Worst nation leader

ray245 · Post by **ray245** » 2008-01-04 01:44am

My vote goes to cheng shui-bian.

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2008-01-04 01:46am

My vote goes to whatever national leader allows you internet access.

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2008-01-04 01:49am

What's that I remember about starting one-sentence threads with zero context about shit nobody knows about? Just asking here.

He's the President of Taiwan since 2000, apparently, and he's unpopular as hell. It seems like a bit of an ask to call him the worst national leader in history, especially without any supporting arguments at all.

In that vein, I vote for the Emperor Alexius.

JointStrikeFighter · Post by **JointStrikeFighter** » 2008-01-04 01:53am

Robert Mugabe

alexholker · Post by **alexholker** » 2008-01-04 03:12am

JointStrikeFighter wrote:Robert Mugabe

Seconded.

Metatwaddle · Post by **Metatwaddle** » 2008-01-04 03:40am

I don't know if he's the very worst, but Mwai Kibaki isn't looking so good right now.

Post by **Sea Skimmer** » 2008-01-04 03:53am

Robert Mugabe has taken nearly three decades to drive his country into mass famine, meanwhile Pol Pot killed a quarter to a third of his nations population in just a few years.

The Grim Squeaker · Post by **The Grim Squeaker** » 2008-01-04 03:56am

Caligula. Well, not him, but he's amusing enough, even if he couldn't play the fiddle, and didn't have the "Painted darlings" of Tiberius.
Nice horse though.

ray245 · Post by **ray245** » 2008-01-04 04:02am

Flagg wrote:My vote goes to whatever national leader allows you internet access.

Damn...I should have type 'national'.

Oh well...

FedRebel · Post by **FedRebel** » 2008-01-04 11:48am

JFK?

*Gets beaten to death by Democrats*

Seriously...

He signed the Bay of Pigs plan without reading the damn thing, that trumps anything GWB did. Bush acted with malice, JFK was just stupid.

The whole Cuban Missile Crisis thing wouldn't have been a crisis had he just went through with the air strikes once we knew about the damn missiles. All the Soviets could do is bitch and moan on the floor of the UN, if they were stupid enough to go to war....

USSR: 1917-1962, obliterated by an overwhelming nuclear strike by the US whom only received an underwhelming and disappointingly pathetic response in return.

Also he puts people around him who shared his screwed up POV on the cold war, McNamara being one that comes to mind and he was in a position to do serious damage.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-01-04 12:03pm

Tie between Pol Pot and Sukharto.

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2008-01-04 12:47pm

ray245 wrote:
Flagg wrote:My vote goes to whatever national leader allows you internet access.
Damn...I should have type 'national'.

Oh well...

WTF?

Flagg · Post by **Flagg** » 2008-01-04 01:00pm

DarthShady wrote:
ray245 wrote:
Flagg wrote:My vote goes to whatever national leader allows you internet access.
Damn...I should have type 'national'.

Oh well...
WTF?

Yeah, he's just a total retard who didn't seem to grasp that I was insulting him based on the threads existance, not his lack of english.

DarthShady · Post by **DarthShady** » 2008-01-04 01:07pm

Yeah, he's just a total retard who didn't seem to grasp that I was insulting him based on the threads existance, not his lack of english.

Plain stupidity!

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2008-01-04 01:37pm

FedRebel wrote:He signed the Bay of Pigs plan without reading the damn thing,

Evidence for this assertion?

USSR: 1917-1962, obliterated by an overwhelming nuclear strike by the US whom only received an underwhelming and disappointingly pathetic response in return.

In a sociopath's conception of international relations, Kennedy did indeed squander a chance to "win" the Cold War. But one wonders about the repercussions for our NATO allies who were in range of Soviet IRBMs, and more to the point about the desirability of killing millions of Soviet citizens as a first resort in a crisis. I would say that the resolution of the Cuban Missile Crisis was in fact rather ideal since it ended in a compromise in which the USA gave up nothing of consequence and everybody got to carry on being alive.

Patrick Degan · Post by **Patrick Degan** » 2008-01-04 01:38pm

FedRebel wrote:JFK?

*Gets beaten to death by Democrats*

Seriously...

He signed the Bay of Pigs plan without reading the damn thing, that trumps anything GWB did. Bush acted with malice, JFK was just stupid.

The whole Cuban Missile Crisis thing wouldn't have been a crisis had he just went through with the air strikes once we knew about the damn missiles. All the Soviets could do is bitch and moan on the floor of the UN, if they were stupid enough to go to war....

USSR: 1917-1962, obliterated by an overwhelming nuclear strike by the US whom only received an underwhelming and disappointingly pathetic response in return.

Riiiight. Because it would have been loads better to kill millions of people in one stroke.

Go play in traffic, little boy.

brianeyci · Post by **brianeyci** » 2008-01-04 02:08pm

FedRebel wrote:He signed the Bay of Pigs plan without reading the damn thing, that trumps anything GWB did. Bush acted with malice, JFK was just stupid.

Malice? GWB is too stupid for malice. So a few thousand Cuban expats get killed trying to reclaim their homeland; so fucking what, compared to the treasure and American soldiers dead in Iraq?

He followed his advisors, and after threatened to completely shut down the CIA. Which led to what he did in the missile crisis...

The whole Cuban Missile Crisis thing wouldn't have been a crisis had he just went through with the air strikes once we knew about the damn missiles. All the Soviets could do is bitch and moan on the floor of the UN, if they were stupid enough to go to war....

He ignored his advisors, having realized they were shit, all shit. Your history needs updating. Several major US cities could have been glass if he went through with it -- his advisors were wrong, the satellite recon was wrong, and the USSR had nuclear weapons ready to launch from Cuba.

USSR: 1917-1962, obliterated by an overwhelming nuclear strike by the US whom only received an underwhelming and disappointingly pathetic response in return.

Also he puts people around him who shared his screwed up POV on the cold war, McNamara being one that comes to mind and he was in a position to do serious damage.

In some retard fantasy maybe. There was no WWIII, so mission accomplished. The idea that JFK was a "stupid" president or can even be uttered in the same breath as the "worst" leaders is absurd.

Pablo Sanchez · Post by **Pablo Sanchez** » 2008-01-04 02:18pm

brianeyci wrote:Malice? GWB is too stupid for malice. So a few thousand Cuban expats get killed trying to reclaim their homeland;

More like 100-200, the rest were eventually exchanged back in return for food and medical supplies.

Post by **K. A. Pital** » 2008-01-04 03:45pm

brianeyci wrote:Several major US cities could have been glass if he went through with it

Yeah, funny that - I guess Kennedy would be recalled as "worst US leader" if he went through with it. Not to mention that any possible invasion of Cuba would immediately get tacnuked, as the Soviet commander there had tactical missile complexes deployed and ready, and the authority to use them in case of invasion at well. As for how the rest of the world would recall JFK in such a case... well, immediately murdering around 60-70 million people (with 100+ to die later) in a nuclear conflict with little response, is a pretty bad call for historic records in my book.

Gil Hamilton · Post by **Gil Hamilton** » 2008-01-04 04:43pm

Wait, in a thread where named like Robert Mugabe and Pol Pot are being thrown around, someone picked Jack Kennedy? Really?

Stark · Post by **Stark** » 2008-01-04 04:44pm

The thread has a zero-context, one line OP. All bets are off.

NeoGoomba · Post by **NeoGoomba** » 2008-01-04 05:00pm

Cobra Commander.

Covenant · Post by **Covenant** » 2008-01-04 09:45pm

The Hulk. Absentee dictator for the lose, *I'm a smarmy asshole*?

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-01-04 10:26pm

Patrick Degan wrote:Riiiight. Because it would have been loads better to kill millions of people in one stroke.

Reading comprehension problems?

He said:

The whole Cuban Missile Crisis thing wouldn't have been a crisis had he just went through with the air strikes once we knew about the damn missiles. All the Soviets could do is bitch and moan on the floor of the UN, if they were stupid enough to go to war....

It's entirely in the Soviets' ball whether they want to get glassed or not.

"Comrade Kruschev; the USAF just bombed our IRBM sites in Cuba!; what are we going to do?"

MKSheppard · Post by **MKSheppard** » 2008-01-04 10:32pm

Since we're on WW3 in Cuba; I've always loved the following passages from Ressurection Day, by Brendan Dubois:

"Ole mother Russia is a big place, Carl. Just you see. There's hidden forces there, hidden arsenals, and one of these days, some of those Reds are going to get their revenge. You wait and see. You believe me, don't you, Carl?"

He thought of mother Russia, that destroyed and shattered country, where starvation and madness still reigned, and the only people who had a chance to live were those who could make it to a UN refugee camp along the borders of the old country. No more industry, no more large cities, no more government. Just tribes of people, trying to survive in muddy villages that could have existed in the Middle Ages, a decade after an entity called SAC—the Strategic Air Command—had obliterated their nation from the earth.

"Sure, William," he said. "I believe you. It's a big place."

and

Instead, he looked around at the photographs, plaques and certificates that hung on the walls. There were pictures of General Curtis when he was in the Army Air Force in World War II. both in England and in the Pacific, and there were photos of him at the controls of B-17 and B-29 bombers. Another showed him on an airfield in South Korea. Later photos showed him at SAC Headquarters in Omaha and at the controls of B-47 and B-52 jet bombers. And there were formal, color photographs, as well: General Curtis with President Eisenhower, General Curtis with President Dillon, General Curtis with President Romney [ooc; lol].

But there were no photos of General Curtis with President Kennedy.

One corner of the room had been blocked off by a waist-high wooden railing. Inside the railing and near the wall was a stand, and on top of the stand was a small chunk of what looked like brick, embedded in a cube of heavy glass. Small plaques set every eight inches or so along the railing said DO NOT CROSS. In the center of the railing was a larger plaque:

PRESENTED IN GRATEFUL APPRECIATION
TO GENERAL RAMSEY "THE RAMMER" CURTIS
FOR HIS YEARS OF SERVICE TO HIS NATION
UPON HIS RETIREMENT, AUGUST 1, 1971

A PIECE OF RED SQUARE, MOSCOW, USSR
RETRIEVED MAY DAY, 1971, BY THE 177th RADIOLOGICAL SURVEY SQUADRON
STRATEGIC AIR COMMAND
"PEACE IS OUR PROFESSION"

Carl felt sick to his stomach. Sure, peace. The peace of the grave, the peace of the dead. Some peace. He wondered who would mourn for them, centuries from now, the dead Americans, Russians, Cubans, Chinese, Indians, Ukrainians, Poles. Nobody, that's who. Who, after all, now mourned the ancient dead of Rome, Egypt, Assyria, and Greece?