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CONCORD, NH—After receiving "subpar" service and experiencing an unusually long wait for his $4.75 lunch at a local Beefside Family Restaurant Monday, customer Gus O'Connor opted to give waitress Carla Hyams a reduced 10 percent tip in an attempt to communicate his dissatisfaction and raise awareness of the areas in which he felt her performance was lacking.

Hyams, 49, who has been serving tables at the popular eatery for 13 years, expressed enthusiastic gratitude for the "immense personal growth" the gesture will afford her, adding that, in the long run, the experience will make her a better waitress.

"Maybe I was a little short with him when I told him to 'hold on a sec,' but in the future, I'll do my best to ensure a situation like that never, ever happens again," said Hyams, who put O'Connor's order slip in as the understaffed cooks dealt with a large, complicated meal for a busload of senior-citizen tourists. "It's days like this that I thank God I get paid less than minimum wage and can rely on a built-in economic incentive to keep me motivated during those 16-hour double shifts."

Hyams added that she now knows she should always bring a glass of water without any ice cubes every time someone orders a Diet Coke, and that the phrase 'when you get a minute' is in fact a polite way of indicating that the customer wants his request filled in under one minute.

"If he hadn't withheld that 50 cents, I'd make these same mistakes over and over for the rest of my career," she said. "Even at my age, it's amazing to think you can still learn something new about a low-paying, menial-labor job."

Hyams added that the next time she sees O'Connor she will remember that he undertipped her and strive to serve him better to avoid any further disappointment.

"He may not realize it, but his actions today will not only improve my work ethic, but will directly benefit him, as well, in that I will gain economic and personal rewards by treating him with the tremendous respect and unfailing attention he deserves," Hyams said. "So really, if you think about it, that 10 percent tip is a win-win situation for both of us."

O'Connor said he felt he needed to get through to the waitress, and did so the best way he knew how.

"By giving her less than the universally agreed-upon minimum, I sent a clear, unmistakable yet constructive message," said O'Connor, who claimed that he hoped the smaller tip would be a "wake-up call" for Hyams. "I was just trying to help push Carla along the path to achieving her full potential as an employee."

"It was the absolute least I could do," he added.

O'Connor said he first considered reducing his usual 15 percent tip for the waitress when Hyams failed to replace the cream packets for his coffee while he looked over the restaurant's extensive list of lunch specials. But it wasn't until Hyams neglected to ask if he needed extra ketchup that O'Connor made the decision to let his "money do the talking."

"In the competitive service industry, there is a mechanism to effect change," he said. "I know this will be an invaluable lesson she won't soon forget, but I just did what any decent human being in my position would have done. And that feels good."

O'Connor said his overall goal was not only to receive better service, but to help Hyams become a role model for her two teenage children, Tyler and Michael.

"I know as well as anyone how hard it is for a single mother with a limited income to raise kids on her own," he said. "But this way they learn the value of money and the satisfaction of a job well done."

In the end, Hyams said, she could not agree more.

"My boys have had a few run-ins with the law, and they could certainly use some good advice," she said. "I can't wait for them, and maybe a couple of their friends, to meet Mr. O'Connor firsthand. I think they'd get a lot out of it."
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The article forgot to mention that the next time he came in the waitress made sure to spit into his burger 8)
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I think I figured it out at "immense personal growth". I've never really felt the need to under-tip to send a message. If the service was truly terrible or rude, I'd speak to a manager.
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This article is a valuable source of information for assclowns like the suit I drove to the airport the other morning. He seemed to be under the impression that it's 15% for decent service, 10% for bad service, and all the way down to less than 5% with $2.90 on a $67.10 ride for really fucking excellent service during which I show up early, help him with his huge-ass girl-on-vacation luggage, and deliver him exactly on time despite having to detour around a major wreck unexpectedly. Learn proper behavioral conditioning procedure from the Onion, Fuckstick.

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Unfortunately I, early on, learned my tipping from my "leave a dollar at the table" mother (though it was admittedly sometimes $2). It took a combo of people online talking about it and eating out with co-workers to make me realize what is actually expected. Nowadays, on those few occasions we eat out, Dad and I never fail to tip at least 15%, and we've gone as high as 25% on occasion.
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Tipping is so much better than industrial relations reform, right guys? This way poor people lose. Can't hurt businesses.
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Raw Shark wrote:This article is a valuable source of information for assclowns like the suit I drove to the airport the other morning. He seemed to be under the impression that it's 15% for decent service, 10% for bad service, and all the way down to less than 5% with $2.90 on a $67.10 ride for really fucking excellent service during which I show up early, help him with his huge-ass girl-on-vacation luggage, and deliver him exactly on time despite having to detour around a major wreck unexpectedly. Learn proper behavioral conditioning procedure from the Onion, Fuckstick.
Suit either sucks at math, sucks at not being an idiot, or had only $70 on his person. My money is on (1), (2), or some combination of those.
Stark wrote:Tipping is so much better than industrial relations reform, right guys? This way poor people lose. Can't hurt businesses.
Agreed, but I can do something worth noticing about tipping with the people I directly interact with. I do not have personal power to affect industrial relations reform.
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You ... wait, what? What do you think voting, lobbying and protesting are about? Bah.

From the waiters and waitresses I've met and books I've read poor tipping (unless explained, i.e. "I don't believe in tipping") usually just results in them hating the hell out of you or being annoyed.

Some people need to read the article a little more closely, though.
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It took me until the third paragraph, geez.
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Erik von Nein wrote:You ... wait, what? What do you think voting, lobbying and protesting are about? Bah.

From the waiters and waitresses I've met and books I've read poor tipping (unless explained, i.e. "I don't believe in tipping") usually just results in them hating the hell out of you or being annoyed.

Some people need to read the article a little more closely, though.
seems to me that everyone knows what the article is about.

I figured something was off at her expressing gratitude.
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I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.
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I'll usually leave at least 15% unless the waiter/waitress is really bad-tempered or surly, at which I might leave it at 10%. That's also accompanied by never returning to that restaurant.
I don't tip because society says I have to. All right, if someone deserves a tip, if they really put forth an effort, I'll give them something a little something extra. But this tipping automatically, it's for the birds. As far as I'm concerned, they're just doing their job.
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Um, I'm not so sure he was being serious as he was quoting the anti-tipping dialogue from the one character in Reservoir Dogs.
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Steve wrote:Um, I'm not so sure he was being serious as he was quoting the anti-tipping dialogue from the one character in Reservoir Dogs.
I honestly like Guardsman's response better than this one. An undressed youtube link would probably have been the best.

Slight tangent, does anyone else tip cash whenever possible? I learned this habit from my father, and I wonder if it actually helps my waiter/cabbie/etc rather than writing it in on the bill.
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Tipping cash probably does an end-run around institutionalised tip-skimming. Frankly, if you pay a tip on a bill, I would have zero faith that tip is all going to my waiter. The same logic that supports tippign allows them to say 'some of this goes to everyone' or whatever bullshit. I always tip in cash directly to the person recieving it.
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Protip:

If you live in a country where tipping is expected, and you take it upon yourself to refuse to tip, you are advised that you return to that establishment at your own risk.

Spittle can very easily be the least thing you have to worry about.

Toe-jam...

Taint sweat...

Congealed, yellow smoker's mucus from the nose of a hungover drunk...

Waitresses and kitchen staff often share a bond that isn't well understood outside food service; a percieved slight against a favorite can very easily result in boeuf avec la saleté de dessous du lave-vaisselle.

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Stark wrote:Tipping cash probably does an end-run around institutionalised tip-skimming. Frankly, if you pay a tip on a bill, I would have zero faith that tip is all going to my waiter. The same logic that supports tippign allows them to say 'some of this goes to everyone' or whatever bullshit. I always tip in cash directly to the person recieving it.
keep in mind that regardless of whether you put it in cash, or in bill, for most restaurant and bar type places, the waiters tip out to the bartenders and barbacks at the end of the night who help them make drinks and such regardless of how you decide to leave your tip.
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Also my friends in food service have told me that depending on the state your in, tipping of a credit or debit card allows the tip income to be tracked and taxed after a fashion.

Giving them cash lets them claim a smaller number as tip income having to account for less taxes.
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I've never been a waiter - how do they get tips that appear on credit card bills at the end of the day? Does the manager just take it out of the drawer, or add it on to their paycheck? I always tip the pizza guy in cash, since I know from my brother's experience that they get to keep all their tips simply by reporting the amount of tips they received as "zero" at the end of the day, and that might be harder with credit cards - but I don't know how that works with wait-staff at a restaurant, since they usually give a percentage of their tips to the cooks/bussers/dish boys at the end.

I usually pay with a credit card (and tip with one) simply because I don't often have cash on me, and using the card lets me "even out" my bill into whole dollar numbers while getting as close to 20% tip as possible.
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Guardsman Bass wrote: I hope you don't visit any repeat restaurants enough for the waiters to recognize you.
*rubs fingers together* Do you know what this is? It's the world's smallest violin playing just for the waitresses.
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Darth Fanboy wrote:
Guardsman Bass wrote: I hope you don't visit any repeat restaurants enough for the waiters to recognize you.
*rubs fingers together* Do you know what this is? It's the world's smallest violin playing just for the waitresses.
Is that a continuation of the thing Steve mentioned, or just you being a jerk-ass/cheapskate?
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Man, where the fuck can I get a waitress served lunch for $4.75? That's when I knew the article was bullshit. :lol:

And please oh please, listen to Hipper folks. I managed one of those take and bake Pizza joints for about a year, the ones that the customers think because there is no delivery and they have to cook it themselves that you are not really doing anything... man... just listen to Hipper OK.

P.S. Just because someone is making your food/drink RIGHT IN FRONT OF YOU (Starbucks, bars) means NOTHING. You would be amazed the slight of hand we of the food service industry and veterans are capable of. :twisted:

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Guardsman Bass wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:
Guardsman Bass wrote: I hope you don't visit any repeat restaurants enough for the waiters to recognize you.
*rubs fingers together* Do you know what this is? It's the world's smallest violin playing just for the waitresses.
Is that a continuation of the thing Steve mentioned, or just you being a jerk-ass/cheapskate?
Oh for fucks sake... Go watch Reservoir Dogs. What the hell is wrong with you? This is akin to nerds making Holy Grail quotes when some one brings up Camelot or people named Tim.
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Havok wrote:
Guardsman Bass wrote:
Darth Fanboy wrote:
*rubs fingers together* Do you know what this is? It's the world's smallest violin playing just for the waitresses.
Is that a continuation of the thing Steve mentioned, or just you being a jerk-ass/cheapskate?
Oh for fucks sake... Go watch Reservoir Dogs. What the hell is wrong with you? This is akin to nerds making Holy Grail quotes when some one brings up Camelot or people named Tim.
I've never seen the movie, but that's why I qualified the statement to reflect when Steve mentioned it. If that's all he's doing, then I don't mean the insult (although we do have things called smilies and the like).
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