Vong vs. the Borg

[Kuja]

The Yuuzahn Vong invasion fleet arrives at the ST galaxy, and the first thing they see is the Borg. Assume that all other powers in the galaxy (feddies, klingons, roms, dominion, etc.) stay the hell away from the clash. What happens?

[Ghost Rider]

I say the Vong go into such a fury they destroy the Borg till the name in never uttered again.

The Vong while aren't all supreme do have tech on the level to compete and hurt the NR, thus they are capable of taking on SW tech with some difficulty and make up in sheer numbers(and suicide tactics).

Thus they are more then capable of taking on the Vong(anyone have any ideas how much their guns put out?)

The only real thing the Borg could do is try to assemble some sort of bioweapon(then again the same could've been said for 8472)

[Darth Garden Gnome]

The Vong would be all whipped up in a zealous frenzy to kill these guys. I mean, to the Vong, organics USING technology is bad enough. But organics being ONE with technology? BLASPHEMY!

And I'm sure having superior numbers, and firepower, and FTL would also have something to do with their downfall.

[Ender]

I question the Vong being assimilated, first because the armor might stop the tubuals, then because then are likely to hit an implant or modification if they do get throught the armor, not the vong, and finally because the vong cutoff/"purify" any body part that comes in comtact with technology.

On top of that, the Shapers are not on the front lines, so assimilating a Vong would not let them adapt to the tech.

The ships are rock (despite the claims, it is not limestone any more then the singularities are true black holes), not bioarmored so the S8472 assimilation trick with the bomb won't work.

The borg's singlemindedness means the are not likely to coem up with the ideas the Feds would so the tactics that have been theorized in thse threads aren't too much of an issue.

Frankly, I see the borg as an easier vicory then the AQ/BQ. Especially given their defense tactics. THey let shuttles fly in close ala BOBW... imagine what a ramming coralskipper could do since they won't have adjusted the inertial compensator fields to cancel out the singularities.

[Illuminatus Primus]

The ships due have exotic armor. They have withstood turbolaser blasts to the hull. Not as well as dura-armor by far, but they weren't reduced to a cloud.

[Ender]

The ships due have exotic armor. They have withstood turbolaser blasts to the hull. Not as well as dura-armor by far, but they weren't reduced to a cloud.

Yes, and on top of that a building made out of the stuff coupled with moderate shielding is said to be able to withstand a world blowing up in traitor, and could possibly do it without the shielding. (Note that this is partly due to the yorik coral strenght, but largely due to the engineering of the building)

Some of this stuff is so weird it makes no sense

[Illuminatus Primus]

Uh....what world blew up in Traitor?

[Ender]

Uh....what world blew up in Traitor?

They didn't blow it up, it's narration when they are describing the world brain building AKA the former senate hall.

[His Divine Shadow]

The ships due have exotic armor. They have withstood turbolaser blasts to the hull. Not as well as dura-armor by far, but they weren't reduced to a cloud.

Yes, and on top of that a building made out of the stuff coupled with moderate shielding is said to be able to withstand a world blowing up in traitor, and could possibly do it without the shielding. (Note that this is partly due to the yorik coral strenght, but largely due to the engineering of the building)

Some of this stuff is so weird it makes no sense

The building in question broke down dura-steel and armor and transparisteel and used it to construct itself, like one grows bones and such.

[TheDarkling]

The Borg are even more inept than the NR, they go down badly (although Vong having time to cut out assimilated material is far fetched as is the idea that the Vong have a numerical advantage.

I do have questions about Vong weapons strength though (it yoyos about to much for my liking).

Vong hulls aren't that strong though - even stutter fire has mangaed to go past it before and normal X wing fire often hulls them.

Proximity detonations of Proton torps have taken out Vong ships before (in one formation 6 dead,2 disabled and 2 damaged out of 10) of course that doesn't tell us a lot considering the variable yields that proton torps supposedly have (but from the ones used on the ground and the like they seem rather weak).

Old school Borg may have had a chance but the new borg are simply too dumb (how many times did Janeway beat them?), so the Vong win due to the Borg being far more inept in executing a war than even the NR.

[Ender]

The ships due have exotic armor. They have withstood turbolaser blasts to the hull. Not as well as dura-armor by far, but they weren't reduced to a cloud.

Yes, and on top of that a building made out of the stuff coupled with moderate shielding is said to be able to withstand a world blowing up in traitor, and could possibly do it without the shielding. (Note that this is partly due to the yorik coral strenght, but largely due to the engineering of the building)

Some of this stuff is so weird it makes no sense

The building in question broke down dura-steel and armor and transparisteel and used it to construct itself, like one grows bones and such.

Right, the hulls vary based on the original componennts, so saying that they all suck is stupid.

[Ender]

Vong hulls aren't that strong though - even stutter fire has mangaed to go past it before and normal X wing fire often hulls them.

When has stuter fire done more then score the hull? Quote please. And a full shot will hull a Tie as well. 8 KT of direct energy transfer tends to do that

[Illuminatus Primus]

Vong hulls aren't that strong though - even stutter fire has mangaed to go past it before and normal X wing fire often hulls them.

Ah, you mean how normal, NR and Imperial Starfighters die from direct laser hits?

Notice Darkling says that NR starfighter weapons can hurt YV starfighters. Therefore YV hulls suck. Huh?

Proximity detonations of Proton torps have taken out Vong ships before (in one formation 6 dead,2 disabled and 2 damaged out of 10) of course that doesn't tell us a lot considering the variable yields that proton torps supposedly have (but from the ones used on the ground and the like they seem rather weak).

Baseless assumption. A flight of 4 Y-Wings has been vaped by a single missile before.

[Illuminatus Primus]

The building in question broke down dura-steel and armor and transparisteel and used it to construct itself, like one grows bones and such.

The fact that YV biotechnology can break down durasteel/duraarmor/etc into its components and then reconfigure it into itself for maximum durability indicated YV hulls can't be far behind, if they can break down and reconfigure the contents of SW ships' hulls.

The fact that the NR didn't completely slaughter the YV instantly and that there has been a war to speak of suggests that YV hulls can withstand SW fire, albeit not as well as dura-armor, but they're not being evaporated in clouds either.

It is clearly physically exotic shit.

[Lord_Xerxes]

Vong hulls aren't that strong though - even stutter fire has mangaed to go past it before and normal X wing fire often hulls them.

When has stuter fire done more then score the hull? Quote please. And a full shot will hull a Tie as well. 8 KT of direct energy transfer tends to do that

I have read all the NJO books, and I do recall at least once that a stutterfire shot had pierced the cockpit portion of the Coralskipper. I can't recall which book though. The idea behind stutterfire was so they could trick the Vong's singularities so they could slip a full-powered shot passed them. I don't think a stutterfire shot has ever hulled a Skipper though.

Still though, I think the religious zeal of the Vong and their sheer numbers would prevail. They have no ethics as far as sending their troops to death. Infact, it's honorable to them. I don't think the Borg would get very far with trying to stop the horde of Vong that is incensed by their existance.

[Mr Bean]

The Borg are the equivlant of the Anti-Christ to use a Christian term for the realtionship

[Darth Balls]

the vong would go absolutely nuts if they ever saw the borg, they would declare them an abomination and procede to throw everything they've got at them
it would be a slaughtering of the borg

[TheDarkling]

Vong hulls aren't that strong though - even stutter fire has mangaed to go past it before and normal X wing fire often hulls them.

Ah, you mean how normal, NR and Imperial Starfighters die from direct laser hits?

Notice Darkling says that NR starfighter weapons can hurt YV starfighters. Therefore YV hulls suck. Huh?

Ermm R2 withstood a tie blast however let me put it another way - when a Vong ship takes a shot a shot at an X-Wing the X-wing often has time to retire from the fight etc because damage is often minor but hits on Vong skips almost always put them out of the fight I suppose you could put that down to Vong skip weapons being weaker (they are take note of the skip on skip fight in Rebel Stand) or just general bad design (once the inside of the ship begins to freeze the skip is dead).

Proximity detonations of Proton torps have taken out Vong ships before (in one formation 6 dead,2 disabled and 2 damaged out of 10) of course that doesn't tell us a lot considering the variable yields that proton torps supposedly have (but from the ones used on the ground and the like they seem rather weak).

Baseless assumption. A flight of 4 Y-Wings has been vaped by a single missile before.

Well since I made no assumption thats ok however the incident I am talking about highlights the fact that the Dovin Basal cannot protect its entire facing side (this is also seen in the skip on skip fight where plasma is getting past and hiting the hull) from explosions in the correct range.

Ender: It could have been the cockpit like Lord_Xerxes said all I really remember is a line about needles of light or something like that, I can't remember the book it was in though I may look later but its a lot of pages to cover.

Its clear that Vong "technology" is simply bad the only thing they have going for them is more high powered weapons (I'm not convinced that their weapons are as good as NR weapons should be but I'm not going to try and explain why that is because I haven't got a good answer) and good ship building rates (again I'm not convinced they are amnazing I do think they need respect).

[Ben Ingram]

Look, it's obvious the Vong have a huge advantage over the Borg when it comes to numbers, and we also know that they can "assimilate" other lifeforms as well, as seen when they create slaves. Does this mean that they could simply infest a Borg drone and use his connection to the collective to conquer the entire Collective? Hell, no.
The Vong are the accumalitive members of a race that has populated all of one galaxy and most of another, so I feel it would be safe to say they have a numerical advantage. Also, since their weapons aren't energy based, the Borg aren't going to adapt to it anytime soon.

[ali-sama]

hmm. he woudl be asimuilated unless eh can get osme heavy weapons. assuimg borg dont; adapt to ke weapons. otherwsie. resistance is futile.

[Kuja]

hmm. he woudl be asimuilated unless eh can get osme heavy weapons. assuimg borg dont; adapt to ke weapons. otherwsie. resistance is futile.

Jesus H. Christ, learn how to type.

[ali-sama]

hmm. he woudl be asimuilated unless eh can get osme heavy weapons. assuimg borg dont; adapt to ke weapons. otherwsie. resistance is futile.

Jesus H. Christ, learn how to type.

tried. failed. opps.

[Captain tycho]

hmm. he woudl be asimuilated unless eh can get osme heavy weapons. assuimg borg dont; adapt to ke weapons. otherwsie. resistance is futile.

Jesus H. Christ, learn how to type.

tried. failed. opps.

Should I buy you a typing program?

[ali-sama]

Jesus H. Christ, learn how to type.

tried. failed. opps.

Should I buy you a typing program?

Ohhhh. thanks!!! much apreciated!!!

[beyond hope]

*ponders Ali-Sama's contributions to this thread while refueling my flame gun with Ka oil*

anyways...

The Borg have already demonstrated an inability to cope with organic technology in their battles with species 8472. Given that the Vong use organic technology, and that they can manage the destruction of SW ships, they should be able to tackle the Borg.