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EPA threatens states over Chesapeake Bay cleanup

By David A. Fahrenthold
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, September 24, 2010; 9:15 PM

Federal officials began a sweeping crackdown on pollution in the Chesapeake Bay on Friday - threatening to punish five mid-Atlantic states with rules that could raise sewer bills and put new conditions on construction.

The move by the Environmental Protection Agency is part of the biggest shakeup in the 27-year history of the Chesapeake cleanup. Earlier, when states failed to meet deadlines to cut pollution by 2000 and 2010, nothing happened.

Now, the deadline has been moved to 2025 - but the EPA is already threatening states that lag behind.

On Friday, the agency went after Virginia, Pennsylvania, West Virginia, Delaware and New York, which together account for more than 70 percent of the pollution that causes "dead zones" in the bay. The agency told the states their plans contained "serious deficiencies" and said it could force them to make up the difference with expensive new measures.

It's too early to tell how this might translate into increased property taxes or new rules for farms. But it is clear that - by squeezing states, and calculating they will in turn squeeze homeowners and farmers - the administration is taking a significant political risk.

In an era when environmentalism seems to be losing steam, it is betting that residents of the Chesapeake region care enough to pay the cost of saving the bay.

"I'm a little concerned that EPA could do something to damage that goodwill" toward the bay, said John Hanger, secretary of Pennsylvania's Department of Environmental Protection.

Hanger said that he thought the EPA's plans were too fast-moving, too draconian: "This isn't China, where the Communist Party meets and announces that 'We're just doing it.' And if EPA proceeds in a way that is more like that . . . it's going to be counterproductive."

Environmentalists cheered Friday's news as a potential turning point for the Chesapeake. "There's good reason to hope that, decades from now, we'll look back on (Friday) as a watershed moment in the protection of the bay," said Rena Steinzor, a University of Maryland law professor who has advocated for green causes.

But the specter of increased regulation has led local governments to worry that they will have to raise taxes or set new rules, for instance, about how much of new and redeveloped properties must remain as grass and woods.

"I think everyone will jump on a legal reaction if it comes out that the sewer plants will have to go a lot lower" in the pollution they emit, said John Brosious, deputy director of an association of Pennsylvania cities and towns.

And in Virginia, the Farm Bureau warned that new rules on farms could prove suffocating.

"It's basically going to mean that the EPA is a full partner in that farming operation" because rules will be so intrusive, said Wilmer Stoneman of the Farm Bureau. "I'm not sure why that farmer would want to continue."

The Chesapeake's most problematic pollutants, nitrogen and phosphorus, wash downstream in treated sewage, fertilizer and animal manure. In the water, they fuel unnatural algae blooms, which suck out the oxygen that fish, crabs and oysters rely on.

Federal and state governments have been trying to fix these problems since 1983. They have spent more than $5 billion, but the cleanup devolved into an odd kind of cordial failure. The EPA did not punish states that failed to deliver on promises. And states - which cracked down on sewage plants - shied away from requiring more expensive changes on farms and from urban storm-sewer systems.

Now, 27 years later, nitrogen has been cut by only about half the amount required. And a study showed phosphorus pollution going up, not down, in eight of nine major Chesapeake tributaries.

On Friday, the tone of the cleanup changed. For better or worse, the Chesapeake became a fight.

"We all agree that it's not going to be easy. This is a part of that 'not easy,' " said Shawn Garvin, the EPA official in charge of the mid-Atlantic region.

The change was set in motion last May, when President Obama signed an executive order that shifted EPA's role from collaborator to cop. Obama said the agency would attack water pollution as it has successfully attacked air pollution: by requiring local authorities to meet cleanup goals, or face legal consequences.

As of this month, states were required to submit plans for cutting pollution before 2025. When those plans came in, several states admitted that they were not sure how they would do it.

"Full implementation of this plan will likely cost billions of new dollars," Virginia's plan read. "In these austere times, we cannot guarantee such significant additional funding will be provided by our General Assembly."

Environmentalists said the plans lacked crucial details - noting that, in theory, the states should have been working toward the goal of a healthy Chesapeake since the 1980s.

"We don't have any understanding of what's going to be different to meet these goals this time," said Jenn Aiosa, of the nonprofit Chesapeake Bay Foundation, after reading the plans.

The agency said that two plans - submitted by the District and Maryland - had "deficiencies," requiring minor corrections. But for the five states that take up the rest of the Chesapeake's 64,000-square-mile watershed, the agency found serious faults.

The agency gave the states until Nov. 29 to fix these flaws. If they don't, it said, the result could be requirements that sewage plants be upgraded to remove more pollutants, or that urban areas could be forced to corral stormwater with measures like "rain barrels," or grass buffers.

EPA officials said it was too early to say what those new limits would be or how much they would cost. Over the next 45 days, they will hold 18 public hearings on the Chesapeake in all six watershed states and the District.

The EPA's move has made the Chesapeake a test case for American water pollution. There are now 300 places with low-oxygen water along the U.S. coastline, and scientists and regulators have been stymied by the Chesapeake's old problem: It's unpopular and expensive to clean up pollution that doesn't come out of a sewer pipe.

"If EPA can't make it work here, they can't make it work anywhere," said Oliver Houck, an environmental-law expert at Tulane University.

Officials in Virginia and Pennsylvania say that is a real risk. In Virginia, Natural Resources Secretary Doug Domenech said that, if the EPA imposes its punishments, residents might have to pay extra taxes or sewer fees.

This month in Loudoun County, there was an early skirmish whose results did not bode well for the Chesapeake. The county board of supervisors proposed a new Chesapeake Bay Ordinance that would have set new limits on construction near waterways.

A standing-room only crowd opposed it as too costly and intrusive, and the council voted to delay consideration of the ordinance. County Supervisor Kelly Burk said the reaction from many people was, "We don't have an impact on the bay."

If she had to do it over again, Burk said, "I wouldn't have referred to it as the Chesapeake Bay Ordinance," she said. Instead, she said she would have played up environmental benefits closer to home. "I would have called it the Loudoun Stream Ordinance."
You know, I like how Maryland, true-blue democratic maryland is exempted from this; despite you know; the huge Perdue chicken farms on the Eastern Shore contributing massively to chesapeake pollution.

Probably due to the fact that Steney Hoyer put pressure on the EPA; and that a reliable democrat governor, Martin O'Malley is facing re-election.

So this is pretty much a blatant political move.

The EPA has pretty much put a gun to their own heads here; what happens when the local municipalities and states simply refuse to do what the EPA demands of them?

They have to balance their budgets, and this is a huge unfunded mandate/regulation that the EPA is pushing forth.
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Well, fuck, don't shit in your drinking water is a pretty goddamn basic rule of hygiene and health. WTF is wrong with the human race that people can't be troubled to do this?

There's no goddamned good reason that pollution can't be reduced. Yes, it costs money. Boo fucking hoo. People need to grow the fuck up and pay the actual costs of their lifestyle, don't you think? Besides which, it is possible to convert human sewage into fertilizer to help offset costs as Boston already does. Among other strategies. Boston Harbor used to be one fucking giant dead zone, now it's not. Goddamn Lake Erie and it's tributary, the Cuyahoga River which used to CATCH FIRE are the fucking REASON we have a Clean Water Act in the first place and now it's clean enough that commercial fisheries are operating again and producing safe, wholesome freshwater fish. The fucking Chicago River used to burn, too, off and on and thanks to cleaning shit up (literally) the fish and wildlife are coming back there, too. Do you think any of that was FREE? Fuck no - it cost money. A shitload of money. On the other hand, being able to drink water without fear of what's in it is worth something, too, don't you think? Restoring entire industries like the Lake Erie fisheries are worth something, too, don't you think? Ass-backward Northwest Indiana just today has a shore clean up day where several thousand volunteers went out with garbage bags to pick litter and debris up off the entire northern Indiana shoreline. What the FUCK is wrong with people on the mid-Atlantic that they're resistant to cleaning up their own backyard? Do they LIKE living next door to an open sewer/toxic waste dump?

That applies to Maryland and Purdue chicken farms as much as New York City with its millions and any and all industry affecting the watershed.

The EPA is SUPPOSED TO enforce environmental standards. It's finally trying to do its fucking job. If the affected states can't understand that maybe a good old-fashioned cholera epidemic might make them see reason. But I expect not.

Fact is, individuals can't police the water on their own. It takes GOVERNMENT to do that, government that will formalize the rules and make the asshats obey them. So sorry you don't understand that, Shep.
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Broomstick wrote:What the FUCK is wrong with people on the mid-Atlantic that they're resistant to cleaning up their own backyard? Do they LIKE living next door to an open sewer/toxic waste dump?
No, they don't. They just like paying to fix it even less.

The EPA is SUPPOSED TO enforce environmental standards. It's finally trying to do its fucking job. If the affected states can't understand that maybe a good old-fashioned cholera epidemic might make them see reason. But I expect not.
B-b-but, THE ALMIGHTY INVISIBLE HAND MUST NOT BE INTERFERED WITH!

You're talking about a people who are so indoctrinated in the idea that government intervention is inherently worse than letting a free-market solution happen, and who are so selfish that the idea of paying taxes in general, without regard to any individual tax's merits or actual effect, is anathema to them.

They want the world... The just don't want to have to pay for it.
Fact is, individuals can't police the water on their own. It takes GOVERNMENT to do that, government that will formalize the rules and make the asshats obey them. So sorry you don't understand that, Shep.
I think Shep's reaction is quite possibly indicative of the problem as a whole. The American public thinks the EPA is a joke, because for so long it's been a neutered eunuch of an agency; but when they actually sharpen their claws with a mind to correct a problem that's four-fifths of my lifetime overdue to have been fixed they scream that "Those damn bastards how dare they, they're going to get the taxes raised! BURN THEM! BURN THEM!"

You are, sadly, entirely correct. These problems are outside the scope of even the wealthiest human beings on the planet. Even Bill Gates or those far wealthier than he would go bankrupt in short order attempting to correct problems on a governmental scale. They don't disagree with this - they think the problem is for government to fix.

They just have blinders on and cognitive dissonance turned up to 11, such that they genuinely believe that the government is already well-funded enough to do what they want done, and if the government's not making enough money, then surely the problem is corruption and pork spending - but funnily enough, never the pork spending that winds up on their dinnerplate. Nevermind that a lot of pork spending is doing genuinely useful things that needed to be done, just maybe not in a precisely optimal place or time to do it, and corruption tends towards the 'taking bribes for business-friendly regulations/deregulations' more than 'stealing from the treasury.'

They want it fixed - they just don't think they should have to pay for it.
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ShadowDragon8685 wrote:
B-b-but, THE ALMIGHTY INVISIBLE HAND MUST NOT BE INTERFERED WITH!

You're talking about a people who are so indoctrinated in the idea that government intervention is inherently worse than letting a free-market solution happen, and who are so selfish that the idea of paying taxes in general, without regard to any individual tax's merits or actual effect, is anathema to them.

They want the world... The just don't want to have to pay for it.
technically, this IS the Free market stepping in to solve the situation:D No more relying on the teats of big government to spend your way out of the problem:D
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MKSheppard wrote:You know, I like how Maryland, true-blue democratic maryland is exempted from this; despite you know; the huge Perdue chicken farms on the Eastern Shore contributing massively to chesapeake pollution.

Probably due to the fact that Steney Hoyer put pressure on the EPA; and that a reliable democrat governor, Martin O'Malley is facing re-election.

So this is pretty much a blatant political move.

The EPA has pretty much put a gun to their own heads here; what happens when the local municipalities and states simply refuse to do what the EPA demands of them?

They have to balance their budgets, and this is a huge unfunded mandate/regulation that the EPA is pushing forth.

* The Eastern Shore's contribution to "dead zones" is significantly less than the incoming water from the Susquehanna (PA), Potomac, James, Rappahannock, and York (VA). The comparative inflow along the Chester (which also pulls from Delaware), Choptank (likewise) and Pocomoke (again likewise) is dwarfed by the former rivers.

* Pollution on the Susquehanna north of the Mason-Dixon is still the single largest contributor to dead zones in the bay and neither PA nor NY have done shit to curb agricultural runoff from coming downstream.

Maryland hasn't been perfect in enforcing its end of the bargain but the state has thrown way more money, time, effort, and regulation in to attempting to reduce impacts on the Bay...all while taking the economic hit from things like limitations on commercial fishing in Maryland waters. Basically put another way its about damn time that everybody else who tosses shit in the bay starts having to clean its act up. Maryland isn't exempted, its just that the state is actually DOING (and has been doing something) for a long time now in a near vacuum.


*I didn't hit it above but Steny Hoyer has no need to go helping out Perdue, that's Frank Kratovil's job and frankly I don't think Steny expects him to be around next year so I just can't see him trying to pull any favours out. MoCo is going to be hit and has been hit by the increasing hits placed upon stormwater permits and the like which Maryland has already initiated so its kinda late for him to protect his constituency from paying a higher bill.
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Locally (in my case), an area of asbestos contamination was found in the middle of Valley Forge National Historical Park in 1997.

As far as the EPA is concerned, some has been done to address this. It's still not cleaned up, however:
Last Update: June 2006
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Current Site Status

The National Park Service (NPS) requested money for both an emergency removal and the for remedial investigation and feasibility study (RI/FS). A portion of the park was previously occupied by an asbestos plant which operated between 1937 and 1997. The NPS negotiated with the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania Dept. of Conservation in an effort to get the Dept. to investigate and cleanup the site as a responsible party. The agreement was signed the Fall/Winter of 1999. The investigation and cleanup is expected to take several years to complete. The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection issued the Draft Final Primary Work Plan to NPS in July 2001. NPS initiated dispute resolution procedures on August 24, 2001 because the work plan did not determine the nature and extent of contamination at the site. The dispute was resolved when the NPS accepted the RI Work plan submitted by PADEP's Contractor with the stipulation that additional work may be required. As a result, field work began in June 2002. PADEP is the lead regulator for this site and overseeing the remedial action.

Site Description

Valley Forge National Historic Park (VFNHP) is located in Montgomery County, Valley Forge, Pennsylvania, a suburb approximately 18 miles northwest of Philadelphia, PA. The park today encompasses 3,600-acres and receives approximately 7 million visitors a year. The Schuylkill River traverses the northern portion of VFNHP. The park is frequently used by area residents for jogging, and walking. There are 85 to 95 employees at the park depending upon the season. Several employees live in the park in housing provided by the National Park Service (NPS).

VFNHP is historically significant because of the role it played during the Revolutionary War. There are five abandoned historical limestone quarries within the park. The quarries operated during the 1800s. Today a portion of VFNHP is the area where an asbestos plant operated. The former asbestos plant is located near an old limestone quarry next to the original Valley Forge Military Park. The asbestos plant began operations around 1939. Slurry pipelines were constructed around the park to dispose of waste in the quarries. Kneene Asbestos operated the plant prior to 1997. During this time, the park was managed by the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania.

Later in 1977, the U.S. Department of Interior (DOI) purchased the asbestos plant property and a cleanup began under the supervision of the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Resources (PADER) now the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection (PADEP). In July of 1980, the original contractor was found in default due to the lack of proper equipment. Perkins Run Blasting Company was hired as the new contractor. The contractor was instructed to comply with 40 CFR Section 61.20 the National Emission Standards for Asbestos and Title 25 of the Pennsylvania Code, Chapter 123, Standards of Contaminants of the Dept. of Environmental Resources.

PADER approved the disposal of all insulated pipes with asbestos material in an approved landfill. In addition, PADER approved the proposal to demolish the existing plant structures and to dispose the demolition waste and material from the process waste piles containing asbestos in the dry quarry pit next to the limestone quarry. In 1981, PADER gave permission to the NPS to dispose of silicaceous limestone and asbestos free demolition material in the second quarry pit, a wet quarry at the park.

The park was transferred to the federal government in 1976 administered by the NPS. Asbestos wastes were covered in a majority of the cases by soil. However, erosion over time has exposed the asbestos waste.

Site Responsibility

This site is being addressed through Federal actions.

NPL Listing History

This site is not listed on the NPL.

Threats and Contaminants

The contaminant at VFNHP is asbestos. Areas of asbestos have been documented throughout the park. Asbestos may migrate via surface water run-off and wind. Direct contact by humans (visitors and park personnel) and the environment may result in an exposure.

Contaminant descriptions and risk factors are available from the Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry, an arm of the CDC.

Cleanup Progress

As a result of an anonymous tip, EPA activated $200,000 to initiate an emergency removal to limit human exposure to asbestos containing material (ACM) at the park. EPA in consultation with ATSDR did the following: 1) fenced off and posted areas of contamination, 2) capped exposed ACM with soil, 3) sprayed encapsulant on exposed ACM where soil covering was impracticable, 4) wet exposed ACM to reduce air borne asbestos fibers, and 5) conducted air monitoring and soil sampling. The emergency removal was deemed complete on or about July 4, 1997.

The emergency removal activities were actions necessary to temporarily stabilize site conditions until the NPS could acquire funding and implement its plan to mitigate the potential long-term threat to human health and/or the environment. Unfortunately, the majority of the encapsulant has degraded by Spring 1998. Most of the ACM is exposed. As a result the NPS has restricted access to areas with ACM. Snow fence and warning signs were posted installed. The Agency for Toxic Substances and Disease Registry (ATSDR) and the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health (NIOSH) were consulted. Both agencies prepared a health consultation for park personnel, visitors and the nearby community. A public availability session was held in early January 1998. A majority of the concerns were presented by the park personnel. The health consultations will be available for public comment by early spring 1999.

The NPS initiated emergency removal authority and conducted temporary mitigation measures. Some areas were covered with temporary soil cover while other areas still have restricted access. VFNHP requested funds to conduct a preliminary assessment and site inspection (PA/SI) at the site. The PA/SI was completed May 22, 1998. By December 1999, VFNHP and the Commonwealth signed an agreement for the Commonwealth to perform the investigation. The NPS initiated dispute resolution of the remedial investigation and feasibility study (RI/FS) work plan. Meetings were held in October and November 2001, and in February 2002. The NPS resolved the dispute by accepting the work plan in May 2002. EPA received the work plan in July after the field investigation began. EPA review of the final work plan accepted by VFNHP determined that the document lacks a quality assurance project plan (QAPP) that meets EPA Region III's requirements. In addition, the investigation into the Schuylkill River and ground water investigation may not characterize the nature and extent of the contamination at and around the park. As a result, EPA suggested that the NPS not accept the final work plan due to a deficient QAPP and for other technical reasons. VFNHP chose to accept the work plan so that the remedial investigation (RI) could begin. The Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection (PADEP) and its contractor initiated work in 2002. PADEP submitted he draft RI in May to the NPS. EPA received the draft RI report in July 2003, and the draft FS in September. EPA was not originally provided a copy to review. EPA completed it review of the draft RI and draft FS reports in January 2004. EPA provided the NPS with significant technical comments and it outlined deficiencies in the reports and provided recommended to the NPS to salvage the reports. EPA also restated that the NPS coordinate with the PA Department of Transportation (PenDOT) since it plans improve the transportation structures in the area. PenDOT has plans to reconstruct the Betzwood Bridge and improve the intersection along RT 13 at the park EPA recommended that the NPS remediate the area prior to construction by PenDOT to ensure that no release of asbestos occurs. If both efforts are not properly coordinated, a release could occur. EPA also recommended that additional characterization and laboratory analyses be conducted since the analytical methods used to evaluate asbestos risk will be changed in the near future. This could significantly impact the investigation and remediation at the site. It is now the responsibility for the NPS as the lead agency to determine how it plans to complete the RI and FS, coordinate with the public and PenDOT on these issues and how it plans to remediate the site for asbestos and other contaminants as well.
Here is a picture of the fenced-in area that I took in 2008, from a nearby parking lot accessible by the public:

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