Stormies are NOT clones!

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-28 08:35pm

Unless GL decides to vandalize this scene, they are not all identical clones.

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-28 08:40pm

Give him time....*sigh*

Much like Greedo shooting first.

But yeah I think most people here agree Stormies are not clones...or at least a mixture.

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi · Post by **Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi** » 2003-01-28 08:53pm

I also noticed when Obi-Wan was disabling the tractor beam, the two Stormtroopers on guard had about a one-foot height difference.

I also believe that the Stormtrooper ranks were a mixture of clones and recruits.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-28 09:38pm

He has the power. He can make it kiddier, stupider, lamer than it was before.

And his name is George Lucas.

Exonerate · Post by **Exonerate** » 2003-01-28 11:00pm

Asst. Asst. Lt. Cmdr. Smi wrote:I also noticed when Obi-Wan was disabling the tractor beam, the two Stormtroopers on guard had about a one-foot height difference.

I also believe that the Stormtrooper ranks were a mixture of clones and recruits.

Word.

I recall a novel mentioning a Stormtrooper training facility. In fact, wasn't Kyp Durron's brother a stormtrooper?

Post by **Ghost Rider** » 2003-01-28 11:02pm

Yeah...heck in TIE Fighter the novelette, they mention one of Stele's friends becoming a ST.

Most have always though Stormies are just elite crack troopers, and even with AoTC they believe that Stormies are at best a combo.

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2003-01-28 11:11pm

Lucas will probably digitally paint out all the live action stormtroopers and replace them with digital "improved" ones voiced by Temuera Morrison

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-01-28 11:37pm

Clone Sergeant wrote:Lucas will probably digitally paint out all the live action stormtroopers and replace them with digital "improved" ones voiced by Temuera Morrison

Do not speak of such horrors aloud, Sergeant!

Post by **Gandalf** » 2003-01-28 11:45pm

If he "corrects" the OT Stormies would you think the Emperor will be re shot with Ian McDiarmid?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-01-29 12:22am

Gandalf wrote:If he "corrects" the OT Stormies would you think the Emperor will be re shot with Ian McDiarmid?

Uh, Ian McDiarmid played the Emperor in the OT.

Darth Garden Gnome · Post by **Darth Garden Gnome** » 2003-01-29 12:24am

neoolong wrote:Uh, Ian McDiarmid played the Emperor in the OT.

Not in TESB, during the hologram sequence. Come to think of it, I don't remember who he is. I'm sure somebody'll figure it out soon though.

Cal Wright · Post by **Cal Wright** » 2003-01-29 12:48am

Guys name is Clive something. Hopefully if he does any touching, it will be with that.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2003-01-29 12:51am

Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
neoolong wrote:Uh, Ian McDiarmid played the Emperor in the OT.
Not in TESB, during the hologram sequence. Come to think of it, I don't remember who he is. I'm sure somebody'll figure it out soon though.

That was British actor Clive Revill who was the Emperor in TESB. You don't really see his face and the voices are similar enough to where the effort of matting in Ian McDiarmud wouldn't be worth the expense.

Clone Sergeant · Post by **Clone Sergeant** » 2003-01-29 12:57am

I fear the DVD Editions greatly, because Lucas has been quoted that he has "special" plans for the films. He may butcher the originals even further.
I mean the man can't help himself, in the time it took for AOTC to go from theaters to DVD he just had to make changes. Adding spark effects to Jango's backpack? Any idiot can figure out that a huge beast trampling you isn't good for you or whatever you might have attached to your body.

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-01-29 01:31am

I wonder how tall some of those guys are compared to Luke

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-01-29 01:58am

Though I prefer recruited troopers, it is possible that the clones aren't all from the same source.

Unless GL specifically says that every single stormtrooper ever is a clone, I'm going to maintain that some are recruits, some are clones, and that not all the clones are of the same guy.

Peregrin Toker · Post by **Peregrin Toker** » 2003-01-29 03:18am

Actually, the difference in height do not mean they can't be clones. They can just be clones from different templates.

However, cloning an entire army is still much more impractical than recruiting. So it's most reasonable to assume that most Stormtroopers are recruits, but that the Empire purchases some cloned Stormtroopers just to keep Kamino's planetary economy running. (after all, the Clone Wars resulted in the banning of cloning in the Empire, and that must have pissed off the Kaminoans)

Pcm979 · Post by **Pcm979** » 2003-01-29 03:43am

Patrick Degan wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
neoolong wrote:Uh, Ian McDiarmid played the Emperor in the OT.
Not in TESB, during the hologram sequence. Come to think of it, I don't remember who he is. I'm sure somebody'll figure it out soon though.
That was British actor Clive Revill who was the Emperor in TESB. You don't really see his face and the voices are similar enough to where the effort of matting in Ian McDiarmud wouldn't be worth the expense.

It doesn't say that here.

Spanky The Dolphin · Post by **Spanky The Dolphin** » 2003-01-29 03:51am

Clive Revill's voice was dubbed over an old woman wearing (green? yellow?) makeup, with the eyes of a chimpanzee imposed over hers.

I think it's a great effect, adding further mystery to Palpatine, so hope they don't change it.

I do hope that they FINALLY fix some of the flipped shot errors in ROTJ, though. They always bugged the hell out of me, even as a kid.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2003-01-29 04:16am

One would think that the dreadful scene in which an obvious black smudge has been added to the Emperor's face to conceal an opening in his cowl would have been corrected in the Special Editions.

Post by **Vympel** » 2003-01-29 05:50am

Actually replacing the anomlaous ESB Emperor is precisely what I want. It fucks with continuity and it doesn't look anything like Ian McDiarmid.

And you know- I wouldn't mind if every Stormtrooper got digitally altered to be the same height.

One of the advantages of AOTC was that none of their Clones were holding their guns crooked on parade.

Ro Jo-Mu · Post by **Ro Jo-Mu** » 2003-01-29 11:17am

Darth Wong wrote:

Unless GL decides to vandalize this scene, they are not all identical clones.

Heh, aren't you a little short for a storm trooper?

neoolong · Post by **neoolong** » 2003-01-29 01:13pm

Patrick Degan wrote:
Darth Garden Gnome wrote:
neoolong wrote:Uh, Ian McDiarmid played the Emperor in the OT.
Not in TESB, during the hologram sequence. Come to think of it, I don't remember who he is. I'm sure somebody'll figure it out soon though.
That was British actor Clive Revill who was the Emperor in TESB. You don't really see his face and the voices are similar enough to where the effort of matting in Ian McDiarmud wouldn't be worth the expense.

It was Ian when it mattered in ROTJ.

Jim Raynor · Post by **Jim Raynor** » 2003-01-29 01:25pm

Even if they were cloned from seperate sources, it still wouldn't make sense to have clones with such significant height differences of several inches to a foot. Stormtrooper armor is supposed to be built to fit the Stormtrooper perfectly, right? Then wouldn't it make sense to have all clones be the same height, in order to standardize equipment?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-29 04:08pm

Darth Wong wrote: Unless GL decides to vandalize this scene, they are not all identical clones.

LOL. Lord Wong supports me. But *shrug* who knows anymore.

The "they could be from different templates" is a REALLY bad argument. They have the ability to genetically custom their clones to the point of 2 x accelerated life cycle without debilitating side-affects, but they wouldn't safe their logistics A BIG FUCKING HEADACHE by simply editing ALL of their templates to have the same size?!

Also, please, SOMEONE PLEASE POST THE REDO OT QUOTE FROM GL BEFORE ANYONE MENTIONS IT AGAIN.

Everybody claims they've heard of it. No one, NO ONE, backs that up w/ evidence.

Anyway.

One can basically assume some are clones, and I believe when the original stormtrooper corps were formed, their backbone/officers were Clone Wars veterans.

Possibility 1: They're mostly recruits, some clones. Certain assignments would neccessitate clones. Thrawn's black campiagn in the UR, the Death Star construction projects (nixing the extra troops Palpy brought in for the Endor trap), Maw Installation, possibly the Red Guard, assignments at Palpatine's fortresses in the Deep Core, extremely good Spec Ops groups, etc. This would allow the run-of-the-mill stormie to be a recruit. I always prefered the idea of the Empire being able to take away someone's individuality that much.

Possibility 2: A lot of them are clones, but garrisons and low-priority stormtroopers are likely recruits.

Possibility 3: They're all clones.

Possibility 4: They're all clones of Jango. (really fucking stupid idea)

Exonerate wrote:I recall a novel mentioning a Stormtrooper training facility. In fact, wasn't Kyp Durron's brother a stormtrooper?

The probability they're mostly CONSCRIPTS taken from political enemies' families is abysmally low. In fact, Trooper Durron never achieved posting outside of Carida itself. They're likely a tiny minority just forced in their as a sadistic way of punishing them or their families.

If a lot of them are not clones, they're almost certainly politically pro-Empire fanatical volunteers belonging to a certain range of high standards for optimal troops.

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