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I guess I could up the input of cash to FASTA to the max of 25billion, and some, by scrapping cash from my linear collider.

So I just noticed the Byzantine Empire is both in the MESS and the SNC, which is basically on par with the idea of say Czechoslovakia join the Warsaw Pact and NATO at the same. Didn’t people agree one thing we needed less of in a game like this is illogical alliance blocks?

Didn’t people agree one thing we needed less of in a game like this is illogical alliance blocks?

Yeah, we did. Apparently this trailed from the old game.

Except the Warsaw Pact and NATO were enemies, while the SNC and MESS aren't. It's more like being in NATO and the EU at the same time.

Besides, the will of countries makes international law. The will of countries and Marina's "stop time and fuck you up" trick, but she doesn't seem to care

Well Skimmer just made an unexpected move.

And the google ads reacted accordingly:



Pray, people. Pray

I will decide what to do when I have done some consultations.

Coyote wrote:Heh. Yes, but remember, the MESS is not going to share something like this with an outside party, especially one that was viewed with suspicion from previous game.

Hey now, we made nice with the MESS (in general) in SDNW1 But if you won't play ball - and the IRT are paranoid about biowar (it tends to halt international trade cold) we'll just be going "WTF is going on?!" and trying to see what the hell this outbreak is, or going to more convert means of getting samples.

Failing that, Marina can simply start infecting more people around the world.

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote: Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about Minoy if I were you. I wrote my own ending to that tale, and they've basically fallen into anarchy after you and Coiler bombed them back to the Stone Age. Most of their military either went to Sabika, went native in the CFR, or just died; Gino Weinberg has dominion over what little remains. Does that sound good?

To be fair to the other CFR factions, though, more than two-thirds of Weinberg's forces are screaming hordes with up-armored Toyotas, and those few planes and choppers are going to fall apart soon unless he finds some skilled technicians fast. If you want him to get his ass kicked, that's good; if you want him to come on top in the CFR and Minoy, that's good too. It all depends.

Well, another warlord will be interesting to say the least. The first group Weinburg will run into will be the Revolutionary Front, and they are a bunch of total bastards. Their better units are likely to chew up a good part of Weinburg's forces, though they are outnumbered.

Guys, I'm back, and shit I'm gonna be BUSY with my nursing stuff.

I think I'll be indefinitely out of the game. I think Shroomania and Prime Minister Shroom can be relegated to "background" roles, not really doing anything internationally significant and not degenerating into shitholes, while still being there... but just not particularly important or something, while still being mentioned and stuff.

Stuff like laser research, Shadow NOD guys making Indhopal agents explode, elephants, and COMMIE CYBORGS! 'Course, other Shroomanian silliness as well.

Goddamn!

Just what the hell is this?

Skimmer arguing with an alliance which could crush him from a position of force?

Moreover, with the MESS possibly on our side?

Wow. Takes a lot of gall, I guess.

Raj Ahten wrote:

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote: Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about Minoy if I were you. I wrote my own ending to that tale, and they've basically fallen into anarchy after you and Coiler bombed them back to the Stone Age. Most of their military either went to Sabika, went native in the CFR, or just died; Gino Weinberg has dominion over what little remains. Does that sound good?

To be fair to the other CFR factions, though, more than two-thirds of Weinberg's forces are screaming hordes with up-armored Toyotas, and those few planes and choppers are going to fall apart soon unless he finds some skilled technicians fast. If you want him to get his ass kicked, that's good; if you want him to come on top in the CFR and Minoy, that's good too. It all depends.

Well, another warlord will be interesting to say the least. The first group Weinburg will run into will be the Revolutionary Front, and they are a bunch of total bastards. Their better units are likely to chew up a good part of Weinburg's forces, though they are outnumbered.

Um, oops. Sorry to disrupt your plans, but I sent 2 tank brigades to destroy the Weinburg troops.

Master_Baerne wrote:

Raj Ahten wrote:

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote: Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about Minoy if I were you. I wrote my own ending to that tale, and they've basically fallen into anarchy after you and Coiler bombed them back to the Stone Age. Most of their military either went to Sabika, went native in the CFR, or just died; Gino Weinberg has dominion over what little remains. Does that sound good?

To be fair to the other CFR factions, though, more than two-thirds of Weinberg's forces are screaming hordes with up-armored Toyotas, and those few planes and choppers are going to fall apart soon unless he finds some skilled technicians fast. If you want him to get his ass kicked, that's good; if you want him to come on top in the CFR and Minoy, that's good too. It all depends.

Well, another warlord will be interesting to say the least. The first group Weinburg will run into will be the Revolutionary Front, and they are a bunch of total bastards. Their better units are likely to chew up a good part of Weinburg's forces, though they are outnumbered.

Um, oops. Sorry to disrupt your plans, but I sent 2 tank brigades to destroy the Weinburg troops.

The more the merrier, I say. A three-way fight between the Weinberg faction (Gino prefers that you not spell his last name with a U), the Revolutionary Front, and those two Baernish heavy armor brigades would be nice.

However, Gino's no idiot. He knows when he'll get his ass handed to him on a silver platter should he so much as twitch slightly. Still, as mentioned previously, two-thirds of his guys are undisciplined mobs with Kalashnikovs, Burp Guns, and Toyotas; Gino and the ex-Minoy Army cadres may be interested in parley, but the gangstas and hillbillies would sooner shoot the Baernish troops than talk to them.

There's also the issue of the Revolutionary Front, which neither the FTO or Gino particularly like to begin with. A temporary alliance between Gino and the Baernish forces to smash the Revolutionary Front to pieces might be reasonable.

So, how widespread is the knowledge of the 'outbreak', for lack of a better term, overall?

Right now, the MESS knows, and apparantly the IRT has somehow managed to get spies of some sort into the area, because phongn managed to be all over that like Genghis Khan on a Swedish princess. But he won't have any samples.

So unless Phongn decides to broadcast it, right now only a small group of people in the MESS know. Even the people in Veleria that were eyewitnesses to things don't have the full set of puzzle pieces, and they'll believe the cover story that will be given that is is a bizarre form of hemmoraghic fever.

Theoretically, phongn's researchers should follow the hemmoraghic fever route, although they may be puzzled by any descriptions given that don't exactly corroborate the story except superficially.

Coyote wrote:Right now, the MESS knows, and apparantly the IRT has somehow managed to get spies of some sort into the area, because phongn managed to be all over that like Genghis Khan on a Swedish princess.

So unless Phongn decides to broadcast it, right now only a small group of people in the MESS know. Even the people in Veleria that were eyewitnesses to things don't have the full set of puzzle pieces, and they'll believe the cover story that will be given that is is a bizarre form of hemmoraghic fever.

Alright, so I have to wait to start my Cult, thank you.

PeZook wrote:Except the Warsaw Pact and NATO were enemies, while the SNC and MESS aren't. It's more like being in NATO and the EU at the same time.

Plus, if you're really cynical one could almost say that the main "conflict" between MESS and SNC (PRSF and Tian Jiao) was really a brilliantly designed plan on their parts.

PRSF attacks Westchester, and while that's going on the CSR decides to establish a naval base there. Freaking out, Westchester runs to another great power for help...in the process becoming basically a territory of Tian Xia. Tian Xia, in their overkill of retreating PRSF forces, allows the CSR a perfect opportunity to waltz in and annex the PRSF. Giving them both, effectively, free land on the Goddamn F-ing Continent.

Of course it'd take a real tinfoil nutter to think this in the game, but they did kinda play into each others hands there, one might observe. Whether by accident or design, well, that's up to you to decide.

But aside from all that, we generally have a record of good cooperation between our nations anyway. So it's not too far fetched that Byzantium would have joined the SNC since that's something of an ethnic thing anyway (and the MESS was around first). Really the USSR being a part of it is more odd than Byzantium, seeing as how the Shadows started two world wars; as I recall the history, Byzantium, Pezookia, the CSR and various MESS nations (both before the MESS existed and after) fought on the same side, and we never really had a Cold War afterwards.

TL;DR version: Byzantium being in SNC and MESS isn't as oddball as Skimmer might like (prefer?) to believe.

I will admit my half was pretty much deliberately planned. Stas, however, stepped in with his big (but poorly maintained) russian military-cock flapping in the wind and decided he was going to profit too. I suppose one could congratulate him for being such a magnificent bastard, but I dislike his continued obsession with a pair of duchies.

Master_Baerne wrote:

Raj Ahten wrote:

Shinn Langley Soryu wrote: Personally, I wouldn't worry too much about Minoy if I were you. I wrote my own ending to that tale, and they've basically fallen into anarchy after you and Coiler bombed them back to the Stone Age. Most of their military either went to Sabika, went native in the CFR, or just died; Gino Weinberg has dominion over what little remains. Does that sound good?

To be fair to the other CFR factions, though, more than two-thirds of Weinberg's forces are screaming hordes with up-armored Toyotas, and those few planes and choppers are going to fall apart soon unless he finds some skilled technicians fast. If you want him to get his ass kicked, that's good; if you want him to come on top in the CFR and Minoy, that's good too. It all depends.

Well, another warlord will be interesting to say the least. The first group Weinburg will run into will be the Revolutionary Front, and they are a bunch of total bastards. Their better units are likely to chew up a good part of Weinburg's forces, though they are outnumbered.

Um, oops. Sorry to disrupt your plans, but I sent 2 tank brigades to destroy the Weinburg troops.

It's alright, my plan is essentially being thrown out the window. My new "plan" is to provide a safe haven for refugees and hold onto the biggest diamond mines so the Revolutionary Front doesn't get them. Otherwise the factions can fight it out.

Stas Bush wrote:Just what the hell is this?

Skimmer arguing with an alliance which could crush him from a position of force?

Moreover, with the MESS possibly on our side?

Wow. Takes a lot of gall, I guess.

You know, I’m just kind of pissed off that I deliberately neutered my entire military to play fair to smaller powers, because I knew I could afford more then the entire Soviet military with ease given the lack of expensive SSBNs and ICBMs will still keeping spending within sanity, and then everyone just goes and does the same stupid shit they did last time. I wanted an interesting game, a game with one world power bloc is not interesting and not worth my time.

PeZook wrote:Except the Warsaw Pact and NATO were enemies, while the SNC and MESS aren't. It's more like being in NATO and the EU at the same time.

Being in NATO and the EU works because NATO is a tightly defined military alliance with geographic limits on what it covers (mainly, nothing outside of Europe except Turkey), and virtually all the nations involved are in both. The EU had no military component until just a few years ago as well. That’s a hell of a lot different then a pair of separate alliance blocs which being joined into a global spanning suicide pact by just one country.

We're all upset about something, I'm upset that I got stuck with an enormous liability that I can't in any way, shape or form afford. I am of course talking about South Valeria. I gain absolutely nothing from that colony. If I had any sense I should have insisted that it received independence or internal government a couple of years ago.

Next time I get an island I'll make sure there are no other commitments anywhere on the globe.

Sea Skimmer wrote:You know, I’m just kind of pissed off that I deliberately neutered my entire military to play fair to smaller powers, because I knew I could afford more then the entire Soviet military with ease given the lack of expensive SSBNs and ICBMs will still keeping spending within sanity, and then everyone just goes and does the same stupid shit they did last time.

Like what?

Norseman wrote:We're all upset about something, I'm upset that I got stuck with an enormous liability that I can't in any way, shape or form afford. I am of course talking about South Valeria. I gain absolutely nothing from that colony. If I had any sense I should have insisted that it received independence or internal government a couple of years ago.

Next time I get an island I'll make sure there are no other commitments anywhere on the globe.

I would have thought it gained you a great deal of raw materials hacked out of the ground by slaves, thus making slavery slightly more economical in a modern economy. I mean you want to talk liability… slaves are just ugh.

Having to defend a colony is hardly a great liability anyway when you face no other ground threat at all. Your main island could be defended totally by militia for an army, and heck your nation is small enough to even build an Atlantic Wall along the entire coastline plus bunkers covering airborne landing zone. Just make the slaves built it all over 40 years.

Coyote wrote:
Like what?

Did I not already say it? Anyway just forget about it for right now, I don’t feel like dealing with it.


Also I want that post sinking the eco terrorist Foxtrot declared invalid. Japanistan still operates no less then 22 Foxtrots, meaning that identifying the target by sonar alone is totally insufficient. It would be able to hide pretty well amid an island and pack ice riddled artic coastline anyway, all that breaking ice can drown out just about anything if you stay close enough.

Yeah, I do have to admit that a sonar ident is pretty poor. Is that a serious request for a moderator judgement, Skimmer?

The Duchess of Zeon wrote:Yeah, I do have to admit that a sonar ident is pretty poor. Is that a serious request for a moderator judgement, Skimmer?

Yes it is.

Its not like the sub is going to run a rampage across the globe if it doesn’t didn’t get sunk so quickly anyway, and plus is to track it back to whatever its home base just happens to be…. Sinking it deliberately in deep water, this does not compute