Phasers vs Lightsabers

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-01-29 12:13am

Now, it's pretty likely that a lightsaber can reflect a phaser beam...but since phasers are capable of a continuous beam, could you simply "sweep" the phaser beam clear of the blade and hit the Jedi?

This of course assumes that the Jedi doesn't simply deflect the phaser beam right back at the person shooting at him, and that the ST character is smart enough to think of sweeping the beam instead of just posing in the open in that godawful uncomfortable-looking stance pointing the phaser and staring in shock as the Jedi deflects the beam.

Durandal · Post by **Durandal** » 2003-01-29 12:26am

A) As smart as sweeping the phaser beam around would be, Feddies have rarely, if ever, done it. Perhaps there's only a certain amount of time that the phaser can be fired at once.

B) Feddies seem to be phasing out beam weapons in favor of pulse weapons anyway.

C) Jedi can absorb a good amount of energy. See Vader in TESB and Luke in RotJ.

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-01-29 12:32am

Some Jedi can absorb energy, some can't. Vader had the ability, Luke evidently does, and Corran Horn is known to be exceptionally good at it (He once absorbed serial detonations from multiple laser flechette mines and chemical explosions). Of course, Corran has to then find a USE for the energy.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-29 12:37am

Also...what to stop the jedi sweeping his blade in the same motion as the beam....it only becomes a problem with many continious beams on them at once...

FettKyle · Post by **FettKyle** » 2003-01-29 12:37am

The Jedi simply moves with the Phaser beam.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-01-29 12:44am

Keevan_Colton wrote:Also...what to stop the jedi sweeping his blade in the same motion as the beam....it only becomes a problem with many continious beams on them at once...

I really ought to add more than two.....simple geometry there really.....

Connor MacLeod · Post by **Connor MacLeod** » 2003-01-29 01:34am

I'd be concerned about any recoil (if any) that a phaser beam might have.

SWPIGWANG · Post by **SWPIGWANG** » 2003-01-29 03:04am

WIDE BEAM

DocHorror · Post by **DocHorror** » 2003-01-29 07:17am

What did those aliens use in the Truce at Bakura? IIRC a lightsaber couldn't defect them very well...

Its been aaaggggeeesss since I read that books so don't go ape at me...

SirNitram · Post by **SirNitram** » 2003-01-29 11:27am

SWPIGWANG wrote:WIDE BEAM

Activate Jedi Power 'Resist Stun'. After all, all the times we've seen Wide Beam used, it's on various Stun settings.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-01-29 12:32pm

DocHorror wrote:What did those aliens use in the Truce at Bakura? IIRC a lightsaber couldn't defect them very well...

Its been aaaggggeeesss since I read that books so don't go ape at me...

that was because the magnetic field of the particles in that beam reacted with the field containing the lightsabre. Like pressing 2 North magnets together.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-29 01:00pm

And even then the Lightsaber did deflect the Paddel Beamer's beam just not straight back.

Marcus · Post by **Marcus** » 2003-01-29 02:36pm

One Phaser vs Jedi? Jedi reflects phaser, life goes on.

Now, multiple peoplle with continuous beam weapons would present a problem... probably resolved by the Jedi leaving the area at Jedi-Speed.

Wide-Angle Stun probably WOULDNT stun a typical Jedi, based on observed energy absorbtion-dispersal et. al. talents.

That said, I think Phasers would be a better weapon against Jedi due to the wide-angle and continous beam properties, and would become a problem for a Jedi more quickly than mutiple individuals with blaster-style weapons.

Hell, why not just use AK-47s?

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-01-29 03:59pm

DocHorror wrote:What did those aliens use in the Truce at Bakura? IIRC a lightsaber couldn't defect them very well...

Its been aaaggggeeesss since I read that books so don't go ape at me...

They were apparently exotic weapons relying on similar physics to the lightsabre that allowed them to bend around the blade and remain in the original linear path. Luke physically modified his lightsabre to prevent them from doing that, later.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-30 02:46am

Trekkies should worry first about taking down standard Stormtroopers before worrying about the most powerful fighters in SW. I'd love to see a bunch of pajama clad "Starfleet Marines" go up against a seriously pissed off Darth Maul. Phasers vs. Twin Bladed lightsaber, Maul would end the battle even more pissed because the Starfleet uniforms offered his blade no resistance as he carved them up.

Pu-239 · Post by **Pu-239** » 2003-01-30 05:49pm

Read the lasers vs Jedi thread.

http://bbs.stardestroyer.net/viewtopic.php?t=9147

The jedi could not possibly move fast enough to block a sweep, even if he/she could 'see' it. However if you go by Alyeska's autoaiming theory, I think that would not work with sweeping, unless you can disable it.

Robert Treder · Post by **Robert Treder** » 2003-01-31 02:57am

Kerneth wrote:Some Jedi can absorb energy, some can't. Vader had the ability, Luke evidently does, and Corran Horn is known to be exceptionally good at it (He once absorbed serial detonations from multiple laser flechette mines and chemical explosions). Of course, Corran has to then find a USE for the energy.

Ummm...you didn't give any examples of Jedi who couldn't absorb energy. And technically, they all have to find a use for the energy, unless we want to violate conservation of energy. Vader detonates the wall after absorbing it (see Poe's new page). Luke and Yoda must have done something with the energy, though we don't know what.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-01-31 06:00am

Illuminatus Primus wrote:
DocHorror wrote:What did those aliens use in the Truce at Bakura? IIRC a lightsaber couldn't defect them very well...

Its been aaaggggeeesss since I read that books so don't go ape at me...
They were apparently exotic weapons relying on similar physics to the lightsabre that allowed them to bend around the blade and remain in the original linear path. Luke physically modified his lightsabre to prevent them from doing that, later.

He did? I seem to remember that he stated it was possible, but did he ever do it?

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-01-31 12:12pm

Robert Treder wrote:
Kerneth wrote:Some Jedi can absorb energy, some can't. Vader had the ability, Luke evidently does, and Corran Horn is known to be exceptionally good at it (He once absorbed serial detonations from multiple laser flechette mines and chemical explosions). Of course, Corran has to then find a USE for the energy.
Ummm...you didn't give any examples of Jedi who couldn't absorb energy. And technically, they all have to find a use for the energy, unless we want to violate conservation of energy. Vader detonates the wall after absorbing it (see Poe's new page). Luke and Yoda must have done something with the energy, though we don't know what.

I believe Dorsk 82 (83?) demonstrated his inability to absorb energy when he was shot in the hand with a blaster and didn't even try to absorb it. Of course, he was in the middle of trying to use Alter Mind on a large group of armed men and it may be he just couldn't do both at once. But the fact that Luke considered Corran's ability to absorb energy worth remarking upon indicates it's not an ability ever Jedi has. Then again, maybe Corran's just a *lot better at it* than most Jedi and that's why Luke said something.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-01-31 12:15pm

Kerneth wrote:I believe Dorsk 82 (83?) demonstrated his inability to absorb energy when he was shot in the hand with a blaster and didn't even try to absorb it. Of course, he was in the middle of trying to use Alter Mind on a large group of armed men and it may be he just couldn't do both at once. But the fact that Luke considered Corran's ability to absorb energy worth remarking upon indicates it's not an ability ever Jedi has. Then again, maybe Corran's just a *lot better at it* than most Jedi and that's why Luke said something.

Or maybe... just possibly... Stackpole wanted (yet again) to underline why Corran is the greatest character that was, is, or will be, ever. Maybe. Or something.

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-01-31 03:04pm

Aye but you have to figure in Corran Horn can't do force jumps or can kinda Force Push/Pull.

Kerneth · Post by **Kerneth** » 2003-01-31 03:14pm

heh

I *like* the Corran Horn character, and I don't think he's made to look like the "greatest ever", he makes his fair share of mistakes, and there're a lot of Jedi that are more powerful than him, especially with his serious weaknesses in certain areas of the Force.

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-02-01 08:49am

Darth Pounder wrote:Aye but you have to figure in Corran Horn can't do force jumps or can kinda Force Push/Pull.

Yes he can...

Eleas · Post by **Eleas** » 2003-02-01 08:57am

Kerneth wrote:heh

I *like* the Corran Horn character, and I don't think he's made to look like the "greatest ever", he makes his fair share of mistakes,

He makes mistakes in the same way Janeway does. Everything he does wrong, he ends up atoning for in the most heavy-handed, contrieved, five cent psychoanalysing way possible. And his smugness. I swear, if I met the guy in RL I would shoot him dead. He's no hero. A hero has inner conflict, which Stackpole can't write properly, so we get all these lifeless cardboard cutouts.

and there're a lot of Jedi that are more powerful than him, especially with his serious weaknesses in certain areas of the Force.

Wrong. In the new SW d20 system (where, like it or not, they quantify the characters, and thus have to assess their strengths), guess who's the most powerful Jedi alive?

I'll give you a hint. It's Stackpoles little Mary Sue, who lacks telekinetic powers when he doesn't absorb energy (then he gets better at said powers than most Jedi), is already better at the other aspects of the Force than most Jedi, and a better swordsman than most Jedi. This is the guy who's more powerful than Luke, according to the balance fanatics of WOTC. They should know.

Post by **Dalton** » 2003-02-01 08:58am

Eleas wrote:
Darth Pounder wrote:Aye but you have to figure in Corran Horn can't do force jumps or can kinda Force Push/Pull.
Yes he can...

Actually no...as I recall Corran has no abilities in the telekinetic aspects of the Force.