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Luke, I think, did better precisely because he wasn't too indoctrinate into Jedi philosophy. His victory came about through redeeming Vader, which only worked due to the love and attachment he felt toward his father (and vice versa). Though I don't know how closely Ashoka adheres to Jedi philosophy (or Kanan for that matter). I mean, Ashoka walked away from the Jedi Order.

Ashoka, I think, could be an admirable light sabre teacher, however. Also, one recurring thing that seems to be established in The Clone Wars is that Ashoka was good with/a natural leader of younger children, which leads me to think that she would have had potential as a teacher. I think had she been a peacetime Jedi, she'd likely have ended up training younglings/padawans in the Temple.

Galvatron wrote:

biostem wrote:They could go the "safe route" and simply have the Ghosts's entire compliment decide to live out the rest of their lives in hiding, either in the outer rim, or possibly even heaving beyond the galaxy or to that satellite galaxy.

Without Yoda's knowledge? He "watched" Luke grow up through the Force. Would he tell Luke he was last Jedi if there were still others in hiding?

"See you, I can. Before I could not. Changed, something has." Nothing guarantees Yoda can see, much less contact, Kanan when he's not in a Jedi temple or other place strong in the Light Side.

Rogue 9 wrote:"See you, I can. Before I could not. Changed, something has." Nothing guarantees Yoda can see, much less contact, Kanan when he's not in a Jedi temple or other place strong in the Light Side.

I don't recognize that quote. Is that from TCW?

No, that's from Rebels 1x09, Path of the Jedi, when Yoda was speaking to Kanan through the Force while he waited on Ezra at the temple.

I would also point out one thing:

Ashoka and Kanan are both Padawans, and failed ones at that. Obi-Wan and Yoda are Masters, and Council members at that. Which are more suited to training Luke?

SAMAS wrote:I would also point out one thing:

Ashoka and Kanan are both Padawans, and failed ones at that. Obi-Wan and Yoda are Masters, and Council members at that. Which are more suited to training Luke?

Whichever one is available. Kanan himself realized the limitations of his ability to teach but had to be taught the hard way that the Empire doesn't exactly allow too much of a choice. Considering the last episode, he didn't do too badly by Ezra who has built his own lightsaber and can now redirect blaster bolts, able to do some acrobatics, use force push, be receptive to visions and able to calm animals with the Force. That's more than Luke knew before he found Yoda.

Even if both Yoda and Asoka were Masters, Yoda would be the better choice because he's otherwise unoccupied (at least by the Rebellion) and thus can fully devote his time to training. I don't recall any hint of whether Asoka would be willing to take a student.

I don't think that Asohka will ever take on a student. I am not saying that is 100% positive either. But the way things look as of right now, I don't think she wants a student. She did leave the Jedi order on bad terms in TCW. So I don't see her following "Jedi tradition" anytime soon. Of course things could change.

And depending on how Ezra turns out in the long run with Kanan's training, if it turns out well that may be incentive enough to possibly take on another student?

If Ashoka did take a student, I don't think she'd train them according to classic Jedi doctrine. Which means she'd be having to come up with how to teach them on her own, which would be a rather daunting prospect.

Galvatron wrote:

biostem wrote:They could go the "safe route" and simply have the Ghosts's entire compliment decide to live out the rest of their lives in hiding, either in the outer rim, or possibly even heaving beyond the galaxy or to that satellite galaxy.

Without Yoda's knowledge? He "watched" Luke grow up through the Force. Would he tell Luke he was last Jedi if there were still others in hiding?

I think we can agree that Yoda has a very loose definition of what constitutes a Jedi by the time he started directly interacting with Luke. And given the various comments about them becoming weakened, or their abilities being diminished by the dark side, perhaps Luke being Vader's son made him stand out a bit more, than other force users/former Jedi that might still be out there.

I mean, there are also comments about there always only being 2 sith - a master and an apprentice, yet we've seen several sith operating at once, so I don't take Yoda's statements as factual.

biostem wrote:I mean, there are also comments about there always only being 2 sith - a master and an apprentice, yet we've seen several sith operating at once, so I don't take Yoda's statements as factual.

When have we seen that?

Rogue 9 wrote:

biostem wrote:I mean, there are also comments about there always only being 2 sith - a master and an apprentice, yet we've seen several sith operating at once, so I don't take Yoda's statements as factual.

When have we seen that?

In Rebels, there was an episode with Sideous and Dooku, but also in hiding was the (gag) reincarnated Darth Maul. So that makes three.

I assume you mean The Clone Wars. And Maul was a renegade after his apparent death, as I recall; didn't Sidious try to kill him?

Also:

SAMAS wrote:I would also point out one thing:

Ashoka and Kanan are both Padawans, and failed ones at that. Obi-Wan and Yoda are Masters, and Council members at that. Which are more suited to training Luke?

I wouldn't classify Kanan as "failed." He didn't wash out; his training was just... forcibly interrupted, in a very final sense.

Oh yes, my bad...yeah it was Clone Wars. And yeah he did try. I can't remember what came of that.

Darth Sidious Attacked both Savage and Darth Maul, killing Savage but Maul escaped and it was also made clear that for all his power Maul was badly outclassed by Sidious.

Yeah, that was basically a small schism. Palpatine even says 'you have become a rival' to Maul, presumably a rival sith master.

That was the "rule of two" in action. It wasn't just that Maul's activities were a threat to Palpatine's manipulations. There is one master and one student and no one else. There can be only one form of infighting and the stronger one was always right and worthy. Vader of course contradicted that idea in one, neat action.

Which is interesting because in his own way, Palpatine honored Maul as much as Palpatine could honor anyone. He went and faced Maul himself, alone, as an equal rival. He could have had Dookue or others act for him or even manipulate things so that Anakin or others could have taken care of Maul but he didn't try that. In Palpatine's eyes, that was the only thing that could have rivaled his own status as Sith Master.

Which is one thing I'll miss from Rebels. It's probably pushing the limits of the Disney channel as it is but I doubt it will ever let something like that duel happen, with named character being cut down on-screen.

I don't know about that.

Ashoka, Kanan, and Ezra's existence is hard to square with the OT, unless they fall to the Dark Side or fake their deaths.

You could probably contrive for one or two of them to live, plausibly, but I think there's a reasonable chance at least one of them will buy it.

Although their's been some talk that they might tie in Rebels to the Rogue One movie, which makes a certain amount of sense. In which case, they could kill one of them in the movie.

Leia and old republic ships interesting.

tbh having those KOTOR/SWTOR Hammerhead ships isn't really that odd, if SWTOR is anything to go by those ships were built to last for a long time. So even if they're no longer front line units it wouldn't be that strange to use them as things like escorts of armed transpors for protection against pirates (who probably won't have up to date equipment either).

And that's assuming those were actually built in the SWTOR/KOTOR era and no new ships that happen to look like the old ones.

tbh having those KOTOR/SWTOR Hammerhead ships isn't really that odd, if SWTOR is anything to go by those ships were built to last for a long time. So even if they're no longer front line units it wouldn't be that strange to use them as things like escorts of armed transpors for protection against pirates (who probably won't have up to date equipment either).

And that's assuming those were actually built in the SWTOR/KOTOR era and no new ships that happen to look like the old ones.

Well Ezra does refer to them a "some old transports" and the back end looks different so a slitly diferent and perhaps newer model hear take a look.





Oh and is it just me or does Leia's voice sound way more mature for a fifteen year old.

I suspect she's using her "public" voice (as member of a royal family she would have been trained how to act in public from a young age) rather then her natural voice, I mean look at difference between the "Amidala" and "Padme" voices in the PT.

Well, this means that Leia definitely knew about their cell. So, her not telling Luke about the jedi pair is interesting. Unless they're both dead/dark side before A New Hope.

Or they could be active in the Rebellion up until the events in ESB. Luke might have learnt some lightsaber skills or some force trick from them before they were killed.

ray245 wrote:Or they could be active in the Rebellion up until the events in ESB. Luke might have learnt some lightsaber skills or some force trick from them before they were killed.

Given that he struggles to merely lift his lightsaber and swings it as a tool rather than as a weapon on Hoth, I doubt that. And given that it was a period of a couple years between ANH and ESB, I seriously doubt they are still alive and active, at least in no position to help him.

Idea that I would love is to have Kanaan, Asoka and possibly Ezra as well put into stasis at the end of Rebels in such a way that they're either "lost" or that it would be "very bad thing" to take them out of stasis for trivial things and/or for a long time, explaining why we don't see them in OT but at the same time not killing them of.