Elves and Camoflauge?

Brother-Captain Gaius · Post by **Brother-Captain Gaius** » 2003-01-20 02:51am

D&D and LotR elves versus modern-day BDUs. Would an elf be able to spot someone in them (assuming the wearer was in relevant terrain)? If so, what about a sniper with a ghuille (sp?) suit?

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-20 03:11am

I don't know about the opposition, but about LotR elves: Legolas was able to see a pack of Uruk-hai moving from miles upon miles away.

I think an elf would be able to spot any person in camoflauge.

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2003-01-20 03:25am

D&D Elves would have a very good chance to spot you , especially Archer and Ranger classes. Call it a 75% Chance to spot a camoed human.

LotR Elves, especially thoes from Lothlorien and Mirkwood(Such as Legolas Greenleaf) would be able to tell you how many freckles you have on your face before putting an arrow through your right eye.......No chance of spoofing them at all

Captain tycho · Post by **Captain tycho** » 2003-01-20 03:55am

Sokar wrote:D&D Elves would have a very good chance to spot you , especially Archer and Ranger classes. Call it a 75% Chance to spot a camoed human.

LotR Elves, especially thoes from Lothlorien and Mirkwood(Such as Legolas Greenleaf) would be able to tell you how many freckles you have on your face before putting an arrow through your right eye.......No chance of spoofing them at all

No, LOTR elves would be able to spot mites on your head before putting ten arrows into your assorted 'crotch area' parts.....

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2003-01-20 05:13am

Elves would be screwed if everyone else started wearing patten 44 SS
camo.

IIRC, one of the demos that used to be shown in basic training was
to have a guy stand at 1,000 yards in a white shirt. Was easily
visible. Guy then puts on a green shirt, and he becomes that
much harder to spot.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-20 05:38am

MKSheppard wrote:Elves would be screwed if everyone else started wearing patten 44 SS
camo.

IIRC, one of the demos that used to be shown in basic training was
to have a guy stand at 1,000 yards in a white shirt. Was easily
visible. Guy then puts on a green shirt, and he becomes that
much harder to spot.

*Gives Elves thermal-imaging goggles*

Thunderfire · Post by **Thunderfire** » 2003-01-20 05:54am

Admiral Valdemar wrote: *Gives Elves thermal-imaging goggles*

D&D elves already have this(infra or night vision).

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-01-20 06:28am

Thunderfire wrote:
Admiral Valdemar wrote: *Gives Elves thermal-imaging goggles*
D&D elves already have this(infra or night vision)

, but it doesn't work in day light.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-20 06:47am

Thats because they are in their element, I'd love to see how the LoTR or D&D Elves handled a squad of Rangers in apporate Camo in a snow covered Forest(Trust me, they can move quietly)

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-01-20 07:11am

Mr Bean wrote:Thats because they are in their element, I'd love to see how the LoTR or D&D Elves handled a squad of Rangers in apporate Camo in a snow covered Forest(Trust me, they can move quietly)

What Rangers? The yankee special forces kind, B5 Mimbari pricks with them sticks, Dunadan from Middle-Earth or what, there are numerous different types of rangers?
And what makes you think that elves would be out of their element in a snow covered enviroment? Legolas sure didn't have much problems in LoTR.

Besides the effectiveness of camo in the winter is dimished by the fact that you'll leave prints in the snow no matter what you do.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-20 07:31am

What Rangers? The yankee special forces kind, B5 Mimbari pricks with them sticks, Dunadan from Middle-Earth or what, there are numerous different types of rangers?

United States Ranger Squad, The Elite of the Elite, Better than any other branch of service's Special Action units,

And ps, Foot-prints only matter if your following somone not if your trying to sneak up on somone(Which Rangers are well equiped and trained to do)

Sir Sirius · Post by **Sir Sirius** » 2003-01-20 07:42am

Mr Bean wrote:United States Ranger Squad, The Elite of the Elite, Better than any other branch of service's Special Action units,

Delta Force, SAS, SEALs?

And ps, Foot-prints only matter if your following somone not if your trying to sneak up on somone(Which Rangers are well equiped and trained to do)

Actualy footprints might reveal your location even then. Footprints can be seen quite a distance away in snow, particulary if it's deep.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-20 07:46am

Delta Force, SAS, SEALs?

Sorry US Armed Forces Arrogence in there but yep

SEALs are good in thier invorment and SAS are nice in thiers(They are trained for Urban assults nowadays) But if you need somone in the woods/mountianlands you turn to the Rangers

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-01-20 07:56am

Mr Bean wrote:
What Rangers? The yankee special forces kind, B5 Mimbari pricks with them sticks, Dunadan from Middle-Earth or what, there are numerous different types of rangers?
United States Ranger Squad, The Elite of the Elite, Better than any other branch of service's Special Action units,

And ps, Foot-prints only matter if your following somone not if your trying to sneak up on somone(Which Rangers are well equiped and trained to do)

LMAO! Why is it that Every special forces unit that America has seems to be a knockoff of a certain unit the british have called the SBS...

Thunderfire · Post by **Thunderfire** » 2003-01-20 08:04am

Well elves have access to special abilities , spells and
magical equipment. Rangers and Mages with animal
companions / familiars or Druids with polymorph self
will be a big problem for mundane forces.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-20 08:04am

Give me a Canadian sniper and I'll give you a dead elf.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-20 08:22am

The SAS have four regiments used in varying terrains from the Boat troop, Mobility troop, Air troop and Mountain/CRW troop.

They are trained in every conceivable scenario from counter-terrorist in NI to fighting at the tops of mountains in Afghanistan. They use the Royal Marine commando winter training programme too which is the longest physical training course in the world and involves that nice little exercise of being thrown into an iced over lake in full combat overalls and assessing your ability to get out. It is not uncommon for on average several people a year to die from the selected troops to join the SAS regiments. This isn't even counting the SBS who, if you fail their entrance examinations, you can still get in the SAS

You don't fuck with the Special Services.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-01-20 08:45am

Thunderfire wrote:Well elves have access to special abilities , spells and
magical equipment. Rangers and Mages with animal
companions / familiars or Druids with polymorph self
will be a big problem for mundane forces.

And gets picked off at 1-1.5km away by a good sniper.

Also rushing someone who has an automatic weapon(and willing to kill) is called suicide unless you have lot and lots of people.

Xon · Post by **Xon** » 2003-01-20 08:50am

ggs wrote:... an automatic weapon...

That should actually be "any type of firearm with 1/2 way descent magazine/clip size"

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-01-20 08:58am

ggs wrote:
ggs wrote:... an automatic weapon...
That should actually be "any type of firearm with 1/2 way descent magazine/clip size"

Or any type of firearm with more than two clips...

Thunderfire · Post by **Thunderfire** » 2003-01-20 09:02am

ggs wrote:
Thunderfire wrote: And gets picked off at 1-1.5km away by a good sniper.

Also rushing someone who has an automatic weapon(and willing to kill) is called suicide unless you have lot and lots of people.

Well the sniper needs to see the target to shoot it. The line of sight
will be heavily impaired in a forest environment. Elves don't rush
their enemies. They prefer to stalk and ambush their opponents.
Also don't expect to see the elf if he doesn't wants to be seen.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-20 09:03am

LMAO! Why is it that Every special forces unit that America has seems to be a knockoff of a certain unit the british have called the SBS...

And when was it established?

Rangers have Roots that go back to the Civilar War, I know the Brits has the Marines(Ship to ship Assult) but I can't remeber a Dedicated Forest/Jungle Warfare troop that far back

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-01-20 09:05am

As i'm led to believe...Special forces as they are today didn't really come into their own until ww2..other than that, I'm not sure, I'll look it up

*rushes off to google*

paladin · Post by **paladin** » 2003-01-20 09:33am

Mr Bean wrote:
LMAO! Why is it that Every special forces unit that America has seems to be a knockoff of a certain unit the british have called the SBS...
And when was it established?

Rangers have Roots that go back to the Civilar War, I know the Brits has the Marines(Ship to ship Assult) but I can't remeber a Dedicated Forest/Jungle Warfare troop that far back

Actually, Rangers like to trace their roots to the French and Indian War.

Coaan · Post by **Coaan** » 2003-01-20 09:40am

Eh...never mind me...I seem to be talking out my arse.

The rangers have perhaps been around longer but I think it woulod be a tough contest to decide who would best who

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