Right-for-Lifers pull out the race card in Atlanta

[whackadoodle]

Anti-abortion group targets black women with billboards
An anti-abortion group targeting African-American women has begun putting up dozens of billboards around metro Atlanta, declaring black children to be “an endangered species.”

This is what they look like:



Ryan Bomberger, co-founder of the Radiance Foundation, said 35 should be up by Feb. 15. “We’re aiming for a lot more, but that’s where we’re at,” Bomberger said.

The billboards were announced at a state Capitol news conference at which another group, Georgia Right to Life, announced that it would back legislation this session that would make it a crime to “solicit a woman to have an abortion based on the race or sex of the unborn child.”

The two groups are citing what they say are federal statistics that indicate 56 percent of abortions in Georgia are performed on African-American women, though black make up 30 percent of the general population.

Local NPR stations are reporting that the said RFL organizations are quoting Margaret Sanger's alleged positions on race and eugenics, as well as her alleged 'Negro Project", in which she supposedly contacted white and black leaders about her attempts to eliminate African genes from the pool.

Please note the number of times I used root words like 'suppose' and 'allegedly'. About the frequency that the original news story used ( esp. the parts about Sanger ).

Enjoy.

[eion]

Normally this is where I would decry the hipocracy of Anti-Choice groups for calling for the outlaw of abotion without offering anything in the way of adoption support or adopting any children themselves.

But this is a photo of the Bomberger family:


from: http://www.thisisryan.com/2007/HOMEPAGE/HOMEPAGE.html

I can call this guy and his family a lot of things, but hypocrites isn't one of them. His parents adopted him and 9 other kids after they had 3 of their own.

However:

-Calling black people another species is just plain idiotic.

-And they're still hypocrites for opposing condoms and comprehensive sex education while calling for the outlaw of abortion, forcing women to seek unsafe alternatives or abandoning their babies.

[Samuel]

The two groups are citing what they say are federal statistics that indicate 56 percent of abortions in Georgia are performed on African-American women, though black make up 30 percent of the general population.

I think the correlation is that poor people are more likely to have abortions in Georgia than white people are attempting to eliminate black people.

[Liberty]

You want to know what makes this really ludicrous?

U.S. White birth rate: 11.5
U.S. Black birth rate: 15.7
Source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_07.pdf
So seriously, what the heck? Black people are reproducing faster than white people even if they have more abortions on average.

Furthermore, a little digging revealed that though Georgia may have more white people than black people, both groups have the same total number (not percentage) of teen pregnancies.
Source: http://health.state.ga.us/epi/manuals/p ... 9097al.pdf

Additionally, their argument makes sense only if you assume that abortions do harm to a population, not good.

Finally - what the crap? They're calling blacks a different species??!

[whackadoodle]

Forgot to include the link to the OP:

Link

[cosmicalstorm]

I thought that "pro-lifers" were often racists too, but I'm not from America so maybe I'm just prejudiced?

[Alyrium Denryle]

I thought that "pro-lifers" were often racists too, but I'm not from America so maybe I'm just prejudiced?

No, I am pretty sure that correlation is statistically significant.

We need to think about how females obtain social status in say.... high school. It is not for being smart. It is for having a big set of jugs and sleeping with high status males. That changes later in life, but high school is... amazingly sexist in its social dynamics.

In a poor area (primarily black, in Georgia) with high rates of violence and low life expectancy males engage in more risky behavior (read: crime) to assure their reproductive success. This often takes the form of violence against females in some form (rape, robbery etc). In order to obtain protection, a female tends to ally herself with a high status male (or males... false paternity is somewhere around 40% in these communities last I checked, for reasons I could go into when asked). The only way to do that is through sex, and this occurs at an earlier age due to the low life expectancy (if you dont know whether you will live until your 20th birthday, it is more likely that you will reproduce more, and younger) and because of the risk of violence.

Just like any other social mammal (particularly social primates like non-bonobo chimps and baboons)

[Darth Wong]

Oh come on, do I really have to say it? This is Georgia, for fuck's sake. Can anyone be surprised at fucked-up racial politics in a state whose state flag was a modified Confederate battle flag until 2000?

[Alyrium Denryle]

Oh come on, do I really have to say it? This is Georgia, for fuck's sake. Can anyone be surprised at fucked-up racial politics in a state whose state flag was a modified Confederate battle flag until 2000?

It was just sort of assumed to the point that we did not have to say it

[Vendetta]

You want to know what makes this really ludicrous?

U.S. White birth rate: 11.5
U.S. Black birth rate: 15.7
Source: http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr56/nvsr56_07.pdf
So seriously, what the heck? Black people are reproducing faster than white people even if they have more abortions on average.

They also have a higher infant mortality rate. More than 100% higher, if I recall.

[Aaron]

I thought that "pro-lifers" were often racists too, but I'm not from America so maybe I'm just prejudiced?

No, I am pretty sure that correlation is statistically significant.

We need to think about how females obtain social status in say.... high school. It is not for being smart. It is for having a big set of jugs and sleeping with high status males. That changes later in life, but high school is... amazingly sexist in its social dynamics.

In a poor area (primarily black, in Georgia) with high rates of violence and low life expectancy males engage in more risky behavior (read: crime) to assure their reproductive success. This often takes the form of violence against females in some form (rape, robbery etc). In order to obtain protection, a female tends to ally herself with a high status male (or males... false paternity is somewhere around 40% in these communities last I checked, for reasons I could go into when asked). The only way to do that is through sex, and this occurs at an earlier age due to the low life expectancy (if you dont know whether you will live until your 20th birthday, it is more likely that you will reproduce more, and younger) and because of the risk of violence.

Just like any other social mammal (particularly social primates like non-bonobo chimps and baboons)

I'd actually like to hear about this false paternity stuff, AD. Maybe via PM so the thread doesn't get derailed?

[Darth Wong]

I'd actually like to hear about this false paternity stuff, AD. Maybe via PM so the thread doesn't get derailed?

He's just talking about promiscuous girls who tell their boyfriend that he's the father even though he might not be. Mind you, you see similar behaviour among low-income people who don't live in very high-crime areas. It might be a function of not having any particular long-term life ambitions which would require one to adopt a mentality of delayed gratification.

[Aaron]

He's just talking about promiscuous girls who tell their boyfriend that he's the father even though he might not be. Mind you, you see similar behaviour among low-income people who don't live in very high-crime areas. It might be a function of not having any particular long-term life ambitions which would require one to adopt a mentality of delayed gratification.

Yeah, I see it here all the time. Not a lot of crime here other then vandalism and domestic abuse, over half the town is unemployed though.

[Alyrium Denryle]

I'd actually like to hear about this false paternity stuff, AD. Maybe via PM so the thread doesn't get derailed?

He's just talking about promiscuous girls who tell their boyfriend that he's the father even though he might not be. Mind you, you see similar behaviour among low-income people who don't live in very high-crime areas. It might be a function of not having any particular long-term life ambitions which would require one to adopt a mentality of delayed gratification.

False paternity generally is just that yes. I was going over the reasons they are slutty. No one sits around and thinks about how to maximize their fitness (unless they are a biologist. We have those conversations around the coffee maker in the office). So the thought process will be different from the underlying reason. (Rape for example is usually about exerting power and control in the rapists little mind. The reason he evolved to desire said power and control in a sexual context is to facilitate forced copulation and therefore provide a way around female mate choice, thus maximizing his fitness)

Poor people regardless of how violent the area is have a reduced life expectancy relative to a wealthier person. It gets worse in violent areas, which is where the extreme case of 40% is (The source for that is a book called Sperm Wars, written by biologist Robin Baker. Unfortunately the book is written for the lay person and lacks formal citations for the stats, and false paternity stats tend to get published in obscure journals for obvious reasons and I am having difficulty tracking them down.)

When life expectancy is low... so is the frequency with which someone will hold long term goals. There is probably some correlation in those cases.