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Goldman Sachs executive Greg Smith leaves with a burn

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Goldman Sachs executive Greg Smith had just resigned, and he did it in style; in a open letter published on the New York Times, he launches a scathing attack on the Corporate culture that had developed in the place he formerly worked, accusing them of having lost all moral decency and concerning itself only with how to milk every single ounce of profit from their clients, even at their expenses. In summary, Goldman Sachs had become tainted with a 'toxic' culture.

He hoped his one letter would wake people up and changes the ways Goldman Sachs works. His letter, as republished on the Daily Mail online:
No morality, no integrity, and no future: Why I quit Goldman Sachs after almost twelve years


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Today is my last day at Goldman Sachs. After almost 12 years at the firm – first as a summer intern during university, then in New York for ten years, and now in London – I believe I have worked here long enough to understand the trajectory of its culture, its people and its identity. And I can honestly say that the environment now is as toxic and destructive as I have ever seen it.

To put the problem in the simplest terms, the interests of the client continue to be sidelined in the way the firm operates and thinks about making money. Goldman Sachs is one of the world’s largest and most important investment banks and it is too integral to global finance to continue to act this way.

The firm has veered so far from the place I joined right out of college that I can no longer in good conscience say that I identify with what it stands for.

It might sound surprising to a sceptical public, but culture was always a vital part of Goldman Sachs’s success. It revolved around teamwork, integrity, a spirit of humility, and always doing right by our clients.

The culture was the secret sauce that made this place great and allowed us to earn our clients’ trust for 143 years. It wasn’t just about making money; this alone will not sustain a firm for so long. It had something to do with pride and belief in the organisation.

I am sad to say that I look around today and see virtually no trace of the culture that made me love working for this firm for many years. I no longer have the pride, or the belief.
But this was not always the case.

For more than a decade I recruited and mentored candidates through our gruelling interview process. I was selected as one of ten people (out of a firm of more than 30,000) to appear on our recruiting video, which is played on every college campus we visit around the world.

In 2006 I managed the summer intern programme in sales and trading in New York for the 80 college students who made the cut, out of the thousands who applied.

I knew it was time to leave when I realised I could no longer look students in the eye and tell them what a great place this was to work.

When the history books are written about Goldman Sachs, they may reflect that the current chief executive officer, Lloyd C. Blankfein, and the president, Gary D. Cohn, lost hold of the firm’s culture on their watch. I truly believe that this decline in the firm’s moral fibre represents the single most serious threat to its long-run survival.

Over the course of my career I have had the privilege of advising two of the largest hedge funds on the planet, five of the largest asset managers in the United States, and three of the most prominent sovereign wealth funds in the Middle East and Asia.

My clients have a total asset base of more than $1trillion. I have always taken a lot of pride in advising my clients to do what I believe is right for them, even if it means less money for the firm. This view is becoming increasingly unpopular at Goldman Sachs. Another sign that it was time to leave.

How did we get here? The firm changed the way it thought about leadership. Leadership used to be about ideas, setting an example and doing the right thing. Today, if you make enough money for the firm (and are not currently an axe murderer) you will be promoted into a position of influence. What are three quick ways to become a leader in the firm?

a) Persuade your clients to invest in the stocks or other products that Goldman Sachs is trying to get rid of because they are not seen as having a lot of potential profit.

b) Get your clients – some of whom are sophisticated, and some of whom aren’t – to trade whatever will bring the biggest profit to Goldman. (Call me old-fashioned, but I don’t like selling my clients a product that is wrong for them.)

c) Find yourself sitting in a seat where your job is to trade any opaque product with a three-letter acronym.

I attended sales meetings where not one single minute was spent asking questions about how we could help clients. It was purely about how we could make the most possible money out of them.
If you were an alien from Mars and sat in on one of these meetings, you would believe that a client’s success or progress was not part of the thought process at all.

It makes me ill how callously people talk about ripping off their clients. Over the last 12 months I have seen five different managing directors refer to their own clients as ‘muppets’, sometimes over internal e-mail. I mean, come on. Integrity? It is eroding.

I don’t know of any illegal behaviour, but will people pitch lucrative and complicated products to clients even if they are not the simplest investments or the ones most directly aligned with the client’s goals? Absolutely. Every day, in fact.

It astounds me how few people in senior management get a basic truth: If clients don’t trust you they will eventually stop doing business with you. It doesn’t matter how smart you are.

The most common question I got from junior analysts about derivatives [an investment ‘derived’ from share performance] was: ‘How much money did we make off the client?’ It bothers me every time I hear such a comment, because it was a clear reflection of what they were observing from their leaders about the way they should behave.

Now project ten years into the future: You don’t have to be a rocket scientist to figure out that the junior analyst sitting quietly in the corner of the room hearing about ‘muppets’, ‘ripping eyeballs out’ and ‘getting paid’ doesn’t exactly turn into a model citizen.

When I was a first-year analyst I didn’t know where the loo was, or how to tie my shoelaces. I was taught to be concerned with learning the ropes, finding out what a derivative was, understanding finance, getting to know our clients and what motivated them, learning how they defined success and what we could do to help them get there.

My proudest moments in life – getting a full scholarship to go from South Africa to Stanford University, being selected as a Rhodes Scholar national finalist, winning a bronze medal for table tennis at the Maccabiah Games in Israel, known as the Jewish Olympics – have all come through hard work, with no short-cuts.

Goldman Sachs today has become too much about short-cuts and not enough about achievement. It just doesn’t feel right to me any more.

I hope this can be a wake-up call to the board of directors. Make the client the focal point of your business again. Without clients you will not make money. In fact, you will not exist.

Weed out the morally bankrupt people, no matter how much money they make for the firm. And get the culture right again, so people want to work here for the right reasons. People who care only about making money will not sustain this firm – or the trust of its clients – for very much longer.

© (2012) The New York Times
(Distributed by The New York Times Syndicate)


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Of course, given the fact that there had been reports saying that banking and financial institutions being run by or acting like sociopaths (e.g. see the documentary The Corporation, 2003), that's not surprising.

Frankly, given how the world and society works nowadays, the effect the author hopes to achieve with this resignation letter will amount to nothing. How can this change anything?
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It won't change a damn thing. Goldman Sachs is already distancing themselves and denying what he accuses them of doing. Behind closed doors the sociopaths will shake their heads and mock the one who went soft, who was so naive, who doesn't understand how the world works (according to them), and then continue with business as usual.
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I love how he salves his conscience by pointed out the bad behavior as he leaves, rather than actually trying to do anything about it while he's there. Typical corporate shitheel.
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What, exactly, does one man do when everyone around him is turning into a pack of lunatics and assholes?
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He should have just kept silent to avoid Flagg's scorn, obviously.

Discouraging people from expressive this stuff doesn't really encourage desirable behaviours.
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Simon_Jester wrote:What, exactly, does one man do when everyone around him is turning into a pack of lunatics and assholes?
Something like this?
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Simon_Jester wrote:What, exactly, does one man do when everyone around him is turning into a pack of lunatics and assholes?
Collect as much incriminating evidence as he can and turn it in to the SEC, State Attorney Generals, and other authorities so they can prosecute the fuck out of Goldman. And if they refuse to prosecute, hand the shit over to the media, wikileaks, bloggers, and let the media & internet go to work in distributing the info to everyone in simple, easy to understand soundbites.
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Stark wrote:He should have just kept silent to avoid Flagg's scorn, obviously.

Discouraging people from expressive this stuff doesn't really encourage desirable behaviours.

I don't scorn him for expressing himself, I scorn him for doing it after he leaves and not doing anything about it while he could. It's just like all the Bush administration cunts who spoke out after the policies imploded rather than before or during.
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aerius wrote:
Simon_Jester wrote:What, exactly, does one man do when everyone around him is turning into a pack of lunatics and assholes?
Collect as much incriminating evidence as he can and turn it in to the SEC, State Attorney Generals, and other authorities so they can prosecute the fuck out of Goldman. And if they refuse to prosecute, hand the shit over to the media, wikileaks, bloggers, and let the media & internet go to work in distributing the info to everyone in simple, easy to understand soundbites.
If we take the letter at face value, he didn't have incriminating evidence.
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More likely he didn't have incriminating evidence he wasn't personally involved in, and since I don't get the impression that he doesn't want job in the financial sector ever he sure isn't going to want to end up in court for years.
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aerius wrote:Collect as much incriminating evidence as he can and turn it in to the SEC, State Attorney Generals, and other authorities so they can prosecute the fuck out of Goldman.
Did you miss this part?
I don’t know of any illegal behaviour...
It's unreasonable to berate him for not collecting evidence that might not even exist.
And if they refuse to prosecute, hand the shit over to the media, wikileaks, bloggers, and let the media & internet go to work in distributing the info to everyone in simple, easy to understand soundbites.
Didn't he already do this with just with an open letter to the NYT?
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The excellent GS Elevator Gossip has the inside perspective as always:

"#1: The media sucks. Greg Smith was an Executive Director, not an 'executive'. Besides, I made ED at 28. #2: Homo."

@GSElevator is things overheard at Goldman Sachs, for your amusement or disgust.
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Do you have any evidence that he didn't try to change what he could while he was inside the company? Vastly more likely was that he did what he could, but didn't get much in the way of results, and couldn't put up with working for the company anymore. Hence, the letter and the resignation.
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Hawkwings wrote:Do you have any evidence that he didn't try to change what he could while he was inside the company? Vastly more likely was that he did what he could, but didn't get much in the way of results, and couldn't put up with working for the company anymore. Hence, the letter and the resignation.

Prove he did. It's not my burden to prove he didn't.
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It may be the lack of coffee talking, but... why isn't it?

You were telling us that he is to be condemned for not taking action: "Why didn't he do this and that?" Doesn't that mean you're the one who needs to prove that he didn't do "this and that?" Or do we normally get to accuse people of a sin of omission without proving that they forgot to do anything?
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Simon_Jester wrote:It may be the lack of coffee talking, but... why isn't it?

You were telling us that he is to be condemned for not taking action: "Why didn't he do this and that?" Doesn't that mean you're the one who needs to prove that he didn't do "this and that?" Or do we normally get to accuse people of a sin of omission without proving that they forgot to do anything?
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Is that always true? If your claim is that I did not do X, should everyone assume you're right by default without any evidence? Is it really that easy to make proving your claims unnecessary- just rephrase the claim as a negative?

Just to take a mundane example- if I'm yelling at you because, say, you forgot to lock the car door when we got out of the car, shouldn't I have to be sure that you didn't lock the car door? It would be pretty stupid of me to be yelling at you if you had remembered to do that after all. Do you get to yell at me by default until I prove I remembered to lock the door, 'guilty until proven innocent?'
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Moron, we assume he did nothing and work from there. The onus is on you to prove a positive, not on me to prove a negative. Which is academic since he never claimed to do anything anyway.
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So, that works in real life too? I can just assume people forgot to do things, or didn't help someone who needed it, by default? And insult them for not having done it until they prove to me that they did do it?

Cool.
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Well gee this is really shocking news...
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Phantasee wrote:The excellent GS Elevator Gossip has the inside perspective as always:

"#1: The media sucks. Greg Smith was an Executive Director, not an 'executive'. Besides, I made ED at 28. #2: Homo."

@GSElevator is things overheard at Goldman Sachs, for your amusement or disgust.
Yeah except the next post suggests Michelle Obama is going to steal the whitehouse china when she leaves. Apparently ED=DB.

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These are things people say in the GS elevators and offices. That's what someone at GS actually said.

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Themightytom wrote:
Phantasee wrote:The excellent GS Elevator Gossip has the inside perspective as always:

"#1: The media sucks. Greg Smith was an Executive Director, not an 'executive'. Besides, I made ED at 28. #2: Homo."

@GSElevator is things overheard at Goldman Sachs, for your amusement or disgust.
Yeah except the next post suggests Michelle Obama is going to steal the whitehouse china when she leaves. Apparently ED=DB.
The account never posts his or her own perspective. Everything on there is quoted, verbatim, from stuff overheard at Goldman Sachs, or supposedly so at any rate. To my knowledge, no one actually knows who is behind the account (and I'm confident I'm right, since if anyone did, the person rapidly wouldn't be overhearing anything at Goldman Sachs anymore).
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Anyone read Goldman Sach reply yet?There seems to be a whole shitstorm rising over this n forbes nathan is protraying this as a mid life crisis.
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Everyone in the industry with the slightest hint of a clue knows GS is pure poison and switched to short-term 'screw the customers' strategies last decade. The public apparently doesn't so sadly 'I bought these things because GS recommended them' gets you off the hook the way 'I bought IBM' used to in IT. Since the 2008 crash they've had an almost unbroken record of advising their clients to do exactly the wrong thing. We like to speculate whether it's just a group of assholes are destroying one company for personal gain, or whether they collectively think the whole global financial system will explode and are looting while they can.
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