RIAA wins again

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-21 07:48pm

Sorry going to violate my silence in off topic related to copyright:
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/01/21/20 ... ml?tid=158

Basically the RIAA can look into your ISPs records.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-21 07:52pm

And WHERE is the crazy gun-nut when you need him?

Tosho · Post by **Tosho** » 2003-01-21 07:55pm

Mr Bean wrote:And WHERE is the crazy gun-nut when you need him?

I'm wondering where Shep is too.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-21 08:02pm

No no, Shep is simply is already know, We need an UNKNOW Gun-nut prefably with his own Self built Helicopter and high velocity chain-gun....

Prehaps a Deranged National Guardsmen who steals a Tank?(Loaded of Course)

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-21 08:07pm

When a government upholds the good of corporations over the good of the people, this is what you get.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-01-21 08:36pm

Pu-239 wrote:Sorry going to violate my silence in off topic related to copyright:
http://yro.slashdot.org/yro/03/01/21/20 ... ml?tid=158

Basically the RIAA can look into your ISPs records.

Looks like Verizon Offline lost the suit. And after reading further down the RIAA may have had a case against the guy they were looking for. 600 tunes a day?!

No wonder...

Arthur_Tuxedo · Post by **Arthur_Tuxedo** » 2003-01-21 08:54pm

The RIAA are so goddamned stupid. If they had simply offered a subscriber service to compete with free peer2peer, but with a gurantee of high quality and good selection, things wouldn't have come to this. Believe me, I really and honestly would pay a subscription fee to be able to know that what I'm getting is not live or recorded off the radio, and to be able to find good but unpopular songs, and I think most people would too.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-21 09:15pm

They came in too late.

Besides there is something called marketing. How else does Red Hat, Evian, et al make money? They "sell" free stuff. The RIAA can(could have) too. Oh well too late for those suckers. People are already accustomed to getting stuff for free. Besides their system is poorly made and expensive per file.

Anyways they are not going to sue every user, a few will suffice to scare people off P2P. Besides once they start doing that we'll just encrypt our files, mix them in with random noise.

Besides thats why I'm setting up loop-AES encryption for linux on my hard drive. When the RIAA breaks in burn the floppy with the keyfile

. Better yet put the keyfile on a CD and microwave it when you want to nuke the data. Or you can always put thermite on your hard disk and nuke it. No evidence. :p

For me though it's a nonissue since I have only downloaded in total less than 30 MP3s, so basically I'm wasting time on encryption.

EDIT:
You can find loop-AES here:
http://loop-aes.sf.net

Wonder how long it will take them to decrypt. I'll have to use a short key though if I decide to use it (fucks up some kernel patches), since my computer is slow.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-21 09:17pm

I liked Audiogalaxy because I could get really obscure sounds, like the soundtrack of Captain Future or my country's music from beginnings of the century (yes, they were actually cleaned and sold in CDs). Now all I can get is stupid Britney Spears or buy the most recent lame MTV idiots like Eminem or Limp Biscuit.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-21 09:18pm

Pu-239 wrote:Anyways they are not going to sue every user, a few will suffice to scare people off P2P. Besides once they start doing that we'll just encrypt our files, mix them in with random noise.

Then we can call the FBI on them for breaking the Millenium Act law while trying to crack it

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-21 09:18pm

Besides thats why I'm setting up loop-AES encryption for linux on my hard drive. When the RIAA breaks in burn the floppy with the keyfile . Or you can always put thermite on your hard disk and nuke it. No evidence. :p

Most Western Digital Drives come with a full-proof deletion method

Completely writes Zero's to Hard Drive
Number of Times?
1? 2? 3? 4?
4
Begining writing....

I love Zero-writer

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-21 09:20pm

I thought AG went to shit recently and didn't allow downloads anymore.

Slartibartfast · Post by **Slartibartfast** » 2003-01-21 09:27pm

Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I thought AG went to shit recently and didn't allow downloads anymore.

Yes. It was like 1000 times better than Napster too.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-21 09:53pm

Mr Bean wrote:
Besides thats why I'm setting up loop-AES encryption for linux on my hard drive. When the RIAA breaks in burn the floppy with the keyfile . Or you can always put thermite on your hard disk and nuke it. No evidence. :p
Most Western Digital Drives come with a full-proof deletion method

Completely writes Zero's to Hard Drive
Number of Times?
1? 2? 3? 4?
4
Begining writing....

I love Zero-writer

Nope, sorry, doesn't work. They can scan the hard drive with an electron microscope. Besides random data is better,since you can amplify the residual signals from the HD. Of course all this costs tens to hundreds of thousands of dollars. Besides you don't have time to do this if they break into your house. Oh and instead of only nuking the HDD, nuke the entire computer for extra protection. I think AES encryption with large keys is secure enough though.

Read here-

http://www.cs.auckland.ac.nz/~pgut001/p ... e_del.html

EDIT: And here:
http://wipe.sourceforge.net/ (Linux/Unix only)

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-21 09:55pm

Slartibartfast wrote:
Spanky The Dolphin wrote:I thought AG went to shit recently and didn't allow downloads anymore.
Yes. It was like 1000 times better than Napster too.

It was a good thing too. Spyware infested shit...

Is it true BTW that morpheus leaches off Gnutella without sharing files back to Gnutella?

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-21 09:56pm

All I know is that Morpheus was a pain to use. I hated it.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-21 10:39pm

Mr Bean wrote:
Besides thats why I'm setting up loop-AES encryption for linux on my hard drive. When the RIAA breaks in burn the floppy with the keyfile . Or you can always put thermite on your hard disk and nuke it. No evidence. :p
Most Western Digital Drives come with a full-proof deletion method

Completely writes Zero's to Hard Drive
Number of Times?
1? 2? 3? 4?
4
Begining writing....

I love Zero-writer

That's not exactly a hardware-specific feature. Hell, the Disk Utility that's shipped with Macs for the past 5 or so years has always had a zero-write option when deleting files. I'm also fairly certain that the Windows XP setup utility allows you to do so, as well.

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-01-21 10:56pm

Ah, so they release the records of one customer? Like that'll deter any of us p2pers.

The Dark · Post by **The Dark** » 2003-01-21 11:01pm

I liked SongSpy. Fairly good, worked behind any firewall. Too bad it went out of business

. That's how I got my copy of The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-22 07:04am

That's not exactly a hardware-specific feature. Hell, the Disk Utility that's shipped with Macs for the past 5 or so years has always had a zero-write option when deleting files. I'm also fairly certain that the Windows XP setup utility allows you to do so, as well.

Western Digtials however ships on a simple flopy so EVERYTHING can acutal be deleted, Most methods of Zero-Writing don't anything with a meg or two of the program itself which is a problem(Norton's is escilly bad when it was released had about 10 Megs surronding the program thats not deleted... New one is only 200kb but still)

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-22 07:07am

Actually, here is where viruses can come in handy....there are one or two that I recall that can quickly write random junk across the entire hard drive.....that'd atleast slow down any attempts at examining the contnent of the HDD.

Admiral Valdemar · Post by **Admiral Valdemar** » 2003-01-22 07:12am

I hope this is only in America; "The Land of the Free."

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-22 07:15am

Admiral Valdemar wrote:I hope this is only in America; "The Land of the Free."

The funny place that acts like it owns everything on the net?

HemlockGrey · Post by **HemlockGrey** » 2003-01-22 07:20am

Why do I feel like I'm about to be living in the movie 'Rollerball'?

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-22 07:27am

Mr Bean wrote:
That's not exactly a hardware-specific feature. Hell, the Disk Utility that's shipped with Macs for the past 5 or so years has always had a zero-write option when deleting files. I'm also fairly certain that the Windows XP setup utility allows you to do so, as well.
Western Digtials however ships on a simple flopy so EVERYTHING can acutal be deleted, Most methods of Zero-Writing don't anything with a meg or two of the program itself which is a problem(Norton's is escilly bad when it was released had about 10 Megs surronding the program thats not deleted... New one is only 200kb but still)

Nah that still is ineffective. The best software based solution for windows is writing gutmann patterns all over the HDD with a linux/BSD/whatever boot floppy with wipe (is there a DOS program which does this). Of course this is still ineffective since the HDD can be analyzed with a microscope, since the patterns still reside outside the tracks. Slagging the HDD with thermite is the most effective way, but expensive. For windows downloading directly to removable media without caching is better. Oh and disable swap space.
Encryption is nice though, since you can destroy the key at the last minute.

Ah, so they release the records of one customer? Like that'll deter any of us p2pers

The point is that it sets a bad precedent and also helps the Ass. of America on their FUD campaign.

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