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Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:So, the HAL Tejas as built by New Patria is now available for purchase. How much per airframe?

For you - the first 20 are free as per earlier agreement you sunk money into the R&D (10 of which are in the first batch while I get 50 for a total of 140 aircraft per batch - and a minimum of 4 production batches are expected).

Everyone else - it's 27 million per air frame.

Sea Skimmer wrote:Speaking of which I noticed a couple pages back people are selling fighter planes for unrealistically low prices; a new F/A-18E is a 55 million dollar aircraft with mass production (the first ones in real life cost over 70 million), not counting weapons, spares or ground equipment. Even a budget model MiG-29 with only a moderately decent setup of avionics is a 30 million dollar aircraft, once more without all the stuff you need to actually make it fly and fight.

Hmm... I read that the F-16C/D cost around less than $ 20 million USD.

Hrm. Come to think of it, I think I shall up the prices of my aircraft.

The F-15 ACTIVE and F-16 XL are now $50-60 million apiece. (Wiki says the F-15E costs $43 mil)

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Hmm... I read that the F-16C/D cost around less than $ 20 million USD.

In 1998 dollars; a Block 60 aircraft in current dollars is probably closer to $30M or so.

The F-15 ACTIVE and F-16 XL are now $50-60 million apiece. (Wiki says the F-15E costs $43 mil)

Again, in 1998 dollars, and right underneath it mentions that the F-15K (a modernized F-15E) costs $100M. Your F-15 ACTIVE may cost even more.

Well, the $17,5 mil MiGs could be considered discount, since my aerospace facilities have lots of stuff to do (1) with the fall of OMSK, i need new orders for equipment (2)

I'm not "ignoring" guys there's just too much stuff happening. I was um... asleep, and I can't notice every single reference to me. A special attention call warrants a PM imho

MariusRoi wrote:

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:So, the HAL Tejas as built by New Patria is now available for purchase. How much per airframe?

For you - the first 20 are free as per earlier agreement you sunk money into the R&D (10 of which are in the first batch while I get 50 for a total of 140 aircraft per batch - and a minimum of 4 production batches are expected).

Everyone else - it's 27 million per air frame.

First twenty for me are free? Cool. Fifteen single-seaters and five nuclear strikers (improved ground-attack capability is always a bonus regardless of whether one has nukes or not) should sound good.

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote:First twenty for me are free? Cool. Fifteen single-seaters and five nuclear strikers (improved ground-attack capability is always a bonus regardless of whether one has nukes or not) should sound good.

You were going to get ten and ten, but I guess I go to a 15-5 split.

I think the issue is that many of us don't have access to the unit price of many military equipment, beyond some hard googling or Wiki.

And on a side note, I think we ought to get around to post the times where some of us are awake. For myself, I am 12hrs ahead of Eastern time, and I'm going to be working from next week.

Holy shit, just what the hell is going on in Neverhood anyway? I'm pretty sure Shep didn't set up honest to goodness concentration camps, and those rebels are more than likely responsible for their own atrocities. (maybe justthey have good propaganda!) Regardless, ProTec really is trying to figure just what the hell is going on before it really starts undertaking its contract. They certainly don't want to be involved in Ethnic cleansing, if it is happening. Bur so far it sounds like the rebels are coming out of their strongholds to attack ProShepnukistani's, who are the majority on the East coast, If I understyand it all right. so maybe they Shepnukistani supporters are just he victoms after all

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I think the issue is that many of us don't have access to the unit price of many military equipment, beyond some hard googling or Wiki.

And on a side note, I think we ought to get around to post the times where some of us are awake. For myself, I am 12hrs ahead of Eastern time, and I'm going to be working from next week.

I'm thinking a new country thread might be the ticket.

Post in a common format, a spot for an OOB, a picture, the leaders name and your local time zone.

*wakes up; checks thread*

*left eye begins twitching*

BTW; as I told Raj:

I just ignore DEATH's Map; because unless the west is mountainous, how the hell will any insurgency last a long time; plus, he didn't even believe that Fennec Foxes exist in real life! He thought that people had surgically altered those foxes ears to be that long!

General notice I am turning WIkloia over to RogueIce temporarily. My main computer (this is my work computer0 is on the fritz and that is the one that contains all of my background and planning files so I can't really run things very well without it oh and work tends to get persnickety if I use this computer for too much non-work browsing.

Once I get my main computer back up and running I will take control at least long enough to post my FY11 budget and other fun notes before handing my country off again while the wife and i go on our 1 year anniversary vacation.

ProTec's objectives in Neverhood are basically train the police and army forces in the East so they are professional and not a bunch of militias possibly engaging in ethnic cleansing. The idea is to let the west do what ever the hell it wants, while the East has the forces neccesary to do its own thing unimpeded by the rebels. ProTec does not intend to engage in offensive operations at all. Just though I'd let you all know about it.

So hey shroom, good job! You're responsible for I estimate, conservatively, the deaths of about 25,000~ people, in the convulsive rounds of ethnic cleansing that are now sweeping both West and East Neverhood as a result of the NINJA Jihado-Zionist actions; as people try to settle old scores, and what not.

The PAP has mostly fragmented into what it was before; paramilitary units operating on their own, and doing whatever the hell they feel like; the only PAP units that are still loyal and following orders from Shepnukistan are the ones closest to Nukistani Military bases, being advised by PRO-TEC, and far enough from the ethnic strife to remain aloof from it.

Any good website anywhere detailing the rough break-down of your average "Heavy" and "Light" modern division. I'm looking to see how much I can start cutting back my physical army in addition to my Navy.

Ugh, this situation sucks. So much for a simple contract! I'sure as hel;l aren't goiung to pull what contactors have done when training the Afghan police and whatnot, concentrating solely on quantity and giving crap training, pay, and equipment. The only way to make the PAP what it is suppossed to be is through long and personnel training and carefull selection. Whole units will have to be screened to see who has participated in Massacres. In the mean time actually policing the area will be up in the air. I'm probably going to move in a lot more men simply to move around and try and keep track of all the PAP who have returned to Paramilitary roots and try to keep them from not doiing anything too nasty.

Also, with all the genicideros being deported to Libertopa, things may get worse there.....

Raj Ahten wrote:Ugh, this situation sucks. So much for a simple contract!

Want me to quadruple your contract fees and give you first pick from Surplus Nukistani heavy equipment for the job?

MKSheppard wrote:

Raj Ahten wrote:Ugh, this situation sucks. So much for a simple contract!

Want me to quadruple your contract fees and give you first pick from Surplus Nukistani heavy equipment for the job?

I never say no if my employer increases my pay without me asking

Though it should be said we never quit a contract just because things get tough.

Raj Ahten wrote:

MKSheppard wrote:

Raj Ahten wrote:Ugh, this situation sucks. So much for a simple contract!

Want me to quadruple your contract fees and give you first pick from Surplus Nukistani heavy equipment for the job?

I never say no if my employer increases my pay without me asking

Though it should be said we never quit a contract just because things get tough.

Be warned that the MESS will not look kindly at this.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Be warned that the MESS will not look kindly at this.

The MESS doesn't have jack and shit to stand on, considering that PRO-TEC trained and liasoned units stayed calm in this; while non PRO-TEC units broke and rioted.

PRO-TEC; keeping the peace in an uncertain world!

MKSheppard wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:Be warned that the MESS will not look kindly at this.

The MESS doesn't have jack and shit to stand on, considering that PRO-TEC trained and liasoned units stayed calm in this; while non PRO-TEC units broke and rioted.

PRO-TEC; keeping the peace in an uncertain world!

Oh no, the fact that ProTec is in league with Shepnukistan is enough cause to retaliate.

Neverhood is not a Third World shithole. In all OMSK figures, it had the GDP of a 1st World nation, and it was stated as such in the summary.

Shep's idea that no insurgency can last without mountains is patently false; urban guerilla movements of Brazil immediately come to mind here.

So, all in all...

Stas Bush wrote:Neverhood is not a Third World shithole. In all OMSK figures, it had the GDP of a 1st World nation, and it was stated as such in the summary.

Bean says it's the size of an imperium, but the GDP of about a Duchy or so; due to the problems of DEATH's custom title "Retarded Spambot"

Stas Bush wrote:Neverhood is not a Third World shithole. In all OMSK figures, it had the GDP of a 1st World nation, and it was stated as such in the summary.

Shep's idea that no insurgency can last without mountains is patently false; urban guerilla movements of Brazil immediately come to mind here.

So, all in all...

I think Shep himself forgot that the Iraqi insurgency was largely fought in the cities.

Just what does the MESS not like about ProTec's actions here, specifically? (Do you just not like PMCs?) As Shep said (who is doing a decent job of being my publicist, but I believe I can do that alright myself ) my men were more of a stabilizing element. When rumours of henious shit going down were flying around I imeadiatly went about trying to figure what the hell was going on. Even now some of men are trying to get the West's take on things. So far it looks like the rebels want total control of the place, while the Easterners want no part of that.

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote:I think Shep himself forgot that the Iraqi insurgency was largely fought in the cities.

Except that the Cities of East Neverhood overwhelmingly voted in the plebiscite for Union with Shepnukistan; so it's kinda hard to be an insurgent there where nobody supports ya.