BBC wrote:The final design for a "doomsday" vault that will house seeds from all known varieties of food crops has been unveiled by the Norwegian government.
The Svalbard International Seed Vault will be built into a mountainside on a remote island near the North Pole.
The vault aims to safeguard the world's agriculture from future catastrophes, such as nuclear war, asteroid strikes and climate change.
Construction begins in March, and the seed bank is scheduled to open in 2008.
The Norwegian government is paying the $5m (£2.5m) construction costs of the vault, which will have enough space to house three million seed samples.
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The collection and maintenance of the collection is being organised by the Global Crop Diversity Trust, which has responsibility of ensuring the "conservation of crop diversity in perpetuity".
"We want a safety net because we do not want to take too many chances with crop biodiversity," said Cary Fowler, the Trust's executive secretary.
"Can you imagine an effective, efficient, sustainable response to climate change, water shortages, food security issues without what is going to go in the vault - it is the raw material of agriculture."
Future proof
The seed vault will be built 120m (364ft) inside a mountain on Spitsbergen, one of four islands that make up Svalbard.
Dr Fowler said Svalbard, 1,000km (621 miles) north of mainland Norway, was chosen as the location for the vault because it was very remote and it also offered the level of stability required for the long-term project.
"We looked very far into the future. We looked at radiation levels inside the mountain, and we looked at the area's geological structure," he told BBC News.
"We also modelled climate change in a drastic form 200 years into future, which included the melting of ice sheets at the North and South Poles, and Greenland, to make sure that this site was above the resulting water level."
By building the vault deep inside the mountain, the surrounding permafrost would continue to provide natural refrigeration if the mechanical system failed, explained Dr Fowler.
'Living Fort Knox'
The Arctic vault will act as a back-up store for a global network of seed banks financially supported by the trust.
Dr Fowler said that a proportion of the seeds housed at these banks would be deposited at Svalbard, which will act as a "living Fort Knox".
Although the vault was designed to protect the specimens from catastrophic events, he added that it could also be used to replenish national seed banks.
"One example happened in September when a typhoon ripped through the Philippines and destroyed its seed bank," Dr Fowler recalled.
"The storm brought two feet of water and mud into the bank, and that is the last thing you want in a seed bank."
Low maintenance
Once inside the vault, the samples will be stored at -18C (0F). The length of time that seeds kept in a frozen state maintain their ability to germinate depends on the species.
Some crops, such as peas, may only survive for 20-30 years. Others, such as sunflowers and grain crops, are understood to last for many decades or even hundreds of years.
Once the collection has been established at Svalbard, Dr Fowler said the facility would operate with very little human intervention.
"Somebody will go up there once every year to physically check inside to see that everything is OK, but there will be no full-time staff," he explained.
"If you design a facility to be used in worst-case scenarios, then you cannot actually have too much dependency on human beings."
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Wonder who I contact if I want to send seeds....
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Fallout is not far.
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Ideally, they would have the actual seeds from the non-hybrid bananas our current stock is derived from. It doesn't take Doomsday for this place to be useful. It would be a handy backup for gradual, human-made calamities of the genetic variety.General Brock wrote:What are the plans for bananas? Can cuttings be put on ice?
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Yeah, I believe they're using the non-GM varieties of seeds, since they'd be the healthiest/strongest and best to use in a post-apocalyptic world.
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I just thought of a major stumbling block here. How are the survivors going to reach the site after in a post apocalyptic era when it is on an island in the arctic? And even if the survivors find it are they going to know what to do with the seeds? Its still a good idea but I personally think that more sites should be chosen as a backup plan incase something goes wrong.
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I find it difficult to believe the people with the resources to ride out a Doomsday event in Norway (or anywhere else) won't have this place at the top of their 'to do' list when it comes time to put things back together.darthkommandant wrote:I just thought of a major stumbling block here. How are the survivors going to reach the site after in a post apocalyptic era when it is on an island in the arctic? And even if the survivors find it are they going to know what to do with the seeds? Its still a good idea but I personally think that more sites should be chosen as a backup plan incase something goes wrong.
The starving masses, on the other hand, might do more harm than good if they had access to such sites.
Having more vaults, though, would defray the damage if this site and the handful of others around the world became just one more thing to fight over.
Not familiar with the "HDM Trilogy" at all, but Svalbard was also the location where the tomb of God in James Morrow's Towing Jehovah was built.Admiral Valdemar wrote:I'm getting The Last Train, Titan A.E. and similar images here. Also, Svalbard. Anyone who's read the HDM trilogy will know the significance of that place.
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Soon are the days of .... FALLOUT!
That's slightly premature - given that fallout was "not far off" during the cold war when kids practiced duck-and-cover in schools and everyone was building fallout shelters in their back yard.Stas Bush wrote:Somehow my thoughts are exactly mirroring KK's.
Fallout is not far.
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Nuclear Winter is a myth I'm afraid.Magus wrote:KrauserKrauser wrote:The first of the vaults are constructed.
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Soon are the days of .... FALLOUT!That's slightly premature - given that fallout was "not far off" during the cold war when kids practiced duck-and-cover in schools and everyone was building fallout shelters in their back yard.Stas Bush wrote:Somehow my thoughts are exactly mirroring KK's.
Fallout is not far.
Carl Sagan was a great man and incredible writer (I'm reading "A candle in the dark now" and prefer it over "The God delusion") but his "model" for
predicting "nuclear winter" was baloney and didn't include oceans or mountains.
That aside I'm joining the club of those whose first thoughts upon reading the article were "Fallout, Vault 13, Deathclaws, The New Norwegian Enclave shall rise again!"° Myth: Unsurvivable "nuclear winter" surely will follow a nuclear war. The world will be frozen if only 100 megatons (less than one percent of all nuclear weapons) are used to ignite cities. World-enveloping smoke from fires and the dust from surface bursts will prevent almost all sunlight and solar heat from reaching the earth's surface. Universal darkness for weeks! Sub-zero temperatures, even in summertime! Frozen crops, even in the jungles of South America! Worldwide famine! Whole species of animals and plants exterminated! The survival of mankind in doubt!
° Facts: Unsurvivable "nuclear winter" is a discredited theory that, since its conception in 1982, has been used to frighten additional millions into believing that trying to survive a nuclear war is a waste of effort and resources, and that only by ridding the world of almost all nuclear weapons do we have a chance of surviving.
Non-propagandizing scientists recently havecalculated that the climatic and other environmental effects of even an all-out nuclear war would be much less severe than the catastrophic effects repeatedly publicized by popular astronomer Carl Sagan and his fellow activist scientists, and by all the involved Soviet scientists. Conclusions reached from these recent, realistic calculations are summarized in an article, "Nuclear Winter Reappraised", featured in the 1986 summer issue of Foreign Affairs, the prestigious quarterly of the Council on Foreign Relations. The authors, Starley L. Thompson and Stephen H. Schneider, are atmospheric scientists with the National Center for Atmospheric Research. They showed " that on scientific grounds the global apocalyptic conclusions of the initial nuclear winter hypothesis can now be relegated to a vanishing low level of probability."
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While backing up the 'originals' is a good idea, is this actually true? I thought the whole damn point of GM agriculture was that they were better than the regular version, more resistant to disease, more efficient, etc etc. In what way are they less healthy or less strong? Even if they are, surely you could specifically design strains of these plants for hardiness over all else?CaptainChewbacca wrote:Yeah, I believe they're using the non-GM varieties of seeds, since they'd be the healthiest/strongest and best to use in a post-apocalyptic world.
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Nuclear Winter? Perhaps. Wasting human habitat and creating large areas void of life or severely irradiated due to Fallout? Quite so.Nuclear Winter is a myth I'm afraid.
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Yep, my first thought was Fallout as well. On an aside, I can foresee radiation, poor light or soil conditions being pretty hard for the non-GM plants to deal with.
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In theory, yes, but in practice that isn't yet the case. Right now 95% of commercially available banannas are genetically identical. If some plant virus or blight gets one, they're all susceptible and wiped out shortly thereafter. Many crops have a high degree of genetic similarity. You are right in that GM plants can be tougher/better, but similarity is a weakness to disease.Stark wrote:While backing up the 'originals' is a good idea, is this actually true? I thought the whole damn point of GM agriculture was that they were better than the regular version, more resistant to disease, more efficient, etc etc. In what way are they less healthy or less strong? Even if they are, surely you could specifically design strains of these plants for hardiness over all else?CaptainChewbacca wrote:Yeah, I believe they're using the non-GM varieties of seeds, since they'd be the healthiest/strongest and best to use in a post-apocalyptic world.
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