, and eagerly await for you guys to wrap up your current game.

Go Tuxedo, winning after being on the verge of losing is always the best!

You'll learn, very fast.

The issue with the Ferengi in this game? Their racial bonuses are really faster shipyards. That's about it. Their larger ships are REALLY inefficient compared to most everyone else, and they don't have any special racial weapons or such... so it's really about swarming.

I planned the homeworld strike myself, partly from the map, and partly from the desire to get as far from the fronts as possible. I figured Trog would put all his forces on the fronts, so if I hit a corner, I could rampage and scout without fear for a few turns, then retreat before an attack arrived. Didn't know you'd be one turn away though.

And yeah, my invasion fleet ran out of ammo to blow away planets.

And Vyraeth, don't worry about being an ST Noob. I started watching TNG recently, like an episode every few days (Early TNG)... and haven't seen any in years. Not much of a fan, but this mod is very, very balanced for SP and MP compared to most others. (Ex, B5 is interesting, but unfinished. Darnit, I wanted my regenerative whitestar armor!)

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-02-15 06:08pm

Yeah, those KFs were beasts. All our planning revolved around one thing: Destroying them, without actually fighting them.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-02-15 06:25pm

The fronts were actually pretty badly defended, to tell the truth. The problem was that the only real front I had was the sector that had been occupied by the Takarans until I conquered them shortly before you invaded. I had ships waiting in a neighboring system, but very little forces actually there. Meanwhile, much of my ship building went on in Alpha Onias and nearby, so you're just lucky you caught that system in one of it's most defenseless moments.

You'd have had an easier time of it at first if you just went for the Takaran's system, but you wouldn't have dealt me the huge blow that you did by going for Alpha Onias.

I tried to get a ship into the Bynar's system to watch for an oncoming Ferengi armada, but failed due to a Takaran minefield (this is actually how the Invisible Eye finally met its end, in fact). The warp point opened up before I could try again, and then it was all about getting the border patrol to Alpha Onias ASAP.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-02-15 09:20pm

I have shipyards all over.

As for the Ferengi racial bonuses, take a close look and the Federation has exactly the bonuses I have, and more. Bonuses to attack, happiness and intelligence on top of that and they have the Utopia Planetia shipyards too.

The only thing I think they don't have are racial mines. But the Ferengi racial mines blow, they only destroy shield generators. Why destroy a shield generator when you can put a nuke on it instead.

As for syping on the Bynars, the galaxy is pretty much polarized. I got the Bynars to declare war on you finally, and the Benzites who have been at war with the Klingons joined the Unity. Races that are at war with you are on my side.

As for the Klingons... what you building, 2500 kT monster bases? I hope you aren't using 5 reload torpedoes because they'll shoot once then be pulverized, and I hope you're putting in 20+ shields and ten armors lol. Two AI starbases managed to kill ten of my ships early in the game so maybe they're good.

<edit>I don't know why you didn't split up your forces into smaller groups, if you had sensors and could see the mines Trog. Especially when I went to the system just north of AO, I glassed a dozen planets there and you didn't blink. You could have built a satellite on each of the planets there and launched it the next turn

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<edit>Especially the Talosians, I didn't get why you didn't send just one KF and stop me... although, maybe you didn't know how powerful your KF's were. Could have stopped the three carriers and ten battlecruisers. Too bad I split the battlecruisers up and tried going north into SFC territory and got my ass kicked by fighters.</edit>

Brian

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-02-16 08:23pm

brianeyci wrote:<edit>I don't know why you didn't split up your forces into smaller groups, if you had sensors and could see the mines Trog. Especially when I went to the system just north of AO, I glassed a dozen planets there and you didn't blink. You could have built a satellite on each of the planets there and launched it the next turn .</edit>

<edit>Especially the Talosians, I didn't get why you didn't send just one KF and stop me... although, maybe you didn't know how powerful your KF's were. Could have stopped the three carriers and ten battlecruisers. Too bad I split the battlecruisers up and tried going north into SFC territory and got my ass kicked by fighters.</edit>

Brian

I didn't have the satellites that would have revealed the mines in those systems. They'd mostly been deployed in systems near Dalton's space, in the event that he would try and launch a sneak attack on me. The one in Alpha Onias I built and deployed well after you'd been rampaging through my space for awhile. I couldn't have built any earlier, because of the massive resource defecits I had right after you broke our trade alliance and glassed a few of my key planets. And I knew that if my KFs started hitting mine fields left and right, I'd be done for, so I let you burn a couple of systems.

Oh, on a totally unrelated subject, I'm curious, just what did President Alshain tell Queen Nephtys?

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-02-16 08:28pm

It only takes one satellite in a whole system to reveal the cloaked mines/ships...

...and they only cost 500 bucks. I guess you really were poor

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I'd guess "nuts" or "assimilate this" or something like that, but Uraniun's a lot more creative than that so who knows.

Hopefully we'll be having Uraniun's ships shooting Kirk's soon. Lol.

Brian

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-02-16 08:57pm

Poor, hell, I couldn't pay maintaince on my fleet, let alone build anything new.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2006-02-16 09:35pm

I tried the "Captain Kirk" approach and asked "Yes... but, can you tell me... what is... love?"

Bear in mind that this was in response to the canned "we are the borg blah blah blah" recording.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-02-16 09:40pm

Uraniun235 wrote:I tried the "Captain Kirk" approach and asked "Yes... but, can you tell me... what is... love?"

You should RP more, you're just too damned funny.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2006-02-16 11:55pm

Trogdor, you just inspired me to write President Alshain doing what no other sane leader in his position would do. I hope you enjoy it.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-02-16 11:58pm

Uraniun235 wrote:Trogdor, you just inspired me to write President Alshain doing what no other sane leader in his position would do. I hope you enjoy it.

Oh man, you're so getting assimilated. Oh well, I probably will be, too soon, so at least we'll get to be allies again.

I'm kind of surprised you didn't have Q poof you away. You had it all set up so well for that, with your B5 RP character being the same as your trek one and all.

Uraniun235 · Post by **Uraniun235** » 2006-02-17 12:01am

It just... seemed kind of lame when I thought about it. I didn't feel like I'd set things up for Q to like and favor Alshain so much over the others. Don't worry, I fully intend to have B5 Alshain wake up in a cold sweat yelling about something or other.

Plus, I don't think rescue by Q would be quite as comedic as what I've just cooked up.

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-02-17 12:13am

*Reads RP*

Oh god, you winked at the Borg queen!

Anyway, personally, I could see Q favoring Alshain, just because Alshain said that Q was right. After all, Q's an egomaniac who's used to having Picard and Sisko and everybody else deny his claims. But it's probably better this way. After all, who would be running the subjugate Federation if Alshain's gone? Either way, I like how you linked the RPs.

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2006-02-17 01:03am

I'm leaving tomorrow for my cousin's wedding and won't be back until Sunday, so I set both games to last player upload only.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-02-17 01:09am

Two hours until turns for both games are due, a friendly reminder from your neighbourhood nag *uraniun* cough *guppyshark* cough

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Brian

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-02-17 01:30am

Read Tux's post, Brian. They've got plenty of time.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-02-17 01:34am

Trogdor wrote:Read Tux's post, Brian. They've got plenty of time.

Didn't I assimilate you already?

As for beaming him into space... bwhahahaha brilliant. I should think of a good way to kill Kirk, Primus and Martok too. Since beaming into space is taken it's going to be hard, and the sharks with laser beams is old so...

<edit>Damn I forgot Kirk's going to kill himself oh well. Probably Martok too. So that leaves...

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Brian

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-02-17 01:42am

brianeyci wrote:
Trogdor wrote:Read Tux's post, Brian. They've got plenty of time.
Didn't I assimilate you already?

As for beaming him into space... bwhahahaha brilliant. I should think of a good way to kill Kirk, Primus and Martok too. Since beaming into space is taken it's going to be hard, and the sharks with laser beams is old so...

<edit>Damn I forgot Kirk's going to kill himself oh well. Probably Martok too. So that leaves... </edit>

Brian

Nope, still independant, and just because I'm making offers doesn't mean I want to. Primus has to bend to the new Tal'Shiar chief's will, but he'll be kicking and screaming the whole way, trust me.

And as for killing me, just be glad that I'm still several decades of game time from being able to build a ship with a trilithium torpedo. I'd pop my own sun in a heartbeat now if I could. I'd take a good chunk of your fleet with me and make Martok jealous at the same time.

Wanktastic WMD plans aside, don't forget that Romulans have been known to carry suicide pills with them.

edit: fixed typos.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2006-02-17 01:47am

Don't worry I'm not a twink. I wouldn't RP Primus being assimilated unless you wanted him assimilated lol.

As for the trilithium torpedo... you spent your millions of research points on it? Damn, what a waste. I started scraping my research facilities once I maxed out technology and replaced them with replicators monoliths and extractors. I've been micromanaging my economy, getting every last mineral, plant and radioactive out of it, emergency building replicator facilities on smaller worlds and scrapping research facilities on my homeworlds. I have around 7-10 monoliths and replicators on each of my homeworlds.

500 million is too much, it should have been 50 million for the WMD.

<edit>And to be honest, if I lost that fleet it'd just free up maintainence. I have over 100 temporal shipyards with more on the way and I'm building 50 battlecruisers every 3 turns no sweat without going into deficit

. Although if I played the Romulans I would build Warbirds... the Warbirds have an inherent -10% maintainence so I would always use them, just like I'm only using battlecrusiers rather than battleships now (battleships only let me put in an extra three weapons, oh joy really worth the extra 4k)</edit>

Brian

Nephtys · Post by **Nephtys** » 2006-02-17 01:51am

Trogdor wrote:And as for killing me, just be glad that I'm still several decades of game time from being able to build a ship with a trilithium torpedo. I'd pop my own sun in a heartbeat now if I could. I'd take a good chunk of your fleet with me and make Martok jealous at the same time.

edit: fixed typos.

Shofixti Glory Device!

Trogdor · Post by **Trogdor** » 2006-02-17 01:52am

No, I don't have the trilithium torp, not even close. I'm still more than 5 years worth of game time away from level one of WMDs. I probably would've scraped my research facilities by now, but I wasn't finished with the Romulan advanced energy weapons until pretty recently and now it just seems pointless, since I'm down for the count.

Edit: Nephtys, that's actually exactly what I was thinking of. Cool.