Star Wars Starship Battles

Hotfoot · Post by **Hotfoot** » 2006-12-12 01:15am

Well, I stayed away from the collectable minis game from WotC because, well, frankly, tactical battles with Chewie and Luke just aren't really my cup of tea. I'll admit I wouldn't mind doing Hoth (especially with those massive AT-AT's lumbering about, damn), but that I can do for "free" at a convention because some other poor schmuck shelled out ~$400 for all the pieces needed.

However, over the weekend, this sweetness caught my eye. Yes, that's a roughly six inch miniature SSD and big-ass calamari ship. I'd buy the starter set for the Executor alone, but the rest of it intrigues me. While there are some stupid things (like naboo fighters, ugh) the entire game fascinates me. I'll admit, I'm a sucker for starship combat games, and, well, STAR WARS. The models look quite nice, has anyone else tried this, or even seen it?

Post by **Vympel** » 2006-12-12 01:29am

The SW canon side of it has been discussed extensively on PSW, so yeah, we're aware of it

I might get them as well.

Ritterin Sophia · Post by **Ritterin Sophia** » 2006-12-12 03:17am

I buy minis for one reason, and that reason is for them to be used in conjunction with the Star Wars RPG. So... yeah, I'm gettin' it.

000 · Post by **000** » 2006-12-12 10:38am

I heard (via Ender, I think) that the prequel minis, at least, are molded using the 3-D models made for the movies. The VenStar & Recusant, at least, look incredibly like their movie counterparts.

I'll be getting a chance to check this all out come Christmas (bought it as a gift for a relative), and I'm looking forward to it.

Oh yeah, and: 17 km Viscount. Still in awe of that decision.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2006-12-12 10:39am

the minis aren't scaled right. Why is the mon cal ship that comes with the starter the same lenght as the executor?

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2006-12-12 10:46am

Symmetry? aesthetics?

The game does seem cool, but it sure smells like a CCG style money-sink.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-12-12 10:52am

I dunno: the starter thing is both cheap and actually worth something ingame, unlike CCGs. If the Executor model wasn't wrong I'd buy it.

000 · Post by **000** » 2006-12-12 11:06am

Shep: She's far more massive than regular Mon Cal vessels-- 17 km, like I said.

Anyway, it'd be impossible to scale everything properly, so... I don't think they even bothered.

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2006-12-12 11:26am

What the fuck? Who decided to give the rebels an equivalent to the Executor?!!?!?!?

*shep is getting shades of bullshit made up vessels so both sides are 'balanced', ala Rebellion*

Don't these idiots understand that the Rebellion CANT afford the huge death ships that the empire can?

000 · Post by **000** » 2006-12-12 11:28am

The Rebels can't, but the New Republic can. Viscount was ordered seventeen years after Yavin and commissioned about eight years after that.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-12-12 11:28am

Hey, at least it isn't the converted luxury cruiser ship Executor-equivalent from Rebellion.

Edward Yee · Post by **Edward Yee** » 2006-12-12 12:17pm

To be fair, when it comes to things like this, I tend to say that house rules will suffice to fix the issue.

NRS Guardian · Post by **NRS Guardian** » 2006-12-12 07:54pm

Yes, the Viscount is found in the NJO. The NR put out an Executor equivalent 21 years after Endor that isn't bullshit, it's common sense.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2006-12-13 12:27am

Stark wrote:Hey, at least it isn't the converted luxury cruiser ship Executor-equivalent from Rebellion.

Technically, the Dauntless is an ISDII equivalent. The Bulwark (an ugly POS) is supposed to have always been a dedicated combat vessel...if retarded looking.

InnocentBystander · Post by **InnocentBystander** » 2006-12-13 03:54am

Stark wrote:Hey, at least it isn't the converted luxury cruiser ship Executor-equivalent from Rebellion.

Because, of course, the Rebellion has never been known to convert luxury liners into military vessels with any success . . .

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-12-13 04:24am

RogueIce wrote:Technically, the Dauntless is an ISDII equivalent. The Bulwark (an ugly POS) is supposed to have always been a dedicated combat vessel...if retarded looking.

Really? Eh, I haven't seen the Rebellion manual in years. I just remember my shock at 'wtf the rebels can build a ship better than Executor'.

IB wrote:Because, of course, the Rebellion has never been known to convert luxury liners into military vessels with any success . . .

It's still STUPID. Indeed, I thought the MonCal ships being 'converted civilian ships' and 'unique works of art' had ended up on the scraphead of lame EU concepts ages ago. Just like 'roffle teh rebs have redundant shields a huge advantage the Imperials never though of lol they don't even shield fighters!11'.

000 · Post by **000** » 2006-12-13 11:41am

The Bulwark from Rebellion was an an updated version of a Clone War CIS vessel that was only 1000 meters long-- Dan Wallace suggested the Rebellion one was a mark IV and somewhat larger, although having it as an Executor-equivalent was mostly just game mechanics.

As for MonCal liners-to-combat-warships: recent Clone War era literature nixed that idea, which is now best explained as Rebel propaganda.

Ace Pace · Post by **Ace Pace** » 2006-12-13 11:51am

Looks neat, if for nothing else as replacement for the ship sets in Twilight Imperium III.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2006-12-13 04:12pm

Stark wrote:
RogueIce wrote:Technically, the Dauntless is an ISDII equivalent. The Bulwark (an ugly POS) is supposed to have always been a dedicated combat vessel...if retarded looking.
Really? Eh, I haven't seen the Rebellion manual in years. I just remember my shock at 'wtf the rebels can build a ship better than Executor'.

IIRC, The SSD will beat a Bulwark in a straight fight (unless you throw in fighters), game-wise at least.

000 wrote:The Bulwark from Rebellion was an an updated version of a Clone War CIS vessel that was only 1000 meters long-- Dan Wallace suggested the Rebellion one was a mark IV and somewhat larger, although having it as an Executor-equivalent was mostly just game mechanics.

I have no problem with a New Republic SSD-equivalent. It makes sense that they'd eventually figure it out. But the way it was presented in SW Rebellion just looked retarded.

However, I saw a pic of it from EaW and it looks a little better at least. So maybe there is some hope for it yet.

000 · Post by **000** » 2006-12-13 04:18pm

The Bulwark-class wasn't in EaW...

It also, given newer information, probably wasn't in Executor's size class. At most its tonnage might have put it on a par with pocket SSDs like Allegiance, but given that the original was only 1000 meters in length, probably not.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2006-12-13 05:00pm

Wow, really? So they just grabbed some EU ship and wanked it out to Executor level for game mechanics? Weak.

000 · Post by **000** » 2006-12-13 05:02pm

No, they took the ship from Rebellion and deflated it to VSD-size.

Equally weak, though.

Post by **RogueIce** » 2006-12-13 06:04pm

000 wrote:The Bulwark-class wasn't in EaW...

Then I have been lied to. Maybe it ended up in Warlords? Or a Mod of some sort? Because I did see a pic of it missile spamming.

000 · Post by **000** » 2006-12-13 06:22pm

It was in one of the incarnations of Warlords, so that's probably what you saw.

Rawtooth · Post by **Rawtooth** » 2006-12-13 06:37pm

Here is a review of it at DakkaDakka.com