Phaser/Shield Frequency

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-31 08:08pm

trying to come up with something...

Phasers nd shields run on frequencies, a phaser operates on the same frequency as a shiled so the shields and phasers canoperate at the same time during combat.

SO why don't ships under phaser attack simply scan or figure out how to scan what prequency the phser is operating on, then set their phasers for the same frequency? They could then fire right through the attackers shields.

Of course the obvious explanation is that you would then have to set your shields to the same frequency and the attacker would also be able to fire through your shields. But a more maneuverable ship could exploit this advantage or better yet a squaron of fighters such as the Peregrines going for nacelles or Torpedo Launchers.

Another idea could be a photon topedo with a shield operated by some kind of program or a remote. luanch the torpedo with the shield at the same frequency as your shields then before it gets to the enemy, switch shield frequency to their shields. The Torps shield might/would/could act as a bubble to get it through the enemy shields and hit it.

FLaws in the idea? Lemme kno I prefer to learn from bad ideas rather than actual mistakes.

Post by **Mr Bean** » 2003-01-31 08:09pm

Another idea could be a photon topedo with a shield operated by some kind of program or a remote. luanch the torpedo with the shield at the same frequency as your shields then before it gets to the enemy, switch shield frequency to their shields. The Torps shield might/would/could act as a bubble to get it through the enemy shields and hit it.

This seems to be the exact idea behind Transphasic Torps

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-31 08:14pm

Seeing as how I never heard of a transphasic torpedo i'll ask what the heck they are. A lot of the uber trek weapons from VoY and the later episodes of DS9 are unknown concets to me.

Sidious · Post by **Sidious** » 2003-01-31 08:29pm

SO why don't ships under phaser attack simply scan or figure out how to scan what prequency the phser is operating on, then set their phasers for the same frequency? They could then fire right through the attackers shields.

Kind of makes you wonder huh?

In Generations the Klingon BoP does just that. Finds out the shield frequency of the Ent-D, sets their disruptors (disruptors operate on frequencies? Or was it torpedoes...) to match and proceeds to pepper the Ent-D with green shards of death.

So why wouldnt the command crew of the Ent-D immediatley realize that the Klingons know their shield frequency and change it? They were changing it left and right against the borg right? Just seems like it should have been their first guess when worf says "they have found a way to penetrate our shields".

Transphasic torps actually pass through matter also though right?

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-31 09:42pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:Seeing as how I never heard of a transphasic torpedo i'll ask what the heck they are. A lot of the uber trek weapons from VoY and the later episodes of DS9 are unknown concets to me.

Some new technobabble weapon used to destroy a couple borg cubes in the Voyager finalle "End Game." From all appearances they somehow bypass the borg's adaptive shield and penetrate the cube to explode on the inside, destroying the cube.

A certain moronic Trekkie I've been debating with on another board has recently tried to claim that they pass straight through solid matter like the phase cloak does. Of course he never provides any evidence to back up this claim and demands irrefutable proof from me against it.

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-31 10:03pm

(Mst3k rules)

Okay, so theyre Transphasic because they are phasing through the shieds more like the Pegasus than using a shield of its own to counteract. At least thats what i'm picking up from the name.

Note though in Generations the Klingons used Geordi's visor to get the shield frequencies. Why couldn't a ship do a sensor scan to find out what frequency the enemy is operating on or use rotating frequencies as a tactic against all enemies rather than the borg

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-31 10:16pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:(Mst3k rules)

I know. Like the avatar?

Note though in Generations the Klingons used Geordi's visor to get the shield frequencies. Why couldn't a ship do a sensor scan to find out what frequency the enemy is operating on or use rotating frequencies as a tactic against all enemies rather than the borg

1) Maybe their sensors can't detect the frequency.
2) These are Federation personnel we're talking about here. They're not that bright.

EmperorMing · Post by **EmperorMing** » 2003-01-31 11:09pm

Why does a *torpedo* have a shield?

Especially if it is solid matter on the outside...You know what I mean.

And phasers and shields on the same frequency...You would think phasers would be *multi* frequency...

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-01-31 11:16pm

(The Avatar Kicks)

Why couldn't the sensors detect the frequency? That would have to be one uber powered sensor jammer that couldnt be installed on all ships in every fleet. I know Fed commanders aren't smart but still....

"Captain, the enemies shields and phasers are operationg on a frequency of 7849.37"

"Shit Lieutenant, how'd you figure that out?"

"We'll Enisgn....uh I mean, I did one of those scanning thingys"

"Sweet, target their bridge and space the whole lot of them"

"Uhh sir this is only a simulation"

on the other ship

"Damn they're penetrating our shields!"

"Well ummm change the frequencies?"

"Its not working! Its like they can scan the frequency using their sensor like I would use a handheld radio to pick up a radio station!"

'Signal our surrender, get the women to the escape pods before our enemies come on board to rape and pillage! And get my pornography onto a shuttle quickly"

"Uhh sir this is only a simulation"

If theres any sort of evidence regarding inability to simply scan and detect a shield frequency id like to hear it. Otherwise i'm going to go to work designing my uberwank style Trek ship for a possible fanfic.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-31 11:17pm

EmperorMing wrote:Why does a *torpedo* have a shield?

Especially if it is solid matter on the outside...You know what I mean.

Well, they'd need one on the inside to keep the anti-matter from going kabloowie. It isn't a big stretch of the imagination that they could extend it a bit to the outside to help in hull penetration.

And phasers and shields on the same frequency...You would think phasers would be *multi* frequency...

Maybe. Depends on what you're tyring to do. If you're going for sheer power output, frequency is irrelevant. If you're trying to bypass someone's shield (that has a specific frequency vulnerability) or get through your own frequency based shield, you need one frequency and all others would be a waste of energy.

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-01-31 11:24pm

Darth Fanboy wrote:Why couldn't the sensors detect the frequency?

Perhaps the same reason they can't detect a ship sitting over a planet's north pole, or in a nebula or, well, you get the picture.

If theres any sort of evidence regarding inability to simply scan and detect a shield frequency id like to hear it. Otherwise i'm going to go to work designing my uberwank style Trek ship for a possible fanfic.

Go to DW's canon database and do a search on "sensors"

Darth Fanboy · Post by **Darth Fanboy** » 2003-02-01 01:14am

Why does a *torpedo* have a shield?

Its a theoretical weapon that is basically a torpedo which utilizes a shield using the same frequency as the target's shield. The torp's shield acts as kind of a bubble, allowing the torpedo to pass through the shield.

As for multifrequency phasers you gotta realize that the phasers have to be the same frequency as the shields in order to pass through towards the target.