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Shroom Man 777 wrote:@ Yenchin:

You can do awesome biotech experiments in the space station and send it back to Earth. Then the space capsule ends up landing in a quiet Shroomanian town and your experiment breaks out and starts eating people and growing bigger!

Grins evilly

Of the "Big Three" in Mangka, one is named "FORMOSA Initiative", the other called "Parasol Corporation", you know sooner or later something is going to happen

We need IM so we can all chats. Everyone get MSN.

FASTA is official!

Now, there is endless possibility for story posts about our valiant struggle towards the Moons!

And rocket explosions, and fires and launch failures and near-death experiences and heat shield failures and sabotage by loonies and...

But right now, everybody's excited

Remember, folks: It took 500 thousand highly educated specialists to make Apollo a reality. Think Nova Terrans have what it takes?

On that note, we need Nuclear Commerce Ships to ship spaceship parts all over the New World, to Comona and stuff.

We need at least a couple for the FASTA.

Astronaut training in North Point's TOP GUN institute! From beach volleyball to SPACE Volleyball!


MESS mangs, we need your monies! Give us ROBs!

PeZook wrote:

Fingolfin_Noldor wrote: Well, the difference is that in capitalist systems, insurance companies take the money to invest. Since some nations adopt the extreme end of socialism, which is communism, well.... what is there to invest in?

Commodities and state-owned industries. The only socialist country on Nova Terra is the Red Technocracy, and they are not communist. They actually have a private sector, and probably a stock exchange.

I'm not sure how the USSR handled that, but the PRL had a state-owned insurer (PZU) which invested the money just fine.

I'm a socialist too.

[OOC: Shady, don't bother with SCUDs, mang. We're giving you a discount to rebuild your military stronger than ever, but don't go bankrupt your country. Besides, SCUDs aren't THAT long ranged. The only nations within range are the Central Sea nations... like PeZookia Confused]

Damn you ruined my evil plan. I won't be buying SCUDS, i have other ideas.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:On that note, we need Nuclear Commerce Ships to ship spaceship parts all over the New World, to Comona and stuff.

Yeah, we'll need to build them to service the tracking stations. But...damn, the ISCA has no capacity left!

We'll need to contract somebody to do it

Hmm...thinking about the plant, it's entirely possible the first landing will be delayed. After all, the proposed network of floating tracking stations will only start to come online in 2013.

Right now, we can easily use existing commerce assets to move rockets. The problems will start when we'll have to ship Vulkans to Comona Island

We'll have to construct a completely new port, with cranes...a railway line, and other support facilities.

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Astronaut training in North Point's TOP GUN institute! From beach volleyball to SPACE Volleyball!


MESS mangs, we need your monies! Give us ROBs!

Heh

We'll need to build an entire training centre, a hospital and living quarters at Comona and Korolev spaceports. After all, the first program are Soyuz flights intended to develop and perfect the docking systems.

I can see the first launch of the Target Vehicle in Q4 2011, followed by two unmanned Soyuz flights ; then two or three manned flights to test docking systems. The program culminates in launching an ALMAZ space station and establishing a regular supply route to it using PROGRESS supply ships.

That's step one. Step two will involve the lunar module developed in the preceding time

So...get ready for Selene flights 1-5!

(I propose we only use "Selene" for flights involving the Soyuz capsule, manned or unmanned)

BIG question: Should we make the lunar module standardized between the Lonestarian Orion and the Soyuz?

The Soyuz is much cheaper, but the Orion has more capability. It's bigger, and it can stay in orbit completely unmanned for several months, so I can definitely see it playing a big role in the exploration of space.

It would be good if the lunar module is compatible with it.

Um. Prime Minister Shroom will make happy speeches to appease the people and make them go ga-ga over the moon landings - sort of like JFK!

The rest of you brainier dudes can go sort that matter out.

Um. Or one of you guys could lend me a Nazi rocket scientist to educate me on these matters

EDIT:

If there are no drawbacks to standardization, then go for it.

What's all this from the MESS members about chipping in individually for FASTA? We have an agency for this already: MESS Space Agency. It'll partner with the FUN nations for the space missions. Probably end up paying about half the cost of the missions. The MSA won't be pitching in to help with ground construction, however.

Drake (Sea Dragon rocket) will be ready for testing about Q4 2011. It'll provide a capability to launch approximately 600 tons to LEO. Currently planning on using it to launch an orbital propellant farm (amongst other uses).

Drake (Sea Dragon rocket) will be ready for testing about Q4 2011. It'll provide a capability to launch approximately 600 tons to LEO. Currently planning on using it to launch an orbital propellant farm (amongst other uses).

Can it do manned launches? What's the cost per launch? This monstrosity is like...four Vulkans. It could build a lunar outpost with six months of endurance in one launch.

With a tool like that, space colonization will be a breeze

If there are no drawbacks to standardization, then go for it.

That's the thing, though: systems integration is expensive. Especially if Lonestar already chose the docking system, and we end up with two different ones

I'm trying to think what the hell Indhopal could do for the space mission for only $50 million a year. Random design work? Number checking? Provide security (or the catering )?

On the issue of standardization, lets go for it. Where is FASTA going to have its headquarters and meetings to get all of this organized?

Raj Ahten wrote:I'm trying to think what the hell Indhopal could do for the space mission for only $50 million a year. Random design work? Number checking? Provide security (or the catering )?

Physical training?

I could see an Indophal astronaut on the team, seeing as all of you guys are crazy about being mercenaries

Votech specialists?

Cold, hard cash for other people?

Well, a lot of small countries can contribute in a lot of ways. New Gottland could make a space-edible version of those fish biscuits of theirs

PeZook wrote:

Raj Ahten wrote:I'm trying to think what the hell Indhopal could do for the space mission for only $50 million a year. Random design work? Number checking? Provide security (or the catering )?

Physical training?

I could see an Indophal astronaut on the team, seeing as all of you guys are crazy about being mercenaries

Votech specialists?

Cold, hard cash for other people?

Physical training wouldn't be a bad idea actually, given Indhopal has state of the art training facilities.Guess we can put the astronauts through basic or whatever in Indhopal, and I could also just provide some of the thousands of scientists neccesary for the mission from the university.

And...creationism appears on Nova Terra!

Only now it is, you know, correct

Shroom Man 777 wrote:Well, a lot of small countries can contribute in a lot of ways. New Gottland could make a space-edible version of those fish biscuits of theirs

If you study the space program long enough, you get stunned with the sheer amount of small-time stuff which had to be done.

Aside the Saturn Vs and Apollo capsules and huge radars and launch pads and lunar landers, there are hundreds of thousand of food choices, mission planning, calculations, estimated, feasibility studies, meetings...

Then there are people who have to feed and clothe everybody involved, and heat the buildings, and manufacture the living spaces and produce the seat padding and the gauges and ball bearings...

Indhopal's guys could work with Shroomanian bodybuilders to create the necessary physical regimens needed to maintain manly musculature in the emasculating ravages of deep space.

MacMillan must create a secret formula of BodyOil that can work in zero gravity!

Like, oily moist towelettes that astronauts can rub all over themselves. Of course, disposing these things would be totally...

Indhopal shall provide FASTA facilities with quality ProTec-approved plastic and folding chairs! Oh, and bullet proof glass for the windows of those buildings near the launch device or something...

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AUGH! PeZook! That made my science hurt!

PeZook wrote:

Drake (Sea Dragon rocket) will be ready for testing about Q4 2011. It'll provide a capability to launch approximately 600 tons to LEO. Currently planning on using it to launch an orbital propellant farm (amongst other uses).

Can it do manned launches? What's the cost per launch? This monstrosity is like...four Vulkans. It could build a lunar outpost with six months of endurance in one launch.

With a tool like that, space colonization will be a breeze

I believe it can do manned launches. Cost is about $500 million per launch, at least initially. The launch vehicle should be fully reusable as well, which will cut costs compared to other heavy lift vehicles. The biggest problem is that it's extremely inefficient in terms of fuel. Makes the lift off mass about 18000 tons. However, that massively simplifies the design of the engine.

Allow Canissia to take the lead in robotics and automation aspects, and we shall deliver big-time.

Go and build me my T-800!

Beowulf wrote:What's all this from the MESS members about chipping in individually for FASTA? We have an agency for this already: MESS Space Agency. It'll partner with the FUN nations for the space missions. Probably end up paying about half the cost of the missions. The MSA won't be pitching in to help with ground construction, however.

Drake (Sea Dragon rocket) will be ready for testing about Q4 2011. It'll provide a capability to launch approximately 600 tons to LEO. Currently planning on using it to launch an orbital propellant farm (amongst other uses).

Hmm Ok. My chip will go through the MSA then.

By the way, what do you have by way of launch vehicles that can launch from space platforms?

Zor wrote:I beleive it was a Blackbeard Missile armed with a nuclear warhead.

It was an enhanced Tradewind Pebble bed based nuclear thermal rocket upper stage for one of teh Red Technocracy's heavy lifters.

Union Aerospace Corporations' new RAR division returns first results

The newly established RAR division working overtime has returned it's first proposal; a nuclear pebble bed reactor-powered third stage for UKB's Vulcan rocket; which raises the amount of cargo that can be delivered to low lunar orbit from the Vulcan's current 32 tons to a colossal 50 tons, thanks to the Nukebeard booster stage.

The RAR division's head was contacted via telephone, and he had this to say:

"This is just the beginning. The engine we have in mind can deliver almost 250,000 kilograms of thrust, which is the equivalent of slightly more thrust than the Titan III's central core can deliver. We're only really limited by the amount of weight the Vulcan can lift to low earth orbit. With the current configuration, we're limited to 100 metric tons. We've done some calculations and if more strap-on boosters are added to the Vulcan, raising it's LEO payload to 145 metric tons, we can stretch the Nukebeard booster; adding more tankage, and raising LLO payload to 75 metric tons."

If the RAR division's Nukebeard proposal is accepted by the UAC Council of Member States, engineering work will begin to transform this proposal into reality.


Drawing of the proposed Nukebeard. Blue is the interstage, Red is the Nukebeard booster itself, and Yellow is a projected payload enclosure

Shep, are you interested in stimulating your country's damaged economy by selling me some Blackbeards?

Shroom Man 777 wrote:We need IM so we can all chats. Everyone get MSN.

kinda hard, my system is still down after a week, waiting for someone to get off their lazy ass and look at it!

I still think it's just the RAM giving out, as it was giving indications of that before.

oh, and the LOGO for FASTA reminds me of Gallactica, so should FASTA develop any subsidiatiries how about one name FRAK

MKSheppard wrote:It was an enhanced Tradewind Pebble bed based nuclear thermal rocket upper stage for one of teh Red Technocracy's heavy lifters.

So what the heck do you want me to do with it? As of now, the entire facility is under quarantine, especially when the company in question is in God knows what state due to the civil war.