2 miles from my house! oh my god

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-02-21 07:13am

39 dead so far according to local radio..... dozens in critical. i hope my friends didn't go to this place last nite. but then again, everybody knows everybody around here....

[bows head and pays respect to the dead]

http://foxnews.com/story/0,2933,79161,00.html

salm · Post by **salm** » 2003-02-21 09:18am

EVIL!!!
i hope nobody you know was there...

Montcalm · Post by **Montcalm** » 2003-02-21 09:28am

The idiot who allowed the use of pyrotechnics inside should be sent to jail.

Col. Crackpot · Post by **Col. Crackpot** » 2003-02-21 11:26am

i've been there before. the club is way too small for pyrotechnics..and get this, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A FUCKING PERMIT!. The death toll is up to 60 with over 2 dozen more in intensive care at the burn centers at Rhode Island hospital and Mass. General......there is a lot of blood on someone's hands

Shinova · Post by **Shinova** » 2003-02-21 11:39am

Hmm....The Apocalypse must be coming.

Anyway, that sucks.

Stormbringer · Post by **Stormbringer** » 2003-02-21 11:44am

Col. Crackpot wrote:i've been there before. the club is way too small for pyrotechnics..and get this, THEY DIDN'T HAVE A FUCKING PERMIT!. The death toll is up to 60 with over 2 dozen more in intensive care at the burn centers at Rhode Island hospital and Mass. General......there is a lot of blood on someone's hands

There is and there is no doubt that some one will pay for it. Sixty plus dead won't go unpunished.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-02-21 12:57pm

This is the 3rd similar incident in a short period of time. Chicago, Korea, now RI. Each time something has gone wrong combined with panic and we get lots of deaths. The sad thing, is with the possible exception of Korea all these could be avoided.

Sokar · Post by **Sokar** » 2003-02-21 01:20pm

Yet another compeling reason to not go to bars......human mass idiocy

Enlightenment · Post by **Enlightenment** » 2003-02-21 03:01pm

Stormbringer wrote:There is and there is no doubt that some one will pay for it. Sixty plus dead won't go unpunished.

Provided it's not a case of 'sixty plus dead' caused by white collar crime, that is...

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-21 03:06pm

400,000 plus dead caused by cigarettes, and nobody gets punished. How do you know someone will get punished here? It was negligence, not murder.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-21 03:07pm

I predict a big lawsuit against the owners, who promptly declare bankruptcy and carry on with their lives.

Post by **haas mark** » 2003-02-21 03:09pm

Man, that is sad... I hope everything goes well for you.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-02-21 03:12pm

Great White's road manager should have had the fucking common sense to know that the goddamn place was too fucking small. If he's the same one they had ten years ago, and bands are loyal enough to stick with the same guy, he's an idiot and an asshole, I've met him.

Joe · Post by **Joe** » 2003-02-21 03:13pm

The band needs to be sued also, and possibly the manufacturer of whatever the band used for the fire.

Post by **Darth Wong** » 2003-02-21 03:22pm

I think some people need a crash course in tort law. In order to show a tort, you must show that:

1) The defendant had a duty of care
2) The defendant breached that duty
3) Material losses were sustained

#3 is easy in this case. It's #1 and #2 which will be tricky. The band, being totally ignorant of these things, would bear no responsibility. The responsibility would fall upon the party who "should have known better". The band's stupidity and ignorance of all things technical would shield them from liability (yes, I know, it sounds perverse, but that's how it works).

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-02-21 03:24pm

Darth Wong wrote:I think some people need a crash course in tort law. In order to show a tort, you must show that:

1) The defendant had a duty of care
2) The defendant breached that duty
3) Material losses were sustained

#3 is easy in this case. It's #1 and #2 which will be tricky. The band, being totally ignorant of these things, would bear no responsibility. The responsibility would fall upon the party who "should have known better". The band's stupidity and ignorance of all things technical would shield them from liability (yes, I know, it sounds perverse, but that's how it works).

I'm guessing the Club will get most of the blame, with some fallling on the manager. 20 bucks says that he pushed for the club to allow him to use the fireworks on stage.

Frank Hipper · Post by **Frank Hipper** » 2003-02-21 03:28pm

Alex Moon wrote:I'm guessing the Club will get most of the blame, with some fallling on the manager. 20 bucks says that he pushed for the club to allow him to use the fireworks on stage.

I'll go for that. And the band pushed him no doubt.

Alex Moon · Post by **Alex Moon** » 2003-02-21 03:33pm

Frank Hipper wrote:
Alex Moon wrote:I'm guessing the Club will get most of the blame, with some fallling on the manager. 20 bucks says that he pushed for the club to allow him to use the fireworks on stage.
I'll go for that. And the band pushed him no doubt.

Maybe. At the very least they probably said "Hey! This would be cool!" And the manager didn't have the balls to tell them 'no'. However, the band isn't likely to think about or realize all the safety concerns, while the manager and the Club should have. Like Wong said, the band will probably not get the blame for this.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-02-21 03:46pm

Regardless, a moment of silence for the deceased...

That is all.

Defiant · Post by **Defiant** » 2003-02-21 03:49pm

Please forgive the repeated post. Somehow the connection got hosed, and repeated my post.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-02-21 03:50pm

So far, the band is claiming the club manager gave them permission to use pyrotechnics, while the club owner is claiming nobody said anything to any of his people about pyros, and if someone had, the manager would have said no because the club isn't liscensed. In another twist that makes Great White look very, very bad right now, a club owner in Asbury Park, New Jersey where the band played last week also claims Great White used stage pyrotechnics without asking or even informing club management.

Wong, this will be more than just a lawsuit. If somebody set of pyros in an unliscensed club that didn't even have a sprinkler system, it's 85+ counts of negligent homicide on somebody's part. It comes down to whether or not the club knew Great White planned to use them. If they did, it's on the owner and manager of the club. If they didn't, it's on the stage manager of Great White.

TrailerParkJawa · Post by **TrailerParkJawa** » 2003-02-21 04:09pm

How can a public place not have sprinkers? Even my fucking house has sprinklers! Is this a really old building or something?

Kamakazie Sith · Post by **Kamakazie Sith** » 2003-02-21 04:24pm

Darth Wong wrote:400,000 plus dead caused by cigarettes, and nobody gets punished. How do you know someone will get punished here? It was negligence, not murder.

I dunno, even though it was lowered a 28 billion dollar lawsuit shows lots of potential for punishment against the Tobaco companies.

RedImperator · Post by **RedImperator** » 2003-02-21 04:52pm

Under Rhode Island law, public buildings with less than a specified area and less than a certain maximum capacity don't need sprinkler systems. This was a really small club, with a maximum occupancy of only around 300 people. From everything I've heard so far, the club owner was pretty careful about following all the rules (he's a respected local businessman, not like the schmoe running the club in Chicago).

The Great Unbearded One · Post by **The Great Unbearded One** » 2003-02-21 05:00pm

Much condolences...just be thankful you werent there.