Answering a question to Imperial equivalent to Section 31

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-10 05:35am

Saw that the thread was closed, but I'd like to help answer anyway for those that might not know.

COMPNOR, if I remember ir correctly, was the Imperial equivalent to the Federation's Section 31, only that COMPNOR (standing for Commission for the Preservation of the New Order) was not a rogue faction of Star Fleet.

*and puts his Rebellion Era Sourcebook away*

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2003-02-10 06:04am

Section 31 is a secret intelligence and covert operations group within Starfleet. COMPNOR is not especially comparable, in that it was a civilian group, very public, and more concerned with ideological correctness than with maintaining the security of the Galactic Empire.

Imperial Intelligence is more concerned with the physical security of the Empire, its ships, and its resources, but it, too, is not a secret organisation. It is, however, one of the armed services, and conducts covert operations, so it is, perhaps, more accurate to say that Intelligence is the Imperial analogue to Section 31.

Publius

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-10 08:14am

The Imperial Intelligence is the U-

*Drops dead*

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-10 10:17am

Publius wrote:Section 31 is a secret intelligence and covert operations group within Starfleet. COMPNOR is not especially comparable, in that it was a civilian group, very public, and more concerned with ideological correctness than with maintaining the security of the Galactic Empire.

Imperial Intelligence is more concerned with the physical security of the Empire, its ships, and its resources, but it, too, is not a secret organisation. It is, however, one of the armed services, and conducts covert operations, so it is, perhaps, more accurate to say that Intelligence is the Imperial analogue to Section 31.

Publius

The major difference is....the Empire doesnt mind getting its hands bloody...its intel branch doesnt need to be secret....infact it can be quite effective to be known as ruthless....the Federation is far more in need of something like 31 because they cannot be seen to even look at the dirt much less get involved.

Master of Ossus · Post by **Master of Ossus** » 2003-02-10 10:54am

There's no real Imperial equivalent of Section 31. Section 31 clearly has sweeping powers, but must operate in secret and cloak its actions from the press and the people. In the Empire, they would actually WANT actions like the ones Section 31 has to be publicized, because they were always trying to rule by fear.

Ender · Post by **Ender** » 2003-02-10 11:18am

I'd say the Emperor's Hands and other Darksiders woud be the closest to Section 31. They pull off the exact same sort of things in secret (IE The guy from the Crystal Star wiping out his home world)

Admiral Johnason · Post by **Admiral Johnason** » 2003-02-10 05:12pm

The Norigi and the dark iders could fit into that area. The stuff on Byss was kept pretty secret.

Helm · Post by **Helm** » 2003-02-10 05:13pm

Master of Ossus wrote:There's no real Imperial equivalent of Section 31. Section 31 clearly has sweeping powers, but must operate in secret and cloak its actions from the press and the people. In the Empire, they would actually WANT actions like the ones Section 31 has to be publicized, because they were always trying to rule by fear.

I've been making a lot of bad calls and generalizations today... someone slap me. NOte to self, no more posting after 4 am and then backing them up.

*waits for the slap... or Darth Sarvo's nuclear fusion powered poke*

Ubiqtorate · Post by **Ubiqtorate** » 2003-02-10 07:08pm

Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:The Imperial Intelligence is the U-

*Drops dead*

Surely the honourable Moderator jests. It is well known that the Ubiqtorate does not exist.

Andrew J. · Post by **Andrew J.** » 2003-02-10 08:39pm

Ubiqtorate wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:The Imperial Intelligence is the U-

*Drops dead*
Surely the honourable Moderator jests. It is well known that the Ubiqtorate does not exist.

If I had a drink I'd be doing a spit take right now. Since when have you been here?!

...

Oh right, since November. Well, I must congratulate you on keeping an extremely low profile.

*poke*

VF5SS · Post by **VF5SS** » 2003-02-10 09:39pm

Ubiqtorate wrote: Surely the honourable Moderator jests. It is well known that the Ubiqtorate does not exist.

Hey! Its nice to not see the Ubiqtorate again.

SPOOFE · Post by **SPOOFE** » 2003-02-11 03:44am

If I had a drink I'd be doing a spit take right now. Since when have you been here?!

He's never been here. He's not here right now. Don't be ridiculous. Who are you talking about, anyway?

(Apparently, nonexistence is 5 posts.)

Crayz9000 · Post by **Crayz9000** » 2003-02-11 04:22am

Ubiqtorate wrote:Surely the honourable Moderator jests. It is well known that the Ubiqtorate does not exist.

We recognize the irony in this statement, and are thus taking it into due consideration.

Grand Admiral Thrawn · Post by **Grand Admiral Thrawn** » 2003-02-11 08:20am

Ubiqtorate wrote:
Grand Admiral Thrawn wrote:The Imperial Intelligence is the U-

*Drops dead*
Surely the honourable Moderator jests. It is well known that the Ubiqtorate does not exist.

You think a bit too much about a non-existant organization. If you don't keep your mind on real matters why you might have an unfortunate accident.

And I meant USTMPWTTUGBRD.

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman · Post by **Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman** » 2003-02-12 11:45pm

Well if we take computer games into account, I think the Empire's S31 equivalent is the Secret Order of the Emperor (TIE Fighter, TIE Fighter Collector CD).

IIRC, the existence of the Secret Order is only known to its member. Even your superior in the military would never know if you're a SO member.

Of course, SO may have much different function than S31. The job of SO is to ensure that all elements in the military is loyal to the Emperor. As SO member, your job is to spy anyone, including your superior, and report them if they're being disloyal to the Emperor (like in TIE Fighter when you as the player turned against Admiral Harkov when you discovered his treachery).

Darth Servo · Post by **Darth Servo** » 2003-02-13 01:06pm

Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:Well if we take computer games into account, I think the Empire's S31 equivalent is the Secret Order of the Emperor (TIE Fighter, TIE Fighter Collector CD).

Citing games as the only evidence is pushing the extreme outer limits of official information.

Publius · Post by **Publius** » 2003-02-13 05:14pm

The Secret Order of the Emperor has been referenced in passing in the article "The Emperor's Pawns", by Mr Abel G. Peña and Mr Juan Schwartz with Mr Pablo Hidalgo, in Star Wars Gamer Volume 1, Number 5, published by Wizards of the Coast, Inc., in August/September 2001, and was stated to be involved with the Prophets of the Dark Side. Tan Maarek Stele's connexion with the Secret Order is official and canonical, insofar as the Expanded Universe is concerned.

Furthermore, the events of the TIE Fighter game's story -- particularly the defection of Admiral Harkov and the defection of Grand Admiral Zaarin -- , if not the particulars of the events themselves, have in whole or in part been confirmed in The Stele Chronicles (by Mr Rusel DeMaria, published by Prima Publishing in association with DeMaria Studio, in 1994), in TIE Fighter: The Official Strategy Guide (by Mr Rusel DeMaria, published by Prima Publishing, in 1994), in The Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels (by Mr Bill Smith, published by Del Rey Books, in 1996), in The Essential Chronology (by Mr Kevin J. Anderson and Mr Daniel Wallace, published by Del Rey Books, in 2000), and in The New Essential Guide to Characters (by Mr Daniel Wallace, published by Del Rey Books, in 2002).

Interestingly enough, although the Empire does not have an equivalent to Section 31, the New Republic does in fact have just such an organisation, Alpha Blue, which operates under Admiral Hiram Drayson, without the knowledge of the Chief of State and the President of the Senate. Interestingly enough, Alpha Blue took the same course of action in the war with the Yuuzhan Vong as taken by Section 31 during the Dominion War.

Publius

Wicked Pilot · Post by **Wicked Pilot** » 2003-02-13 06:47pm

I'd say a couple hundred probe droids would bring in better intelligence than all of Sector 31.

Illuminatus Primus · Post by **Illuminatus Primus** » 2003-02-13 07:16pm

Darth Servo wrote:
Kreshna Aryaguna Nurzaman wrote:Well if we take computer games into account, I think the Empire's S31 equivalent is the Secret Order of the Emperor (TIE Fighter, TIE Fighter Collector CD).
Citing games as the only evidence is pushing the extreme outer limits of official information.

It is still correct. Irrelevent comment.

Darth Yoshi · Post by **Darth Yoshi** » 2003-02-13 11:14pm

Darth Servo wrote:Citing games as the only evidence is pushing the extreme outer limits of official information.

Hey, if nothing's contradicting it, it's all good.

Keevan_Colton · Post by **Keevan_Colton** » 2003-02-13 11:51pm

Darth Yoshi wrote:
Darth Servo wrote:Citing games as the only evidence is pushing the extreme outer limits of official information.
Hey, if nothing's contradicting it, it's all good.

*chuckles*
There's nothing else about the totally secret well hidden order...suprising eh?

Lord Pounder · Post by **Lord Pounder** » 2003-02-14 07:48am

No one wil ever know who the secret agency are. It's like the American (not so) Secret Service. You can't be a Shadow Agency if you announce yourself to everyone.