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Posted: 2005-03-01 07:46pm
by Rogue 9
Marcao wrote:Individually, this ship would not be able to defeat a Psychopath. I don’t think any ship in the stars today can.
Not quite true. A ship of my Halcyon class can match a Psychopath and Alyrium's Dominator outpowers one outright. On the other hand, I only have two Halcyons and the Dominator is unique, so that really doesn't get us much of anywhere. :P

Posted: 2005-03-01 07:48pm
by Thirdfain
The Graiai, while not technically a single ship, can also defeat a Psychopath handily.

Posted: 2005-03-01 07:52pm
by SirNitram
Psychos are not the biggest or the baddest period, but they are the most bad-ass mass-produced warship. I beleive three more are on the racks once we get clear numbers for production.

Posted: 2005-03-01 07:52pm
by Nieztchean Uber-Amoeba
Evenually, when the Solidarity gets a refit, she'll outclass a psycho. For now, though, I can only plan for the day.

Posted: 2005-03-01 07:54pm
by Pablo Sanchez
Thirdfain wrote:Pablo, I've been stopped from posting the Fenari movements, because I've spent all day writing up the Fenris Agreement OOB. I was talking to Marcao, my intention was to have their forces launch in support of the Gorn Federation soon after their decleration of support.

Additionally, mod agreement puts the Fenari fleet at a full Minor power's contingent, and their centrally located status and possession of a strategic node means they'll field both significant fixed defenses and a modern wall of battle.
Good of you guys to mention this for the very first time several hours after I posted an attack on them. Posts rescinded, then. If the Fenari were that hard a target the Kzin simply would have moved in support of the UTR operations.

Posted: 2005-03-01 07:55pm
by Thirdfain
Sorry, I figured I had time to finish an OOB and the like. It would have been posted by tonight: I've completed the OOB and have submitted it to Marcao for examination. but he hasn't been online yet.

Posted: 2005-03-01 07:57pm
by Cabwi Desco
I also imagine if, and this is a BIG if, I got the Triumph's near 1000 guns and shields up to galaxy wide specs for power ratings it could get above the psycho... of course that would run its Point Cost up to at least 15

Posted: 2005-03-01 07:59pm
by Pablo Sanchez
Thirdfain wrote:Sorry, I figured I had time to finish an OOB and the like. It would have been posted by tonight: I've completed the OOB and have submitted it to Marcao for examination. but he hasn't been online yet.
No, it's not a problem, I was just being funny. I moved too fast (RPing, that's how the Kzin work) and things get muddled. I forget--who's moderating this game? I thought it was Marcao and me.

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:00pm
by Thirdfain
Yeah, you and Marcao.

-edit- BTW, the numbers we agreed to:

Fenari are a Minor Power, the rest of the organization is a Regional Power's worth of escorts/cruisers, but only 5 points in capships, and the Gorn Loyalists are 25% of a Regional Power's fleet power.

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:02pm
by Rogue 9
Cabwi Desco wrote:I also imagine if, and this is a BIG if, I got the Triumph's near 1000 guns and shields up to galaxy wide specs for power ratings it could get above the psycho... of course that would run its Point Cost up to at least 15
:roll:

The number of guns doesn't matter. What matters is the points invested in the ship. If you increase it to six capital points, it will beat a Psychopath. Doesn't matter how you describe that increase in power in the fluff description, although it's nice for it to make sense.

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:04pm
by InnocentBystander
Rogue 9 wrote:
Cabwi Desco wrote:I also imagine if, and this is a BIG if, I got the Triumph's near 1000 guns and shields up to galaxy wide specs for power ratings it could get above the psycho... of course that would run its Point Cost up to at least 15
:roll:

The number of guns doesn't matter. What matters is the points invested in the ship. If you increase it to six capital points, it will beat a Psychopath. Doesn't matter how you describe that increase in power in the fluff description, although it's nice for it to make sense.
Not by much, since, as I recall, the soft-cap on ship points starts at 6.

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:05pm
by SirNitram
InnocentBystander wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote:
Cabwi Desco wrote:I also imagine if, and this is a BIG if, I got the Triumph's near 1000 guns and shields up to galaxy wide specs for power ratings it could get above the psycho... of course that would run its Point Cost up to at least 15
:roll:

The number of guns doesn't matter. What matters is the points invested in the ship. If you increase it to six capital points, it will beat a Psychopath. Doesn't matter how you describe that increase in power in the fluff description, although it's nice for it to make sense.
Not by much, since, as I recall, the soft-cap on ship points starts at 6.
Ah, soft-cap? I'm unaware of this and it may interference with plans. Enlighten, please?

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:09pm
by Cabwi Desco
Rogue 9 wrote:
Cabwi Desco wrote:I also imagine if, and this is a BIG if, I got the Triumph's near 1000 guns and shields up to galaxy wide specs for power ratings it could get above the psycho... of course that would run its Point Cost up to at least 15
:roll:

The number of guns doesn't matter. What matters is the points invested in the ship. If you increase it to six capital points, it will beat a Psychopath. Doesn't matter how you describe that increase in power in the fluff description, although it's nice for it to make sense.
I know i was just freeballing, and my ship always had near 1000. i was figuring to get ALL the DHTLs and QHTLs and HICs and HPTs and ACMs up super strong it would run 10-15 points

right now its 2 points so i would have to raise it 4 points...

are we only allowed to have TOTAL 15/30/250 if minor? does that ever change In-Game?

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:11pm
by Thirdfain
are we only allowed to have TOTAL 15/30/250 if minor? does that ever change In-Game?
Nope. It can increase, when you build.

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:23pm
by Cabwi Desco
excuse me... Build? as in build up? or out?

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:27pm
by Thirdfain
Build. Build *ships.* In shipyards.

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:29pm
by Cabwi Desco
AH! no actually i meant build POINTS... not ships...unless you did too... :oops:

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:31pm
by Thirdfain
Cabwi, ships ARE points.

You build a Cruiser worth 1 medium point, or a Battleship worth 1 capship point, or a destroyer worth 2 escort points, or whatever.

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:35pm
by Cabwi Desco
but can i have more than 30 medium class ships if theyre all worth one point?

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:37pm
by Thirdfain
YES.

you can build more medium class ships. Depending on how you want to stress your economy, you can build anywhere from a couple to a handful.

Moreover, if you manage to get yourself together and conquer large stretches of industrialised territory, you can drastically increase the ammount of points worth of ship you can build per year.

The starting numbers are just that- starting numbers. You enter the game with 15 Capship points worth of vessels, 30 cruiser points worth, and 250 escort points worth. You can build more, and increase your building rate.

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:39pm
by Pablo Sanchez
Cabwi Desco wrote:but can i have more than 30 medium class ships if theyre all worth one point?
You can slice up and glue together the points however you want. You want a dreadnought worth five capship points? Fine. The deal is, however, there are diminishing returns as get farther from the "one point = one ship" ideal. Keep dividing each point into more and more ships, and you'll end up with a shitload of ships that are too weak too accomplish anything. Sink too many points into a single vessel, and it's so overloaded and clumsy that your enemy can smash it more easily than if you had kept it divided up.

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:43pm
by InnocentBystander
SirNitram wrote:
InnocentBystander wrote:
Rogue 9 wrote: :roll:

The number of guns doesn't matter. What matters is the points invested in the ship. If you increase it to six capital points, it will beat a Psychopath. Doesn't matter how you describe that increase in power in the fluff description, although it's nice for it to make sense.
Not by much, since, as I recall, the soft-cap on ship points starts at 6.
Ah, soft-cap? I'm unaware of this and it may interference with plans. Enlighten, please?
Uhm... it won't in any way shape or form? I think you misread...
Rogue 9 wrote:If you increase it to six capital points, it will beat a Psychopath.
Here Rogue 9 says that in order to beat a 5 point capital ship, you will need a 6 point capital ship.
InnocentBystander wrote:Not by much, since, as I recall, the soft-cap on ship points starts at 6.
Here is me telling Rogue 9 that even though a 6 point Capital ship is better than a 5 point Capital ship, it won't be significantly more powerful because, as I recall, the "soft-cap" is 5 points, after which your ship suffers from decreased returns (thus discouraging players from making a single 15 point warship, or the like).

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:55pm
by Kyle
I've updated my OOB to to give my ship strengths in "point" scale. Just in case something happens with Fifth Fleet in Gorn Space...

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:56pm
by Thirdfain
But what are the chances of that happening?

Posted: 2005-03-01 08:56pm
by Rogue 9
Erm... You hadn't done that in the first place? *SMACK!*