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Well the YV is because the armor and staffs emit a forcefield to block it (makes much more sense then the stuff being uber dense)Kerneth wrote:Damn. Edit that slightly. Lightsabers can cut through any known material except YV armor and amphistaffs (which they can still cut through given a few swings) and cortosis ore (which it can cut through but takes a while).
Not likely IMHO. Jedi mind tricks don't work on droids, so I doubt they would work on the borg as the collective is one giant droid mind.Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:Borg drones are weak minded, a Jedi can persuade one (which means all since their collective consciousness) to do anything he wants.
While you are correct, those were tac fighters. They are larger and slower then SW fighters, and as I recall were not manuvering, but were on a straight line courseAdmiral Johnason wrote:Actually, the Borg can take down starfighters pretty easy. In The Best of Both Worlds II, the cube removed a small group of fighters with ease.
Of course, it sorta helped that the fighters all flew in a nice, straight line in close formation at a uniform velocity and never even attempted to make one evasive manoeuver.Admiral Johnason wrote:Actually, the Borg can take down starfighters pretty easy. In The Best of Both Worlds II, the cube removed a small group of fighters with ease.
Actually only the LTL are incapable of pulling hundreds of Gigatons of Firepower(Bean put up that the HTL's are capable of Teratons) the MTL's are considered to put out 200+GT....small nitpickKerneth wrote:
The rest of Star Wars:
2) Turbolasers.. HTL put out hundreds of gigatons of energy per beam (not per volley, per WEAPON). Medium and light turbolasers put out considerably less, but are still multi-megaton level weapons. 3) Ion cannons. I really, really, want to see what happens when you shoot a Borg cube with an ion cannon.
Incorrect. The Borg Hive mind is essentially one mind, made up of billions of other minds. The phrase "two minds are better then one" come to mind.Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:Borg drones are weak minded, a Jedi can persuade one (which means all since their collective consciousness) to do anything he wants.
Exactly. Can you say graviton torpedoes? I can. Heh.Admiral Johnason wrote:Actually, the Borg can take down starfighters pretty easy. In The Best of Both Worlds II, the cube removed a small group of fighters with ease.
IMHO, they're weak minded mainly because they still have a biological brain, unlike droids who are programmed, the droids brain, although connected to the collective, still has its own mind which is suppressed. Those who were disconnected didn't go brain dead, they just 'woke up', which proves that they still have a consciousness. Those with a so-called recessive mutation could even go to Unimatrix-Zero. Anyway, since that part of their brain is supressed, it is relatively weak, if a Jedi controls this part and override it on the collective, then something bad could happen to the Borg.Grand Moff Yenchin wrote:Borg drones are weak minded, a Jedi can persuade one (which means all since their collective consciousness) to do anything he wants.
What, are you saying the Force doesn't exist in the ST galaxy? Wishful thinking, pal.Helm wrote:Not to mention, since the Borg are not from the Star Wars galaxy every trick a Jedi had except with alter-jedi powers would be useless against the Borg Collective.
ONLY if those two minds are allowed to act independently. If they just blindly follow orders like drones do, it doesn't amount to squat.Helm wrote:Incorrect. The Borg Hive mind is essentially one mind, made up of billions of other minds. The phrase "two minds are better then one" come to mind.
Back that claim up with evidence.Not to mention, since the Borg are not from the Star Wars galaxy every trick a Jedi had except with alter-jedi powers would be useless against the Borg Collective.
Can you say, "Fed ships suck"?Helm wrote:Exactly. Can you say graviton torpedoes? I can. Heh.Admiral Johnason wrote:Actually, the Borg can take down starfighters pretty easy. In The Best of Both Worlds II, the cube removed a small group of fighters with ease.
Go read the NJO books. The Vong are from outside the Star Wars galaxy. They do not have midicholorians, the parasites that make the Force what it is. Therefore, you cannot effect them with control or sense Jedi powers, only alter (move object, for a example, to throw something at them).Zaku-chan wrote:What, are you saying the Force doesn't exist in the ST galaxy? Wishful thinking, pal.Helm wrote:Not to mention, since the Borg are not from the Star Wars galaxy every trick a Jedi had except with alter-jedi powers would be useless against the Borg Collective.
Can you say, bias answer? *chuckles*Darth Servo wrote:Can you say, "Fed ships suck"?
I did actually. I answered and gave proof/evidence explaining that the Borg, like the Vong, are outside the Force. They have no midicholorians, the parasites that make the Force what it is. You can not effect the Vong, nor the Borg, with control or sense Jedi powers, only alter (move object is a example).Darth Servo wrote:ONLY if those two minds are allowed to act independently. If they just blindly follow orders like drones do, it doesn't amount to squat.Helm wrote:Incorrect. The Borg Hive mind is essentially one mind, made up of billions of other minds. The phrase "two minds are better then one" come to mind.Back that claim up with evidence.Not to mention, since the Borg are not from the Star Wars galaxy every trick a Jedi had except with alter-jedi powers would be useless against the Borg Collective.
I was waiting for someone to bring this up. Kudos to you Ghost Rider!Ghost Rider wrote:Actually the Vong exist on some bizarre other aspect of the Force...they are not seperate from it. Jacen does find this out.
And the Fed ships do suck in many terms of performace, in comparison to most of SW starfighters.
What bias...it's like saying Pinto versus a Ferrari in race and saying the Pinto sucks...it does, it is by far the worse of the two performers in many elements.
Ghost Rider, it was established in Episode 1 what makes up the Force. It's the midicholorians. If you want to just throw that out the window, then we should just end this now because you're telling me that Cannon/Lucas approved material is not valid to you. (Not that I like the fact that they introduced Midicholorians into Star Wars... it took the entire MYTH of the Force out of it. Now all you need is a blood sample and you're on your way to becoming the greatest Jedi ever...)Ghost Rider wrote:Actually you did no such thing since the Vong have been proven to be within the Force...and what possible extrapolation are you making believeing because they are not of SW universe they are not endowed with the Force.
They are living regardless of their status...you are literally claiming because of one element(which the Vong do not have as well...but are proven to be within the Force, Jacen proves this is Traitor) that somehow every single being in the universe does not posses the Force...when the Force communicates with the Midis...by no means do the Midis produce the Force thus a poor analogy.
So the Borg do have the Force, because every living thing does, whether or not they can communicate with said thing is an entirely different story.[/i]