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PBS TV Stations to Air Three-Part Documentary on Atheism
By Randy Hall
CNSNews.com Staff Writer/Editor
April 30, 2007

(CNSNews.com) - Conservative Christians are criticizing a plan by Public Broadcasting Service stations to begin showing later this week a three-part television documentary series on atheism, calling it "demagogic and propagandistic."

"This series is about the disappearance of something: religious faith," British producer and narrator Jonathan Miller says at the start of "A Brief History of Disbelief," which was originally shown by the BBC in 2005. "It's the story of what is often referred to as atheism, the history of the growing conviction that God doesn't exist."

During the first hour-long episode, Miller visits the site in New York City where the Twin Towers stood before terrorists destroyed them on 9/11.

"The spectacle of September 11 is a forceful reminder of the potentially destructive power of the three great monotheistic religions [Christianity, Judaism and Islam] that have dominated the world one way or another for nearly 2,000 years," the author asserts.

"You only have to travel a few miles from New York City to find yourself in the middle of a country which is - far from being the secular world which was deplored and attacked by the Islamic fundamentalists - is in fact intensely Christian and therefore in its own way, of course, is just as religious as the Muslim world that attacked it," he adds.

Miller interviews several leading atheists and examines "theories regarding the psychology of religious belief," according to a description of the episode provided by the American Humanist Association (AHA).

In the second episode, Miller discusses the "re-emergence of disbelief in the 15th and 16th centuries and the perils of challenging religious faith."

The third segment, according to the AHA, "illuminates the theories and philosophies of influential thinkers like Thomas Paine, Charles Darwin and Sigmund Freud, as well as their impact on the way we see religion today."

Along with a brief promotional video on the YouTube website, the documentary's U.S. debut will be marked by an appearance by Miller on "Bill Moyers' Journal" at 9 p.m. Eastern Time on May 4.

The documentary will premier on public TV stations in some markets that day and in others over the following weeks.

"This compelling documentary series fills an important void in the public's understanding of the long and complex history of nontheism," Roy Speckhardt, executive director of the AHA, said in a news release.

The documentary reflects "an important change in attitude about nontheism," said Fred Edwords, AHA director of communications. "People are starting to realize that lack of a god belief does not mean the lack of morality. As a result of this, nontheism is beginning to gain acceptance in the public square.

"One needs only look at the warm reception of Rep. Pete Stark's announcement that he is a nontheist" or the fact that recent books on atheism "have made it to best-seller status," Edwords added.

'An evangelistic piece for atheism'

Janice Crouse, director of the Beverly LaHaye Institute for the conservative group Concerned Women for America, told Cybercast News Service that "airing the program gives credibility and cohesiveness to individuals who seek to undermine the beliefs and values on which democracy and the American dream are founded."

"One has to wonder why it is so important to them for everyone to understand their 'disbelief,'" she said. "The program is not a dispassionate, positive voice - as they claim. Instead, it is clearly demagogic and propagandistic."

Peter Sprigg, vice president for policy at the conservative Family Research Council, said that blaming the horrors of 9/11 on "faith in God in general is absurd. They have to be attributed to the particular ideology that drove the terrorists, which is a radical form of Islam."

Sprigg also found it "interesting" that Miller "implied Islam attacked and hates America for being too secular. Actually, I think they hate us for being too Christian."

After all, he pointed out, "they don't refer to us as 'secularists' but as 'crusaders.'"

"When people look at the role of religion in history, certainly they can find examples of atrocities that have been done in the name of religion, in the name of God and even in the name of Christianity," Sprigg conceded.

"But we have to remember that the two most horrific regimes of the 20th century, which probably killed more people than any other dictatorships in history, were the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, both atheistic regimes," he said.

By airing "Disbelief," Sprigg added, PBS is "revealing their bias against Christianity, against traditional faith."

"When I first read about this, I thought, 'Oh, they're attempting some sort of objective history of atheism. That might be interesting.' But when I actually watched it, I realized that it's really an evangelistic piece for atheism," he stated.

Noting that PBS recently refused to air a documentary on moderate Muslims under fire from radicals of their own faith, Sprigg said the public broadcaster "really seems to be taking sides these days - as long as it's opposed to Christianity and doesn't offend non-Christians."

"If they really want to be objective, they need to have a three-part series documenting the evidence in favor of Christianity," he added. "If they present propaganda for Islam, if they present propaganda for atheism, I think it's only fair they present propaganda for Christianity, too."
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Actually- the whole documentary, A Brieff History of Disbelief, seems to be out on Youtube.
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"But we have to remember that the two most horrific regimes of the 20th century, which probably killed more people than any other dictatorships in history, were the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, both atheistic regimes," he said.
Nazi Germany was atheist? :lol:

I love traditional Christian apologetics.
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General Zod wrote:
"But we have to remember that the two most horrific regimes of the 20th century, which probably killed more people than any other dictatorships in history, were the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, both atheistic regimes," he said.
Nazi Germany was atheist? :lol:

I love traditional Christian apologetics.

It would be nice if people would actually do some research and realize that Hitler was a Christian, wouldn't it? Anyway, I would hope that this documentary will change peoples attitudes towards us atheists, but I doubt it will.
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General Zod wrote:
"But we have to remember that the two most horrific regimes of the 20th century, which probably killed more people than any other dictatorships in history, were the Soviet Union and Nazi Germany, both atheistic regimes," he said.
Nazi Germany was atheist? :lol:

I love traditional Christian apologetics.
Absolutely.

What I love almost as much, is how liberally the Nazis borrowed from the Norse Pantheon. Ignore fact that SS men were burried under headstones marked with the Yrggradsil Rune, for the Tree of Life that bore all creation. This is of course because Norse "Mythology" is simply occultism and occultism =/= religious belief.

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It appears to be labled on youtube as A Rough History of Disbelief.
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In case it isn't on YouTube. Warning though, those are all a proper one hour, not 45 minutes & commercials.

Fuck this Sprigg's character though. What's his idea of a "objective history of atheism?" The repetitive promulgation of the same myths he's quoted often in that OP? A 3 hour version of Bill O'Reilly's interview with Richard Dawkins? God forbid a history on atheism be done by an atheist! With commentary that betrays his irreligious, faithless convictions. :roll:
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Ye Gods. Why can't people set these thins to Mozart, or Chopin, or Hendrix, or Joplin, or something intersting? I'm motherfuckin' tired of this motherfuckin' trance music in these motherfuckin' documentaries.
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A 3 hour version of Bill O'Reilly's interview with Richard Dawkins? God forbid a history on atheism be done by an atheist! With commentary that betrays his irreligious, faithless convictions.
I missed that, is it on youtube or something?
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They call the Soviet Union atheist even though there was a great amount of religion still present. :roll:
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SPC Brungardt wrote:In case it isn't on YouTube. Warning though, those are all a proper one hour, not 45 minutes & commercials.
I managed to get through about two thirds before the site crapped out on me.

I fucking hate sites where it only downloads so much of any given video and then decides to stop for no fucking good reason. :evil:
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I've seen the first episode and I'm quite pleased with it.
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I love the way they think it's "propagandist" for atheists to try and defend themselves from the constant attacks of Christian supremacists. Of course, these are the same people who think it's "propaganda" for gays to try and defend themselves against accusations of collectively being pedophiles. In the 1930s they would no doubt have said it was "propaganda" for the Jews to deny that they are subhuman.
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That tool, Sprigg wrote:"If they really want to be objective, they need to have a three-part series documenting the evidence in favor of Christianity," he added. "If they present propaganda for Islam, if they present propaganda for atheism, I think it's only fair they present propaganda for Christianity, too."
Right. That's what the Christian establishment needs, equal time. Because three hours of documentary on public television carries so much influence that it could shatter the delicate balance that's keeping Christianity from disappearing in America.

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I love the way he assumes that there must actually be scientific evidence for Christianity. A documentary detailing the scientific evidence and logical reasoning for Christianity would be very short indeed, unless it veers into fraud. "Evidence" and "Faith" are two different words, with completely different meanings. Christians would do well to remember that.
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Wait, so when does this actually start airing?
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General Zod wrote:Nazi Germany was atheist? :lol:

I love traditional Christian apologetics.
I love how repeating blatant untruths endlessly can get the public to accept them. Hitler was a devout Catholic, and incorporating all sorts of weird Norse beliefs into his Catholicism does not, surprisingly, make him any less of a Christian. When faced with the evidence, most (Protestant) Christians will resort to the No True Scottsman Falacy. Either because he had "pagan" leanings or because Catholicism isn't really Christianity.

Stalin's alleged atheism is even more readily swallowed whole. Most atheists won't even dispute the claim that Stalin was an atheist because they don't know any better. On the surface it appears plausible because communism is an officially atheistic economic and political philosophy. But Stalin himself was an Orthodox Christian- at least early on. So strong was his belief that he originally planned to become a priest. Whether he personally believed during his dictatorship is unknown, but irrelevant. Actions speak louder than words and Stalin actually rallied the support of the Orthodox church. Even after Stalin, Christianity's ages of influence on Russia were only partially mitigated by more secular leaders. Homosexuality, for example, was only decriminalized recently, despite early revolutionaries like Lenin aiming to liberate homosexuals.
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DPDarkPrimus wrote:Wait, so when does this actually start airing?
Through this page there's a PDF of the schedule and it's mighty limited.

New York is not even presented.
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Where did Hitler incorporate Norse beliefs into his? It's arguable that he might've done when he was in the Thule society, but there's no reason to think he thought they were anything more than a bunch of guys playing mystic by the time he rose to power (and later oppressed them). At any rate, it's easy to read Hitler's writings or purported sayings as highly metaphorical with his aim being Earthly immortality through action, heroism, leadership and monument, though obviously, christianity was an important part in playing public opinion and allowing gigantic evil to be perpetrated, as it always has been. Nobody in their right mind would say Germany was not a highly christian country at the time that approved of the reich that had taken over it.
Darth Raptor wrote:Stalin's alleged atheism is even more readily swallowed whole. Most atheists won't even dispute the claim that Stalin was an atheist because they don't know any better. On the surface it appears plausible because communism is an officially atheistic economic and political philosophy. But Stalin himself was an Orthodox Christian- at least early on. So strong was his belief that he originally planned to become a priest.
Dude, I used to be a christian, so was Dawkins, and you, IIRC. I don't think you can use that as good evidence for his later views. Stalin, IIRC, wrote a paper on dialectic materialism, and while it wouldn't be impossible for a christian to do so, I don't see any reason for Stalin to have done what he did out of any sort of religious influence. It was all pretty straightforward tyranny and it's not like atheism carries any specific morals with it, it's just an absence of belief. If I were a tyrant, I'd rally churches behind me too, because they propagate a sheepish mindset. Indeed, christians are often referred to even biblically as lambs and sheep, with God as the shepherd.
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Rye wrote:Where did Hitler incorporate Norse beliefs into his?
Nowhere. There was a guy named Rosenberg who tried to promote some kind of new age Norse revivalism in Germany, but it's truly a symptom of the derangement of the right-wing and Christian apologism in general that they pretend a guy named "Rosenberg" was the true seat of power in the Nazi party.
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I thought so, I'm pretty sure Hitler said somewhere (maybe in the infamous table talk) that Norse revivalists were essentially worskshy stinky hippies that were afraid of actual war.
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Soontir C'boath wrote:
DPDarkPrimus wrote:Wait, so when does this actually start airing?
Through this page there's a PDF of the schedule and it's mighty limited.

New York is not even presented.
My station is not airing it.
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Well it's not playing here in WV, so I feel no moral problem with watching it on Youtube, it's rather good.

So far my favorite part has been his speaking of America, starting off on how religion seems to be a part of patriotism, then with the Bush Sr. quote, moving on to Washington after being told that leaving sooner than the rest of the congregation was a bad example never returning to church, John Adams saying that religion is an impediment to liberal science and philosophy, then to Thomas Jefferson telling how the clergy thought he was going to impede them and saying that they were right, then to James Buchanon talking about bias towards religion in politics, finally to Lincoln speaking of how his disbelief became stronger as time went on.
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Janice Crouse, director of the Beverly LaHaye Institute for the conservative group Concerned Women for America, told Cybercast News Service that "airing the program gives credibility and cohesiveness to individuals who seek to undermine the beliefs and values on which democracy and the American dream are founded."
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"One has to wonder why it is so important to them for everyone to understand their 'disbelief,'" she said. "The program is not a dispassionate, positive voice - as they claim. Instead, it is clearly demagogic and propagandistic."
Translation: "How dare anybody say anything about atheism other than TEH EEVILZ!!!."
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Atheist Nazi Germany - a dominantly Christian country with a Christian leader? Atheist Stalin who re-drafted the Soviet constitution to include blatantly religious morals (like the aforementioned re-criminalization of homosexuality, et cetera), not to mention his attempts to levitate himself to the status of a cultic figure. Their arguments against atheism never get old, do they now? :lol:
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Patrick that pic fits the dialogue perfectly, it even looks like he's about to punch someone...
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