Megatron and Company in a galaxy far far away

Zor · Post by **Zor** » 2007-10-26 08:36pm

It is the year 20BBY and things are going as they should have, but the FSM desides that it is time to mess everything up.

First of all, he drops an Imperial class Star Destroyer a few dozen LY from hoth and he drops the Movie Decepticons into it. As well, they receive something of true sugnifigance, the Allspark. To operate the ship is a staff of brainwashed imperial spacers that are totally loyal to their decepticon overlords. The ISD also has a full databank on worlds, systems, sapient species, politics, vehicles, spacecraft, technology and such.

What happens?

Zor

Starglider · Post by **Starglider** » 2007-10-26 08:42pm

Does the Allspark have any sort of mass/volume limits on what it can make transformers out of? If it was flown through the battle of Endor in a starfighter, could it start turning the capships into an army of super-powered transformers? Or is it limited to working on starfighters?

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2007-10-26 08:47pm

Starglider wrote:Does the Allspark have any sort of mass/volume limits on what it can make transformers out of? If it was flown through the battle of Endor in a starfighter, could it start turning the capships into an army of super-powered transformers? Or is it limited to working on starfighters?

Well, we could certainly see a Unicron type bugger taking over the Death Star, and seeing someone rip off the Falcon for a body would be pretty sexy as well. They might be confused about the AT-AT's though. A giant elephant robot that turns into... a person? That's almost too easy.

Sidewinder · Post by **Sidewinder** » 2007-10-26 09:59pm

Covenant wrote:... seeing someone rip off the Falcon for a body would be pretty sexy as well.

No, it won't. Believe me, I've seen the Millenium Falcon Transformer.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2007-10-27 12:11am

A question, do Transformers made from SW Ships and vehicals retain the Uber power and weopons? Im sure it goes without saying a smal lfrighter that has its own Hypermater reactor may easily be more powerful the Megatron or any current production Transformer.,

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2007-10-27 12:57am

Sidewinder wrote:
Covenant wrote:... seeing someone rip off the Falcon for a body would be pretty sexy as well.
No, it won't. Believe me, I've seen the Millenium Falcon Transformer.

I don't think that's all that bad. Some of the other ones were a whole lot worse, and we could certainly better design them than that. Just because someone utterly botched it doesn't mean that there isn't a great idea just waiting to come out!

I would think the Transformers retain the physical benefits of their vehicle forms. It's not like Optimus ran on diesal though, so it's completely possible that unless the shield or weapons retained linkages while in human form, that they'd stop function or operate at significantly different energy levels.

I'm no Transformers expert though.

Peptuck · Post by **Peptuck** » 2007-10-27 02:35am

If anything, the modified SW machines will probably sprout totally new weapons from nowhere. Nokiabot had a miniaturized machinegun and a missile launcher, and the vending machine robot had a machinegun as well, IIRC.

Crazedwraith · Post by **Crazedwraith** » 2007-10-27 09:02am

Peptuck wrote:If anything, the modified SW machines will probably sprout totally new weapons from nowhere. Nokiabot had a miniaturized machinegun and a missile launcher, and the vending machine robot had a machinegun as well, IIRC.

I thought the vending machine just fired cans at people. With some sort of compressed gas Gatling gun.

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2007-10-27 09:14am

Vehicles constructed with our level of technology (power plants, materials etc) turned into Allspark-level technology stuff, which was a significant upgrade.

However, who is to say that the Allspark-converted SW gear won't be brought down to Allspark-level?

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2007-10-27 09:50am

Actually, it seemed like AllSpark-manufactured creatures had roughly our level of weapons technology. Even more interestingly, when Transformers are in vehicle form, they seem to be limited to our technology of weapons. They seem to need to transform to robot mode to use their big guns.

The most impressive weapons had to be Blackout's pulse blast in the opening assault on the Qatar military base, and Megatron's arm-cannon that sent Optimus flying away like a toy. Both of them were deployed while in robot form.

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2007-10-27 10:14am

That does seem to be the case, although in the form of Earth vehicles they seem to have Allspark durability, do they not?
I've only seen the movie in the theatre once, so I can't confirm this or cite any observed events that may indicate this to be the case.

Nevertheless, with kiloton-range starfighter weapons and shielding, they might find that turning into robot form is actually a downgrade!

Cykeisme · Post by **Cykeisme** » 2007-10-27 10:15am

Ghetto edit: What are the current estimates of Optimus Prime's mass and Megatron's arm cannon blast yield?

Post by **Vympel** » 2007-10-27 12:09pm

The mass of the Transformers is pretty wonky actually - Megatron being dumped in the ocean at the end of the movie is carried by a pair of Seahawks. Their sling load capacity is not great.

Marko Dash · Post by **Marko Dash** » 2007-10-27 01:22pm

they can't be too heavy or prime and bonecrusher(?) would have crashed through when jumping to a lower level of the cloverleaf.

Anguirus · Post by **Anguirus** » 2007-10-27 06:29pm

That does seem to be the case, although in the form of Earth vehicles they seem to have Allspark durability, do they not?

Yes. Starscream is hit at point-blank range with a Sidewinder as an F-22 and not so much as scratched.

Ryan Thunder · Post by **Ryan Thunder** » 2007-10-27 11:57pm

Anguirus wrote:
That does seem to be the case, although in the form of Earth vehicles they seem to have Allspark durability, do they not?
Yes. Starscream is hit at point-blank range with a Sidewinder as an F-22 and not so much as scratched.

What? I thought he chickened out after that...

Of course, this would seem to imply that he has a resistance to missiles that magically does not extend to those funky little sabot rounds...

Or am I missing something?

Anguirus · Post by **Anguirus** » 2007-10-28 02:21am

He is hit, transforms back immediately and takes a swipe at an enemy plane, misses, and transforms yet again to F-22 mode. The other F-22s follow him out of shot ("Stay on him!"), and then it cuts to F-22s (same or different group?) pummeling Megatron.

We get a really good look at his plane form after he is hit, transforms, then transforms back, and there's not a scratch. It seems like the Transformers are only really vulnerable to high-heat, as Scorponok took about four Hellfires. Fragmentation weapons can hurt them but they seem like much less of a danger.

It's also possible that Starscream is just plain more durable than Blackout. The Transformers are theorized to have forcefields protecting them, so maybe Starscream's was sufficient to deflect one AAM.

Napoleon the Clown · Post by **Napoleon the Clown** » 2007-10-28 03:39am

As far as weights are concerned, Barricade weighs 2.2 tons according to the Transformers U.K. magazine. The vehicle he's based on (Saleen S281) weighs in at just shy of 3400 lbs. This would suggest that the TF are heavier than the vehicle they're based on, though that's not necessarily a universal thing. Be it the case or not, Megatron's cannon throwing Prime like it did is impressive as all hell.

Keep in mind, the movie wasn't massively true to physics as it could be and that Sam got slapped a good twenty feet by Barricade and was completely unharmed.

Post by **Vympel** » 2007-10-28 03:57am

Starscream getting hit by a Sidewinder (or even an AMRAAM) isn't a big deal - those missiles have tiny warheads anyway - great for taking out fragile aircraft, but hardly remotely in the same class as a Maverick.

(And Scorponok was hit by Mavericks, not Hellfires, which A-10s don't carry).

Incidentally, we can never really tell if Scorponok was actually hit by those missiles.

Crossroads Inc. · Post by **Crossroads Inc.** » 2007-10-28 07:24am

Does anyone else find it funny that viturally all of the various incarnation of Movies Transformers vs "Misc" turn into threads trying to qunatify the various aspects of Transfortmer physics and limits?

Anguirus · Post by **Anguirus** » 2007-10-28 11:00am

(And Scorponok was hit by Mavericks, not Hellfires, which A-10s don't carry).

D'oh! My mistake.