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And we mark the beginning of the series 'Space Marine Battles', also known as 'BL's way to get more money out of the fandom.' - (and yes, that includes me, it seems. Ha ha!) And I'm sure if 40K needed anything, it was even more Space Marines...

anyhow its a hit and miss series amongst hit and miss series, with quality largeyl dependent upon the author. Some, like Rynn's World nad Helsreach, I found to be rathre enjoyable. Others were pretty blah, and the 'extra's' don't really make them worth the price. But there are some techy bits, which is of course one reason why I bother with these.

The first book in the series was Rynn's World, which covers the events pertaining to the Crimson Fists and the destruction of their Fortress monastery during an Ork invasion. The story largely covers the events before and after, which in a way divides the story into a 'before' and 'after' comparison. The second one tends to be the more interesting, as the Fists are put in a difficult position - they've lost a huge chunk of their Chapter and their base of operations in the midst of a massive invasion. Do they try to preserve their own forces, or do they do what Space Marines are supposed to, and act as the defenders of humanity? In some ways I see this as a continuation of ADB's short story 'One Hate' and a counter to the Suol Drinker depiction of 'Crimson TEars.' As a start to the series it isn't bad, although IMHO Helsreach was far better.

Part 1

Page 8
I know that Rynn’s World is not far from here, barely two weeks’ travel as the warp flows.
2 weeks between badlanding and Rynn's world.

Page 18
Every century, scores of Crimson Fists gave their lives in battle to protect the Imperium from the foul maladies that infected it.
Estimated loss rates of Crimson fists up to this point. How many scores.. I dont know.

Page 28-29
“I was placed in trance for the imprinting, lord, so the content is unknown to me. I know only what the Monitor told me."
...
"I shall sign the activation code to you now. Speak it back to me, lord, and I will automatically recount the message.”
...
The serfs body immediately stiffened as if it had just received a massive electric shock. His head rolled to one side, his eyes glazed over, and he began speaking in a voice that bore no resemblance whatsoever to the one he had used only moments before.
Security measures of message couriers. Probably psychic related, but an interesting feat nonetheless.

Page 38-39
The Peregrine was a fine craft, almost thirty metres long, he judged, and perhaps fifteen in height, with a wingspan to match.
Imperial shuttle.

Page 42-43
The walls, like the gates, had been built from the stuff of Rutilus Tyrannus, and were studded all along their length with devastating longrange weaponry, much of which had no doubt once graced the port and starboard batteries of the ship.
The Crimson Fist fortress monastery is built from components (armour weapons)f rom the starship. What kinds of weapons and armor and to what degree we don't know.

Page 54
Give or take a dozen light-years, Badlanding essentially lay on a straight line between the Rynnstar system and the domain of Charadon, a star cluster that was
absolutely infested with the savage beasts.
..
..a Waaagh was indeed gaining momentum on the fringes of the sector, then the Crimson Fists were the only force within a year’s warp travel that had a chance of reacting in time and with the appropriate level of force.
Implies at least several dozen or so LY.. but probably more like several hundred betwene Charadon and badlanding. I suspect the distance between Badlanding and Rynn's world is less.. edge of the sector to wherever in the Loki Sector Rynn's world is.. at least maybe 10 but less than 200 LY away. two weeks at that is thousands of c probably.

Rather interesting they're the only force within a year's warp travel that coudl fight back.. at least against a WAAAGH. couldn't they amass temporary forces from local planets/PDFs to assist? Perhaps the nature of the Astartes relationship to the imperium means they have to petition headquarters directly or something.

Page 56
It was Traegus who had initiated the controversial breeding programmes—programmes by which the Chapter’s failed aspirants, those who had survived the trials and had not been rendered sterile, were bred with women of suitable genetic stock in the hope of creating male offspring strong enough to swell the ranks of the Chapter one day as full Astartes. Unfortunately, the results had been unpredictable and disappointing.
Attempts at Astartes breeding programs. Didn't pan out.

Page 58
“At 07:58hrs on this Day of Foundation, our near-space communications array received and decoded a pulse-burst signal with an Omega-level Imperial encryption key. The signal was broadcast repeatedly at fifteensecond intervals, originating from a commercial transport that slid from the warp two astronomical units outside the orbit of Phraecos.”
2 AU warp emergence point from Rynn's world.. mayb 3 Au total distance. Also a freighter carried the message in 2 weeks from badlanding to Rynn's world.

This probably represents a "backup" means of communcation, an impromptu courier service (playing mailman in other words) either when ships just briefly drop out of the warp, or when they come in system.

Page 60
“If the warp is calm, and the tides and eddies favour us, one of our cruisers could reach high orbit around the target planet in approximately three hundred and sixty-eight standard hours.”

“That’s almost two weeks,”
...
“If the warp is turbulent,” Adon continued, “and the tides are against us, the journey could take many times longer. A worst-case scenario is beyond my ability to accurately calculate with the information I currently have. Perhaps the Master of the Librarius would offer comment.”
Travel time form Rynn's World to badlanding. Same as for the freighter.


Page 60
“Local warpflow appears relatively untroubled at this time. The Librarius has detected no significant disturbances that would present a problem to travel.”
Librarian meteorlogical services.

Page 61
"I shall send The Crusader. Of all our fleet, she is the most reliable when a swift warp transit is of the essence.”
Fastet ship in the Crimson Fist fleet.

Page 69
He looked to be well into his ninth decade of life when, in fact, he was a mere forty-four years old.
unnautral (physical) aging of Astropaths

Page 70
“Nothing, captain, can cover an astropathic transmission. The moment I attempt to send any kind of word out, every ork psyker on those ships will know exactly where we are, I promise you. If you wish me to manipulate the ether without alerting our foes, we must return to the far fringes of the system where we last exited the warp. From there, I might safely send word, but no nearer. It would invite a ship-to-ship conflict that you and I both know we would not survive.”
There is no stealthy astrotelepathy.

Page 71
“Sixteen ork battleships that we can see,” said Werner, meeting his captain’s gaze, “and that’s just on this side of the planet. Five of those are equivalent in size to the Navy’s Emperor-class ships, and each of those, knowing the greenskin propensity for arms over armour, almost certainly has the edge in firepower."
16 Battleship analogues.

Page 73
"The message is intended for all ork parties currently active in the spinward sectors of the Segmentum Tempestus and the trailward sectors of the Ultima Segmentum. It instructs all ork ships in these sectors to rally under the banner of the Arch-Arsonist. It also declares that Snagrod’s Waaagh has begun, that it cannot be stopped, and that it is the divine will of the ork gods, Gork and Mork.”
Somehow (coueriers perhaps, although that doesnt seem likely in context) Snagrod is transmitting comms messages to orks throughout the sectors to join his WAAAGH. MAybe they think its red, and its going faster?

Page 74
“Badlanding is a practically a dead world. Most of the water there is lethally toxic, and orks need potable water just as much as the human settlers did. Krugerport has a single large purification facility.”
Orks being organic need water. Which makes sense.

Page 78
...stalking alien sentries with his silenced bolt-rifle slung over his back, combat knife in hand, eyesight augmented by the sensitive optical lenses of his nightvision goggles. Already, he had silenced the grunting breaths of half a dozen filthy greenskin scum.
Crimson Fists Scout gear.

Page 79
When it had, they slid into the town in silence, killing the orks they caught unawares by thrusting their long combat knives neatly between the third and fourth vertebrae as they had trained so relentlessly to do.

With their nerve bundles neatly severed, the orks went down quick and quiet, the trademark kill of a true Astartes Scout.
The nerve centre seeems to be the weak point of all Orks (obivously) whethre it s ahead shot or the spine or whatever.

Page 80
Two of them had only ever experienced the slaughter of a greenskin through the sensorium-link downloads available in the Chapter’s Librarium, but they had bloodied themselves for real this night, and there was more killing to come.
VR like sensorium link training.

Page 82
To the north, almost eight kilometres away according to the laser rangefinder incorporated into his goggles..
goggle laser rangefinder range.

Pag e82
The orks had
spitted meat over these. It hung roasting, licked by orange flames, and Mishina noted with revulsion and anger that some of those spits carried hunks of meat that bore the unmistakable silhouette of human limbs.

The smell corroborated his worst suspicions. The scent was close to that of roasted grox, but sharper in the nostrils. He had smelled it before, a funeral pyre
stink.
Orks eating humans. And humans smell like Grox, meaning Grox (or at least some) are a kind of pig/pork product

Page 83
Turning away from the sight, and zooming out to normal magnification again, he tracked right and found what he was looking for. To the east, nine-point-six
kilometres away...
opticla magnitication of scout goggles.

Page 84
He led his Astartes through the breach in the curtain wall that Mishina and his Scouts had marked out for them. Orks wouldn’t see those marks. The Scouts left little splashes of a liquid that was only visible in infrared. The helmet visors of the Crimson Fists picked up those splashes as if they were blazing neon lights..
Intersting form of marker. Also Astartes helms have infrared.

Page 85
...the atmosphere was breathable, which made it a relatively rare and valuable find among the millions of worlds man had discovered since the first days of his expansion into space. Despite the vast size of the Imperium, the ratio of naturally habitable worlds to non-habitable was far below one per cent.
Breathable, habitable planets are less than 1% of the galaxy (far less) - millions or a few billion tpops. Also implies millions of human worlds, which may mean humans of Imperial worlds.

Page 89
“About one kilometre out from our objective now. Scouts moving into sniping positions. Ork presence minimal so far, but I don’t think it’ll stay that way for long.”
Implied sniper range for Scouts.

Pag e92
Kennon was currently crouching on the corner of a dust-covered rooftop about eight hundred metres to the north-west of Mishina’s current spot, covering the ork
defensive post on top of the comms tower from a western flanking position.
Range of scouts between each other. Again has implications for sniping range.

Page 93
Ulis was a Dreadnought, one of the Chapter’s revered Old Ones, and about four metres across from shoulder to shoulder. The largest ork Mishina had ever seen in person had been almost three metres across. It had taken a direct hit from a Predator tank to slay that bastard.
Ork size and durability commentary.

Page 99
The beast had covered ten more metres, lumbering forward on legs as thick as a man’s torso. He fired, and a bolt thundered into the centre of the creature’s sloping
forehead.

It kept running. Orks didn’t go down easily. A second later the exploding bolt blew out the creature’s brain, and its heavy, headless corpse hammered against the
dusty street spouting thick red blood.
Ork vs bolt pistol

Page 100
The first he knew of his attacker was when the bright beam of its lascannon—a weapon pilfered from the fallen Imperial Guard forces—sliced through both of his knees, cutting bone, flesh and ceramite armour with ease.

Cero tumbled to the surface of the street, roaring in agony, his cropped legs gushing hot blood.
Lascannon slices legs off of a Space Marine.

Page 102
Suddenly, its head snapped backwards, a neat hole punched in its right temple. It fell to its knees. A moment later, its head burst in a shower of red gore and chips of bone.
...
Four brass casings landed at his feet. Four orks dropped, their meaty carcasses tripping those closest behind them.
Scout sniper rifle. Described as a bolt weapon. Apparently it ejects casings (we have exmaples of this more than once throughout the novel. As well as on the cover.)

Page 104
Brother Cero was still alive down there, his lower legs shorn off at the knee, unable to escape without aid. He cradled the armoured body of his dead captain in his left arm. In his right hand, he gripped the captain’s boltpistol.
...
The orks were closing in unopposed now, less than two hundred metres away from Cero..
Range of a bolt pistol.. at least 200 metres, probably more. May reflect ranges from earlier as well, since the death of the Captain and Cero losing his lgs all happened in a fairly short timeframe.

Page 109-110
“We go back in with as much of the fleet as we can. We cut their ships to pieces and turn the whole planet into a ball of molten slag.”
...
“And perhaps you, my invincible brother, would explain to the High Lords of Terra why a world with a breathable atmosphere and valuable raw resources was made worthless to the Imperium. I would gladly travel with you just to see their reaction.”
to be fair we dont know HOw they intend to turn it to molten slag, but its telling that they feel they need the whole fleet to do it. Usually you only need one ship (or a squadron of escorts) to deploy Exterminatus munitions - one ship should be more than enough in that case (CF Black Tide, etc.) That would tend to suggest a large fleet of ships for bombardment purposes (and quite probably in a fairly short period of time.)

There's always the possibility of "to break through the fleet" but frnakly the Orks manage to overwhelm them later on so I doubt the whole Crimson Fist fleet would have been able to wipe them out and then slag the planet.

So in any case, we don't know the manner, and we can only guess at timeframe (and approximately sat size of elet) of the bombardment (Exterminatus) but the Crimson Fist fleet packs planet-slagging/killing firepower (well into the petaton range) in some fashion.



Page 110-111
"No communication from the Naval auspex posts at Dagoth, Cantatis III, Heliod or Gamma Precidio, either. Our entire eastern border has gone dark. Even factoring in unpredictable warp currents, I would give us no more than ten days to prepare. Depending on which systems are the next to fall, it could be as little as six.”
6-10 days for Orks to arrive near to Rynn's World.

Also note mention of a naval auspex post.. I wonder what sort of range they actually expect such to have?

10-20 LY range.. 300-600c velocity for Orks.

Page 111
“Since the enemy has already expressed his plans to come to us, the warp will work to our advantage. The ork ships will have to translate back into real space relatively far from any significant gravity wells, just as our own ships must. That factor alone should give us between forty and fifty-five hours during which we can tag, track and analyse the ork fleet and configure our own high orbital response accordingly.
40-55 hours to reach in system from warp emergence point. Assuming 2 AU emergence point (same as the freighter before) we're talking 4-6 gees of sustained acceleration, and at op velocity of 1.4%c. At closer to 2 billion km, we're talking 30-45 gee accelerations and 10% of c.

Page 112
Eight per cent of the Rynnite populace lived in New Rynn City and the surrounding environs—over sixteen million people. The second largest city on the planet was home to less than three million. Most of those who lived outside the cities were indentured workers serving in the tens of thousands of agri-communes that covered the arable land on three continents.
Rynn's world has ~200 million people.

Page 113
“Most of the fleet is within a few days’ warp travel. In a way, my lord, we are fortunate that this crisis comes so soon after the Day of Foundation. Our ships have
not had time to disperse all that widely. Most can be called back in time.”
If they're in a nother system w e're probably tlaking at least 1200-1800c

Page 119
“The process of mind-ripping is painful. I shall not lie to you, my brother. But it will be mercifully short."
...
“Kennon’s innate skills may still be utilised. They need not be lost. As a gun-servitor, he will serve the Chapter for a thousand years, and, on his decommissioning...
Astartes scout converted into gun-servitor. What's interesting is that a.) his skills apparently translate over to the servitor (good accuracy, in this case.) despite being mindwiped. Servitors can last for a thousand years (at least in this case, which may be due to the origins of the body). Lastly, I wonder if using a scout's body as servitor stock (with the implants) confers greater abilities over a regular body converted to servitor.

Page 125
The spaceport often played host to far bigger, noisier craft than Thunderhawks. Aside from its many ground-level airstrips, the gargantuan structure boasted three vast, thick cylindrical towers, each topped with circular landing plates supported by anti-grav suspension. They could provide berths for even the largest trans-atmospheric craft.
Antigrav support for landing craft.

Page 127
"...commanding officer of the Rynnland Second Garrisoning Regiment, Soroccan Defensive Operations Group..."
...
Cantrell, who, at one hundred and seventy-eight centimetres, came up only as high as the embossed eagle on the Astartes captain’s chest
Height of Rynn's worlder compared to Alvez. Also Rynn's world has at least several Garrison regiments.

Page 129
..but excesses of worship, love and attention soon became a hindrance, with hourly offerings of luxury foodstuffs, expensive silks, religious trinkets, alcohol, narcotics, even women—none of which an Astartes had any use for in the slightest.
Things an Astartes has no interest in :d

Page 140
So it was with the Imperial Guard, the Navy, the clandestine but powerful forces of the Holy Inquisition. Even the Ecclesiarchy had its fighters. Their blood was the coin by which the realm survived. War on the fringes kept the core safe.
...
...people needed heroes to believe in more than ever.
...
They were the closest living link to the Divine Emperor that these people would see in their lifetimes.
...
If the Astartes were real, then the Emperor was, too. And if the Emperor was real, humanity could still dare to hope for its eventual salvation...
..
Holier men than Huron Grimm called it faith.
A rather interesting idea, and a rather non-grimdark one. I rather like Huron Grimm for this, and it reminds me of the ADB Crimson Fist short story really (as opposed to Ben Counter's Captain Reinez...)

It also suggests that the fringes of the Imperium - the "frontier" sees far more conflict than the interior (the core.. like Segmentum solar)

Page 141
Others waved frantically from the shoulders of their fathers, desperate to be acknowledged by the armoured giants they recognised from their
storybooks and history lessons.
Children seeing space marines.

Page 142
Two hundred million people on this world. Two hundred million lives in the balance. He’d seen what the orks did to the helpless.
...
In the image, he saw the girl looking at him again, but her blue eyes were lifeless. Her blonde hair burned as he watched. He saw her flesh crisping and realised she had been spitted. She was being cooked over an open fire.
Another reason to like Grimm. he's another of those Space marines who cares about the people he protects. He's not just the grim avenging angel of death badass kill machine, he takes his duties as protector and defender seriously. It's mentioned earlier that he belives this is what Space Marines were made for - they were defenders of the people.. the Imperium is made up of the common citizens.

Again as well the implication Orks will consume human flesh.

Page 147
Even with ten times more ships available to the Chapter, the gaps in the defence grid would still measure many thousands of kilometres across.
the implied gaps in space are at least thousands if not tens of thousands of km (thousands if they had 10x more ships than they do, which suggests the gaps would be 10x greater now.

Page 148
The orks must not gain any solid foothold here. Their spores, if left unchecked, will spread on the winds and blight our world for decades to come.
Ork spore reproduction. Fists intend to wipe them out immediately on landing to prevent this.

Page 149
High above the planet’s surface, he knew, the Chapter’s ships, along with the System Defence Fleet—an armada of warp-incapable battleships under the auspices of the Imperial Navy—would be slowly shifting into place, forming a battle-line that measured hundreds of thousands of kilometres.
hundreds of thousands of km "battle line" composed of Chapter ships and System defence forces. Earlier they mentioend being "thousands" of km apart.. if we assume 10K km separation and a 500,000 km "battle line" we're talkin some 50 starships. I'd guess its a safe bet for at least dozens of system defence ships.

Also the Navy is creweing system defence ships.. they man all space assets in some systems it seems, from sublight to warp capable.

Page 150
Across the Imperium, the vast Munitorum propaganda machine was relentless in presenting the orks as inferior, dull-witted, bestial foes with only the most rudimentary understanding of what it took to win a protracted war. The filthy xenos were driven by instinct, their tiny brains incapable of tactical analysis and response.

For the most part, the propaganda was close to the truth. The average ork got by on muscle, resilience and raw savagery—little else. But Snagrod was clearly anything but average. He had already proved that. Centuries of fighting the greenskins had taught Kantor not to be hasty in underestimating those that climbed to the rank of warlord. The forty-first millennium had seen increasingly disturbing proof that, out there among the millions of disparate ork tribes, there were increasing numbers of individuals that represented a threat unlike anything the Imperium had faced since the dark days of the Heresy.
Imperial propoganda constantly under-rating the Ork threat, while practical knowledge (amongst the troops) teaches otherwise. Indeed Kantor respects them as an enemy, and their danger.

Also millions of Ork tribes.

Page 152-153
“The orks, Selig. The Waaagh! It’s here. They’re already in-system!”

Torres shook his head. “Impossible, lord. They can’t be. How far out are they? Forty hours? Fifty?”

“That’s the worst of it,” said Kantor through gritted teeth. “Three.”

“Three?” gasped Torres. “That would mean…”
...
“It’s insane. Suicidal. Their entire force just burst from the warp only a hundred and fifty thousand kilometres from the planet. Our ships are already turning to engage."
...

No Imperial fleet would exit this close to a major gravity well. It would tear half the ships apart.

Dare he hope that the same might be happening to Snagrod’s ships even now? It was impossible to believe they would come through such a reckless jump unharmed.

Warp exits were impossible to stabilise this close to a star.
The Orks pull a crazy strategy and emerge 150,000 km from the planet. This is flat out stated as impossible (well suicidal) because of the unacceptable loss ratio it would inflict on an Imperial captain, which echoes Savage Scars and 2.3 million km being insanely close and only possible due to high end Inquisitor vessels. Orks, however build their vessels from asteroids and scrap and gneerally dont care about losses so this works fine.

Also gravitational fields/wells can disrupt warp portals

150K km is also 3 hours from the planet.. which is a velocity of about... 14 km/s :P

Page 157
He knew, for instance, that the walls of the Silver Citadel, within which lay the Cassar, the governor’s palace, and the parliament buildings, employed void-shields like those of Arx Tyrannus. And Arx Tyrannus could never fall. It was unassailable.
Civilian cities have void shielding.. or at least some buildings/forts there do.

Page 168
Ranparre felt the artificial gravity flicker for the briefest instant, and knew from long experience that his battle-barge, The Sabre of Scaurus, must have been hit amidships, close to where the critical systems were located. The ship’s shielding was heaviest there, but it couldn’t take impacts like that for long. The void shields would give out soon.

The Astartes and Imperial Naval ships were outnumbered a hundred to one, and more of the ugly, scrappy ork vessels were bleeding into the system every minute the battle raged on.
A rather lopsided odds ration.. there are thousands of Ork ships (tens of thousands?) which again suggests dozens of defensive ships. And yet they're standing up pretty well against the Orks.

Also void shield pwoer is not uniform across a starship.. it can be stronger in certain areas.

Page 168
..a number of neatly severed prows had tumbled past him..
...
Some of them would impact on the planet with the all the explosive power of a long-range, high-yield missile. There was nothing Ranparre and his crews could do about that. Blasting those wrecks to pieces would only turn one deadly mass into many. Besides, every last bit of offensive firepower at their command was needed to fight off the greater threat of the manned alien vessels that were trying to fight their way through.
impact of destroyed ships. Assuming a 11 km/s impact velocity and a 2 million ton ship... we're talking double digit megatons

Page 169
“I have your forward firing solution, my lord. Permission to fire forward lances?”
...
The central display screens in front of him crackled with blinding white energy as the massive weapons loosed their fury. Thick spears of light burned across ten thousand kilometres. A dozen small ork fighters and support craft caught between the two closing flagships were obliterated, simply wiped from existence.
Forward lance batteries fire across 10,000 km range.

Page 170
“Does my lord wish to issue a call for further support?” asked one of the commsoperators.

“The battle-barge Tigurius is only twenty thousand kilometres away. Strike cruisers Hewson and Maqueda are six and nine thousand kilometres away
respectively.”

...
The planetary blockade was fracturing in countless places as the ork vessels ploughed in amongst the Imperial ships on a hundred different assault vectors at once.
Separation of other ships, which may provide bombardment aid. and again the degree of outnumbered-ness.

Page 171
Ranparre turned his attention to the Hewson and saw that she, at least, was doing better. She rolled to her right and launched a blistering broadside just as a monstrous ork craft attempted to pass by overhead. The enemy’s iron belly was punctured in a hundred places, shedding thick pieces of bulkhead into space.
Impiles a 100-gun broadside for a strike cruiser.

Page 172
“Prow batteries at maximum charge in eighty-three seconds, my lord,”
time needed to charge lances to max power.

Page 183
“Can you pinpoint him?” asked Kantor. “If we could guide the remainder of the fleet in on him before he makes planetfall—”

Mendoza shook his shaved head. “The warp is in turmoil all around us, torn open so close and in so many places. It will take days, perhaps even weeks before we can read its flows and eddies again with any accuracy. I can sense Snagrod’s foul aura out there among all the psychic death screams, but that is all.”
It's possible to detect psychically (and direct psychically) ships and firepower to specific threats, but if the warp is disturbed, it won't do much good.

Page 185
"Order The Crusader to reposition. She is to make for Segmentum Headquarters and solicit aid. I will not let pride to be our undoing.”
..
“She cannot possibly jump this close to a gravity well, my lord,”
...
“Then commit all remaining ships to getting her through. She will have to risk the jump. Many of Snagrod’s ships survived it. She can, too."
Kar duniash is some 40-50 thousand LY away from Rynn's World, according to the 5th edition maps. The distacne that needs to be covered. I do wonder why they have to rush to Segmentum headquarters for aid. Can not nearby sector battlefleets lend aid? Perhaps Tyranid forces in or around the region have drawn such forces off, leaving no reserves available.

Also the Crusader can and does manage to jump out somet 150,000 km away from the planet. It's risky, but possible.

Page 192
None struck the fortress-monastery. Those that should have done exploded harmlessly a half a kilometre above Kantor’s head, unable to penetrate the powerful
void-shield defence system that protected Arx Tyrannus.

Every explosive impact on the shimmering shields caused the landscape below to flicker bright as day.

With the void-shields at full power, the air became close and clammy, almost oppressive, and there was a constant loud hum in the air, discernible in the spaces
between the thunder of the relentless barrage.
...
The moment the bombardment ended, the void shields would be lowered to allow return fire.
Void shields protecting the fortress monastery. They cannot fire missiles or energy fire outside the shields.

Page 197
From the top of a tower sixty metres to Kantor’s right, a great cloud of steam billowed up into the air. A circular hatch in the tower roof, one metre thick and five metres across, hinged open with a hydraulic hiss.
...
...hatches rising to reveal the blunted noses of surface-to-orbit ballistic missiles, each equipped with the most devastating conventional warheads available.
...
The deafening roar of plasma-jet rockets intensified in pitch, and the nose of the missile nearest to Kantor slowly rose into view. Its acceleration seemed painfully slow at first. It wrestled with gravity, fighting to heave its bulk into the air. More and more of the missile emerged from the silo, and its speed continued to increase. Gravity was losing. The missile burst clear of the silo...
Surface to space missiles. they must be at leats 5 m in diameter.. maybe 20-30 m long. Too small to be torpedoes if so. and they don't accelerate verey fast either.

Page 207
One of the missiles from the other side of the fortress monastery had suddenly changed vector.
..
The missile corkscrewed in the air above the Arx Tyrannus for a brief moment.

Time seemed to slow down for Cortez as he watched, helpless to do anything. Then the missile plunged deep into the mountainside, its powerful thrusters forcing that
armour-piercing nose-cone through metre after metre of rock. The mountain shook.
...
When the missile reached a depth of two-hundred metres beneath the rock on which Arx Tyrannus stood, it detonated, igniting the Chapter’s ancient underground munitions stores one after another.
The munitions sotres, triggered by the missile, blow up at least part of the mountain and the fortress monastery. Hard to calc since we dont quite know the nature of the warhead (omnidirectional, or shaped charge.) nor exactly what comprised the munitions stored belowground (or in what quantities even.)

Page 213
The weapon was large, much larger than a standard bolter, and fitted with a heavy box magazine. They made a nasty mess of organic targets and its oversized bolts could rip through the side of a tank if they had to.
Storm bolter penetration. Equalls the "eight inch of plasteel" penetration mentioned long ago in an earlier source.

Page 218
It was trying to take Dorn’s Arrow, but the relic storm-bolter was fixed tight to the back of Kantor’s left gauntlet
Kantor's primary weapon. It fires via MIU link or something. he shoots it by thinking.

Page 218
His suit registered elevated background radiation and several weaknesses in his cooling systems...
Radiation sensors in power armor. Apparently the warhead detonation has some lingering radiation side effects. Either that or something in the munitions stockpile did.

Page 219
Even through the thick veils, he could see that the destruction of his beloved home was almost total. He stood on the far side of the western chasm, close to its edge, and beheld a scene his mind desperately wished to deny. Something had wiped Arx Tyrannus from the face of the planet. Whatever had done so had presumably thrown him clear across the chasm and onto the mountain’s western slope.
...
Kantor saw that the walls, the gates, the bastions, tower and keeps, all were no more. Arx Tyrannus had been reduced to jagged spurs of steel and stone, jutting from the rubble like so many broken teeth. Here and there, he spotted familiar things in unfamiliar states, the remains of glorious works reduced to wreckage. He saw a great stone block standing tall among its shattered neighbours, its surface embossed with a pattern of carved skulls. It had been part of the towering north-western archway. Now it was part of nothing. To the right of it, he saw a figure in black marble, slumped awkwardly amid tumbled iron beams, its hands and head shorn off.
Remains of the Fortress Monastery.

Page 221
Kantor fired again, targeting centre mass, catching the ork on the right twice in the torso. The rounds detonated and split the creature’s body apart.
Dorn's Arrow bolter.

Pag e221
The instant it passed, he stepped forward, activating the energy field of the power fist on his right hand, and launched a lethal uppercut that cored the xenos beast like an apple.

Its hollowed form collapsed to the rocky ground, steam rising from the gaping cavity in its chest.
Power fist on ork. It isnt exactly explosive, but roughly comparable to grenade-like damage.

Page 224
“One of our own missiles, Pedro. By the blasted bones of the Scythians, it was one of our own damned missiles! Rhava and I saw it just before it hit. It hammered straight into the mountainside.”
...
“A ship-killer couldn’t have wreaked so much devastation on its own,” Cortez offered. “It must have detonated our underground munitions stores. A massive chain reaction is the only thing that would explain such a… catastrophe.”
Implications about the effects of the shipkiller missile. Again bearing in mind the qualifiers I noted before. For that matter the Index Astartes entry for the Crimson fists noed other details (like safey measures such as shields and stasis fields going on as I recall.)


Page 225
It was a rosarius, a protective amulet given to all Chaplains on full acceptance into the Sacratium. In these times, its ancient technology was only barely understood.
Rosarius.

Page 228
Tomasi had been ministering to the souls of his fellow Crimson Fists since long before either Kantor or Cortez were even born—almost five hundred years of unswerving loyalty and honour.
The Chaplain had been alive for (at least) 5 centuries.
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Part 2

Page 229
"New Rynn City is over a thousand kilometres away...""
Distance from Ark Tyrannus to New Rynn City.

Page 231
He struggled with himself, the effort plain on his scarred face. He was torn between doing as his master ordered and doing what his heart demanded. As Kantor watched him, he saw the psycho-conditioning win through.
Interesting look at Crimson Fists 'psycho-conditioning' It almose seems like a compulsion of some kind rather than simply overwriting the existing personality.

Page 237
“The ork psykers,” said Deguerro. “They have been launching psychic assaults since they landed. Nothing we couldn’t handle, though there are a great many ofthem with the Waaagh. Combined, their power is such that we cannot broadcast messages through the warp. Not while they are here in such force. Their unfocused thoughts create a choking psychic fog."
...
"They are among the hordes on every side, enough of them to buffer us against the full blast of the psychic death-scream. You see, like energy in all its forms, psychic energy dissipates over distance, and much faster where it meets resistance. The ork shamans struggled to survive the blast. Had they not, we may have lost every last Librarian in this city."
Ork psyker numbers can blot out astrotelepathy, We also learn that psychic energy will 'dissipate' with distance. What mechanism it is - absorption/scattering by the surrounding matter, something like inverse square, or something different I don't know.

Page 240
The Ceres Protocol hadn’t been employed since it had first been put to parchment all those centuries ago in the years after the blasted Scythian race had reduced the Chapter to a handful of squads. Its strictures were clear: no Crimson Fist was permitted to die in battle for any other cause than the saving of his battle-brothers. The strength of the Chapter was everything. That meant no battle-brothers lost for the sake of protecting humans or materiel of any kind.
The Ceres Protocol.

Page 243
Did Captain Alvez truly think so little of the people’s love and respect? Sooner or later, Grimm believed, these very people would be called on to fight, to give their lives in a battle none of them had ever trained a single day for. They would die to hold back the foe just a little longer. Would they not fight that much harder inspired by their Astartes betters, rather than terrified by them?
Grimm again exemplifies the 'defender/symbol' aspect of Astartes rtaher than the asshole quality.

page 244
He was glad he would never know such weakness himself. It was a cruelty that time inflicted on most living things, but, buried somewhere in the mysteries of the Astartes gene-seed was the secret to beating it. No Space Marine would ever wither away like that.
Space Marines do not weaken with age.


Page 245
He could not accept the gift personally. On acceptance into the Chapter, the Astartes of the Crimson Fists swore an unbreakable vow of non-possession. It was considered weak and unworthy to covet or collect material objects. One’s armour, one’s weapons, even the trophies one gathered from the battlefield—all of these and more belonged, not to the individual, but to the Chapter.

The Chapter, then, could accept her simple gift.
Space Marine rules regarding possessions. In this context it is rather clever, again emphasizing Grimm's atttiudes differing form Alvez. It's one of those things that weaves through this whole book really, not unlike the "One Hate" Short story by ADB, and it has much the same impact.

Page 253
From a pylon under his right wing, white fire flashed and raced off, painting an arc of smoke that curved in towards his still-distant target.

Two second later, a little ball of fire bloomed in the distance. Black trails fell from it towards the ground.
Flight time of Air to Air missile. We dont know exact ranges or missile velocities, but assuming the missile is travelling twice as fast as the plane(lets say 300-600 m/s for the plane) and the Orks have a Similar velocity. we might get an effective range between 2.4 and 4.8 km depending on exact parameters. Call it 3-5 km, at least. This may or may not be upper limit on missile range, depending on parameters, but it's worth noting that Sidewinders IRL can get out to tens of km easily. Why the ranges are so low here is up for debate, although there's lots of parallels (we dont know missile velocity for one, and we don't know weather conditions/targeting parameters.. it could vary quite a bit.)

Page 254
It was the AF-9 Airstrike missile that had done most of the real work. He had one left, slung under his left wing, and he hoped to gain another kill with it before the skirmish was over. The orks hadn’t opened fire yet, so it looked like they didn’t have missiles with the kind of range the Airstrikes had. But there were still eight of them left according to his forward auspex. Even if he and the rest of Falcon squad made a kill with every missile at their disposal, there would still be three ork fighters which they would have to eliminate in gun range, and that was another kind of combat altogether.

Up ahead, the ork fighters were banking to face him now. The numbers on his auspex’s rangefinder display were dropping fast, far too fast for comfort.
The Lightnings are packing Air to air missiles. It can apparently only carry two. Interesting that the Lightning pilot anticipates Orks carrying missiles as well (although shorter ranged than the imperium missiles.) both are apparently greater than "gun range" (which depending on source could be 1-2 km for an imperial ship) I'd gather Imperial missiles are a good 2-3x range of their guns (autocannon at least. Lascannon may be under other constraints.)

Page 255
Keanos hit the button on his stick and felt the last Airstrike drop away from below his left wing. The white trail curved off ahead, and, a second later, a churning ball of red fire and black smoke started dropping from the sky.
...
With his main ordnance spent, he switched his targeting systems over to manual.

Looking at his display, he saw that both his autocannon and lascannon were primed and ready, ammo counters at max. Up ahead, the rest of the ork fighters were almost in gun-range.
Gun rnage is probably going to be at least 500-1000 m depending on source (and how generous you are) and the missile was fired from shortly outside that distance.. it would imply at least a 500-1000 m/s missile velocity for the Airstrke, though I'd imagine its not going to be really hypervelocity (eg less than 2-3 km/s.. we're talking a matte rof seconds between firing the last missile and witching to guns.)

Page 258
"There are orks are holed up inside. We estimate their number to be between sixty and eighty. Others are using the wreckage of their craft as cover. Still more are moving through the streets, killing all they find."
...
"They have reported signs of las and plasma analogues, and a number of xenos weapon types."
Ork drop ships must carry alot of Orks (in excess of a hundred or more) and these Orks are particuarily energy-weapon heavy.

Page 267
"The deep-space relay station strikes, the concentrated assaults on our surface communications arrays, the immediate targeting of military installations. This one isn’t waging war like an ork. He is fighting like the Imperium. This Snagrod has learned from us.”
Kantor thinks the Orks are fighting like humans.

Page 276
Inside the manufactorum, the orks retaliated at once, pouring fire down on the Space Marines from raised gantries of metal mesh, or from behind the conveyors of the huge automated assembly lines..
Some sort of 'automated' ammo manufacturing facility or refinery of some kind, I think.

Page 277
His finger squeezed the trigger of his ancient gun, and the largest of the three orks reeled backwards, struck directly in the forehead before it could take its opening swing. The bolt detonated, blowing brain and skull outwards in all directions...
Storm bolter round blows Ork skull apart.

Page 278
Sergeant Gualan had gunned the creature down, firing into its back at point-blank range. Its chest cavity lay open to the air, blown out by a triple burst of explosive bolt rounds.
3 round burst blows open Ork chest.. but its still mostly intact.

Page 283
each of Kantor’s survivors carried an organ called the neuroglottis, or The Devourer, grown from the gene-seed of their fellow Astartes and implanted during the painful process that forever physically separated them from their fellow men. The primary function of the neuroglottis was to allow instant analysis of a substance by taste. Toxins could be easily detected. Organic compounds could be tested for nutritional content. And a single scent molecule on a breeze could give away a hidden foe or tell the direction in which it
had travelled.


Neuroglottis abilities.

Page 285
Why didn’t they take the meat, he wondered? If there was one thing orks were not, it was wasteful. Everything was scavenged.
...
“They wouldn’t stop to strip the carcasses. They must have ridden through here slaughtering everything in sight, leaving the bodies for a follow up party to process.”
Orks are not wasteful. At least, by Crimson Fist knowledge. Maybe some are? It does kinda make sense in a way, they're not complicated enough to be wasteful of certian things.

Page 286
Cortez detected other scents, too. One was definitely promethium. Liquid fuel. He could tell it wasn’t from a local source. There was more carbon that the refined fuels the Imperium used.
Promethium variation. again its a hydrocarbon of some kind. (EG space oil)

Page 288
It was hard to stay low in full battle-plate, almost as hard as it was to stay quiet. Even in a well oiled and treated suit of armour, ceramite plates often rasped or clanged against each other. There was the constant low buzz of the atomic powersupply, too.
Power armour running on 'atomic' power sources, rather than fusion or batteries. Of course 'atomic' could also mean fusion depending on context.

Also the lack of stealth qualities in power armor

Page 288
Right now, viewed through the Astartes’ helmet visors, they were all varying shades of muddy green.
Astartes night vision mode.

Page 289
There were thirty of them, thick-set and green, none weighing less than two hundred kilogrammes.
Mass of an Ork. About the same as IA4 lists Gaunts to be.

Page 295
Cortez fired a single shot.

It caught the ork boss in the throat and exploded, popping his helmeted head clean off his shoulders with a spray of blood so thick it was almost black.
...
The headless body of the boss fell to the ground like a dead tree.
More bolt round head popping. Not quite head exploding, more like neck or so, but close enough.

Page 296
The other Crimson Fists went among the bodies, attending to the grisly business of ensuring that none of their fallen foes were merely wounded. The quickest way to guarantee the xenos wouldn’t rise to fight again was to crush their skulls under an armoured boot, but ork skulls were incredibly dense. Even for an Astartes in full plate, it often took a number of impacts to properly shatter the thick bone and pulp the pinkish grey tissue beneath.
Ork skull and head durability. It's not exactly easy to calc (except that Marines are dozens of times stronger than a person) so one imagines that it indicates Ork skulls would be many times more resistant to shattering or pulverizing (say by a bullet) than human skulls are. Given size and toughness this isnt a surprise.

This of course means the amount of damage from any weapon needs to be correspondingly greater than against a human target (at least by the same means. slicing the head apart could still be easier than vaporizing for example.)

Page 299
It was standard practice to burn greenskin bodies after combat, and it had to be done quickly. Orks multiplied by shedding spores. Within hours, the air would be filled with them, tiny cellular capsules dispersing on the breeze. Most would not find suitable ground, but a percentage would land in dark, damp places and take root. Fungal protrusions would sprout from the ground, and below, a new life, born to hack a bloody path across the galaxy, would begin to take form.
Burning Ork bodies to prevent spore production. It implies that its not an immediate thing (although the duration has differed from source to source).

Page 301
In their eyes, the universe had changed forever. No night would ever again bring peaceful, restful sleep. Vision of green horrors would torment every last one of them until the day they died. The Imperial records spoke for themselves. Many who encountered alien races went mad, no longer able to believe there was any safe place in a galaxy that tolerated such abominations. Others committed suicide rather than face the grim truth.
Indicatoin that it is at least somewhat possible to exist in the 40K galaxy for periods of time without being caught up in war, which makes sense for reasons I've outlined above. More than that, the notion that nowhere is truly safe, that war or destruction or terror could strike anywhere, anytime.. evne the most peaceful or idyllic of circumstances, is a rather potent theme, and emphasizes how a compare/contrast can work.

As an aside, we're also shown a case where Kantor must make a choice between the selfish and pragmatic to put his Chapter above his duties to the Rynn's World populace - it's not just a matter of "I'm a Space Marine fuck everyone else", it actually is a conflict for him with consequneces for him personally. I rather like that. What's more, his choices still have nasty consequences even if they are made with the best intentions - s aving the Rynnites he finds slows him down, and it means he takes longe rto reach Alves and Grimm.. so Alvez has longer to be a bastard thinking Kantor is gone.

Page 315
"I’ve heard that a subset of the greenskin horde utilise night-vision equipment and stealth tactics, but they are a tiny minority."
The Ork commanndos.

Page 322
Unburdened and unchallenged, we might have made the capital within three, maybe four, days.
3-4 days to cover 1000 km for Space marines. 10-14 kph.. about 3-4 m/s.. thats not neccesarilly running speed or sprinting.. it could be walking.

Page 324
Some had been hacked up to fuel the fires that dotted the clearing. It was around these fires that knots of big, powerful orks sat gorging themselves on hunks of roasted meat.
Orks eating some sort of herd animal meat.

Page 326
It was impossible to see anything but the bright muzzle flashes of the ork guns as they fired madly at nothing.

“Switch to thermal sight,” said Kantor over the link, simultaneously sending the thought along the neuro-connectors that linked his brain to the systems of his armour.
Infrared.

Page 327
The other Fists carried long combat blades with monomolecular edges and cruel serrations.
Marine mono knives.

Page 328
... energy field of his power fist crack like a bolt of lightning. The blow caught the ork in the sternum and blew the entire contents of its torso out a massive exit wound in its back.
...
. Cored like an apple, the suddenly limp creature fell away from its killer...
Power field vs Ork. Puts a (large) fist sized hole through torso of Ork... blows it through, rather.

Page 345
Before the arrival of the alien horde, it had been an enclosed market, a place where the burgeoning Rynnite middle-classes came to spend their time and spare centims.
I'm actually a bit surprised a middle class of any kind exists somewhere in 40K. Usually they make it soudn more like the endpoint of Space 'Merica = the ludicrously rich, and the impoverished or nearly-impoverished underclass.

Page 350
“We are moving back with the Twelfth Regiment."
At least 12 Regiments of Rynnsguard on planet.

Page 351
Those guns swung towards Alvez now, and, with a stutter of thunder, launched a volley of explosive shells his way.

Had Alvez not been wearing Terminator armour, the proximity of the detonating shells would have blasted him apart, but it would take nothing less than a direct hit to fell him.
durability of Terminator armour against ork cannon.

Page 351
The track was military issue, a big, tough six-wheel drive affair capable of handling three tonnes of cargo. The back was unshielded. Alvez looked at it dubiously Grimm jumped up into the rear, and the suspension compressed with a groan. Alvez followed quickly, and the driver put the track in gear.
The military truck is interesting (a form of motorised transport!) but the fact that a Marine in Terminator armour and power armour is less than 3 tonnes, but probably not a whole lot, given the strain it puts on the suspension (maybe 500 kg for Huron and 1000 kg or so for Alvez?)

Page 352
The copters swung out of the sky, guns blazing, the insane greenskin pilots laughing with delight. Stubber-fire stitched the back of the truck and rattled off the armour of the two Space Marines.
Copter Ork stubber fire fials to penetrate Grimm or Alvez' armour

Page 352
A second later, when the pilot’s torso blew outwards, the shells inside him detonating,...
Storm bolter round bursts.

Page 362
...Cortez’s power fist flashed forward in an arcing blur. It was a body shot, a thunderous strike to the monster’s exposed side, and the crack of lethal energies ionised the air, giving it a sharp metallic smell. The ork howled and crumpled to its knees, a great spherical section of its torso utterly destroyed.
...
One did not leave a wounded ork breathing on the battlefield. These were hardy creatures, far hardier than any living thing had a right to be. Wounds that would have killed even a Space Marine might only cripple an ork until its incredibly resilient algae-infused system could put it back together. He had seen it happen before.

The moment the creature’s head struck the dirt, Cortez raised his booted foot and hammered it down on the beast’s ugly head. Once, twice, three times. At first, the skull resisted the massive impact of the blows, but, by the third stomp, it gave way, the bone shattering at last, the brain turning to a jelly-like smear.
Cortez taking down an Ork via power fist.. the insane thing is how durable the ork is (surviving having part of his chest blown out.) again smashing the head is the key to killing it, but the head resists multiple foot blows from a power-armoured Space Marine. Which shows you just how much punishment it must take to blow an Ork's skull apart

Page 363
Its blade was long and keen, sharpened to the monomolecular level, treated with a coating of synthetic diamond, as were the knives of all the Crimson Fists.
Apparently the blades aren't only magically sharp but they have a super diamond coating to help resist wear and tear. Whether this is what keeps them sharp or what.. no idea.

Page 364
Again, Cortez’s power fist flashed out. There was a sharp electrical crack, and the creature’s head vanished in a red mist.
...
.on the side of its head with a backhand blow. It, too, collapsed headless to the soil,..
power fist again.. blowing apart ork heads.

Page 368
Still, the gifted brothers of the Librarius had, since the dawn of the Chapter’s existence, always maintained that the Emperor was everpresent somehow, a shining psychic light, a beacon of hope that did indeed seem strengthened by the devotion of all those who laboured in His name.
Librarians can see the Astronomican.

Page 376
Documentation on the effects of weather patterns on the greenskin race was practically nonexistent. If he lived through this, he would commission such a study by the Adeptus Mechanicus’ biologis arm. Such science was their exclusive domain, and forces throughout the Imperium would surely benefit by it.
Apparently the AdMech will conduct (for a price?) research on specifically requested fields of study, at least from some sources (A Space Marine Chapter Master is likely one with such power, as is any Peer of the Imperium.)

Also, THE HERETICAL SCIENCE and research!

Page 380-381
Their elimination of Imperial communications at the very earliest had been a masterstroke, a strategy clearly learned over their countless clashes with the Emperor’s forces. The storm-trooper units of the Imperial Guard were regularly deployed early in war to achieve exactly such an objective. Astartes strike forces executed such operations as a matter of course. Someone should have realised that, sooner or later, the orks would learn from the tactics of their enemies. Such knowledge may have taken a long time to permeate the greenskins’ limited minds, but it had finally dawned on them, and here were the results.
Imperial vs Ork tactics.

Page 381
The barricades—mostly Aegis prefab shield-walls..
Prefab shield walls employed as barricades.

Page 383
“Looted Leman Russ. The turrets have been modified. I can’t begin to guess at their range or power now, but if they get within range of our lascannon and missile launchers, we will render them into scrap."
The cannons seem to be (slightly) outranged by lascannon. no specific ranges are given in the source.

Page 385
The shell landed a hundred metres short, packed with so much explosive that it blew a crater in the rockcrete road two metres deep.
Shell from a looted tank. 2 meters deep, at least 4 m diameter. Assumign cratering granite, we're talking 10-12 kg of TNT at least from a battle cannon shell. Alot depends on if its a transient or final crater (2.5-3 m deep crater could be 20 or 40 kg) Bear in mind that while the cannon probably don't change diameter whilst looted, they could pack it full of more explosive. That ought to be accurate within an OoM though.

PAge 387
Even as Cortez registered all this, a bright burst of plasma streaked down from the top of Jadeberry Hill and turned a great knot of orks to so much bubbling black flesh.
Plasma cannons. Assuming flesh reduced to boiling point... triple digit MJ perhaps? depends alot on numbers of Orks .

Page 391
Dimly, Cortez registered their aid. The orks on either side of him fell with great melon-sized wounds that exploded in their flesh.
Bolter wounds.

Page 396
Bolter-fire chased them and a score more went down with wounds in their backs the size of grapefruit.
Wound sizes from bolter rounds.

Page 409
“Before such theories were labelled heresy by the Ecclesiarchy and made punishable by death, some men once believed in parallel universes, an infinity of them, physical places like our own universe where all possibilities were played out.
...
Writings from the Ramparts: A Memoir Colonel (ret.) Portius Cantrell (948.M41)
Interesting both for the published memoirs and for the fact that for some reason the Ecclesiarchy finds a parallel universe heresy.

Page 415-416
The sight of the greenskins’ massive new fume stacks and construction blocks had an immediate demoralising effect. Suicides increased among Rynnite civilians and soldiers alike, despite the warnings and threats of the commissars. Dare to insult the Emperor by killing yourself, the black-dad zealots warned everyone, and those you hold dearest will suffer a longer, more painful death as punishment.

At first, this merely prompted hopeless men to slaughter their own families with merciful swiftness before turning their weapons on themselves.
Ah, you have to love commissars. Apparnetly the PdF have their own commisar analogues in this case. Or maybe the Rynnsguard are IG types. Who knows. I can't quite figure out if the 'more painful death' is the commisars threatening to torture the familes of men who try to kill themselves, or a warning that they'll die at the Orks hands if they don't fight. It could go either way.

Suicide I should note has happened a fair bit in this novel amongst the troops and during the entire siege. Part of it is noone is used to war and the horrors it brings (including the military) but it should also be noted thta the sheer numbers of orks can pyschically generate fear and other demoralizing emotions in their enemies (I dont think they do it intentionally, its just a psychic battle of wills.) which no doubt adds to it.

Page 417-418
Despite all the measures to combat it, the death toll among the Rynnsguard, and the lack of any sign whatsoever that aid was coming, continued to eat away at the defenders’ morale. Individual Crimson Fists began patrolling sections of the wall on which they had, so far, not been seen. This was done at the suggestion of a young Astartes Chaplain called Argo, and it worked. The sight of the glorious armoured giants, radiant and splendid despite all they had endured, still exerted a powerful effect on the ordinary people. The Astartes inspired faith and dedication wherever they walked. They spoke encouragement to the troopers, and fought shoulder-toshoulder with them. The number of suicides dropped. The walls held.
This underscores one way in which Astartes can be useful in a combined-arms force far out of proportion to their numbers or their 'fast stirke' abilities - they are always potent psychological symbols of the power and strength of the imperium (one of the themes of the book, and something you may recall Huron Grimm taking note of himself, and why this is.)


Page 420
He told them of The Crusader and of her escape the previous year. Warp travel was unpredictable, but help would come, he assured them. The Crusader would not fail.
...
For almost eighteen months, the defenders of New Rynn City had endured everything Snagrod’s foul orks had thrown at them.
Timeframe of the siege, and the rough time since the Crusader left on its mission.


Page 427
“We detected the psychic bow waves of over two thousand ships.”

“Two thousand?” echoed Kantor. “And you are certain these are Imperial ships?”
...
The ships are indeed human, and, in the minutes before you arrived, we received confirmation that they are loyalists. The Crusader is among them."
The Crusader arrives, with over 2000 ships. This means it made a round trip from here to Kar Duniash (80-100 thousand LY) in a little over eighteen months. his is between 53,000-66,000c at a bare minimum. In reality that is probably a drastic underestimate considering a.) It assumes a perfectly straight line course and ideal warp conditions. b.) it fails to account for any time spent outside of the warp (eg having to make multiple hops to find out time and location, the time spent at Kar Duniash delivering the warning and mobilizing the response force, which is going to take a fair bit of time all on its own, especially of such great size and over such long ditance.) c.) that the fleet making the return trip is over 2000 some ships, many of which are bigger and probably slower than an Astartes strike cruiser.

Page 428
“I was under the impression that the ork psykers were so numerous that their presence somehow smothered your… gifts.”
...
“They are perhaps even more numerous now than before. But there are powerful psykers aboard these Imperial ships, several dozen of them registered as alpha-class, and they are doing all they can to hold the psychic channels open. There are Space Marine Librarians with them, too, from half a dozen Chapters.
..
"Even the psychic noise of the orks cannot entirely drown out our communication with them. We have been able to engage in limited two-way communication.”
The Imperial response fleet has a great many powerful psykers, including 'several dozen alpha class' (something I would have thought was impossible!) At least some, if not all are astrotelepaths (besides the Librarians) and they are able to break through (partly) the Ork intereference.

Page 428-429
She was the third planet out, situated perfectly in the middle of her star’s life zone, much like Holy Terra Herself.

Hololithic green triangles appeared above her cloud-masked surface. These were the orks’ ships at anchor in high orbit. There were still thousands of them.
...
Deguerro directed Kantor’s attention to the orbital plane of the Rynnstar system’s outermost planet, Phraecos, a barren, moonless world with a surface of frozen methane. Just within the hololithic ring of the planet’s orbital path, a formation of glowing blue triangles flickered into existence, attendant streams of digital data spooling through the air beside them.

“Two thousand two hundred and sixteen warp-capable ships,” said Deguerro, “and nothing smaller than a Dauntless-class light cruiser. There are several Space Marine battle-barges, but the main bulk of the fleet’s firepower is comprised of that aboard the Imperial Navy’s Emperor- and Retribution-class battleships. There are four each of these, a significant commitment from Segmentum Headquarters.”
The advance guard of the Imperial response force. Over 2000 warp capable ships, all bigger than a ligth cruiser. This means that there are more ships in terms of escorts, but they aren't included. Whether this is all warships or it includes transports is up for debate. My guess would be that it doesn't since its mentioning only warships, but there are troop and titan and other transports alont with the warfleet.

Even more these are all apparently from the Segmentum Headquarters, whcih I guess tells us (at a minimum) how many ships they can deploy directly from headquarters or that vicinity. One has to wonder why ships in and around Rynn's wolrd haven't been deployed ot assist or break the blockade, or why none of the surrounding sectors have sent aid. It isnt as if they would be unawre of the problem by now, and you'd think nearby systems/subsectors and even sectors coudl have deployed forces to help delay the inevitable, if nothign else.

Also apparently 8 battleships rperesents the 'main bulk' of the fleet's firepower. How can this be if there are things light cruiser or bigger? Are there no cruisers or battlecruisers?

Also the fleet is at the edges of the system, whilst the planet is the third one out, close to where Tterra is in the solar system.

Page 429
“This Imperial force is enough to break through and land troops, but it is not enough to eliminate the enemy fleet outright.”
...
“But we have been assured that further support is on the way.”

“To arrive when, exactly?” Kantor asked.
...
“We cannot be sure. Best estimates say two days from now, but the warp…”
More ships are coming. Enough to defeat the Orks, who greatly outnumber a 2200 ship fleet already. I'd guess the backup is at least as big probably bigger than the current forces, meaning Kar Duniash deployed at least 5-6 thousand ships, plus the escrots.

Page 431
The ministers did not seem to register that the fleet would still have to fight its way through the greenskins’ orbital blockade. Neither did they seem to care that it was still many hours out from the planet.
Longer than six hours but far less than two days. Assuming they come out 2 billion km away and take 12-24 hours to reach the planet. we're talking between 114-453 gees. If we use the 2 AU distance from before.. we're at 16-65 gees. Even assuming 2 days at 2 AU we're talking no less than 4 gees of constant thrust... which is far greater thna cruisers in the rogue trader RPG, much less battleships.

Velocity at 2 days/2AU is 1.1% of c (3300 km/s) 2.2%-4.6% of c at 2 AU/12-24 hours, and 16%-31% of c at 12-24 hours and 2 billion km.

Page 431-432
He had seen them eroded over the last eighteen months, proud nobility turned to lifeless husks convinced of their impending deaths. It was he who had ordered them to release their servants so that they might be conscripted into the Defence Force. It was he who had ordered the nobles’ personal stores and stockhouses raided, and the foodstuffs pooled with those of the rest of the city, to be rationed out in accordance with emergency Munitorum law. Fighters eat first.

How they had railed against that! The commissars had been forced to make a few examples. Those who had most openly and vocally challenged martial law had been publicly flogged. It was the first time any noble had received capital punishment in over six hundred years.

Kantor had not attended the flogging, but he approved. These were times of war. Those who did not adapt were destined to die.
Again eighteen months have passed since the start o fthe war or thereabouts. More than that we learn an interesting rule about rationing and conscription - basically in severe wartime all notions of convention and status seem to go out the window, and the commissars enforicng it will even punish nobles. Of course this may only apply to civilian nobles, as we've seen military leaders abuse their privileges to benefit themselves over lesser troops even in wartime.

Page 440
"Almost sixty kilometres of tunnel between us and the spaceport… We may find ourselves engaged along the way."
...
Speed is key, my brother,” said Kantor. “Push fast and push hard. The gargants will take between four and six hours to reach the Silver Citadel, and the void-shields will hold the people safe for some time after that, but we have no idea exactly how long. We have to retake the spaceport fast.”
They end up making it in around 4-5 hours, giving them an average travel speed underground in the sewers of 12-15 kph. Of course they had Termintaros with slowing them down and they fought, but its a reasonable approximation of their 'walking' pace. 3-4 m/s is not exactly slow either.. thats a very fast job or slow run for most normal humans.

Page 454
The orks beyond it were heavily armed and dressed in plate armour. Cortez did not see any powered suits among them, but the iron plate would be thick enough to stop a direct hit with a bolt.
Ork heavy armor can stop a bolt. considering its been noted to be able to penetrate 20 cm of plasteel...

Page 455
Kantor leaned out to fire a short burst from Dorn’s Arrow. The weapon’s fire-rate was incredibly high. Kantor had to be careful to fire in extremely short bursts, otherwise he would burn through his back-mounted store of ammunition in less than a minute, despite the vast amount of shells he carried.
Assuming 1000 rounds carried we're talking 1000 rpm or so. Possibly faster.

PAge 457
...he centred his pistol’s iron sights on the helmeted head of the ork wrestling with Cassaves and fired off a single bolt.

It struck the ork dead centre in the side of its head, but the creature’s helmet was solid, at least two centimetres thick, and the round detonated on contact, snapping the ork’s head to the side, stunning it for a moment, but failing to wound it.
Ork armour at least 2 cm thick (helmet) stops bolter round, even the detonation.

Page 458
Smoke curled from gun barrels and spent cartridges. Some of the ork bodies, each of which was easily three hundred kilogrammes in weight..
300 kg ork bodies.

Page 464
A shower of brass poured from the heavy bolter’s cartridge ejection port.

The orks at the front were almost cut in half as dozens of mass-reactive shells exploded inside their guts. They went down screaming, spittle flying from their
razor-toothed mouths
Heavy bolter vs Orks. Note the casings being ejected.

Page 466
The relic weapon’s rate of fire was almost as great as that of Morai’s heavy bolter, and it cut deep into the mob of orks, its bolts detonating messily in their
bellies.
Dorn's arrow has a rate of fire to match a heavy bolter.

page 467
Kantor watched in horror as they were chewed apart before his eyes. Their armour should have protected them against greenskin slugs, even large-calibre ones, but this was different. Whatever stood at the top of the stairs was spewing so much firepower in their direction that there was simply no hope. Ceramite plates cracked and shattered under the deadly hail. Great gouts of blood fountained into the air.
..
turned its lead-spewing heavy weapon on the statue behind which Daecor was now trapped. The shells began reducing the statue to rabble with terrible speed.
“Shell-breakers,”
...
Only armour-piercing rounds could have done damage like that. It was fortunate, in some respects, that only the highest ranking orks ever seemed to have access to them.
Power armour vs armour piercing gunfire.

Page 473
Not only was the thing crackling with an energy field, it looked like it might have been treated with synthetic diamond, much like the blade of his own knife. If so, those pincers would be able to cut through his ceramite armour like it was wet paper.
Again synthetic diamond coatings seem to make a big improvement in the penetration of mono and power weapons.

Page 475
It was a flat disk, six hundred and forty metres in diameter, capable of berthing ships up to five hundred and fifty metres across. Like all of the landing plates at the New Rynn Spaceport, it employed anti-gravitic suspension systems related to the grav-plates used on most space-faring vessels. Such powerful suspension allowed the plate to accept burdens of millions of tonnes without compromising the integrity of the structure below.
This passage is interesting for two reasons: 1.) It explains why spaceports are important and generally such vital strategic points if they need that kind of support/reinforcement to hold up the mass of landing craft (its not the first time we've seen or heard of landing craft that big) and 2.) the implied mass of a 550 or so meter vessel is 'millions of tonnes' which is a hefty chunk of even small RT RPG escorts (a vessel about 1/3 the length of a Cobra destroyer or a frigate is probably going to be many times more massive, more likely an order of magnitude or more scaling up.)

Assuming the transport is 550 m long and 1/5 that in width/height and masses only 2 million tonnes we get an average density of at least 300 kg*m^3.

we also get antigrav acting as a sort of 'structural support/reinforcement' element.

Page 477
...he knew their ammunition must be starting to run low. He checked a readout on his visor and saw that Dorn’s Arrow still had exactly four hundred and eighteen rounds left to fire before the belt feeds ran dry.
Kantor's gun has at least 418 rounds left and this is apparently considered 'running low'. Assuming max capacity was 2-3x the current loadout, we're talking 800-1200 rounds. This also implies a rate of fire of at least 7-21 rounds/sec, given it was earlier noted he could burn through his ammo in under a minute if he didn't conserve fire.

Page 479
...they managed to pepper the Astartes armour with fat metal slugs simply by virtue of firing so many. Kantor felt his armour struck again and again, each impact sending brief sparks up around him.
...
Now, it was spattered with alien gore, and chipped and blackened in places by the impact of their bullets.


Ork gunfire on Kantor's power armor.

Page 479
The bridge was narrow, only eight metres across. It forced the orks to bunch together...
...
Brother Morai stepped forward onto the bridge, heavy bolter in hand, and began cutting the orks down six at a time with tight scything sprays of fire
Implies Orks are ~ 1-1.3 M across at the shoulders.

Page 480
Kantor brought Dorn’s Arrow level with his shoulder and willed the weapon to fire, controlling it by neural command. The command flashed down through his nervous system, through the sockets in his flesh, along the cables that made his body and armour one.

Muzzle fire leapt out from the relic’s twin barrels and a stream of brass casings began to pour to the ground. Kantor watched the ammunition counter on his visor fall, cursing as it reached three hundred and fifty rounds, then three hundred.
...
...Dorn’s Arrow, mounted on the back of it, cut them into lifeless, blood-sodden chunks.
Dorn's ARrow in action again, note the implied rapidity of ammo usage.

Page 483
At the top of the ramp, Oro met them calmly, setting his feet shoulder-width apart and levelling the multi-melta at them. There was a crack and whoosh of ionised air as the weapon cooked the aliens’ bodies, turning everything black, bone and muscle alike. The orks barely had time to scream. Their armour and weapons dropped to the ground, losing their shape, forming little heaps of hot slag. The stench of cooked flesh became strong on the air, then gusting winds tugged it away.
Multimelta vs group of orks.

Page 487
Some orks, for whatever reason, felt an attachment to space and the type of combat they could enjoy there. Such orks were rare, freaks perhaps, but they existed.
another variation of 'oddboy' perhaps like the Speed Freeks or the ones who like to fly planes.

Page 488
..Astartes battle-plate being what it was, and ork hearing was known to be acute, perhaps to compensate for their eyesight.
Orks have good hearing, lousy eyesight. Which probably explains why they suck at shooting. lol.

Page 490
He darted straight towards the creature and brought his power fist down in a blistering hammer blow. The energy field cracked sharply, blue arcs of light flashed. One moment, the beast had a head, the next, it was erased.
Kantor's power fist pulverizes another Ork skull in a single hit.

Page 491
The orks on Segala’s left and right dropped their weapons and grabbed Segala’s arms tight. The sergeant was extremely strong—all Astartes were—but an ork was stronger, and the strength of two was impossible to resist.
Comment on Ork vs Astartes strength.

Page 499
“I want all portside batteries on that ship,” said a cultured voice in High Gothic. “And prime the lance batteries for when we come around."
..
“My name is Arvol Dahan, Lord Commander of the Imperial Naval destroyer Adaemus."
A destroyer armed with lances. I presume it is a rather large destroyer, mounting lances the same way a Firestorm frigate does. Otherwise its mounting some smaller light lances like those las burners.

Page 504
He broke into a run, racing directly for the towering two-tonne creature, peppering its armoured bulk with torrents of fire from his storm-bolter as he moved.
Power armoured Ork Boss creature masses two tonnes.. how much is armor and how much ork we don't know.

Page 508
But the creature was unnaturally tough, tougher than any Astartes. It was not just the armour, it was the nature of the ork race. Pain hardly slowed them, fear rarely stopped them in their tracks, they were addicted to war, addicted to slaughter, and they would never stop coming.
Comment on the nature of ork durability.

Page 509-510
The beast bellowed in frustration, and, the moment its mouth was open as wide as it could surely go, the attacker leaned forward and placed the metal object deep inside the creature’s mouth.
...
It was about to take a third then the krak grenade detonated inside it. Where its head had poked out of its armoured shell, a fountain of blood and shattered bone erupted. For a second, the armour stayed upright, apparently undamaged by the explosion in the creature’s body. Then, slowly, like a falling ebonwood tree, it tumbled forwards and smashed to the floor.
Krak grenade pulverises the power armored ork - doesnt appear to penetrate the armour in any way, but the body itself is utterly pulverised. We're talking many many times a regular grenade's effect, possibly several kilos of TNT or more depending on the exact damage mechanism (its shape/focus.. it may be the power armor contained amplified the blast.. and if it was pure blast it might have been more powerful than shrapnel.)

Page 510
...the Chapter Master grimaced, noting the blood-crusted stump which was all that remained of his friend’s right arm.
Cortez survives having his arm chopped off his body.

Page 516-517
“How long until we have full control over the surface-to-orbit batteries?”
...
"We can begin firing the others within the hour, perhaps even less.”
“And the sub-orbital anti-air batteries?”
“Much the same, lord,”
..
"The orks did not dismantle or disconnect the on-site plasma generators.”
Starport defenses and the time to get them ready. Note as well they both seem to run on plasma reactors.

Page 517-518
Shells ripped into the room, not stubber shells, but something far heavier.

Autocannon rounds. The orks must have salvaged the guns from a looted Chimera or Hydra.
...
The heavy armour-piercing shells battered at him, rattling off him, sparks showering outwards with every impact, but they did no damage.

He’d had only a fraction of a second to activate the power-field device embedded in the golden halo that jutted up from the top of his back-mounted generator, but that fraction of a second had been enough. All it took was a single neural command, a thought, and the so-called Iron Halo, actually made of adamantium and coated with gold, shielded him in its powerful energy field, turning aside the lethal hail of shells.

The device was a last resort, but he’d had no choice. Activating the device was a huge energy drain, and the power levels of his armour dropped dramatically while it protected him. The temperature inside his suit went up. Alarm runes glowed red in his visor, but it saved his life. It was the first time he’d allowed himself to rely on the halo in half a century.
Kantor takes abuse from Chimera or Hydra grade autocannon (the two seem to be of roughly similar calibre, I'd guess.) and the Iron Halo saves him from the AP shells. It is presumed that without the Halo (given he orders his men to take cover) they would have been torn apart by the gunfire. It could be less because of the calibre/size of the shells and more because they are armor piercing rathe than HE - that's always one thing to consider when it comes to autocannons (or bolters.)

The trade off is that the Halo draws alot of power and greatly increases the heat build up in the armor, which limits its use. It also either provides some sort of anchoring effect (unlikely) or the combined autocannon rounds mostly ricocheted, because he's not noticably budged by the impacts.

Also Kantor has had the device for at least 500 years, giving an idea of his tenure.

Page 523
He saw now that they were indeed looted autocannons. There were two of them, fed by thick, heavy ammo drums that he guessed contained tens of thousands of rounds.
ammo capacity of the looted Chimera/Hydra autocannon. They're apparently bigger than Ork slugs, but small enough that you can carry a ton of them.

Page 523
The Nolfeas Plate used anti-gravitic suspension just like the others. Nothing short of a Naval transport could shake it.
Apparently some naval transports get to hundreds of metres long and millions of tonnes. lol.

Page 525
But how fast could this monster move? Unhindered by tonnes of iron plate, like that worn by Urzog Mag Kull, Snagrod was a different prospect altogether.
This seems to imply that the mass of the last Ork cortez blew up was mostly for its armor, and not an exact value at that.

Page 526
His armour’s power levels had dropped dangerously low. They climbed again now, but never quite reached optimum. He knew he couldn’t rely on the halo again. If he came too close to overloading his armour’s generator, his systems would lock out to prevent an atomic explosion.
I'm guessing the intent is that if the Iron Halo draws too much available power, the reaction in the atomic power source cannot contain or sustain itself, and will be spontaneously unleashed. not a literal explosion per se.

Page 528
In the split second before Snagrod pulled his axes free, Kantor’s sword stabbed towards the module, his movement deliberately slowed. Most shields resisted objects travelling at high speeds, but allowed slower intrusions. This was no different. The tip of Kantor’s blade pierced the energy field and skewered the module.
The Ork Warlord's defensive shield seems to suffer the same flaw all 40K forcefield devices have a problem with - a certian velocity bias or threshold or whatever. Basically slow moving attacks penetrate better than fast moving ones, for whatever reason that is. I'd guess we're talking metres per second at most in this case (a close range distance in a fraction of a second)

Page 529
They slammed against each other like crashing trucks, ceramite armour against flesh tougher and thicker than old leather.
Commentary on the toughness of Ork hide. May be literal, may be figurative :P

Page 532
They would simply push the bombers over the edge of the plate. Together, the Terminators had more than enough combined strength for that.
5 Terminators combined can easily push an Ork bomber off the landing pads.
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Funny that you should decide to cover these now, as I was just considering doing 'Battle of the Fang' from this series. Would you mind me covering it on this thread? Or shall I start another?
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I'm fine with whichever option you want to do. I won't mind if someone decides to cover it independently. It might get more discussion and notice if its separate from mine, but then again it might also get my topic more discussion if you keep it here :P
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Connor MacLeod wrote:I'm fine with whichever option you want to do. I won't mind if someone decides to cover it independently. It might get more discussion and notice if its separate from mine, but then again it might also get my topic more discussion if you keep it here :P
In which case, I'll keep it in here for the sake of brevity.

Chris Wraight's 'Battle of the Fang' covers the events of the Thousand Sons' invasion of Fenris, in a sense completing a cycle that began with 'A Thousand Sons' and 'Prospero Burns'. It is my clear favorite in this series, partly because of the sense of tragedy it conveys, but also because Magnus the Red's motives are not entirely clear. Is he trying to destroy the Space Wolves in revenge for what they took from him? Is he trying to deny them their future? Or is he trying to prevent them from making a terrible mistake? The Space Wolves pride themselves on being ravening engines of destruction, because that was what they were created for. Yet the Thousand Sons have, in their own way, become something every bit as dangerous by virtue of what the Space Wolves did to them. For those Thousand Sons sorcerors who remain with Magnus, all that remains is to do unto the Space Wolves as was done unto them, even if they have to ruin themselves in the process.

Without further ado, the prologue to start things off;


Page 7
Prologue
Strike Cruiser Gottthammar powered smoothly through the void, its vast engines operating at less than half capacity, its wing of escorts keeping pace comfortably across the ten thousand kilometre-wide patrol formation. The cruiser was gunmetal-grey against the deep well of the void, its heavily armoured flanks emblazoned with the head of a snarling wolf. It had translated from the warp only hours earlier, and the last residue of Geller field shutdown still clung, glistening, to the exposed adamantium of the hull.
The Gotthammar's command bridge was located near the rear of the gigantic vessel, surrounded by towers, bulwarks and angled gun batteries. Void shields rippled like gauze over metres-thick plexiglass realspace viewers, under which the bridge crew laboured to keep the ship on course and with all its systems working at their full pitch of perfection.


A heavy warship and its escorts cover an area ten thousand kilometres across. I'm not sure what they mean by 'plexiglass' in the windows. It might literally be polymethyl methacrylate, but either way it's meters thick.

Page 8
Inside, the bridge was a huge space, over two hundred metres long, a cavern carved out from the core of the vessel. Its roof was largely transparent, formed out of the lens-like realspace portals arranged across a latticework of iron. Below that were gantries ringing the edges of the open chamber, each of them patrolled by kaerls hefting skjoldtar projectile weapons. Further down was the first deck, across which milled more mortal crew. Most were clad in the pearl-grey robes of Fenrisian ship-thralls, though kaerls moved among them too, stomping across the metal decking in blast-armour and translucent face-masks.
A little on the structure of the strike cruiser's bridge. Also, we see the kaerls for the first time. These appear to be armed Chapter serfs, perhaps a leftover of the pre-Heresy Legion structure. That the Space Wolves maintain such a force is not all that strange, as there have been off-hand references to Chapter serfs fighting in defence of fortress-monasteries, and they are described as providing the crews of Astartes warships. The kaerls appear to fall neatly into both roles.

Page 10
He was right. The whole Fourth Great Company fleet was buzzing with frustrated energy. Thousands of kaerls, hundreds of Space Marines, all chasing shadows for months on end.
This snippet implies that a single strike cruiser and its battlegroup can carry and support an entire Great Company. Numbers are given as hundreds of Astartes and thousands of kaerls. While this could be taken to imply that the kaerls might accompany the Astartes into battle, there is no clear evidence as yet. The fact that they are mentioned specifically suggests that they enjoy a certain status among the Chapter serfs.

Page 12
The Rune Priest's armour had started glowing, lit up by the angular shapes carved into the plate. For the first time in months, the wyrd-summoner looked excited. Probe-auspexes continued to zoom in, revealing pyramids in the heart of the city.
Massive pyramids.
'There can be no doubt, lord.'
Kjarlskar let slip a savage, barking laugh.
'Then summon the star-speakers,' he snarled. 'We've done it.' He looked from Anjarm to Frei, and his bestial eyes shone.
'We've found the bastard. Magnus the Red is on Gangava.'


We've got a Rune Priest's (Librarian) armour glowing when psychic powers are in use, implying the incorporation of psychic technology.

If this looks like a trap to you, I may as well say that you're right. The pyramids were probably constructed as a result of cult-manipulation of the planetary government, a factor that will become important later. That the Space Wolves will take a flying leap tells us something about their mindset, a fact that will see some development as the story progresses.
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Chapter One

Page 13

He sniffed, pulling the frigid air in deep. The prey had sensed something, and there was fear carrying on the wind. He tensed, feeling his muscles tighten with readiness. His pin-sharp pupils dilated slightly, lost in their near-white irises.
Not yet.
Down below him, a few hundred yards away, the herd huddled against the wind, stepping nervously despite their size. Konungur, a rare breed. Everything on Fenris was bred to grip onto survival, and these creatures were no different. Four lungs to scrape the thin air of Asaheim of every last molecule of oxygen, huge ribcages of semi-fused bone, hind-legs the width of a man's waist, twin twisted horns and a spiked spine-ridge. A kick from a konungur could take the head off a man.
Vaer Greyloc on a hunt. A Space Wolf can seemingly detect an animal's emotional state via smell over several hundred yards, while standing upwind of said animal. We also have an example of Fenrisian fauna in the form of the Konungur, which comes across as a god-modded elk (or something of that order). One has cause to wonder whether it is concievable for such a creature to evolve under even remotely Earth-like conditions (humans don't die just by breathing the air, so it falls broadly into that category), or whether Fenris was the product of some pre-Dark Age planetological experiment.

Page 17
The beast was two metres high at the shoulder, over four tons of pure muscle moving at speed.

About the size of a stag-moose (cervalces scotti) but slightly taller and considerably heavier.

Page 18-19
The blunt, snub-nosed flyer came closer, skirting the drifts. It was a four-man skarr gunship, open-sided and armed with twin-linked bolters under the wings. A single figure stood in the exposed crew bay, hands free and long red hair streaming out from the turbulence of the descent.
'Jarl!' the newcomer bellowed over the roar as the flyer came to rest, bobbing a metre from the ground. The tilted engines thundered deep wells into the snow, melting and evaporating it and turning the drifts into slush.
An aircraft of Fenrisian manufacture, seemingly analagous to a Valkyrie or Vulture, or possibly based on the Landspeeder. It is mentioned a few lines later as being manned by kaerls, indicating that it belongs to the Chapter or at least falls under their jurisdiction. It also implies that the kaerls have wider-ranging responsibilities than merely guarding the Fang (or Aett as the Fenrisians call their stronghold), and may actually double as the PDF. This may be due to the primitive state of the native human population, or perhaps the privilege of a First Founding Chapter.

Page 26
The Chamber of the Annulus was high up in the pinnacle of the Fang, in the Valgard near the very summit of the huge fortress, surrounded by a seam of pure granite. It had been one of the first halls to be delved from the living rock by the Terran geomancers brought to Fenris to establish the VI Legion in the time of legends. In that age, tech-adepts had been able to level the very mountains and raise them up again, to shape the continents and quell the tumults of the death world's seasonal upheavals. They could have made Fenris a paradise if they'd chosen, and it was only on the primarch's orders that the planet was never altered from its fearsome character. Russ wished for his homeworld to remain the great proving ground of warriors, a crucible in which its humanity would be tested and honed forever.
Some insight into what pre-Heresy Imperial terraformers were capable of. The implication that they could have made Fenris more liveable is interesting from that perspective, and raises an ethical question. By not improving Fenris, Leman Russ essentially condemned his people to live in extreme conditions for the purpose of making the survivors tough enough to be Space Wolves. As much as I like the Space Wolves, I can't help but find this a callous decision, however understandable it might be. The idea that the best soldiers come from tough environments is an old one, but no less questionable for it. The Space Wolves themselves prefer this arrangment, and the sort of warriors it makes of them, for reasons that will be revealed later on.
So, as it had happened, only one mountain out of the hundreds on Asaheim had been changed from its primeval form, its chambers hollowed out and wrought by ancient devices of forgotten, terrible power. Now the knowledge brought by those long-dead artificers was fading fast, and no citadel of comparable strength would ever be built again. The Fang was unique in the Imperium, the product of a genius that was slowly bleeding out of the galaxy as humanity stumbled and unlearned the lessons of the past.
Wraight is clearly operating on a declinist basis here, though in this case he may be pushing it too hard. Real-world humans have been hollowing out mountains from the Cold War if not earlier, and the Fang does not appear to use any technologies that the Imperium cannot currently replicate. The most I can think of is that a similar project in the 41st Millenium might have to use less efficient tunnelling techniques (due to shortages of suitable technology), making for a longer and more expensive project. The only particularly weird feature of the Fang that I remember is that it apparently stretches far enough into the lower atmosphere that starships can dock with it, which is more to do with Fenris being a weird planet than the state of Imperial technology.

Page 28
'Gangava Prime,' said Ironhelm, relishing the words as they left his cracked lips. 'What orbital defences there were have been destroyed, but void shields shelter the major settlements. Kjarlskar estimates tens of millions in the principal city alone.'
As Ironhelm talked, his voice became more animated. Greyloc saw the Great Wolf's right hand, enclosed in its heavy gauntlet, flex into a fist as he spoke. A subtle kill-urge pheremone marked the air.
He's combat-roused. Already.
'We'll take the Rout,' Ironhelm announced, baring his thick, chipped fangs in a chill smile, as if daring any to disagree. 'All of it. We strike, hard. This prize calls for the full wrath of the running pack.'
The hololith flickered as tactical overlays showed landing sites and ingress routes. The primary target was a massive urban sprawl on a high northern latitude, hundreds of miles across. The swirls of citylight were uncomfortably arranged, and as Greyloc looked at them a hot sensation broke out behind his eyes. He heard the low growls around the chamber as the others recognized the mark of corruption in the architecture.
A description of Gangava Prime and its capital. The Void shields protecting the major cities are powerful enough to resist orbital bombardment even by Astartes warships (which specialize in that role), and the capital has an estimated population in the tens of millions, with an area hundreds of miles across (between 160 and 1600 kilometres if taken literally). By way of comparison, the largest 'city proper' on Earth (aka without suburbs) is Shanghai with a population of 17 million in its core districts, covering an area of just over 2,600 square kilometres. In terms of Megacities, the Greater Tokyo area is the largest at over 35 million (UN estimate 2007) and covers 13,500 square kilometres. This overall fits the pattern of Imperial cities having very high population densities.

Along with an implication that the Space Wolves do remember to plan their operations, we have an example of shapes have a supernatural effect. This is common in 40k, with Chaos-related words or symbols described as being painful to look at, or moving around before the viewer's eyes. There are also precedents of architecture or constructions in general being somehow conducive to warp activity. Some Battlefleet Gothic fluff implies that the designs of some Chaos warships had the effect of attracting and funneling Chaos, making the corruption of the crew and passengers more likely. That the architecture of Gangava had this effect implies that the Thousand Sons were controlling the planet directly or indirectly for quite some time.

Page 29
'Three weeks in the warp. The fleet is being made ready.'
'And you're sure he's there?' asked Iron Priest Rendmar in his strange, metallic voice.
'Kjarlskar's Rune Priest confirms it. The Traitor waits for us, confident in his strength.'
'He invites the attack,' said Jarl Egial Vraksson of the Fifth, narrowing his eyes across a heavily scarred brow and scrutinising the tactical display. 'Why?'
'There are over two million troops in the target zone. It's fortified, and there are armament works within. He's building a new Legion, brothers. We've caught him before he's ready.'
'A Legion with no fleet,' said Greyloc softly.
He suddenly felt hostile eyes sweep across him. Ironhelm's enthusiasm was infectious, and they didn't want to hear contrary counsel.
'And what of that, whelp?' demanded Ironhelm. The term 'whelp' had been used in the past as a joke, a way for the older Jarls to poke fun at Greyloc's relative youth, but there was a sharper edge in Ironhelm's speech this time.


The trip to Gangava is three weeks for a Space Wolves fleet. Gangava's defences include a concentration of two million troops in the target zone, implying that there are more elsewhere. The part about Magnus trying to build a new Legion almost certainly does not mean new Astartes, but rather the supporting army and fleet units. Funnily enough, that particular claim will turn out to be true, though not in a way Ironhelm would like.

Page 30
'We are committed to this' said Ironhelm, speaking to Greyloc as if demonstrating an axe-grip to a child. 'It is blood-debt. It is completion.'
That word again. Like all the others, Greyloc knew the importance of it. They were hunters, the Wolves, and nothing was more important than bringing the chase to a kill. Plenty in the Imperium thought of Russ's warriors's savages, but that betrayed their ignorance of galactic history- the Wolves did what was necessary to complete the task, whatever it was. That was the trait they'd been bred for. To leave a slaying unfinished was a cause for deep shame, something that burned in the soul forever, chewing away until the ache was cleansed.
Our first look into the mindset of the Space Wolves, and an important one. The Horus Heresy novels show the Space Wolves Legion as a ravening engine of destruction, a terrifying combination of seemingly mindless savagery, unbending discipline, and utter ruthlessness. According to Dan Abnett(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=viFLhyJXqNQ), they were allowed to be that way in order for them to be able to destroy literally anything, even another Legion. Most important of all in this snippet is that the Space Wolves are determined to finish whatever they start. Ironically, one of the most hurtful things Magnus ever did to them was to slip through their fingers at Prospero, for their determination to hunt him down is shown to border on the obsessive. In this case, it is leading them straight into a trap, their uncompromising single-mindedness proving a near-fatal weakness as well as a strength.
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Chapter Two

Page 34
'You should not have strayed, brother.'
Temekh spoke aloud, feeling the shape of the words slip around his cultured lips. He spoke in Telapiye, the xenos language of the book's long-dead authors. Even with his superhuman control of musculature, he couldn't recreate the full range of sounds necessary - for that, he'd have needed two tongues, each with more prehensile range than his own. Still, that even his rough approximation was heard in the universe was something. Since the last of the telap had been exterminated, it was entirely possible that Ahmuz Temekh was the only speaker of the million-year-old language left.
One of the more obscure features of Astartes physiology, being able to manage a considerably wider range of sounds than normal humans.
We also have a mention of an exterminated race, the Telap, with a culture stretching back over one million years. It is revealed on the next page that they were exterminated by Angron in what Temekh sardonically calls an 'act of tolerance'.

Page 34
The prakasa swelled into more light and their beams swept around the room, showing up the eclectic contents. A hauxx writing desk from Karellion, an aquarium of feldspar crystal populated with sparkling cichlids, a wraithbone sword-holder from the extinguished Saim-Arvuel craftword.
So many trinkets. On ancient Terra, they'd have called him a jackdaw.


The Thousand Sons are displaying what will later become one of their defining characteristics, namely a desire to collect (possibly magical) artifacts. It is worth noting that two of the four artifacts mentioned here (the book included) come from sources openly stated to have been destroyed. This suggests a fixation with fallen or destroyed cultures, perhaps deriving from their grief over Prospero.

Page 34-35
Herume Aphael ducked as he entered the room. He was arrayed in full battle-armour, which made hima a half-metre taller than Temekh. His plate was deep blue, decorated with bronze swirls at the joints; only his bald, smooth head was exposed. The Pyrae sorceror-lord spent much of his time in armour these days, and Temekh couldn't recall when he'd last seen him without it.


Astartes are a half-metre taller in armour than out of it. Also, the Thousand Sons are in their new colour-scheme. For reference, the Pyrae were the former Thousand Sons cult specializing in pyrokinesis.

Page 35-36
The Pyrae shook his head. As the flesh moved against the interface nodes in his armour's neck guard, Temekh could see the puckering, the slight reflexiveness. Was that an early sign, a giveway symptom?
Oh, no. Not you too.


The Thousand Sons have a mutation problem. I suppose it's what they get for messing around with Psychic power as much as they do. It feeds into what will happen later.

Page 36
Strike cruisers, bristling with weapons, readied for the orbital war to come. Behind them, vast troop ships, crammed with thousands upon thousands of mortals bearing the single eye on their breastplates.
And in the holds of the great battleships were the Rubricae, Ahriman's creations. They waited, silently, animated by nothing but the wills of those who led them. They would feel no hate against the Dogs as they killed them, the ones who had reduced them to their state of eternal, silent horror. For them, the years since the Betrayal were nothing. Even for Temekh and the others who retained their souls, mere decades had passed since Prospero had been sacked, whatever else might have happened in the universe of mortals. For Magnus's children, the wounds were still raw, still weeping.
The Thousand Sons' conventional followers wear the symbol of an eye. This could be the Eye of Horus, or maybe just in it's occult context. I'm leaning towards the latter, since there is little other evidence of involvement with, or loyalty to, the Black Legion.
A little more on the Thousand Sons' mindset. They've been nursing their hate for a few decades (by their own reckoning), which is enough to make anyone go off the deep end.

Page 37
Aphael frowned at Temekh's weary tone.
'Do you not wish to see them burn, brother? Do you not relish the pain we will cause them?'
Temekh almost replied with the words he had been reading a few moments ago.
There is a symmetry of pain in revenge. When a man will not withdraw his emotion from those whom he wishes to destroy, then even in victory he destroys nothing but a part of himself.
'Causing them pain will not bring back Tizca,' he said, gazing absently at the cichlids as they darted through the weeds of the aquarium. 'But if we have been so diminshed that our only remaining satisfaction is in their destruction, then it will have to do.' His violet eyes flickered back up to look at his comrade.
'So they will burn, brother,' he said bleakly. 'They will burn in ways they do not even begin to comprehend.'
Only to himself, silently, and within the privacy of his psychically shielded mind, did he complete the sentence.
And so will we.
Temekh and Aphael represent two possible strains of opinion within the Thousand Sons, and two common responses to terrible trauma. Aphael is vengeful, wishing to strike back and hurt those who did the deed, even if he loses what little he has left in the process. Temekh, by contrast, displays weary resignation and despair, seeing no point or value in what they are doing. On the whole, I'd say Aphael's opinion is the more common among the remaining Thousand Sons.
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Next in line for the SMB Series: Helsreach. Without a doubt one of the best novels in the series, and that is because it's ADB. The guy just has a gift for writing, and he makes me even enjoy a Space Marine novel (which he seems to enjoy writing as well, personally I still liked Cadian blood more and wished he'd write more Guard stuff, but meh.)

Helsreach is about a Black Templar who is put in a position of defending one of Armageddon's Hive Cities against an Ork invasion. He does not want to be there, he considers it a demeaning, dead end assignment, but he's determined to carry it out to the best of his ability. The novel basically covers his efforts from start to finish, and the bulk of it highlights his dealings with those around him - the humans he protects, the soldiers he fights with, the other organizations (Esp the Admech, but also other Marines) he encounters, and so on. It is also a bit of a 'growth experience' for him, which seems to be a theme ADB likes to revisit, as well as the whole 'interpersonal relations' angle between humand and Astartes. And that's really what makes the book shine.

Single update, two parts. I still have a ton of SMB stuff to get through, and a new book comes out this month (along with the Macharius one, which I am GREATLY anticipating.)

Page 14
The blade itself, as long as a mortal man is tall, was wrought from the broken remains of Lord Dorn’s own sword.
High Marshal Helbrecht's sword. Like all Astartes weapons its way bigger than a normal person would have.

Page 20
"We draw near to our destination. Estimates put translation back into realspace within the hour."
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"Have you seen the projections? The fleet auguries, the number of vessels in the local systems already, the reports of those yet to arrive?"
An hour out from arriving insystem, and they have an idea of what awaits them. I'm not sure if this is sensors, Navigator abilities, or astropathic scrying or divination but it does suggest some sort of FTL detection capability. The odd thing is that, given the Black Templar attitudes towards psykers, you'd think they wouldnt put much stock in, much less actively engage in, 'auguries' of that nature, which would suggest they're collecting the data through other means (Navigators or some sort of mechanical or cybernetic/biomechanical sensor system. Maybe it's like NecronLord suggested ages ago and they just hook up psyker brains to sensor systems.)

Page 22
If one were to look into the void around the bitter, punished world of Armageddon, one would see a thriving subsector of Imperial space where even the most prosperous hive planets bore more than their fair share of slowly-healing wounds.
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War, and the fear of another colossal sector-wide conflict, hung over the trillions of loyal Imperial souls like the threat of a storm forever on the edge of breaking.

It was always said by some that the Imperium of Man was dying. These heretical voices spoke of mankind’s endless wars against its manifold foes, and decreed that humanity’s ultimate fate was being decided in the fires of a million, million battlefields across the countless stars within the God-Emperor’s grip.
This implies either that the Armageddon subsector, or the sector as a whole Armageddon resides in, is home to trillions of individuals. It's quadrillions of people in the Imperium either way if we take this as a rough average, but the magnitude can be affected by the context. If it's per sector, we might have something like quadrillions to several tens of quadrillions in the Imperium given thousands of sectors (and more like 10K+). If its subsector (tens of thousands explicitly, and more like 60-80K subsectors at least) we're looking at tens to hundreds of quadrillions. And of course, it can depend on how many 'trillions' you figure there are :P

Also an implication of 'a million, million battlefields', which perhaps is the closest to having a whole galaxy at war. Of course, it implies there are more wars than there are planets/systems in the Imperium, so this might also serve as proof reinforcing the 'millions/billions' of worlds in the Imperium, in which case the ratio of conflicts will likewise be adjusted. It's also possible to interpret it as a trillion battlefields.. but that seems unlikely :P

Also implied multiple hive systems beyond Armageddon in the subsector, suggesting Armageddon is simply the greatest among equals.

Page 23
Armageddon itself stood as a bastion of Imperial strength, churning out regiments of tanks from manufactories that never ceased activity by day or night. Millions of men and women wore the ochre armour of Armageddon’s Steel Legions...
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Armageddon itself stood as a bastion of Imperial strength, churning out regiments of tanks from manufactories that never ceased activity by day or night. Millions of men and women wore the ochre armour of Armageddon’s Steel Legions,
A comment on the scale of Armageddon's military and industrial output, albeit a conservative one.

Page 24
A battle-barge of no standard design, the Crusader was a princely fortress-monastery,
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Weapons capable of pounding cities into dust – the claws of this night-stalking predator – aimed into the void. Along the ship’s length and clustered across its prow, hundreds of weapons batteries and lance cannons stood with mouths open to the silent darkness of space.

Aboard the ships, a thousand warriors cast off the shackles of training, preparation and meditation.
The High Marshal's battle-barge. It's bigger than normal, and it has weapons that can pound 'cities into dust' - as iwth conteint levelling we can leave this open to debate (single cities or plural cities, what kind of cities up to and including hives, whether or not it is a single shot or a sustiand bombardment, and whether or not it implies a single weapon or a battery or entire broadside. In this context at least, its implying a single weapon array, at least. Of which it has hundreds per broadside.)

Also carries a thousand warriors. More specifically 900 or so battle brothers - an entire bloody chapter and this is just ONE crusade.


Page 25
An invasive but familiar coldness settles over my forearm as my gauntlet’s neural linkage spike sinks into my wrist to bond with the bones and true muscles there.
Power armour, or at least Grimaldus' type, seems to rely on individual connections between each piece

Page 26
His decades within the Sword Brethren are behind him now; he was released with all honour when his advancing age and increasing bionics left him less than the exemplar he had been before.
I find this an odd quote to ascribe to a Space Marine, as they can (sometimes) age after a fashion, but they retain a sense of immortality - they don't really grow frail or worn down under most circumstances (eg the Heresy-era Salamander in the first Salamanders novel) I'd ascribe it more to the bionics if anything.

Page 27
Around Hades Hive, rain scythed down onto the cleared areas and sparked off the dense heat-shimmer of the city’s protective void shields. Across the world, the heavens were in turmoil, weather patterns ravaged by the atmospheric disturbance caused by countless ships breaking cloud cover every day.
Effects of the magnitude of on/offworld transport or shipping, and the presence of voids on the Hives of Armageddon.

Page 28
Mordechai Ryken scanned the gunships through his magnoculars. After several seconds of zoom-blur, green reticules locked onto the streaking avian hulls and transcribed an analysis in dim white text alongside the image.
Ryken lowered the viewfinder scope. It hung on a leather cord around his neck, resting on the ochre jacket he wore as part of his uniform. His breath was hot on his face, recycled and filtered through the cheap rebreather mask he wore over his mouth and nose.
Steel Legion magnoculars and rebreather. The scope is fancy, the mask isn't.

Page 29
Despite his advancing age, Kurov cut a straight-backed figure in his grimy uniform of ochre fatigues and black webbing, with flak padding on the torso.
Steel Legion uniforms/greatcoats seem to incorporate the flak armour into the outfit, at least in the chest regions.

Page 30
Across their chests, they gripped lasguns that hadn’t resembled standard-issue for some time – each bore its own display of modifications and accoutrements.
Kurov's IG escort - I guess vet's can geta way with (unoffically) modifying their weaponry.

Page 35
"All of the 101st Steel Legion is to be aboard and ready for transport by sunset in six point five hours."
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Six and a half hours to get three thousand men and women into heavy lifter transports, gunships and land trains.
Steel Lregion regiments of ~3000 men. Also mention of transport via heavy lifters, land trains, and gunships, which gives you an idea of the sorts of vehicles present onplanet. Also 6 hours to mobilize and redeploy the regiment seems possible, albeit it probably isn't something the ylike doing.

Page 35
"For you have been appointed a liaison to aid in dealings with the Astartes and the conscripted militia."
Apparently the militia are outside the IG chain of command, hense needing a liaison.

Page 36
The man speaking is ancient, and he looks every hour of his age. What keeps him on his feet is a mixture of minimal rejuvenat chem-surgeries, crude bionics, and a faith in the Emperor founded in hatred for the enemies of Man.
I liked him the moment my visor’s targeting reticules locked onto him.

He should not hold rank here – not to the degree he does. He is merely a commissar in the Imperial Guard, and such a title does not tend to make generals, colonels, Astartes captains and Chapter Masters remain in polite silence when it comes to tactical planning. Yet to the humans at this war council, and the citizens of Armageddon, he is the Old Man, a beloved hero of the Second War fifty-seven years ago.

Not just a hero. The hero.

His name is Sebastian Yarrick. Even we Astartes must respect that name.
Yarrick makes his appearance.. he must be really old for rejuv to be needed. Also BT armor (at least Grimmy's) has targeting reticules.

I do find it odd that commissars are considered too 'lowly' to command generals, colonels and such.. that's pretty much in their role (although it could be Grimaldus is speaking in a political sense, since politics is a power base all its own in the Imperium.)

I also like how ADB generally handles and depicts Yarrick here. As usual, he does a good job portraying the characters he is writing.

Page 40
"At current estimates, we have over fifty thousand Astartes in the Armageddon subsector, and thirty times the number of Imperial Guardsmen. And it will still not be enough to secure a clean victory. At our best estimations, Battlefleet Armageddon, the orbital defences, and the Astartes fleets remaining in the void will be able to deny the enemy landing for nine days. "
...
"Admiral Parol of Battlefleet Armageddon has outlined his plan and uploaded it to the tactical network for all commanders to review. Once the orbital war is lost, be it four days or nine, our fleets will break from the planet in a fighting withdrawal."
Scope of the defenses in the Armageddon subsector and IG forces available, which is interesting considering the 'millions of steel legion' hinted at later. Also the 4-9 day timeframe for the Orks to fight insystem.

Page 44
Grimaldus was silent for several moments, just watching the colossal road and the thousands upon thousands of conveyances making their way along it in both directions.
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"whoever holds Hel’s Highway holds the beating heart of the city in their hands. They will have unprecedented, unstoppable ability to manoeuvre troops and armour. Even Titans will move faster, at perhaps twice the speed than if they had to stalk through hive towers and city blocks."
Hel's Highway - the main roadway into and out of HElsreach, and an estimate of the speed advantage it conveys.

Page 51
Militia numbers, conscripted and volunteer. Training regimes and training schedules. Weapon supplies. Ammunition supplies for the civilian population currently under arms.
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Hive Defence Forces, straddling the line between militia and Guard.
Outline of differences between Militia and PDF, as well as differences form Guard.

Page 52
And the manufactories themselves. Industrial plants churning out legions of tanks, all of various classes. Other manufactories where shells are made and dispatched for use.
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The Helsreach Docks, greatest port on the planet. Coastal defences – walls and turrets and anti-air towers – and trade requirements and union complaints and petitions arguing over docking rights and warehouses appropriated as barracks for soldiers and complaints from merchants and dock-officers and…
Industrial and commercial/dock aspect sof Helsreach hive.. lots of negotiation and politics and unions tied up even there.

Page 57
Four thousand anti-air turrets along the hive’s towering walls primed and aimed their multiple barrels into the sky.
Atop countless spires and manufactory rooftops, secondary defence lasers did the same.
Helsreach defenses. Note the reference to 'secondary' defence lasers.. whether they are secondary to the anti-air turrets, or this is a distinction between classes of defence laser (anti ship, and anti-air) we don't know.. it could go either way. Defence lasers vary.

Page 62
"This is the greatest of Armageddon’s port cities. We are about to be assaulted by the largest greenskin-breed xenos invasion ever endured by the Imperium of Man."
Third Armageddon is the 'largest' Greenskin war to date. Considering some in the past have been mentioned to have billions, this gives you a good idea of the threat.

Page 63
The Titans themselves stood watch over the wastelands in austere vigil – nineteen of them in total, ranging from the smaller twelve-crew Warhound-classes, to the larger Reaver- and Warlord-classes.
The available strength of Legion Invigilata. and the crew complement of a Warhound (or at least of this Legion.)

Page 64-65
The battle-class Titans were walking weapons platforms, capable of levelling hive blocks. Stormherald was a walking fortress. Its weapons could level cities. Its legs, capable of supporting the weight of this colossal sixty-metre war machine, were bastions – barracks – with turrets and arched windows for the troops transported within to fire at the foe even as their Titan crushed them underfoot.
Capabilities of battle-titans and Emperor Titans. Emperors are 60 m here, and can demolish cities. Battle titans (which I assume means both Reaver and Warlord) can demolish hive blocks (which may or may not mean multiple blocks...) 'block' is not a definitive term, but depending on sources it oculd be hundreds of metres up to a kilometre (or more) in all dimensions. What 'level' means as far as damage isn't explicit eithre, and it doesn't clarify if its per weapon or for a combined volley, but its still a pretty broad indicator.

Page 65-66
The soldiers facing them were called skitarii. These were the elite of the Adeptus Mechanicus infantry forces – a fusion of integrated weapon augmetics and the human form. Grimaldus, like many Astartes, regarded their unsubtle flesh-manipulation and the crude surgeries bestowing weapons upon their limbs as making them little more than glorified servitors, and equally wretched in their own way.
Skitarii. Again they're more like cyborg battle servitors than IG with fancier gear and some robot parts.

PAge 66
A human would have missed the division within their unified speech, but Grimaldus’s senses could trace the minute deviations in the way they spoke. Four of them started and finished words a fraction of a second later than the others. Whatever mind-link bound the twelve warriors, it was more efficient in some than others. While his experience with the servants of the Machine-God was limited, he found this a curious flaw.
I imagine this sort of linkup is a valuable coordination tool in combat, but it obviously has limitations.

Page 71
"I command one-third of this Legio. The rest already walks in defence of the Hemlock region, many with your brothers, the Salamanders."
The nineteen titans mentioend before is 1/3 of Invigilata. Which means between fifty five and sixty engines, approximately. Assuming this is an average for a Legion (which it may not be) we're talking hundreds of thousands, perhaps millions of titans in the Imperium, depending on the number of Forge Worlds and Legions we figure on.

Page 78
"But we have a greater comprehension of enemy numbers now. The four to nine day estimate has been abandoned, as of thirty minutes ago. This is the greatest greenskin fleet ever to face the Imperium. The fleet’s casualties are approaching a million souls. One or two more days, at best."
Comment on the status of the space battle against the Orks, including space-going losses on the Imperial side.

Page 78-79
"Send a Titan." Commissar Falkov smiled without any humour whatsoever, and the room fell quiet. "I am not making a jest. Send a Titan to obliterate the wreckage. Inspire the men. Give them an overwhelming victory before the true battle is even joined. Morale among the Steel Legion is mediocre at best. It is lower still among the volunteer militia, and barely existent among the conscripts. So send a Titan. We need first blood in this war."
...
"The commissar is correct." he said. "Helsreach needs an overwhelming victory. The benefit to morale among the human forces would be considerable."
Titans apparently can (eventually, within a fairly reasonable timeframe) demolish a crashed strike cruiser with their firepower. Also, we see a Commissar whose actually interested in doing his job as keeper of IG morale rather than just a guy who shoots people in the head for the slightest reason.

Page 81
Priamus narrowed his eyes, his pupils flicking across his field of vision to lock targeting reticules on the brutish shapes swarming in the darkness of the wide, lightless corridor.
More targeting sights in power armour. ADB really uptechs them doesn't he? :P

Page 84
The Apothecary blink-clicked several visualiser runes on his retinal display.
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Nerovar frowned at what the digital readouts across his eye lenses were telling him. He looked to the bulky narthecium unit built into his left bracer.
...
Nerovar tapped a code into the multicoloured buttons next to the display screen on his armoured forearm. Runic text scrolled in a blur.
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"I’ve lost Priamus’s life signs, sir. No heightened returns, just an immediate severance."
Life sign monitors tied directly to the Apothecary

Page 85-86
The scrap-weapon bucked in the greenskin’s hands. A claw of charged, crackling metal fired from the alien device and crunched into the knight’s chest. There was a moment of stinging pain as his suit’s interface tendrils, the connection spikes lodged in his muscles and bones, crackled with an overload of power.

Then his vision went black. His armour fell silent, and became heavier on his shoulders and limbs. Out of power. They’d deactivated his armour.
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Priamus tore his helm clear just in time to see the alien racking his scrap-weapon like a primitive solid-slug launcher. The claw embedded in his chest armour, defiling the Templar cross there, was still connected to the device by a cable of chains and wires. Priamus raised his blade to sever the bond even as the alien laughed and pulled a second trigger.
This time, the channelled force didn’t just overload his armour’s electrical systems. It burned through the neural connections and muscle interfaces, blasting agony through the swordsman’s body.
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Priamus crashed to the ground fourteen seconds later, when the agony finally ceased.
Ork stungun/jawa disruptor type weapon. Disables power armour on first shot, shocks the Marine into unconsciousness over 14 seconds.

Page 87
Grimaldus swung his mace two-handed, pounding the first alien back. The sparking force field around the weapon’s head flashed as it reacted with opposing kinetic force, and amplified the already inhuman strike to insane levels of strength. The greenskin was already dead, its skull obliterated, as it flew twenty metres back down the corridor to smash into a damaged bulkhead.
Crozius vs Ork skull. Considerable momentum (hundreds of kg ork sent back many meters per second) although at least part of that comes form the crozius strike's explosive effects, it would seem. Crozius field also behaves like other blunt power weapons (releasing an explosive discharge of force/energy to demolish target - thunder hammers, powerfists, power mauls, etc.) Considering Ork masses are many times greater than a human, the effects to pulverize the skull are likewise going to be many times greater than with a normal human, not even accounting for differences in durability.

Page 88
Grimaldus’s targeting reticule flicked over his brother’s prone body, then locked onto the scrap-weapon carried by the orks he’d killed.
I'm betting it locks onto power source or something similar. Again power armour systems seem to have an.. 'aware' or computer element. Not the first time this is suggested either.

Page 89
"Some kind of nerve weapon." Nerovar was still scanning him. "It attacked your nervous system through the interface feeds from your armour."
May suggest an interesting way of bypassing power armour defenses.

Page 97
The knights stood and watched as xenos landers touched down on the plains several kilometres from the city. Even from this distance, the Templars could make out hordes of greenskins spilling from the grounded ships, mustering on the wastelands.
The range of the Orks from the city. We dont know how many 'several' is, but its at least 3 km, but still within line of sight (EG the horizon) - which given the height of the walls (shorter than a Warlord and Imperator titan at least) is less than 25-30 km.

Page 98-99
Thousands upon thousands of orks bellowing their racial war cry.
They were charging.
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Charging alongside grumbling, rickety vehicles; troop-carriers stolen from the Imperium and subsequently junked in the spirit of alien ‘improvement’; growling tanks that already lobbed shells that fell far short of the city walls; even great beasts of burden, the size of scout-class Titans, with scrap-metal howdahs on their rocking backs, filled with howling orks.

"We have sixteen minutes before they reach the range of the wall-guns," Nerovar said. "Twenty-two before they reach the gates, if their rate of advance remains unaltered."
Assuming a 3-4 m/s running pace, this would imply they are 4-5 km away. At 10 m/s (olmypic athlete speeds) they would be 13 km away. 6 minutes for the wall guns to fire is between 1-1.5 km and 3.6 km. Vehicle speeds cannot be used because the vehicles are seemingly maintaining a rough pace with the charging orks.

also Ork gun 'range' is similar to that, but they aren't firing back. Titans are not firing at this range either. Considering that Titans can in other sources (EG Titanicus) reach out more than a few km, this is a bit curious.

Page 105
More than that, it’s a furious response – the first time the defenders can vent their rage at the invaders. Every soldier in the line squeezes their triggers, letting their lasrifles shout for them, spitting death down at the foe. Las-bolts tear into green flesh, ripping orks open, throwing them to the ground far below to be pulped under the boots of their kin.
Lasguns vs Orks. They seem to be blowing holes in them, although not exactly blasting them (or parts of them apart). Hard to say how big the holes are, although if they're reaching deep enough to hit the organs, they're probably either highly penetrative 'tunnelling' lasers (the ones that punch a deep but narrow hole through one or more targets) or they are blowing explosive craters out (less penetration and more area of effect.) Or perhaps some mix.

Page 106
The one alien that touches down on the wall lasts less than a heartbeat. The creature is bayoneted in the throat, the eye, the chest and both legs by half a dozen soldiers, and their rifles blast the beast back over the edge.
This owuld likely suggest some sort of explosive vaporization going on. and probably quite significant at that.

Assuming a 200 kg Ork blasted back at .5 m/s we're talking 100 kg*m/s worth of momentum. If the lasbolts imparts 2000 m/s velocity to the vaporized material we're talking at least 100 kj.. probably several times that with inefficiencies. We dont know how many hsots, but even with scores we're talking at *least* single digit kj, and I'm probably lowballing this thing like hell.

Page 107 - lasgun fire described as 'precision beams of laser light'

Page 114
"The Valdez oil platforms. Didn’t you study Helsreach before you were posted here? Where do you think half of the hive cities in Armageddon Secundus get their fuel from? They take it in here from the offshore platforms and cook it into promethium for the rest of the continent."
This is interesting for two reasons. First, Armageddon still has natural resources it can exploit, at least in terms of oil. IIRC the Fire Wastes also have mining going on. So despite being industrially vital for hundreds/thousands of light years around, and presumably having an INSANE industrial output commensurate with its huge ass hive population (hundreds of billions) and relative polution, it still isn't tapped for resources despite thousands of years. This could be one reason it is considered economically important, but it also shows yet another stratification of what a 'hive' city really is. Necromunda-type hives, for example, are totally dependent upon imports and efficient recycling to sustain themselves, and their output is purely material and human.

The second interesting point is that promethium here is apparently oil - petrochemicals from the ground, although it has to be 'made' into it - whether this is refinement or some other process that is involved (Additives and such, like the sometimes-added nephium from FFG) we don't know.

Page 117
Linked with Stormherald, the god-machine’s ever-present rumbling anger infected her like a chemical injected into her mind. Even in moments of peace, it was difficult to focus on anything but wrath.

To share a mind with Stormherald was to dwell within a maze of memories that were not her own. Stormherald had looked upon countless battlefields for hundreds of years before Princeps Zarha was even born. She had only to shut down the imagefinders that now served as her eyes, and as the hazy image of her milky surroundings faded to nothing, she could remember deserts she had never seen, wars she had never fought, glories she had never won.

Stormherald’s voice in her mind was an unrelenting murmur, a hum of quiet tension, like a low-burning fire. It challenged her, with wordless growls, to taste of the victories it had tasted for so long – to swim beneath the surface memories and surrender to them. Its spirit was a proud and indefatigable machine-soul, and it hungered not only for the fiery maelstrom of war, but also the cold exaltation of triumph. It felt the banners of past wars that hung from its metal skin, and it knew fierce, unbreakable pride.
...
"My princeps, the adepts of the soul are reporting discontent within Stormherald’s heart. We are getting anomalous readings of ill-temper from the reactor core."
...
"You are… operating at peak capacity? You are sanguine?"
"Are you querying if I am at risk of being consumed by Stormherald’s heart?"
An interesting little exchange in how it shows the nature of a Titan's machine spirit and it's relationship to the Princeps, at least in this case. The memory gestalt is not a new thing (ITs mentioned in Green's armageddon novels) and we know its 'imprint' often is of an animal, which suggests a simple, base and feral nature.

I'm not sure how I would extrapolate beyond this.. Titans aren't exactly mass produced machines, and given the care and attention lavished on them by the AdMech it is quite likely that despite bieng 'patterns' they all have their own little quirks and variations, just as capital ships do. So while some Titans may have that 'memory' thing, and controlling them is a constant struggle, others could be relatively more docile and cooperative with their princeps. Hell we know from Fire Warrior that newly built titans are almost like newborns, so we might even chalk up the differences to the age and number of princeps the Titan has had - the collective memories/gestalt of all those pilots will have its influence on the machine spirit and its temperament too, I imagine.

Page 119
...he didn’t think he could manage another dry meal of preserved rations. Tomaz glanced at several packets of unopened, densely packed grain tablets on the table.
Current food rations in Helsreach. Better than recycled dead bodies or some of the other alternatives like algae or fungus. Actually by 40K standards this is rather high living. I wonder if the grain comes from offplanet, the rations as a whole come form offplanet, or it is made on Armageddon somewhere (hydroponics? It's not unheard of for some hive worlds.)

Page 120
And they were somehow busier than before, despite the fact there was only half the manpower on the crews. Teams of Steel Legionnaires and menial servitors manned the many anti-air turrets along the dockside and the warehouse rooftops.
Servitor manned guns. Whether pressed from other takss and modified or if they were custom designed for that duty, I don't know.

Page 121
"There must be millions of them out there."
"Without a doubt."
"Hundreds of tribes… You can make out their banners…"
Implied scale of the threat at Armageddon. How many millions we dont know. Contrast with 'hundreds of thousands' of troops mentioned for Helsreach.

Page 124
"It’s Mechanicus territory!"
"I do not care. If I am right in my suspicions, there is a weapon there. I want that weapon, Cyria Tyro. And I will have it."
...
"If it was something that would help with the war," she said, "The Mechanicus would have deployed it by now."
"I do not believe that, and I am surprised that you do. The Mechanicus has committed a great deal in the defence of Armageddon. That does not mean they have the same stake in the war that we do. I have battled alongside the Cult of Mars many times. They breathe secrecy instead of air."
Grimaldus has a point. We've seen countless times the secrecy and manipulation the AdMech will utilize to serve their own ends, and it is only politics or oaths/alleigances that may bring them to these cases (We know there was a Titan Legion on Armageddon, that probably provides a connection as to why they are here now.) It is an industiral world and they may have some ties to it because of that, but it isn't one of their sovereign domains or a forge world, so they won't commit to it to the same level they would to their own worlds.

That said, there may be some good reasons why they don't, hinted at later, so even if Grimaldus were right about the AdMech in genral that does not mean that the weapon isn't stored away for good reason. At the very least, keeping the weapon out of Greenskin hands (having it berthed here) should be of importance to them if nothing else. It is an Ordinatus after all. That their usual 'keep the tech safe at all costs' mentality has not driven them to pull it offplanet (CF Execution Hour and the AdMech dropping ships in to haul out valuable tech on a planet the Planet Killer was going to destroy) actually lends credence to their worries.

Page 127-128
Domoska muttered the Litany of Focus as she looked through the sight of her lasrifle. She blinked behind her sunglare goggles, then raised them to look through the gunsight again without the tinted lenses darkening her vision.
...
"That." she pointed into the sky, close to the horizon. Nothing was visible to the naked eye, and Andrej groped on the coat laid out on the ground, reaching for his detached gunsight.
Beyond visual range suggests maybe hundreds, perhaps even thousands of km (borne out by the fact the Thunderhawk passes over range shortly) but it gives an indicator perhaps of the range of a Storm trooper gunsight.

PAge 132
. Storm-troopers were the best of the best, and their distance from regular troops often bred a little… uniqueness… into their attitudes.
Not unlike rough Riders, light infantry, Catachan jungle fighters, Grenadiers, Sentinel pilots, and quite possibly armoured and armoured fist units. Basically the more veteran/experienced/specialist units other than 'line infantry' can be expected to be more mentally flexible, independently minded, and initiative driven than the rank and file conscripts. They are also probably more professional, dedicated, and such.

Page 134
"This is a magnetic field stabiliser housing." he said at one point, walking around what looked to Cyria like an oversized tank engine as big as a Chimera APC.
..
"...what application does this have in Imperial technology?"

"That’s close to what I meant, yes. What is its purpose?"

"Magnetic fields of significant size and intensity are difficult to create and a struggle to maintain. Many of these units would be required to work in synchronicity, stabilising a powerful field of magnetic force. Such standard constructs as this housing are used in anti-gravitational technology, much of which is kept sealed by Mechanicus secrecy. More commonly, the Imperial Navy would use these units in the construction and maintenance of starship-sized magnetic accelerator rings. Plasma weapon technology, on a grand scale."
Interesting in that magnetic fields seem to play a role in Imperial antigrav, which might mean some sort of maglev train rather than actual artificial gravity. It also is linked to plasma weapons tech (like a particle beam) which is also interesting, as we learn later this facility houses a nova cannon. Whether there is a conneciton we don't know, but it is interesting.

Page 134
"This is only the installation’s first level. From the angle of the buried roadway, I would conjecture that the complex proceeds beneath the earth for at least a kilometre. From my knowledge of template patterns used in Mechanicus facility construction, it is more likely to be two or three kilometres deep."
Estimated depth of the facility. This does not seem especially unusual for AdMech facilities, given what the TechMarine implies.

Page 135
"Do not apply force to the doors. These are, as you have seen, each no less than four metres thick. While you will eventually hammer through to the other side, it will not be a rapid endeavour, and such violence is likely to activate the installation’s significant defences"
Grimladus' crozius could eventually penetrate a 4 metre thick door guarding the adMech facility.

Page 136
". The application of force, no matter how righteous, brother, will trigger the machinery behind these holes – and the same holes in many other corridors and chambers throughout the complex – to release a toxic gas. It is my estimation that the gas would attack the nervous system and respiration above all, making it especially lethal to fully biological intruders"
The Master of the Forge nodded pointedly to Cyria.
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"From automated las-turrets to void-shield screens."
Defenses of the facility. It all seems robotic. Obviously the Astartes aren't worred about chemical/nerve weapons.

PAge 136-137
"It is magnificent. This would survive orbital bombardment. Even the use of cyclonic torpedoes against nearby hives would barely harm the protection around this chamber. It is void-shielded, armoured like no bunker I have ever seen… and sealed with… with a billion or more individual codes."
More on the security of the Ordinatus facility. A billion or more indviidual codes seems.. alot. Especially given what they can do later. Also the level of armour and void shielding could protect the facility from the bombardment of nearby hives even with cyclonics, which hints at tactical use of cyclonics (at least in some cases.) I guess that makes them the new nukes in 40K.

PAge 137
As they returned to the surface, Cyria’s hand-vox crackled for her attention, and a signal rune pulsed on Grimaldus’s retinal display.
Comms signals delivered to both, via different approaches. hand voxes assigned even to adjutants.

PAge 138
"The Old Man’s predictions were correct, as you suspected. The enemy is annihilating Hades Hive from orbit. It is crudely done. Standard bombardment, with mass drivers to hurl asteroids at a defenceless city."
The asteroid bombardment of hades hive. It seems that the Orks have and can use mass drivers, at least on a starship scale. That it is 'standard bombardment' suggests it is quite similar on the Imperial side, and that they might employ it as well. (Exterminatus prow weapon perhaps? :P)

Page 140-141
As the sun was setting, Helsreach shook with thunder to match the maelstrom taking place on the wastelands. Stormherald was leading several of its metal kin to the walls, where the largest – the battle-class Titans – could fire over the battlements once the enemy came in range.
The Guard were ordered to abandon the walls for hundreds of metres around the god-machines. The sound of their weapons discharging would be deafening to anyone too close, and even being near the gigantic guns could be lethal, with the amount of energy they unleashed as they fired.
Again the Titans are taller than the defensive walls of Helsreach, which sets an upper limit on their height and the range of the weapons. Also, the crews have to be hundreds of metres away from the guns or risk severe burns. I'd guess that means at least tens or hundreds of tons of TNT energy-equivalent, possibly single digit kilotons (Depending on how many hundreds of metres and the sort of lethality assumed, and the protection involved) Alternately, think of it as mid to high GJ to low TJ. :P

Page 144-146
"Necessity is not enough. You may not harness Oberon on a whim, Grimaldus."
...
"It is sealed now because it must be sealed. It is not used now because it cannot be used."
...
"No. Grimaldus, please stop this. You will tear the Mechanicus forces on the world apart. It is a matter of the greatest import to the servants of the Machine-God. Oberon cannot be reactivated. It would be blasphemy to use it in battle."
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"I am ordered by my superiors to see you dead before you continue this course of action. This can only end one way. I ask you now, before the final threats must be spoken. Please do not do this. The insult to the Mechanicus would be infinite."
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"You do not understand. It would be blasphemy for Oberon to enter battle. The sacred war platforms must be blessed by the Lord of the Centurio Ordinatus. Their machine-spirits would be enraged without this appeasement. Oberon will never function."
...
"Yes. The soul of the machine will rebel. If it even awakens, it will be wrathful."
...
"You are not permitted to defile Oberon’s body. To remove the cannon would be to sever its head or remove its heart."
The Crone (the leader of Invigilata) and Grimaldus discuss the Ordinatus. This is all from the Crone's side, but it highlights the essential points. And despite the fact there is probably a fair bit of AdMech silliness involved (like removing the nova cannon) I actually believe this isn't just AdMech bullshit secrecy. Partly because the Crone is using reason to deal with Grimaldus rather than threats, and partly because we've just seen how the Titan's machine spirit can be... dangerous unless it is restrained or controlled. What if the same is true of the Ordinatus, which is bigger, more ancient, and more powerful? This isn't a trivial concern - Ordinatus can be massively destructive.

It is also interesting to speculate why this danger exists. It could be as simple as the nature of the design (the kind of imprint, like with Titans, or the memories/minds aggregated inside the machine) or it coudl be some sort of dickish 'safety mechanism' the AdMech deliberately installed - they are still the AdMech, and secretive about anyone but them using their tech, so deliberately designing a vehicle to go berserk unless they can control it is not beyond their capabilities.

Page 149
"‘I would laugh," Nero said, "if there weren’t so many of them. They outnumber Invigilata’s engines at a ratio of six-to-one. "
given 19 engines, we're probably talking 100-120 or so Gargants. While they may not be as individually powerful as the Battle Titans, I bet they're easily a match for (or better than) the scout titans individually, and even then there's alot more of them. Moreover, we can easily imagine many hundreds, even thousands of gargants on Armageddon as a whole.

Page 159
A spear crashes against my helm, reducing my visor display to static for a moment. I swing back at the creature that hurled it, and my sight flickers back online to see the beast’s skull demolished beneath my crozius. More discoloured blood spatters over my armour in a light rainfall.
...
...the other to my maul, hammered into its chest and sending it flying against the wall of a nearby building.
...
I can feel its charge and release with each alien that dies. There is a split second before every impact as the energy field around the head pulses in a low growl, conflicted by the closeness of other material, before it unleashes its force in a snapping burst of kinetic power.
The explosive qualities of the Crozius again.

Page 160
Colonel Sarren watched the battle unfolding on the hololithic table. Stuttering images relayed the position of Imperial forces at the very edges of the city, inexorably withdrawing from the walls. Larger locator runes showed the position of Invigilata’s engines, or battalions of Steel Legion tanks.
Another example of a 'rare', and 'lost' technology hololithic table. Used by the Guard. It aslo seems to be a realtime feed as well, or close to it.

Page 161
Her Lightning, with its white-painted wings, had ploughed into the chest of an alien god-walker. The Titan had shuddered for a moment, then vented flames and wreckage from its spine as Helika’s bird – now nothing more than spinning debris – burst through its back.

The gargant kept walking as if unharmed, even with a hole blown clear through it.
Titan's body is penetrated by collision with a Lightning fighter, overpenetrates due to momentum, but moves on as if unharmed. So their armour perhaps isn't the greatest at withtstanding fire, but their construction means they can still absorb tremendous punishment and keep fighting. Not unlike the Orks themselves.
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Part 2

Page 164-165
The need to turn around and pour its hatred into the enemy was fierce, a hunter’s urge, almost strong enough to overwhelm the Crone’s whispers in its mind.

The Crone. Her presence was a savage irritant. Again, Stormherald leaned as it walked, seeking to turn with its ponderous, striding slowness. And again, the Crone’s claws in its mind forced its body to comply with her intent.
...
Stormherald’s rage faded at her voice. There was something new in her words, something its predator’s mind clutched and recognised immediately. A fear. A doubt. A plea.

The Crone was weaker now than she ever had been before.

Stormherald knew nothing of pleasure or amusement. Its soul was forged in ancient rites of fire, molten metal, and plasmic energy that churned with the ferocity of a caged sun. The closest it came to an emotion approximating pleasure was the rush of awareness and the dimming of its painful anger as enemies died under its guns.

It felt a ghost of that sensation now. It complied with her urgings now, still bound to her control.
But the Crone was weaker.

Soon, she would be his
Titan machine spirit POV. Again we note the conflict of wills between Princeps and MAchine.

Page 165
Domoska crouched behind a low wall, clutching her hellgun to her chest. Strapped to her back, her power pack hummed. The cable-feeds between her hellgun’s intake port and the backpack were vibrating and hot.
Storm trooper powerpack.. the noise and thermal signature are not.. very stealthy.

Page 166
Across Helsreach, it was almost uniformly veteran outfits and storm-trooper squads tasked with these movements. Colonel Sarren was using his best soldiers to achieve the most difficult operations.
veterans equated to Storm troopers, at least in this regard.

PAge 166
Her auspex returns were coming back clear. No enemy heat signatures or movement nearby.
...
"This is Domoska." she whispered into her hand-vox.
Storm troopers outfitted with auspex, but also hand voxes rathe than micro beads.

Page 167-168
He had said he would need over a week, and closer to two. He no longer believed this. This would take weeks, months… perhaps even years.

The codes that kept the impenetrable bunker doors sealed were beautiful in their artistry – clearly the work of many masters of the Mechanicus.
..
"This might take me months. Perhaps years. As the code evolves, it breeds sub-ciphers that – in turn – require dedicated cracking. It breeds like an ecology, always changing, reacting to my intrusions by evolving into more complex systems."
...
This sealing code was one of the most complex creations humanity had pieced together from its various spheres of knowledge. Destroying it afflicted him with a pain akin to that which an artist would feel in destroying a priceless painting.

Runes spilled across his retinal display in green lettering. He solved six of the scrolling codes in the space of a single breath. The final five involved additional calculations based on the parameters established by the previous ones.
The code evolved. It reacted to his interference like a living thing, its ancient spirit fighting against his manipulations. So, so beautiful, Jurisian thought as he worked. Damn Grimaldus for asking this of him.

His servitors stood behind him, slack-jawed, dull-eyed and slowly starving to death.
Remember the 'billion or more' individual codes he mentioend before? Not only are there huge numbers, but they're self adapting. Considering the insane shit that scrapcode can do (CF MEchanicum) it is hardly surprising that high end stuff might be like this.

Page 175
Draconian’s reactor-heart, a boiling cauldron of plasmic fusion, was growing cold and still.
Titan reactor described as 'plasmic fusion'

Page 178
He may not have been as connected to Stormherald’s burning heart as the princeps was, but his own bonds with the god-walker were not devoid of intimate familiarity. Through his weaker tie to the engine’s semi-sentient core, he felt a depth of fury that was almost addictive in its all-encompassing purity. The passion transferred through his empathic link into grim irritability, and he had to resist the urge to curse the inefficiency of those around him as he guided the Titan onwards
Stormherald's AI/machine spirit seems to actualy have its own sentience (once again.) This may reflect its own age or sophistication (it is an Imperator class after all) or it may reflect the class itself (Imperators are far above battle titans.)

Page 178
Valian was immersed, just for a moment, in the wash of exterior imagery fed through the mind-link. Hundreds of pict-takers, each one showing pristine silvery skin, or dense armour – cracked and pitted with its legacy of small arms fire.
The Imperator has hundreds of cameras


Page 178
Stormherald’s iron bones were thrice-blessed by tech-ministers even before they were brought together as the skeleton of a god-machine. Each of the million cogs, gears, rivets and plates of armour used in the Imperator’s birth was honed to perfection and blessed before becoming part of the Titan’s body.
Titan construction. No wonder they take so fucking long!


Page 182
...tanks, Imperial Leman Russ chassis looted and ‘improved’ with crooked armour panels bolted on and painted in mismatched hues.
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"And there’s no need to shoot me. They’ll shell this block to rubble and do it for you."
...
The west wall chose that moment to explode. Debris burst into the room, filling it with stone dust. Through his goggles, Ryken stared at a hole the size of three grown men in hab-block’s wall.
Although looted, it may stand as an example of Leman Russ firepower, though hard to calculate (a hole several meters in diameter at least, possibly 5-6 m, although without wall thickness its hard to calc. 3 tanks being able to demolish a block (assume ~40 shells each) would imply each shell demolishing a 20 m diameter (or so) circle perfectly. Whether that is cratering (which could be many uhndreds of kilos of TNT equivalent) or merely just blast effects. Harder for me to find data on merely just blast effects, but I'd gather that the effects for just blast would be somewhere between a 120 and 155mm shell.

Page 183
The tanks were another matter. The first shell crashed into the gunship’s side with a storm’s force, and Ryken flinched back from the detonation. It spun the gunship on its axis, sending burning wind breathing from its boosters as it turned. In reaction to the attack, the avian shape gained altitude in a sudden thrust, banked over the first of the tanks, and at last dropped its cargo.
A Land speeder masses some 3.5 tonnes, so I imagine the momentum of the shell is at least 3500 kg*m/s, although the dividing line between impact and detonation makes it hard to judge. Eithre way it survives the impacts and doesn't have significant momentum imparted. (The astartes also survive)

Page 184
With the brilliance of a sun-flare, Grimaldus’s plasma pistol disintegrated two of the climbing beasts, letting their burning skeletal remains tumble in pieces back into the horde.
Grimadlus' plasma pistol seems to burn the flesh off the ork's skeletons (and possibly some of the skeletons) in partial cremation. Assuming 200 kg orks and 70% flesh we're talking at least 350 MJ, although this is distinctly thermal, flamethrower-like effects rather than a high velocity particle beam like plasma weapon.

PAge 195
One of them dwarfs his piggish brethren. His armour makes him twice the size of us, looking like scrap metal and primitive, chugging power generators bolted onto an exoskeletal frame.
Power armoured Ork is 1-2x the mass of an Astartes.. call it between 500-1000 kg maybe.

Page 199-200
"Stormherald has taken her," Moderati Carsomir said, his voice low. "She was ancient, and had oppressed her will over the Titan’s core for many years"
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"She is gone from us, Reclusiarch. The shame of it all, the rage of defeat. We all felt the Titan rush into her. Her mind has joined the union of all previous princeps, amalgamated in the Titan’s core. Her soul is buried as surely as her body would be in a grave."
More commentary on the nature of the Titan's machine spirit. It seems that it can, if permitted.. "possess' or at least overwhelm the mind/spirit of the princeps commanding it... and the machine spirit itself has something of all previous princeps that commanded it meshed with whatever its basic core is. This is alot like the Warlord from the Green Armageddon novels, although it wasn't so... aggressive.

Page 216-217
"We are receiving anomalous reports from the Valdez Oil Platforms. The coastal auspex readers are suffering from offshore storms, but there are no storms off the coast."
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“The auspex readers look to be suffering some kind of directed interference. We believe they’re being jammed.”
Ork jamming of coastal auspex. An attack by sea :P

Page 223
“…storm-trooper battalions to assemble...”
Storm troopers organized in battalions at Helsreach.

Page 224
“Tempestus will fall, no matter what we do. A hive half our size, and with half our defences.”
The hives on Armageddon, much like on Neromunda are of variable size.

Page 231
The air across the entire world might have always reeked of something faintly sulphuric, but here – at the heart of Helsreach’s industry – the reek bordered on petrochemically unhealthy. It only took an hour for a person’s clothes and hair to become saturated with the greasy, heavy stink of spilled oil and ammoniac seawater. Lifers, the dockworkers who spent their entire careers here, hacked up a fair share of blackness when they hawked and spat. Respiratory tumours were the second-largest cause of death among the populace, only behind industrial accidents by a small margin.
Armageddon’s docks and the working conditions. That’s more hive like for you!

Page 232
”Every dock gang, and every group of fifty people, will have a storm-trooper with them. “
That means there are roughly 800 storm troopers or so present. IT was mentioned that there were some 39,000 or so dock workers earlier.

Page 233
”For the next few days, you’re in the Imperial Guard. First rule of the Guard: Go forward. If you get lost, you go forward. You lose your way? You go forward. You fall away from your group? You go towards the enemy. That’s where you’ll do the most good, and that’s where you’ll find your friends. “
IG rules and the implication that it is possible to conscript civilians (temporarily) into the Guard. militia probably? This may or may not be part of official guard rules.

Page 237
Andrej was adjusting the slide rack settings on his modified lasrifle. The weapon emitted a pulsing, charged hum that set the dockmaster’s teeth on edge.
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Andrej finished his ministrations, gesturing to the thick power cables feeding from the rifle’s bulky stock to the humming metal power pack he wore between his shoulders. “We call them hellguns. Like yours, only brighter and louder and hotter and meaner. And no, you cannot have one. This is mine. They are rare, and only given to people who are right all the time.”
Hellgun described and some of the differences. The main interesting thing is the ‘slide rack’ settings, which seems interesting given that its implied Andrej needs to ‘pump’ his weapon like a shotgun to recharge it. It could be this is what passes for the hellgun’s charge settings, although it would cut into the weapon’s rate of fire.

Page 237
”This is a det-pack.” He tapped the hand-sized detonator disc hanging from his belt. “Used for sticking to tanks and making them explode into many pretty pieces.”
Det pack. Whether it is like a melta bomb or some sort of krak munition (or something else!) we dont know.

Page 240
The very first of the alien beasts to spill from its underwater scrap-pod was a brute, easily half again the size of its lesser brethren, bearing a trophy rack on its hunched shoulders with human skulls and Astartes helms from other wars on other worlds. It had been leading its tribe across the edges of the Imperium for decades, and in a fight with all else even, would have been more than a match for a lone Astartes.

Its face, shoulder and torso disintegrated in a ruthless volley of las-fire that sent the burning remains spinning off the edge of the docks and into the polluted water below. Less than a hundred metres away, Domoska shouted encouragement to the dockworkers she led, and ordered them to fire again. Many had missed, but more than enough had struck home.
Lasgun calcing time! Earlier we were told that one stormtrooper per 50 or so people were fired. And that group managed to blow apart the upper body of an Ork. Orks we know are already many times more massive than a person.. at least a good 3-4x bigger, and this ork is half again larger, so it is 5-6x bigger. We could calc this several ways. Two simple and one using the laser death ray calculator (which is messier.)

Using the LRD calcualator on Luke Campbells site, assuming gristle for Ork tissues. Assume a 1x1 meter area blasted apart and 50 lasguns managing to strike all at once, we’re probably talking a hole 15-20 cm in diameter or so. Given the parameters of a 10 ms delay btween shots and a 5mm spot diameter for the laser, and assuming a very low 15 cm thickness for ork torsos, we’re talking a good 150-200 kj per shot (in 10, 15-20 kj pulses) you can fiddle with pulses and pulse energy to improve penetration (15 pulses at 15 kj produces 17 cm diameter hole max and ~19 cm penetration for example) but its going to be roughly in that benchmark.

More simply we assume 400 j per sq cm to flash vaporize the flesh to the bone off an ork body. Again with the 1x1 m area assumed we’re talking 4 MJ. Divide that by 50 lasguns and you get 80 kj per shot.

Option 3 is comparing it to grenades. We know one grenade (or a stick of dynamite) which is around the order of 1 MJ can blow apart a human torso, as per Mythbusters epsiodes like I’ve covered in the bolter firepower thread. We earlier estimated it at 5-6x mass of a normal human, so we might figure 5-6 grenade equivalents to blow apart, which gets between 100-120 kj.

Overall I think it would be safe to say the lasguns are either in the double to triple digit kj per shot range, although it certainly doesn’t rule out MJ range shots :P

This doesn’t even include body armor, the fact Orks are tougher and more resilient than humans by default, or that most of those troopers probably missed their targets (and its unlikely they ALL concentrated on that lead ork anyhow.) I’d still say it took at least a couple lasguns (probably more like half a dozen or more) to do that damage, but it tkaes far fewer than 50 as well, so it should be accurate to within an order of magnitude or so. There’s also the issue of lasgun quality - they may be Steel Legion or pdf issue, we dont know, and they’re being used by conscripts.

Page 241
The storm-trooper didn’t look at him, didn’t even glance away from where he was aiming and firing. Another migraine-bright beam of overcharged energy spat from the soldier’s hellgun.

“The slides often jam on new rifles. This is a sad truth with the rifles of our home world.”
...
“I fired a Kantrael rifle once.” Andrej was continuing, his words punctuated by slight shifts in his posture and aim as he tracked target after target, releasing round after round. “It was a very keen weapon, oh yes. That world forges eager guns.”
Hellgun differences compared to lasgun, visually speaking. This also implies that Armageddon-forged lasguns may not be as good as Cadian made.

Page 242
the storm-trooper scowled behind his rebreather as he slammed back into his firing position, drawing a bead on the first creature to emerge. It dropped like a puppet with its strings cut as the harsh beam lanced through its face and blew out the back of its head.
Hellgun blast blows apart (partly or totally) orks skull. again given above its safe to say double or (more probably) triple digit kj at least (remember Ork heads are many times bigger and much tougher than human ones.

Page 244
He could smell his servitors now that his senses were returning from their focusless lock on his primary task. Turning to regard them where they lay, Jurisian could smell the decay setting into their organic parts. They had been dead for weeks, starved of sustenance. He hadn’t noticed. They had proven useless after the first few hours, over a month ago, their internal cognitive processors unable to keep up with the ever-evolving code. Jurisian had needed to work alone...
...
His joints ached – both the mechanical ones and his still-human ones – from such a period of inactivity. He had been a statue in place for four weeks, his mind alive and his body in hunched, tense stasis by the console.

He had not slept. He knew that on several occasions, as his closing, exhausted mind had drifted close to shutting down, he had almost lost grip on the code. With his thoughts moving sluggishly, the code had outpaced him just as it had done to his servitors. In these moments of panicked intensity, he had resisted by silencing sections of his mind with clinical meditation, operating at a lessened capacity, but at least he was still awake.
The Techmarine manages to defeat the code protector Oberon and get inside in a month. Again its hard to speak to the computational/techincal abilities of 40K tech in this regard, but it seems damn impressive given what the code was implied capable of.

This also stands testament to the endurance of the Techmarines in question and the control they have over their bodies - four weeks with no sleep/food/water apparently, no movement, and he’s still more or less functional. He doesnt even apparently have the ability to use the Catalepsean node (at least not to full effect.)

Page 247
A whispered keyword cycled his vision filters through a thermal-seeking infrared, through to a crude echolocation that falsified an auspex scanner’s silent chimes to detect movement. He had made these modifications himself, with the proper respect to the machine-spirit of his wargear.
...
Something was wrong. The suggestion of static interference at the edges of his vision display told a tale of interference, obfuscation, more than a darkness born from a lack of light. He was being jammed, and the manipulation was insidiously subtle.

Jurisian’s bolter came up in steady hands, panning left and right in the darkness as his eye lenses continued to cycle through filters. At last, a targeting monocle slid over his right eye lens – the mechanical echo of a lizard’s nictitating membrane.

Better. Not perfect, but better.
Jurisian’s visual/sensory capabilities, including some form of sonar analgoue (suggesting auspex is in this book active sesning.) Targeting sensor provides better performance than gneral sensors.

Also, more jamming.

Page 249
He voiced his next words through his helm’s vox-speakers, letting his armour’s spirit twist the human language into a universal, bluntly simple machine code – a basic program for communication which he had acquired during his long years of tuition and training on Mars, home world of the Mechanicus.
...
The reply came in a burst of snarled code, the words and meanings bleeding into each other. It was akin to machine-slang, evolved from the viral program that sealed the doors. This creature, whatever it was, had an accent born of hundreds of years of isolation here.
...
“I destroyed the sealant program.”

This time, the creature’s response was rendered through a more simple code. Jurisian narrowed his eyes at this development. Like the chamber’s virus lock, the creature was adapting and working with new information at a faster rate than standard Mechanicus constructs.
Jurisian speaking with the ‘guardian’ of Oberon. Apparently isolted for hundreds of years (more likely since first Armageddon, which may explain why it was hidden) and Jurisian notes he destroyed the ‘virus lock’ defense.
Also his armour can translate his language into binary automatically to speak with the Warden.

Page 249
The Forgemaster risked a panning glance left and right, seeking any resolution in the artificial darkness. His targeting monocle couldn’t pierce the gloom more than a few metres ahead. Flickering static was beginning to crawl across his eye lenses.
...
The Forgemaster risked a panning glance left and right, seeking any resolution in the artificial darkness. His targeting monocle couldn’t pierce the gloom more than a few metres ahead. Flickering static was beginning to crawl across his eye lenses.
The jamming seems to even interfere with the operating of the sensor gear, rather than just blocking/distortiong/interfering with its ability to detect things. Again it seems to have similarities to scrapcode without the chaos-bread maliciousness.

This suggests the scope and magnitude of what Imperial jamming can accomplish, assuming the capacility is present and is employed.

Page 250
His bolt pistol sang out in a thudding refrain, embedding fist-sized bolts in alien bodies which detonated a moment later.
Bolt pistol firing ‘fist sized’ bolts. Which seems unliekly.

Page 251
The beast had no more than a moment to enjoy its victory: a searing lance of headache-bright energy dissolved its face and blew the contents of its skull over the dying knight’s armour. Andrej recharged his weapon without even needing to look away from the melee.
Hellgun again blows apart an Ork’s head. again, Interesting that Andrej seems to have to manually ‘rack’ or pump his gun to charge it. It could be that due to the backpack power source Andrej has to periodically work the slide to charge the capacitor again (it may not be between singel shots, this oculd be the hellgun equivalent of a ‘magazine’ change.

Earlier Andrej mentioned the ‘slides’ on lasrifles earlier when he was talking about changing magazines.)

Page 266
What annoyed him most was the loss of his right arm to gesture with to the hololithic display, but then, that was the price to pay for foolishly leaving the Grey Warrior...
...
In the low-ceilinged confines of the tank’s principal command chamber, Sarren sat on his well-worn throne....
..
He stared at the hololithic table now, watching the docks recede from Imperial control with agonising, desperate slowness. Seeing the flickering regiment runes and location sigils, it was hard to translate the skeletal vision to the fierce fighting that was truly taking place.
Sarren’s Baneblade (like Xarius' in Crimson Tears) seems to be outfitted as a command center, including its own internal hololithic display.. I wonder if it is the same size as a normal baneblade. Perhpas the 1000 ton variants are command types now, an alternative to Capitol Imperialis and Leviathans.

Page 266
Always so keen to graft on some cheap, jury-rigged bionic that would click every time he moved a muscle and seize up because of low-grade components. Sarren was no stranger to augmetics in the Guard, and they were a far cry from the modifications afforded to the rich and decadent.
A commentary on IG issue augmetics. At least available in and around Armageddon.

Page 267-268
Every few days, the same story played out. The joint Astartes and Naval fleet would break from the warp close to the planet, and hurl themselves at the ork vessels ringing the embattled world. The engagement would hold for several hours as both sides inflicted horrendous losses on the other, but the Imperials would inevitably be hurled back into a fighting retreat by the immense opposition.

Once they’d fallen back to the safety of a nearby system, they’d regroup over time, under the command of Admiral Parol and High Marshal Helbrecht, and make ready for another assault.
Every few days (which I take to mean 2-3) they make raiding attacks from another system. Disregarding the several hours of fighting, that means it takes them no more than 24-36 hours to warp from the other system, move insystem, a process they repeat when withdrawing.

It isn’t easy to do exact calcs on all this, but assuming 12 hours to travel in system, we might figure 12-24 hours to travel between systems. By the Epic armageddon map Pelucidar is 7.1 AU away and Armageddon is 1.1 AU away. Which means at least 6 AU to travel insystem. Covering that in 12 hours requires over 200 gees constant acceleration, and a max travel speed of .14c. Assuming 10-15 LY to the nearest system, we’re talking a minimum of 3-7 thousand c.

Of course, this also depends on exact parameters. The bulk of the time could be taken travelling insystem, as we know this is a large fleet and acceleration values have gone much lower. Assuming 45 gees, for example, you get about a day spent travelling insystem, and onyl 12 hours at warp, and that gives you only a few hours (tops) at warp, which means a travel speed of tens of thousands of c, so there is an inverse relationship.

Of course I also don’t know What the closest system they use is, so the timeframe is just an estimate. IT’s also possible to take ‘several’ as less strictly defined, although to get the FFG accelerations (say 1-2 Gees for large cruisers or battleships) would require nearly 5 days of constant, insystem travel simply to get in system, and an equal amount to get out - at which point we’re past several days and into several weeks. It’s not impossible, mind, and the Armagedodn evidence suggests they spend days travelling insystem both in the Epic armageddon and Codex armageddon rules, and Annihilation squads.

Page 271
My mentor, the great Mordred the Black, wielded this weapon in battle against mankind’s foes for almost four centuries.
Black Templar who was a Reclusiarch for over 4 centuries. Probably older. If we take Grimaldus as an example he might have lived 600 or so years.

Page 273
These have none of the security offered by the subterranean shelters, for they are not civilian evacuation shelters at all. Each of these squat domes houses a thousand at capacity, designed to resist violent sandstorms and the tropical cyclones all too common on the equatorial coast – not sustained shelling from enemy armour. They are used now because there is nothing else to use, with the city grown far beyond its capacity to shelter all its citizens beneath the ground.
At least they BUILT shelters. That shows they do car about human life somewhat.

Page 276
The Reclusiarch’s armour still set his teeth on edge, its active hum making his eyes water if he stood too close. But Maghernus knew machines, even if he didn’t know ancient artefacts of war, and he could hear the faults in the war plate now. Its once-smooth, angry purr had a waspish edge to its tone now, and intermittent clicks told of something internal no longer running at full function. The joints of the battered armour no longer snarled with tensing fibre-cable muscles – they growled, as if reluctant to move.

Five weeks. Five weeks of fighting, night and day, in the same suit of armour, with the dock assault rising as the most punishing week yet.
An indicator of the effective (operational) lifespan of power armour, although not its limits.

Page 288-289
From the front, Oberon was as wide as two bulky Land Raider battle tanks side by side. Its length was fifty metres in total, giving it the appearance of a land train, long and segmented. Immense to say the least, it was of approximate size to a towering battle Titan lying on its back.

The war machine’s base was divided into three sections – a helm segment, the drive module, with a reinforced cockpit chamber; a thorax section next, pinned under the weight of massive metal stanchions; lastly, an abdomen segment, bearing the same weight as the section before. Each of these base sections was bulked up further by side-mounted power generators, shielded behind yet more armour plating. These, Jurisian knew, were the gravitational suspensor generators. Anti-gravitational technology on such a scale was no longer heard of in the Imperium, except for the deployment of war machines of this calibre.

These generators’ rarity made them the most precious thing on the entire planet, bar nothing.

The stanchions and gantries supported the colossal weapons platform, which in turn housed dozens of square metres of energy pods, fusion chambers and magnetic field generators. It was as if an industrial manufactorum had been installed on the back of a column of tanks.

These generators would, if active, supply power to the land train’s weapon mount: a tower of a cannon forged of heat-shielded ceramite and joined to the forward power generators. Coolant vents ran the length of the cannon like reptilian scales. Like parasitic worms, nests of secondary power feed cables hung from the barrel, while industrial support claws held the weapon in place.

A nova cannon. A weapon used by starships to end one another across the immensity of the void. Here it was, mounted on priceless and infinitely-armoured anti-gravitational technology from a forgotten age.
"Titan-killer." the Master of the Forge whispered.
The Ordinatus Armageddon, a giant antigrav nova cannon. Uses fusion chambers. big as a (Emperor) Titan on its back.

Page 290
He stood within the heart of a spaceship’s weapon system, condensed to offer less range and power, but on a more manoeuvrable and manageable scale. The projectiles from this sacred cannon didn’t, after all, have to travel across thousands of kilometres of open space to strike a target.

It was, bluntly speaking, the sawn-off shotgun of nova cannon technology. The notion brought a smile to Jurisian’s mirthless lips.
A basically scaled down nova cannon.. same technology in a more compact form.

Page 291
Instead of the chanting and worship due to the spirit of such a war engine, the soul of Oberon awoke in silence and darkness. Its vague, reforming consciousness did not detect a gestalt host of abased Centurio Ordinatus minds supplicating themselves for its attention, but a single other soul in union with its own.

This soul was strong: ironclad and dominant.

It identified itself as Jurisian.

In the drive module, his brain, spine and body armour linked via telemetry cables to the interface feeds in the princeps throne, the Master of the Forge closed his eyes.
...
Beneath the mechanical tone seethed a roiling, uncoiling hatred. Jurisian bowed his head in respect, but did not cease his work.
The Machine spirit of Oberon. It seems that Ordinatus platforms are like Titans in the way they are operated, with a mind/machine interface that dominates its machien spirit counterpart. Given the problems with Stormherald this probably explains why the Mechanicus and Titan folk were pissed ath Grimaldus' actions (which is basically what the Crone indicated, I might add.)

I also have this perverse notion now that all the praise and worship and ritual is done because it really does appease the machine spirits.. like they're playing god or something.

Page 293
His fellows consisted mainly of servitors hardwired into the battlement turrets, slaved to the targeting and reloading systems along the walls.
...
The lobotomised, augmented once-humans were little more than limbless and slack-jawed automatons installed in life support cradles next to their turret cannons, and had no means to sustain their own existences. Several had lost their feed/waste bio connection cables with the damage taken in the siege..
...
So it fell to Asavan, as one of the few cathedral survivors, to spoonfeed these mindless creatures with soft protein-rich paste in order to keep them from dying, and flush their waste filters once a week.
Some servitors it seem need more human-style maintenance.

Page 294
Six weeks in, the servitor had collapsed in the middle of a row of broken pews, its human parts no longer able to function without rest.
Serivtors need rest apparently too.

Page 294-295
A week ago, the heating systems to the cathedral had been drained to the point of no longer functioning. With typical Mechanicus efficiency, there were secondary and tertiary fallback options in the case of such a development. Unfortunately for Asavan and the few acolytes left alive up there, both the secondary and tertiary contingencies were lost. The secondary fallback had been a smaller, self-sustaining generator that fed itself from a power source reserve that was linked to nothing else, and could therefore never be drained for other purposes. The generator was now no more than scrap metal in the ruined mess that had once been the cathedral’s maintenance deck.

The generator’s destruction also annihilated the tertiary contingency plan, which was for four mono-tasked servitors – good for nothing else – to be activated and set to turn the generator’s manual pumps by hand. Even if the generator had been fully functional, all four of the servitors were killed in the battle five weeks ago.
Mechanicus heating systems and redundancy. Note the servitor powered hand crank as the last resort.

Page 296
In place of organs, Stormherald possessed a generator core of intensely radioactive and fusion-hot plasma.
Plasma reactor seems to be literally possessing plasma, for once.

Page 300
The Imperium demanded heavy tithes of materiel from Armageddon. If the other hive cities suffered as Helsreach had, the grade of Exactis Extremis would be lowered significantly. Certainly to Solutio Tertius, and perhaps to Aptus Non. If Armageddon provided nothing, it would be offered little in return. The Imperium would turn away. Without the support and finances to recover after the war, the world might never recover.
Which pretty much sums up the Imperium's relationship with planets. It will involve itself as long as there is something the Imperium can get out of it - troops, resources, etc. Without something to offer, the Imperium will cast the planet out, which echoes examples like the short story 'Mortal fuel'.

It still suggests that Armageddon would be part of the Imperium, but provided with only minimla presence ant support (which echoes alot of the FFG material and such from other novels.) We might derive from this that not only are there different 'grades' of status (again echoing the Imperial worlds vs Imperial allied or such) In the Imperium, but that there could be any number of planets that are considered minor and unimportant because they have relatively little to offer (offering a way to explain inconsistencies in things like numbers of planets.)

Page 306
Sarren glanced between the two Astartes – the warrior and the knight. He could not doubt the valour of the Templars in past weeks, but Throne, if only he’d had the Salamanders here. They were everything the Templars were not: communicative, supportive, reliable…
A human comparing the two different Chapters. Whilst the novel is BT centric and thus more sympathetic to their views, and we know the Salamanders are more humanitarian, this kind of does Grimaldus and the Black Templars a disservice, because aside from a few cases (like Priamus) the Templars are pretty damn noble and act like proper defenders. Sarren in particular seems to base his assessments of his dealings with Grimaldus (as well as being coloured by fatigue and stress at the situation) and Grimaldus is not the ideal example to go by, as we learn he is still finding his place and evolving into his role (which is one of the key points in the story.)

It's fair to say Grimaldus has a different viewpoint in some ways (He admires the pragmatism or hardness that develops in the Steel Legion forces like Sarren at various points) but that isn't a bad thing per se, at least from a Space Marine viewpoint. But it's also a far cry from the moronic, glory seeking or arrogant assholes some Chapters can be.

A good example is the final discussion between Grimaldus and the Salamanders Sergeant. The Salamanders had focused entirely on defending the human population of Helsreach at the Docks, and had judged the success of their campaign by that standard. The Black Templars (and Grimladus) are charged with defending the city as a whole against the Greenskins. This creates something of a difference in tactics and perspective. Grimaldus seeks the most expeditous means of defeating the Orks and the aid of the Salamanders in the offensive would have helped, whereas the Salamanders only concerned themselves with protecting the innocents. While laudable, it is also short sighted in this case because if they had supported the Templars they would have eliminated a major threat rather efficiently. As it was, the Boss survives to present problems in the future, the Templars wasted resources precious to them, and once the Salamanders were gone those civilians were at threat. Which is a tad hypocrtical when you think about it (The Salamanders care about the civilians, but they only stick around long enough to discharge their own duties and then leave, leaving those same civilians still at threat.)

One of the reasons I love ADB as a writer - he always does a good job at handling these different "point of view' type situations, and it's the same thing we get in the Night Lords novels (where it also really shines.) He's not denigrating the Salamanders approach to doing things, but he's also showing that sometimes it can be a flaw to be too concerned about causalties and civilians. (or even hyporcitical in the way you go about doing it.)

Page 313
The giant had taken over two thousand labourers over a month to build. It had finally awoken outside the walls of Hive Stygia three days before, to great roars of praise from its devoted faithful.

And then, in its first hours of life, it had wiped the hive city from the face of the planet. Stygia was a modest industrial city, defended by the Steel Legion and its own militia with little in the way of Astartes or Mechanicus support.
Super Gargant. took a month to build, matches a Imperator, and can demolish a modest hive city in five hours thirty two minutes (explicitly stated.

And like most of their vehicles they are ramshackle and osmetimes unreliable, but the sheer speed and numbers with which they can be made offsets those disadvantages.

Page 318
The Titan’s movement now was almost unbearable, slamming him to the wall and rocking him from his feet on several occasions. This low, the gravitic stabilisers were little use against the sheer degree of movement necessary for each leg to make. His surroundings rumbled with sickening violence every eleven seconds, as the foot came down on the road below.
Titans have inertial damping like devices for their legs.

Also it seems to take a single leg 11 seconds (for an Emperor class) to make a movement. If we applied this to the Imperial armour stride lengths for warhounds and Reavers, we'd get a speed of 45 kph for Warhounds (8.25 m stride length) and 68 kph for Reaver (12.5 M stride length IIRC). A warlord in Crusade for Armagedodn had a 20 m stride length, which would translate into a speed of over 109 kph.

Page 323
"They’re going through the habs, stealing credits and whatever else they can find."
Credits seem to be the unit of currency in Armageddon and probably the surrounding regions. Their version of the Throne Gelt.

Page 324
"You are telling me that the first church ever built in Helsreach still stands? It endured the First War against the daemon armies? It remained unbroken through the Second War, when the Great Enemy first came to this world?"
Apparently the First War is common knowledge, despit ethe fact that everyone in the first war was basically purged for that knowledge, and knowledge of the event is still a closely guarded secret. The priest off the Emperor titan and a Storm trooper and dockworkers know it too, apparently.

Page 338
The Order of the Argent Shroud were not in Helsreach in any significant force, their contributions thus far being little more than a series of fighting withdrawals from churches across the city.

Ninety-seven battle-ready sisters manned the Temple’s walls and halls, standing guard over several thousand menials, servitors, preachers, lay sisters and acolytes.
Approximate scope of the Sororitas forces in Helsreach. Probably not the sum total on planet. Which again makes you wonder just how many fucking SoB are in the Imperium. Alot more than a few tens of thousands, thats for fucking sure.

Page 340
The Temple courtyard’s great gates were not closed. Despite the protestations of the cardinal council, Prioress Sindal had demanded the doors be kept open until the last possible moment, allowing more and more refugees to enter over the weeks of siege. The basilica’s undercroft housed hundreds of families who hadn’t been able to enter the subterranean shelters, for reasons of criminal activity, administrative error, or outright bad luck
And ths is why the Sisters of Battle remain the only decent arm of the Ecclesiarchy, save for the occasional decent priests (who aren't fat fucks involved in politics and tithing the fuck out of people.)

Page 345-346
The plasma annihilator amassed power, sucking in a storm of air through its coolant vanes and juddering as it made ready to release.
...
Burning vapour clouded around the shaking plasma weapon as it vented pressure, and with a roar that shattered every remaining window in a kilometre-wide radius, Stormherald fired.

Three of the lesser scrap-Titans were engulfed in the flood of boiling plasma that surged from the weapon, melting to sludge in the white-hot sunfire.
Titan plasma annihilator weapon melts 3 Gargants. ASsuming the Gargants mass halfway between a Warhound and Reaver titan (~400-750 tonnes) we're talking 500-600 tons. Call it 1500-2000 tons melted. Assuming iron we get between 1.8 and 2.4 TJ at least.

Page 349
"I am venting the heart-core’s excess fusion matter and flushing the heat exchangers."
Indicator again that fusion (of some kind) is involved in Plasma reactors. At least in this case.

Page 353
Ivory Fang was pulverised beneath enough solid, laser and plasma weapon fire to level a city block. Its demise, and the end of Havelock’s mediocre career, was marked by a vast crater that would remain for decades after the war had bled the whole world almost dry.
Level of firepower needed to immediately demolish a Warhound titan. For comparison the Schewerer Gustav HE rounds ceated a 10x10 m crater with 700 kg of HE and hurled a 4.8 ton shell at 820 m/s. A city block is 200x200 meters roughly, which is 400 such rounds or around 280 tons of HE with 645 GJ of KE If we use that as a benchmark. A single 200 meter diameter crater in rock would be 1.4 KT. a 16 " battleship shell can make a 15 m diamter, 6 m deep crater with a High capacity shell (70 kg of TNT bursting charge, with around 275 MJ of KE and 680,000 kg*m/s worth of momentum. This is 178 shells which is 'only' 12 tons of TNT, aldhtough you have another 98 GJ of KE impact to consider (which helps in that case.) In any event it sets a good benchmark, methinks, and probably is conservative given the preponderance of laser weaponry.

PAge 357
The scrap-Titan was capable of a merciless amount of firepower. None of Stormherald’s command crew had seen anything like it before, let alone suffered on the receiving end. Only a few minutes into the god-machines’ duel, and the Imperator was wreathed in flame, temperature gauges whining and warning lights flashing throughout the confined corridors threading through the giant’s steel bones.

The multitude of layered energy screens that served the Titan as void shields had been torn apart with insane, laughable speed by the ork walker
Gives a prespective on firepower of the super Gargant vs an Imperator, including shield endurance (which is considered short for them.)

Page 357-358
"Wait for the stabilisers to come back online!"
...
Stormherald’s knees locked in preparation and the plasma annihilator tower that served as its left arm began its air-sucking inhalation of coolant.
...
beam of plasma – roiling, boiling and white-hot – vomited from the cannon’s focusing ring, blasting across the four hundred metres separating the two Titans. Stormherald stood rigid, defensive, no longer advancing after the first two minutes of punishing exchange. Godbreaker had not stopped its thunderous, slow charge.
...
Carsomir had missed. The jet of plasma blanketed the ground to the left of the closing ork gargant, where it began to dissolve everything it touched in a vast pool of acidic corruption.

Lonn had been right. The arm-weapon had strayed despite targeting locks, as the supreme force of its own firepower sent it veering off-centre.
Plasma cannon recoil on the Stormherald. Also apparently we're back to flamethrower plasma weapons which are more like acid :P

Page 361
Lonn drew his laspistol, and watched the sealed doors, ready for the aliens to eventually breach them.
...
The side of his head burst open as a las-beam slashed through his skull.
A laspistol shot explodes a Moderati's head in a single shot, and seems to overpenetrate like mad in doing so. If we're talking like a efficient pulse laser (like a real life rifle) several timeas a few kj could do it.. although the overpenetration could mean higher - something closer to an elephant gun or a BMG for example. Severe burning/thermal effects (3rd degree or better)_ would also point to double digit KJ (or add to it) If its a steam explosion type effect it would also be more energetic (Because it's less efficient, obviously.)

If its 'flayed to bone' type flash burns we're talking bout we might get up to 80 kj for example (assuming a 10x10 cm surface area on the 'inside' of the brain)

Then again it could mean the beam simply slices through, which wouldn't be quite as severe but still impressive (slicing beams make more sense than shooting them)

PAge 361
ripped in the lifter-claw at the end of one of Godbreaker’s many arms, the Titan’s head was clamped and crushed, then hurled aside as a twisted ball of scrap metal. Its landing flattened a small manufactorum, as the armoured command chamber weighing several dozen tonnes blasted through the building’s side wall and pulverised several support pillars.
The Head of the Imperator titan. it survives being thrown far away intact.

Page 363
Augmented infants – the lobotomised bodies of children kept eternally young through gene manipulation and hormone control – were enhanced by simple Mechanicus organs and pressed into service as winged cherub-servitors, hovering on anti-grav fields as they trailed prayer banners through the halls and arched chambers.
Immortality is possible if you dont mind staying a baby and being a servitor :)

Page 365
A bolter, cased in bronze with gold-leaf etchings, was mag-locked between her shoulders. The gun was a smaller calibre than Astartes weaponry, but still a rare firearm to see in the possession of a human.
Implies a Sororitas bolter is of smaller calibre than an Astartes weapon. While this should be obvious I'd note that most sources have both humans and Astartes using the same calibre (.75 cal mass reactive bolts) which makes you wonder which that applies to.

Page 380
The fighting here was among the thickest and fiercest seen in the entire siege to date, and the archives which would catalogue the Third War for Armageddon came to consider many of the glorious propaganda falsehoods born here as cold fact. Many of these heroic twists of the truth were due to the writings of one Commissar Falkov, whose memoir, entitled simply ‘I Was There…’, would become standard reading for all officers of the Steel Legions in the years after the war.
Propoganda seems to favor the autobiographical reading industry quite well, unsurprisingly.

PAge 382
With Oberon’s shields up, the Master of the Forge would have estimated the Ordinatus could tolerate several minutes of sustained assault even from a weapon as destructive as this Reaver’s main armament. But Oberon had no shields. They were one of many secondary systems that Jurisian had lacked the time, expertise and manpower necessary to reengage.

He knew what a gatling blaster was capable of. He’d seen them devastate regiments of tanks, and rip the faces and limbs from enemy Titans. Oberon’s armour plating would last no more than a handful of seconds.
Capability of Reaver Titan gatling blaster. Assuming a reigmnet of around 100 or so tanks, and each shell equal to a 120mm tank gun (between 7-20 MJ depending on source and kind of gun) we're talking 700 MJ to several GJ for the gatling blaster in pure KE alone, Momentum of up to 700,000 kg*m/s.

PAge 395
Priamus deflected another dozen cuts in four beats of his pounding twin hearts.
Assuming a second to half a second per heartbeat, we're talking 3-6 blocks per second.

Page 398
The Warlord, thirty-three metres of armour plating and city-killing weaponry forged into an iconic image of the Machine-God Himself, began its shameful retreat.
Warlord Titan. A bit smaller than in Hereticus, but approximatle ywhat is implied in other sources (Crusade for Armageddon, for example.)

Page 400
The Warlord had made it half a kilometre before its void shields burst out of existence and its front-facing armour began to suffer the assault from the Godbreaker’s guns. No matter how thick the ceramite and adamantium plating covering the Warlord’s vital systems, the sheer level of firepower hurled at Bane-Sidhe meant that once its shields died, its existence was measured in minutes.
...
The wreckage of the Titan would come to be salvaged by the Mechanicus in the following weeks, and restored to working order fourteen months later.
14 months to repair a titan, it survives for 'minutes' under the barrage.

Assumine 3 minutes to cross 500 meters we're talking 3 m/s which is 11 kph for the Titan. Rather slow :P

Page 401
Fourteen seconds after the Warlord’s shattered remains came to a rest, a flare of sun-bright and fusion-hot energy screamed across the Hel’s Highway. It was the shape of a newborn star, flaring with arcing coils of plasma light and surrounded by a blinding corona.

The Godbreaker’s shields disintegrated at the sunfire’s touch. Its armour disintegrated mere seconds later, as did its crew, skeletal structure, and all evidence that it had ever existed.

Jurisian drooled through clenched teeth, feeling the untamed machine-spirit’s quivering rage at being used without being ritually blessed and activated via the correct rituals. As the knifing pain in his skull faded to tolerable levels, he opened a vox-link to Grimaldus, and breathed two words.
Oberon demolishes (vaporizes?) the super titan in seconds. Again the Machine spirit is rather active and.. violent.

Page 409
Major, or rather, Colonel Ryken has regained much of his face since I last saw him. Burn scars spread across much of the remaining skin, but over half of his features are dull-metalled augmetics, including significant reconstruction to his skull. He makes the sign of the aquila, and only one of his hands is his own. The other is a skeletal bionic, not yet sheathed in synthetic skin.
Synthetic skin covering for augmetics (or at least, some augmetics.)
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Re: Space Marine Battles series thread

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Connor MacLeod wrote: Also an implication of 'a million, million battlefields', which perhaps is the closest to having a whole galaxy at war. Of course, it implies there are more wars than there are planets/systems in the Imperium, so this might also serve as proof reinforcing the 'millions/billions' of worlds in the Imperium, in which case the ratio of conflicts will likewise be adjusted. It's also possible to interpret it as a trillion battlefields.. but that seems unlikely :P
It works better if you interpret it with a time factor, specifically the 10K yrs the Emperor has been out of the picture. In that time you've had full fledged Imperial Crusades, Chaos and Xeno invasions and every thing else down to local rebellions within a city. Separate each battle of troop deployment as a "battlefield" and over that amount of time you can probably reach 'a million, million battlefields'.
Page 36
The man speaking is ancient, and he looks every hour of his age. What keeps him on his feet is a mixture of minimal rejuvenat chem-surgeries, crude bionics, and a faith in the Emperor founded in hatred for the enemies of Man.
I liked him the moment my visor’s targeting reticules locked onto him.

He should not hold rank here – not to the degree he does. He is merely a commissar in the Imperial Guard, and such a title does not tend to make generals, colonels, Astartes captains and Chapter Masters remain in polite silence when it comes to tactical planning. Yet to the humans at this war council, and the citizens of Armageddon, he is the Old Man, a beloved hero of the Second War fifty-seven years ago.

Not just a hero. The hero.

His name is Sebastian Yarrick. Even we Astartes must respect that name.
Yarrick makes his appearance.. he must be really old for rejuv to be needed. Also BT armor (at least Grimmy's) has targeting reticules.

I do find it odd that commissars are considered too 'lowly' to command generals, colonels and such.. that's pretty much in their role (although it could be Grimaldus is speaking in a political sense, since politics is a power base all its own in the Imperium.)

I also like how ADB generally handles and depicts Yarrick here. As usual, he does a good job portraying the characters he is writing.
I don't think its a case of him being too lowly in so much as he's simply not meant to be in that position. The role of Commissars is to inspire, instruct, enforce discipline and ensure that mission objectives/orders are carried out. Once in the field, yes, they will lead and command men but they aren't meant to have overall command which is why Gaunt was specifically marked out with his dual rank of colonel commissar. Even when one executes a guard commander for gross incompetence/cowardice/whatever reason they can think of, they only assume temporary command until either they or high command appoints a successor.
It should also go without saying that the Commissarait has no authority whatsoever over the Astartes.
Page 81
Priamus narrowed his eyes, his pupils flicking across his field of vision to lock targeting reticules on the brutish shapes swarming in the darkness of the wide, lightless corridor.
More targeting sights in power armour. ADB really uptechs them doesn't he? :P
Abnett does the same in Brothers of the Snake. Hell their targeters can also pick out concealed weapons
Page 291
Instead of the chanting and worship due to the spirit of such a war engine, the soul of Oberon awoke in silence and darkness. Its vague, reforming consciousness did not detect a gestalt host of abased Centurio Ordinatus minds supplicating themselves for its attention, but a single other soul in union with its own.

This soul was strong: ironclad and dominant.

It identified itself as Jurisian.

In the drive module, his brain, spine and body armour linked via telemetry cables to the interface feeds in the princeps throne, the Master of the Forge closed his eyes.
...
Beneath the mechanical tone seethed a roiling, uncoiling hatred. Jurisian bowed his head in respect, but did not cease his work.

The Machine spirit of Oberon. It seems that Ordinatus platforms are like Titans in the way they are operated, with a mind/machine interface that dominates its machien spirit counterpart. Given the problems with Stormherald this probably explains why the Mechanicus and Titan folk were pissed ath Grimaldus' actions (which is basically what the Crone indicated, I might add.)

I also have this perverse notion now that all the praise and worship and ritual is done because it really does appease the machine spirits.. like they're playing god or something.
My own view, they made it into a spoilt brat. They treat it as a thing to be worshiped and so it comes to expect it, hell it even wonders why no one is bowing before it, so when it comes upon someone who simply treats it with respect but otherwise expects it to do what it was created for then it gets pissy.
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Re: Space Marine Battles series thread

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Next up on Space MArine Battles: Hunt for Voldorius. This was Hoare's attempt at defining himself as a 'Space Marine' writer, I think, and amazingly I enjoyed the results better than I did the first two Rogue Trader novels. This may be partly why Savage Scars turned out better as well - the love of the tau and the love of the white Scars tends to even things out, I imagine. It's a decent book for what it's worth, nothing as good as Rynn's World or Helsreach IMHO, but I could tolerate it (whether that says somethinga bout my own reading tastes or the quality of the book I don't know :P) I'm not sure its worth the price though, unless oyu REALLy like White Scars or you do silly stuff like I do or are a fan of Hoare's writing.

This will actually be a single update, because there wasn't a ton of 'analysis' stuff compared to the last two, or maybe I just skimmed it faster. I dunno.

Page 12-13
“Gravimetrics picking up turbulence, as predicted,”
...
...Thunderhawks were effecting their drop on a heading that no ordinary human troops could undertake, for the gravitational forces would overcome them long before the drop vessels touched down. The White Scars were no mere humans, however; they were superhumans, genetically enhanced Space Marines whose augmented physiologies could withstand such forces and more.
Gravimetric sensors, in this context inside a thudnerhawk (but starships probably have them as well) and Thunderhawk descents taken at accelerations that vastly exceed human tolerances (tens of gees, if not more) For a 120 ton thunderhawk and 10-15 gees we're talking 1.2e7 kg*m/s worth of momentum . Assuming a 500 km/s exahust velocity (24 kgs/sec of propellant expended) is 3 Tw sustained power output.

Page 22
“We set out immediately, and were able to pick up the vessel’s signature as it made for the jump point. Our astropath was able to track its jump, and our Navigator able to shadow it without our enemy becoming aware of our presence.”
Navigator and Asstropathic tracking of starship through the warp.

Page 22
By Kor’sarro’s honour, the Daemon Prince Voldorius, he who had unleashed the Bloodtide and reaped a thousand billion innocent souls, would be brought to justice.
The bloodtide weapon killed roughly a trillion.

Page 23
“We tracked The Ninth Eye through three systems. It laid over at none, merely recalibrating before pressing on. Twelve days after the last jump, it entered the Cernis system, where it made for the fourth planet.”
More tracking (FTL?) and 12 days to travel between systems. Assuming 10 LY we're talking 300c

Page 26
For a start, they showed no discernable uniform, each wearing a ragged ensemble of rubberised work suit, with crude armour fashioned from steel plates.
Steel armour is considered 'crude' by Imperial standards, I'd guess.

Page 28
Kor’sarro opened the vox-channel again, but before he could speak a further salvo of fire erupted from every bastion within a kilometre.
...
In seconds, the Thunderhawk was banking over the outer defence line, pursued by angry autocannon bursts.
Autocannons have a range of at least a kilometre, and strike the Thunderhawk in seconds.

Page 29
The air between the Thunderhawk and the gun pit was split asunder as the vessel’s heavy bolters opened up. Hundreds of rounds had been expended in seconds, the snow all around the target vaporised into an obscuring mist.
Bolter fire vaporizes unknown quantity of snow.

Page 34
The cry was echoed in the throats of four score warriors. Kor’sarro opened Moondrakkan’s throttle, its engine roaring deafeningly in the manner of its namesake. The bikes of Kor’sarro’s Command squad and of the other two groups of riders took up the savage cry, and were followed an instant later by the deeper, throaty roar of the Rhinos. Then the Assault squads gunned their jump packs to a high-pitched scream, putting Kor’sarro in mind of the deadly avian predators of Chogoris. With the roar of the proud, noble tribesmen of his home world, Kor’sarro span Moondrakkan around to face the distant refinery, and opened the throttle fully.
Rhinos seem to be able to keep up with the full throttle of Space Marine bikes as do the assault marines.

Page 34
Without turning to look, he knew that his warriors were following, and instead focussed on the objective. The outer defence line was only two kilometres distant, and the inner line another two beyond that. Another kilometre past the inner trench line lay the outer edges of the refinery itself and beyond that
Distances involved.

Page 38
The White Scars’ charge ate up the last hundred metres in seconds, and only at the last instant did the few defenders still manning this section of the line open fire.
Crossing 100 metres in 'seconds'.

Page 39-40
Kor’sarro swung into Moondrakkan’s saddle and consulted the tactical slate mounted above the handlebars. Icons representing the units of the strike force winked green, and the enemy defence lines were etched in red, the data provided by the augurs of the Lord of Heavens in orbit high above. Three of those icons represented the constituent parts of the third wave, which was bearing down on the inner trenchline. Even as Kor’sarro prepared to move out, he heard the unmistakable sound of heavy cannon fire, followed a moment later by a rumbling explosion. In the distance, he saw a mighty cloud rise, and knew that the third wave had encountered heavy resistance.
...
“Repeat, coming under fire from a heavy-calibre battle cannon mounted in the bastion to our fore. I have two badly wounded, one ineffective, over.”
Battle cannon fires as the third wave of the White Scars assault force charges for the inner ring (2 km away from the outer ring). The range is roughly consistent with battle cannon in other novels (Gunheads and Assault on Black Reach) and like in gunheads, takes about a second to cross the distance, implying a velocity around 1.5-2 km/s

Page 40
..the cannon fired, the heavy shell impacting the ice scant metres from the carrier. As the projectile detonated, the rear of the vehicle was thrown several metres into the air, before it crashed down again. Incredibly, the Rhino continued on its course towards the gun tower.
Battle cannon firing again.

Page 42
onwards. The shell lanced towards his force and exploded on its right flank, enveloping an entire biker squad in smoke and mist. Of the nine White Scars bikes enshrouded by the rapidly expanding plume of vaporised ice and debris, only eight emerged, and several of these bore obvious damage, the riders’ armour blackened and scratched. Kor’sarro doubted that the missing rider could have survived, but knew that the Rhino-mounted squad following close behind would confirm their brother’s fate, and if possible retrieve his body.
Battle cannon shell vaporizing ice/snow and Rhinos keeping up with the bikes again.

Page 42
A shell clipped the armoured fairing, tearing a chunk away in a shower of sparks, and another glanced from Kor’sarro’s right shoulder plate. The armour’s auto-reactive systems activated, dense fibre bundles compensating for the impact by moving rapidly in the opposite direction.
Auto reactive shoulder plates

Page 43
To Kor’sarro’s left, a biker was thrown clear as what must have been a dozen heavy bolter shells slammed into his chest plate, the sheer weight of fire throwing him backwards as his bike ploughed on before slewing to a halt.
Heavy bolter fire vs White Scar.

Page 44-45
The melta gun’s blast was preceded by a brief distortion of the air between barrel and target, before a stream of concentrated nucleonic fire streaked forth. Anything other than the highest grade of armour plating would have been vaporised in an instant, but the bastion’s hatch was built with the intention of resisting such attacks. The hatch glowed orange, then blue, and then white as tremendous energies were absorbed and dissipated. The ground between Kergis erupted in vaporised ice.
The scene isn't even remotely clacable, given we have armour glowing blue, but it does suggest the the armor is tougher than normal metal (steel?) and is designed to absorb and dissipate radiation (eg some more active, superconducting mechanism, not just passive resistance.) It may be an odd manner of energy release to have a blue emission, but..

Page 49
The refinery resembled a vast machine, its innards laid bare and spilled across a hundred square kilometres of the frozen plain.
Size of the refinery.

Page 50
The first sniper cost one of Sergeant Patha’s men an eye, but the wounded Space Marine exacted his revenge, putting a bolt-round through the man’s sneering mouth, the shell exploding within his skull and vaporising his entire head.
Bolt round vaporises head.

Page 54
Many centuries ago, the daemon prince had harnessed the power of an ancient and terrible weapon, a relic of the all but forgotten epoch known as the Dark Age of Technology. The weapon was called the Bloodtide, and although none knew how it functioned, at Voldorius’ word it had slain uncounted billions of the Emperor’s subjects. In a single night, its curse had swept across a dozen worlds and reduced every one of them to a charnel house of desiccated corpses.
Earlier mentioned that a trillion or so died in the Bloodtide. its eems those numbers were spread across a dozen or so worlds. That doesnt mean the planets/systems were totally wiped out, neccesarily, but it gives us an approximation of population densities.

for one thing it suggests many sectors have trillions of people (which is suggested by Hellsreach, the Sabbat Worlds crusade book, and variou sother sources involving population numbers) Scaling up to the 'million world' number we get some 83 quadrillion people in the Imperium. amazing how since 5th edition we've established some consistecny in that range haven't we? :)

Page 55
...Voldorius and his Alpha Legion followers were not the only enemy in the city-sized refinery.
Refinery is defined as 'city sized.' given the earlier 'hundred km square' reference we're probably talking 'city sized' in 40K terms being something like 10-12 km at LEAST. Which is roughly consistent with cities in other books (hive cities, the fortress cities like in Gaunt's Ghosts or 13th Legion, etc.)

Page 70
The bellowing was silenced as the beast’s internal organs were pulverised by the energies unleashed at the blade’s tip.
Power sword's discharge pulverizes internal organs.

Page 74
Explosions blossomed from nearby buildings, and the frozen, debris-strewn ground beneath his feet trembled. A quake wracked the street, and the ground lurched.

“Seismic charges,” Kor’sarro growled.

...
“The vile one has planted some form of detonator beneath the plant. The entire facility is coming down."
...
The refinery had been fortified to draw the White Scars in. It had been extensively mined to ensure their destruction once they were mired in combat with the recidivists turned to serve the Alpha Legion.
Seismic charge(s) destroy an entire city-sized refinery. For a 10-15 km or so city we migth be talking megaton range or more.

Page 79
Whatever the beast was, it appeared not to notice the flames that raged all about it as billions of litres of promethium burned.
Refinery held billions of litres of promethium.

Page 85-86
“Before the rise of the Imperium of Man, the greatest, most deranged minds created machines so small they could invade the very blood and make war upon their creators’ enemies from within. Once released, those machines replicated, until they had invaded the blood of an entire planetary population. And then, at a single word, they arose. Ten billion bled as one, and an entire world drowned in the blood.
...
Yet, the weapon remained hidden for cold millennia, until a servant of the Machine discovered it, waiting, in the dust and ashes beneath his very feet. And that servant, who had been cast out by his brethren..
...
At his word, the weapon was resurrected, and at his word, it was set free across not one world, but a thousand. Only when the weapon had invaded the bodies of countless billions did the vile one order it to rise up and turn upon its carriers.
...
The weapon was expended, reduced once more to a core of a trillion nanytes.
...
The sons of man sought to destroy all knowledge of the weapon, to deny its existence, as if by locking facts away they could starve reality and undo that which had been done.
.

The Bloodtide. HEre it implies 1000 worlds were obliterated, as opposed to one, and it annihilated an entire planetary population in one time. May or may not be true, since it also says knowledge of the device was suppressed and the book drawn from was redacted

Also technology sounds more magical if you replace 'i' with 'y' I guess. That 'ye olde' effect or something. ;)

Page 94-95
“What you see before you is a single frame, taken from the sensorium-core of my own power armour.”
...
“And here is the same scene, from Brother To’ban’s perspective.”
Pic uploads from power armour sensor logs.

Page 95-96
“The armour bears a device, four stars on a red field,” Qan’karro said. “We have consulted the archives, and found three hundred and nine instances of this device in current use in this Segmentum alone.”
309 out of a probable hundreds of thousands, or millions of possible matches just in that Segmentum. They had a week (probably lesS) to search.

Page 97
“The household guard of the governor of a world called Quintus,” the Storm Seer announced. “A world a mere five light years distant, and on the same secondary conduit as Cernis.”
...
“The bulwark-world?” Kor’sarro said.
...
“Quintus represents a convergence, in more ways than one. For a start, it is a warp nexus, a point at which several dozen conduits meet. Whoever controls the system can extend his influence to a score of others and dominate the entire region.”
...
Quintus did indeed sit at a strategically desirable meeting of warp routes. For centuries, the world had stood guard against alien incursions from nearby wilderness space.
The Bulwark (Fortress?) world Quintus. Like Cadia, or the planet in Dark Creed, or similar cases, this world seems to be guarding an important region of space (strategically vital). Also its distance.

Page 104
...but Rund was a certified lay-technician and had served in the capital city’s generatorium for a decade under his Adeptus Mechanicus overseers. His skills were critical to the success of the cell’s desperate mission.
Lay technician.

PAge 104-105
He ordered his subordinates forwards, one at a time, covering them with his hellgun and scanning the tunnel up ahead through his spy-lens.
not sur if the spy lens is attached to the hellgun or not.

Page 106
The end of the tunnel was marked by a square of wan light, which Makaal zoomed the spy-lens in upon to examine in closer detail. As the magnification increased, the image became grainy, but Makaal was sure that he had seen movement and waited for the machinespirit inside the device to confirm it.
More Spy lens.

Page 107
The first of the palace guards went down before any had registered the attack. Makaal put a searing hell-gun blast through his torso that flash-boiled his internal organs in an instant.
Effect of hellgun blast. We dont know how much internal organs were flash boiled.. it could be as little as a few kilos (lungs and heart and such) up to a dozen kilos or more (most of the torso) and depending on exact temperatures it could be from many hundreds of kilojoules (say half a mj for 1.5-2 kg) to megajoules per shot.

Page 112
The teleportarium was a huge, domed space, dominated by a raised, circular platform at its very centre. Banks of pulsating, glowing machinery lined the walls, actinic sparks and whiplash energies playing up and down tall copper shafts. Fat cables snaked across the stone floor. Hundreds more looped down from above or crawled across the walls, linking each and every item of machinery together in an insane web of crackling energy.

...

Indeed, he had only recently heard that such machines could exist, though he was assured that they were so rare they could command the ransom of an entire planet. The teleportation device had rotted away for millennia beneath the governor’s palace, all knowledge of its operation and maintenance long since forgotten. No one knew what the device had been used for, or who had built it. Over the centuries it became a temple the tech-priests would worship in.
Teleportarium on-planet. And its value.

Page 116
Makaal checked his weapon’s status reader. The full auto blast had cost him a third of his remaining charge and the focussing ring had come dangerously close to overheating.
Some seconds worth of firing had cost 1/3 the powerpack capacity of the hellgun. Assuming 40 shots (as per FFG) and ~5 seconds worth of firing 2-3 shots per second at least.

Page 123
“Pooling our efforts with the astropaths, my brethren and I have used every possible means at our disposal to make contact. The astropaths have come to the conclusion that none of their order survives upon Quintus, or if they do, they have been subjugated, brutally.”
..
"We have cast our minds far ahead of us, piercing the warp even as this vessel races upon its tides.”
...
“All we can hope to do is plant visions, even mere notions, of our coming in the minds of those able to hear,”
The yare hours from reaching the planet. They must be still some light years from the planet but they take seconds (or minutes) to transmit.. hundreds of thousands to millions of c quite eaisly. Thousands to tens of thousands of c propogation speed, maybe, although we dont know how long the initial travel took.. only how much time is left (If they travel 1 LY in 4 hours it would be 2000c for example.)

It also mentions precog/divination

Page 140
“Three kilometres south, brother-sergeant,” Scout Telluk whispered. “A bunker, right on the border of the agri-zone.”
This is just to establish range. Will become important shortly.

Page 144
As the blade cleared the scabbard, a flick of the thumb activated its power core. Veins of searing light crept along its length, coalescing at its monomolecular edge.
Power sword with mono edge.

Page 148
“Khula,” said Scout-Sergeant Kholka, his voice low but clear. “Take position here. I want overwatch at all times. Concentrate on the gully due south.”
Kholka watched for a moment as the Scout lowered himself into a dip in the volcanic rock and arranged his camouflaged cloak so he blended seamlessly into his surroundings. Only the barrel of the Scout’s sniper rifle was visible, and that only from close up.
Scout with sniper rifle on overwatch as the rest of the scouts approach the bunker, as we learn shortly. This suggests that the scout rifle has a range of several km in the hands of a Marine (by contrast we know a human sniper like Larkin is much less accurate at such ranges, although they can still hit to that distance.)

Page 150
...the Scouts all lowered their night vision goggles over their eyes. He squinted down his boltgun’s sights and scanned the bunker. The low, squat structure appeared deserted, but the sergeant engaged the sight’s heat-sensitive function just to be sure. When no telltale heat signals.
...
Minutes later, he was at the bunker....
Night vision goggles and infrared scopes. And again confirming the destination as the bunker.

Page 155
The column consisted of half a dozen armoured personnel carriers, a pattern of vehicle manufactured on a number of nearby worlds, but lacking the armament of the Chimera transports used in the armies of the Imperial Guard. At intervals along the column larger, tracked carriers travelled, bulky cargo units loaded with heavy weapons destined for a defence complex only ten kilometres distant.
Armoured convoys, including non-Chimera APCs which can be employed on multiple worlds. Suggests many worlds will have their own 'alternative' variants which may be more common but may or may not use the same parts and fuel.

Page 158
A dozen faces looked up at him, and a second later he was amongst them.
...
Within seconds, the traitor militia were reduced to chunks of smoking meat, which was seared to ashes as he reactivated his jump pack and rose from the back of the vehicle atop a pillar of fire.
Lightning claws burn as well as slash, and a dozen corpses cremated in the backwash of a jump pack (double digit GJ easily. You could easily expect that kind of thrust to produce multiple gees of acceleration in an instant.

Page 172
“It’s a sub-ether carrier wave,” Techmarine Dyloss replied matter-of-factly.
Shrike raised his eyebrows.

“A ranging signal. Right on the edge of what this unit can detect.”
...
“A sub-ether carrier,” Shrike said. “A beacon?”
"Sub-ether carrier wave" - whether that means sub-space or sublight or what, I dont know. If it isnt wapr based, then its some sort of exotic non radio/light based signal.

Page 175
..still further by the complex combat-drug administration systems in his power armour.
White Scars armour has drug delivery systems to enhance performance.

PAge 176
The wave was being transmitted by the Lord of Heavens, at a sub-etheric wavelength that few in the entire Imperium could possibly detect, and was protected by encryption that even fewer could break. With the necessity for a silent insertion, the individual ships of the strike force had to have some way of remaining coordinated with one another so that they each arrived at the correct interface point at the correct moment in time. Instead of synchronising with each other’s machine systems, each Thunderhawk would follow the nigh undetectable signal transmitted by the Lord of Heavens, riding the wave right onto their target.
The carrier wave again.

PAge 181
Seeing no sign of an enemy on his first sweep, Kholka engaged the thermal imaging function...
Magnoculars have thermal imaging functions.

Page 186-187
“Approaching local Karman line,” the pilot said. “One hundred kilometres.”

The turbulence increased still further as the Thunderhawk plummeted through the atmosphere.
...
Because the need for stealth was so great, the vessel and its sister ships would only engage manoeuvring thrusters at the last possible moment, before triggering their anti-grav generators to arrest their final descent.
...
“Activating manoeuvring thrusters,”
...
“One hundred kilometres to objective,” Brother Koban announced. “Applying anti-grav in ten seconds.”
...
Kor’sarro braced himself and counted down the seconds in his head. As he reached zero, the gunship’s forwards momentum was dramatically reduced, its structure groaning in protest.
...
“Fifty kilometres to landing zone,” the pilot calmly announced. “Awakening machine systems.”
Using antigrav as a braking mechanism in the atmosphere. 50 km in 10 seconds implies 5 km/s (which fits with orbital-reentry velocities quite well, and also in turn suggests hundreds of gees worth of deceleration by that AG. Provides an interesting means of thrust and manuvering, at least if the ship has AG and is close enough to an object it can act against.

Page 194
With a flick of a thumb, Kholka engaged the thermal sights. They had failed him before, due to a combination of the higher than usual background heat signature of the volcanic rocks, and the enhanced armour cooling systems utilised by the Raven Guard force. The two had evened out and without the contrast of hot against cold the weapon’s war spirit had been unable to detect a target.
More bolte rthermal imaging, and the fact Raven guard have specialized cooling systems to make them stealthier

Page 196
Each carried a lascarbine, a relatively advanced weapon compared to the mass-produced, solid projectile autoguns issued to the bulk of the local military.

Lascarbine more advanced (superior) to autoguns.

Page 210
“you drowned an entire quadrant in blood. And you did so at my behest. The fane-worlds of Gan-Barak were cast down in a single night, a billion sycophants crushed beneath the falling stones of their own altars. The wars of Lord Griffon were halted in the blink of an eye, a million kilometres of trench lines brimming with the blood of a billion martyrs. The corpsegas of an entire planetary population ignited at a single spark, scouring a whole world of the pathetic subjects of the Corpse-Emperor. An entire Titan legion fell, literally fell, as it advanced across the burning plains of dying Nova Gethsemane. Do you recall all of that, prisoner? Do you recall what deeds were done, in my name?”

...
"Oh, they try to lock away what accounts survived, to rewrite their histories to blame the death of a thousand worlds upon disease or insurgence or incompetence."
Again isntead of a dozen we're getting a thousand worlds destroyed by the bloodtide. That means an average of 1 billioin per planet, and 1 quadrillion people in the Imperium (for 1 million worlds, at least.)

Also the Imperium can just 'hide' the facts of the death of 1000 worlds. This doesnt seem to be a major loss for them. Not exactly trivial, but hardly crippling.

Page 221
Brother Dhantin was lying on the ground, having been caught in the burst of stubber fire. Shrike cursed, for the Space Marine’s power armour should have been proof against such a weapon. A single round had caught the battle-brother in the neck, penetrating the less well-armoured joint and severing his carotid artery. Even the superhuman physiology of a Space Marine could be wounded and Shrike had seen dozens of brave warriors fall to every type of weapon known to the universe.

Another member of the Command squad, Brother Keed, was rushing towards the fallen battle-brother. More stubber rounds were exploding from Keed’s armour, sending up a shower of sparks from the ceramite.
Space Marines vs Heavy Stubber fire.

Page 229-230
...a searing blast of blinding white light lanced outwards from another of the bastions. The blast struck the bunker the Raven Guard were stood upon, penetrating its metre-thick rockcrete shell and touching off an explosion somewhere inside its depths.
...
Scanning the scene, Shrike judged that the lascannon blast that had so effectively destroyed the bunker..
Lascannon blast punches thorugh a metre of rockcrete. Depending on number of pulses (50-60 I used) and the energy per pulse (2-10 kj) and the diameter of the hole you aim for (5-10 cm diameter is what I used) and assuming concrete, we get a few hundred to half a megajoul of energy for a lascannon.

PAge 230
Still relying on his helmet’s thermal imaging, Shrike was momentarily blinded when a ball of superheated plasma boiled towards him. Though his vision was enhanced by superhuman genetics, his armour’s thermal vista was overloaded.
Ravne guard armour has thermal imaging.

Page 231
Autogun rounds pattered from Shrike’s armour, scoring the paintwork but inflicting no actual damage. Las-bolts lanced out from a defence line twenty metres away, yet it was the plasma gun that Shrike was concerned about.
Weapons fire vs Shrike

Page 231
The gunner fired, and a miniature sun exploded from the barrel of his weapon. Shrike knew instantly where the shot would hit but had no time to shout a warning. The boiling mass of plasma struck an Assault Marine full in the chest. The warrior’s torso was evaporated in an instant, his arms, legs, helmet and jump pack crashing to the ground. The armour smoked as the flesh within boiled off..
Plasma gun vaporizes armoured torso and chest of Space Marine. Hundreds of MJ at least, to several GJ easily, depending on ocmposition and mass assumed. I'd assume at LEAST double/triple digit MJ for boiling away the torso if nothign else.
Page 239
...the surface-to-orbit missile silo. The launchers reared overhead, a dozen and more warheads the size of tanks trained on the skies.
Tank sized surface to orbit silos.

Page 240-241
Even as the warriors of Squad Morior descended upon the leftmost of the heavy bolters a blazing lattice of red beams powered into life all around their target.
...
Sergeant Morior, leading from the front as any of his rank would have been, was the first to be cut into pieces by the laser beams. The sergeant, only ascended to that rank six months before, passed through the net seemingly untouched, but as he emerged his armoured body disintegrated into a dozen chunks. Each tumbled bloodlessly to the ground, the precise cuts instantly cauterised by the intense heat of the beams.
Laser net protecting gun positions.

PAge 241
Instead of a bolt pistol, the third warrior was carrying a plasma weapon and its fuel containment flask detonated with spectacular effect. The explosion engulfed the bearer in a roiling ball of pure white energy as intense as the heart of a star. The Space Marine’s body was reduced to seared atoms and the plasma ball expanded to catch one of the traitor’s ammunition hoppers.
Assault marine vaporized in plasma flask detonation. This would be analogus to a plasma grenade as an example of the ammo capacity of said flask. Vaporizing a marine is hundreds of MJ to several GJ easily.

Page 243
With a thought, he loaded a trio of frag grenades into the launcher barrels atop his jump pack, and diving head first towards the las-net, fired all three tubes at once.
Thought activated, jump pack mounted auto-grenade luancher. Useful toy.

Page 244
Scores died in the opening minutes. Heavy bolter shells ripped through the first bodies they struck, tearing them apart in a welter of gore without detonating before striking the next target. Many shells passed through several traitors before finally exploding, reducing their last target to a ruin of twitching gristle.
Effects and penetration of heavy bolter rounds on unarmoured bodies.

Page 247
The tank’s huge main turret locked upon the wall and the ten metre-long barrel of its main gun elevated, the enemy in its sights.
Baneblade packing 10m long cannon barrel. Usually its only 5 m I'm pretty sure (or thereabouts) Suggesting battle cannon can be longer barreled (EG a russ might have a 5-6 m long cannon barrel, for example)

Page 251
A shell almost the size of a man slammed into the curtain wall where the Raven Guard had stood moments earlier.
Baneblade cannon shell.. if mass could imply a 50-100 kg shell. If volume it could be many times greater depending on composition.

Page 259
The Devastators opened fire at the enemy now thronging the walls for a hundred metres either side of the breach. Following millennia-old combat doctrine, they opened up at the outer edges first, walking their fire along the wall so that first those who had pressed furthest from the breach were cut down, the fire working its way along towards the centre. Within seconds, hundreds of the enemy were torn to shreds by massed heavy bolter fire, blown apart by missiles or incinerated to ashes by seething plasma. Bodies exploded, leaving behind nothing more than a bloody mess.

Others were reduced to constituent atoms leaving nothing behind at all. All of this happened so quickly that none on the wall had a chance to react...
Effects of heavy weapons form Raven Guard Devastators. Single digit MJ (grenade level damage) from bolters or missiles, gigajoules for the plasma weapons, although numbers and rate of fire aren't known.

Page 263
Moonfang sang with the power crackling the length of its razor-sharp, monomolecular edge..
Another mono sword with a power field.

PAge 276
A battle-brother beside Kor’sarro went down, his chest armour ripped open as a dozen bolt-rounds exploded deep within his chest. Another was struck by a missile fired by an Alpha Legion heavy weapons trooper, the projectile blowing the White Scar into a thousand chunks of smoking armour and burned flesh.
A dozen bolt rounds to penetrate and blow out Astartes chest through armour. A single missiel blows apart and disintegrates marine. Figure at least a couple kg of TNT equivlaent, probably several times that.

Page 279
Space Marines were used to being outnumbered hundreds, even thousands to one. They were the scalpel that incised the diseased flesh from the bloated carcass, and they would prevail.
Implied odds of Space Marines. Kinda runs contrary ot the usual "able to deal with 10-12 men" or a company of marines being euqal to a regiment (or 1000 other men.)

Page 280
With a savage twist, Kor’sarro drove the banner pole through his enemy’s chest, severing his spine and penetrating his armour’s power pack. As Kor’sarro withdrew the pole, the body was consumed by the energies unleashed by the destruction of the generator, the armour glowing from within and sagging as it slowly melted.
Power source for Alpha Legion power armour melts said suit. Assuming 200 kilos and iron we're talking a few hundred MJ at least, over an unknown but short period of time (minutes?) at least single or double digit MW, and quite likey double to triple digit MW sustained output (minimum) implied. How much of that translates to useful power is up for debate, but a greater percentage of it must else the Astartes armour would need a magical (EG neutrino radiator or warp shunt) cooling system, which is unlikely.

Page 282
Heavy bolter shells exploded against the Space Marines’ power armour, and while most rounds were stopped by the blessed suits, some were not. In the intense few seconds of the charge, the battle became a kaleidoscope of war. A Space Marine biker was caught by a shell in the joint between chest and upper arm, the shell burying itself in his flesh before exploding and sending his arm cartwheeling off behind. Still the warrior rode on, his armour flooding his system with palliative combat drugs. Another warrior suffered a glancing blow that shattered his helmet’s optics.
Heavy bolter rounds against powered armour.

Page 283-284
Fired from a range of only fifty metres, the shell passed over Kor’sarro and his companions before he even had had time to register the weapon had fired. The shell screamed a scant ten metres overhead, splitting the air...
...
Moments later the shell struck the ground five hundred metres to the White Scars’
rear.[
Implications about Baneblade cannon speed. Assuming 1/20th second reactions (Implied in the Space Wolf novels) we might get a velocity of 1000+ m/s at least. On the other hand, it takes 'moments' to strike 500 m away, and the distances and height implied (10) suggest a much lower velocity (300-400 m/s).. so its kind of up in the air.

Page 298-299
Brother Kergis’ pistol sent a bolt-round into the back of Nullus’ head, the round shattering his skull and penetrating deep into his brain. An instant later, the mass-reactive shell detonated.

But Nullus was no ordinary man to be slain so easily. As the shell exploded, the rent flesh of Nullus’ vile face resisted, even though it appeared to stretch and distort.

Kor’sarro knew then that the champion of Voldorius was exerting every shred of his power in the effort of reknitting his form, so that he might fight on.

Kor’sarro reached for his belt and drew his bolt pistol.
...
Kor’sarro fired and Nullus could keep his mortal form intact no longer. With a shower of gore, the scarred head came apart, showering all three White Scars with oozing grey matter.
Two bolt pistol shots to blow apart Chaos Space Marine Chaption's head. to be fair he's daemon enhanced, so that makes it tougher, and one should have been enough. Several times more effective than blowing off a human head due to difference sin Space MArine toughness and mass.

Page 302-303
The Ninth Eye, the flagship of Lord Voldorius, had moved into orbit and on its master’s order unleashed a fearsome orbit-to-surface bombardment. Warheads the size of tanks streaked from the skies upon black contrails. The first struck the wreckage of the Ironsoul, atomising the twisted ruin and blasting a crater ten metres deep and fifty across.
...
The next warhead plunged into the breach in the wall of South Nine, blasting the installation’s fortifications wide apart.
...
The remainder of the warheads ploughed into the horde seething across the corpse-littered plain towards the walls of Mankarra. In his anger and rage Lord Voldorius had ordered his own slave-troops and deluded followers slaughtered, their deaths serving to quench his vengeance and perhaps bring the favour of the Ruinous Powers of the warp. Dozens of warheads slammed from the skies to obliterate the traitorous horde. So great was the destruction that the walls of Mankarra themselves were shaken and the speeding gunships bucked violently as blast wave after blast wave overtook them. The paintwork of the White Scars’ armoured vehicles blistered and blackened as Rhinos, Predators and the Thunderheart sped away, hatches sealed tight against the air that burned all around.
...
The entire plain was scoured of life. Though the horde of Voldorius had been turned and his champion slain, the warp resounded to the daemon prince’s offering of ten thousand souls.
Orbital bombardment. It implies a fairly large area of effect heated (kms across?) by dozens of warheads, but hard to measure. Each tank sized shell would hit at 10-20 km/s depending on gravity and initial velocity - assuming a 40 ton shell we'd be talking 2 TJ of KE for 10 km/s and 8 TJ for 20 km/s. I'd assume the epxlosive effects are similar. On the other hand, blasting out a 50 m diamter crater only requires a few tens of tons of TNT, unless there is significant melting/vaporization going on (96 and 480 kt approx respectively.)

PAge 314
Morkis jerked the laspistol towards Lannus and a searing white blast spat out.

The shot caught the other man in the side of the head, vaporising half of his skull in an instant.

Lannus’ body crashed backwards into a group of staff officers, who stumbled away from it in disgust as blood and gore splattered their uniforms.
Laspistol vapes side of head. IF its literal vaporization we're talking several MJ. If it's figurative (just exploding it out) it could be a few kj, a few tnes of kj depending on mechanism. Something else (like steam explosion) might fall somewhere within those extremes. Thermal effects (assuming third/fourth degree burns) might add anywhere from 20-80 kj for the head (assuming a 20 cm diameter hea,d and between 50-200 j per sq cm) If we assume full out 'flaying the skin off' counting as vaping half the skull, we might get 160 kj (400 j per sq cm as per here.

Page 315
“Would not that weapon be put to better use blowing your own sorry excuse for a brain to atoms?” said the Quartermaster General.
That would suggest at least some vaporization went on (of the brain if nothing else) :P high KJ to low MJ if that were the case (somewhere between a boiling steam explosion and outright vaporization, assuming a 1 kg brain)

Page 315
The laspistol swung rapidly to the left and a second blast filled the chamber. The shot took Lord Colonel Elenritch square in the chest, punching a hole straight through his torso.
...
General Orson however, made a sudden dash towards one of the chamber portals. He was dead, a smoking hole in his back, before he had gone three steps.
This time the holes are much neater, it seems, although it doesnt rule out the exit wounds blowing out behind the chests (or out the back) Drilling a hole straight through would be single digit KJ easily, not including thermal effects (which depending on hole size and depth could be single or double digit kj)

Page 316
Morkis fired, and Ackenvol’s head snapped backwards, a searing hole burned between his eyes.
...
But Morkis had unleashed a final blast of his laspistol, blowing Kline’s stomach away, its contents spilling across the lord colonel even as he died.
Two more laspistol bursts. one puts hole between eyes, the other blows out stomach (mostly) Assuming a roughly head sized hole in the gut we might figure 10-100 kj roughly. ASsuming a 15x15 cm hole and the 400 j sq cm flaying bit we get 90 kj. Figure some fraction of that (1/3 or 1/4 that) for severe burns alone.

Hole through head is single or double digit kj depending on hole size, depth, and thermal damage.

Page 324
The gate was faced in cast bronze and glowed as if aflame as it reflected the orange light of Quintus’ sun. The twenty metre-tall portal displayed a devotional scene, heroic warriors of the Emperor fighting the barbaric greenskins.
An idea of the (approximate) size of the gate.

Page 326-327
Kor’sarro actually saw the siege shell propelled from the cannon and arcing towards the gates. Instead of velocity, the shell relied on sheer explosive force to penetrate its target, containing a destabilised fusion core that when forced to a critical reaction would destroy almost any target within a highly localised area.

The shell struck the gate and detonated on impact. A ball of orange fire flashed into existence one moment and was gone the next, unleashing a thunderous roar and a blistering wave of heat. Where the shell struck, the gate suffered a near-perfectly circular wound, great runnels of liquefied bronze seeping do.

...
The second siege shell smashed into the gates, the gunner targeting a point lower down than his first shot. Again, the orange ball of nucleonic fire erupted into being and an instant later collapsed in upon itself, leaving a second wound that bled runnels of liquid bronze.The second attack sent trails of incandescent plasma spitting from the wounds and licking its surface. The battling figures of men and orks melted hideously into one another.
...
The next shell struck the lower portion of the gates, which had been so weakened by the preceding impacts that they could not withstand another pounding. Searing nuclear fire erupted at their base, and in an instant the entire bronze structure was vaporised into a rapidly expanding ball of plasma. Impossible energies engulfed the entire portal, and what remained of the two flanking defence towers sagged as rockcrete melted and ran like lava.
Assuming 1 metre tall, 5 m wide (wide enough to allow vehicles to pass through) and 10 m tall and made entirely of copper (too lazy to work out bronze) 1357K for melting point, 2840K for boiling point, latent heat of fusion 205 kj per kg, specific heat of 390 j per kg*K, and Latent heat of evaporation is 4.7 MJ per kg, and density 8940 kg*m^3. 447 tons of copper. To melt requires some 617 kj per kg, to vaporize 5.9 MJ per kg. 276 GJ to melt (in thre shells), 2.64 TJ to vaporize. I suspect its not total vaporiation, so it fits somehwere within those three values, especially since the surrounding towers melt (we dont know how much left there either, but assuming 10m tall, 1/2 m thick and 2 m wide walls we might figure 40-50 GJ per tower.)

Overall it seems likely mid to high GJ range for all three shells a least, possibly low TJ. The one complicating factor aside from the conjecture on values is that this isn't a 'normal' fusion reaction in the least, its one of those weird quasi-plasma 'magic cloud that eats/conversta matter ot energy' shits that we often get, as well as the fact the magic melting/vaping firestorm effect only really triggers on the third shell (some sort of buildup perhaps based on what happens with the second shell.)

The mechanism is possibly related to the sorts of cyclonics that explosively convert matter to energy, given the oddities, so there would be a technobabble angel to the mechanism - quite akin, in fact, to a conversion beamer (delays followed by sudden vaporization. On the plus side this also suggests fusion reactors are not always 'just' fusion, which is what we knew from novels like Salamanders. The Imperium has lots of exotic energy conversion techs. :P

source here for data on copper


Page 327
Kor’sarro felt the searing heat on his face. He could only imagine what devastation was being wrought upon the defenders stationed behind it and on the walls nearby. Only cinders would mark their passing.
At least GJs then since there's probably multiple defenders stationed on walls and around the tower (and we know there's quite a few behind it shortly) and this is just side effects.

329-330
Every square metre of the ground behind the portal was carpeted in bones, and the air was laced with the taint of burnt meat. The plasma storm touched off by the third of Thunderheart’s siege shells must have engulfed far more than the gate and defence towers. By Kor’sarro’s estimation, an entire battalion of troops—most likely the indentured militia—had been mustered to defend the gates should they be forced.

Over a thousand militia troopers had been incinerated when the plasma storm had been triggered, reduced in seconds to blackened bones.
1000 troopers virtually cremated. Hundreds to thousands of gigajoules confirmed as above, so its a rather nice way to benchmark the value, although like I said the plasma storm seems a secondary effect and is in general kinda odd so translating this into 'direct' firepower per shell isn't easy (given the similarities to conversion beamers and nucleonic weapons.) At the very least, leaving molten craters in the wall would be suggestive of single gJ per shell I'd expect, and that isn't bad for a Leman Russ sized tank munition.


Page 333
Though not as fast or manoeuvrable as the bike squads, the tanks were equipped with a fearsome array of anti-personnel weapons, which they unleashed in a storm of mass-reactive rounds as they advanced forwards across the bone-strewn ground.
They can't be a great DEAL slower, since they manage to keep up without losing much in the way of ground (maybe 10 km/hr slower tops?)

Page 334
As the tanks opened fire, the entire front rank of the horde simply evaporated.

Those struck in the torso exploded, their ragged limbs arcing high into the air. Within seconds, scores of the traitor militia were dead, reduced to chunks of steaming meat scattered about the ground or splattered across their compatriots.
Effect of predator tank weapons against infantry outnumbering White Scars 'scores' to one (thousands of troops). According to the inset there are 3 predators. Assume exploding militia are each hit with firepower equal to a grenade.

Page 335
The other occasion had been on Delta Arbuthnot, when a potent, alpha-level psyker had forced an entire planetary population of ratling agri-serfs to rise up against the landowners in an orgy of bloodshed, even though they were armed with no more than shovels and their foes with automatic weapons.
Mind control power of Alpha level psyker. At least thousands, if not millions for a agri world planetary population.

Page 336
One was firing an autopistol at point-blank range into the driver’s vision block, emptying an entire magazine in a couple of seconds.
Assuming a 20 shot clip we might be talking 7-10 rounds per second (420-600 rpm)

Page 336
Kergis drew his bolt pistol, and exploded the man’s head with a single, almost point-blank shot.
Bolt pistol headshotting.,

Page 337
The force passed the area strewn with the blackened bones of the enemies caught in the plasma fires unleashed when the gate fell.
Again mention of the weird secondary "plasma fires" triggered by the impact of 3 successuive Thunderer shells.

Page 346
The gunship unleashed a salvo of missiles directly into the mass of mutant cannibals. Kor’sarro said a silent prayer for his fallen brethren, hoping they would be consoled by the fact that their bodies and wargear would be reduced to ashes and defiled no more.
Salvo of gunship missiles (hellstrikes?) Reduce marines and presumably the mutants to ashes (and melt the armor) but we dont know hwo many missiles and how many mutants or Marines. Somewhere in the multiple- GJ range I guess.

Page 356
Upon seeing those symbols, Kholka drew his combat knife and pressed its monomolecular tip to the man’s jugular.
Obligatory Space Marine mono-edged combat knife.

Page 362
“I could use my fusion core to boost the signal, but that might compromise our mission.”
Ravne guard armour has a fusion core. They seem to run them at lower outputs as a rule to prevent detection, which is probably one reason their enhahnced cooling is so effective.

Page 368
Ordinarily, full Adeptus Astartes power armour would have compromised the patrol’s stealthy advance. Its electro-magnetic signature might have given it away to augur sweeps or the faint hum of its fusion core might have been heard by watchful sentinels. The armour worn by the Raven Guard was different, every sound baffledand their tread almost as silent as the Scouts’.


Capabilities of stealthed Ravne Guard armour - EM and sound dampening.

Page 384
His power fist crackled with arcs of blue energy and the air around it grew hazy.

The sergeant struck the iron doors a titanic blow. The iron splintered and blew outwards as the gauntlet discharged its potent energies in a single, devastating blast.

As the fragments of the iron doors crashed to the stone floor beyond..
Powerfist of a Marine blasts a door down and open.

Page 385
The portal was at the top of a flight of massive stairs at one end of the kilometre-long nave.
...
A long moment of silence stretched out, and then it was broken as the Alpha Legion warriors opened fire from halfway along the nave.
Implies the Alpha Legion open fire on the White Scars from between 500-1000 m away, depending on actual distribution amongst the other half.

Page 394
Another White Scar died at Kor’sarro’s side as a blast from a plasma pistol vaporised his head, the decapitated body falling to its knees before the killer and toppling forwards with a mighty crash.
Head vaping.. if its literal we're talking maybe 10-20 MJ at least.

Page 394-395
A blinding white beam of light lanced out from somewhere on the steps behind Kor’sarro. Though he had seen the sight a hundred times before, on a dozen battlefields the length and breadth of the galaxy, Kor’sarro had never failed to be awed by the power the Storm Seer Qan’karro could call to being to strike down the Emperor’s foes. The white light fell upon the mass of enemies and a cluster of Alpha Legionnaires boiled inside their power armour, great torrents of greasy, foul-smelling vapour spilling from emergency vents before the suits clattered, empty of anything except bubbling sludge, to the ground.
Power of White Scars librarian.. figure boiling flesh of a marine is at least tens of Megajoules, perhaps triple digit MJ for partial evaporation.. over an unknown period of time (short persumably) and in unknown number (fewer than hundreds)

Page 398
Reaching to a pack at his belt, he withdrew a single round of rare, specialised ammunition. It was a vengeance round, its core packed with super-dense, highly volatile fissile material. Such rounds were capable of utterly destroying any target they struck, leaving little but pulp behind.
Vengeance rounds. Either this is an exotic kind of fission (probable) or they have extremely good control over what sort of critical mass they can achieve in a fission reaction.

Page 400
A trail of enemy dead stretched half a kilometre, behind him along the length of the nave..
Implies the Legion was occupying the latter half kilometre of the nave, suggesting at least some gunfire was possibly towards 1 km in range.

Page 407
As a hundred tonnes of rock descended upon Voldorius, Kor’sarro dived forwards.
..
The entire cathedral was suddenly filled with the dust of a hundred tonnes of rock pulverised by the impact.
...
Upon the platform lay the fragment that had once been the Emperor’s upraised arm. Upon the stairs lay a portion of a leg, and along a fifty-metre stretch of the nave was scattered the remainder of the statue.
...
The mighty form of Lord Voldorius reared from the billowing cloud, his wings, now tattered and ragged, unfolding overhead. Voldorius raised his black sword high above his head, his snarling face a mask of savage, daemonic fury.
Voldorius survives having a 100 tonne statue (or part of one) collapse on him. He doesn't survive getting Shrike's lightning claws through the chest and a subsequent decapitation however.

Page 415
The statue of the Emperor Triumphant was restored, the sisters of the Orders Pronatus piecing it together, one fragment at a time, over the course of a decade until it stood once more in all its former glory.
Mention of the Order Pronatus Sisters and their reassembling the aforementioned 100 tonne statue. piece by piece. Talk about dedication.
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Next for Space MArine Battles: Fall of Damnos. This essentially novelizes the event from the 5th edition core rules pertaining ot the Necron invasion, as well as being a spiritual sequel to 'Assault on Black REach' with Sicarius (and the same characters from that story. I know I haven't covered that novel but it will have to wait for the (eventual) Ultramarines thread.

I dont know if many people liked FoD but I did like the characterizations at least. It also seemed to lack alot of the coherency issues plot-wise that the Salamander series currently suffers from. We also get another glimpse into what ws the new 'theme' of the Necrons, which was better personality wise than they were before, but as we know not everyone likes the new Necrons (I do, at least.) You read it for the Necron stuff, and the character interactions, and the rest is pretty much fighting, although I found the fighting less tedious than other novels.

Covered in two parts:


Insets:
Geothermic fusion stations under the purveiw of Mechancius Magos Karnak suffer critical failure after increased seismic activity..
...
Tyrrean Ocean - Upon crossing the largest water mass on Damnos, the necrons drain much of the ocean into an extra-dimensional sinkhole, turning it into a barren wasteland. All fighting vessels still operational are beached, their crews slaughtered.
Geothermic fusion reactors - dont ask me how they work. Also the Necrons manage to pull off a 'portable hole' trick to drain the oceans.

Page 7
The primary generators were dead.
...
The last tremor had been the largest – the Mandos Prime fusion stations were down.
The inserts describe them as 'geothermic fusion' reactors.. so.. yeah. lol.

Page 8
It was flashing, and a small binaric code indicated the other exofabricator was a further eightysix point two metres down.
Necron pyramids at least this depth below the surface of the planet.

Page 19
Eventually they fell and the swarm dispersed, silver beetle-like creatures the size of Falka’s clenched fist, leaving a flensed corpse in their wake.


fist-sized Scarabs.

Page 19
A coruscating emerald beam lanced from the darkness, throwing a spider-like creature into sharp relief. Like the beetles it was metallic, but almost the size of a rigger. The beam, fired from one of the creature’s mandibles, struck a fleeing rig-hand and atomised him. The afterimage of the man’s flayed skeleton was seared into Jynn’s retinas just before it collapsed into ash and she looked away.
Flayer beam

Page 21
There was still no word from Damnos Prime, and the Valkyrie gunships Lieutenant Sonne had deployed from Secundus to investigate were also quiet.
They had Valkyries on the planet.

Page 22
on the right was a vox-unit. Its message received light was flashing silently.
...
Colonel Tarn tapped a rune on the vox-unit and a grainy hololith issued from a projector-node. It took a few seconds to synch to the audio. Major Tarken appeared in jagged resolution.
...
"Image-servitors accompanied the platoon"
Guard using image servitors, and a vox unit that has hololithic capability. and vox that can transmit visual as well as auditory data.

Page 24
Tarken’s troopers went to full automatic, draining their power packs with an abandon and urgency Adanar had never seen before in professional soldiers.
Implies full auto can rapidly drain the powerpack - in seconds probably. for a 50-60 shot lasgun we're talking probably anywhere from 10-30 shots per second, assuming between 2-5 seconds 'endurance'. If we go as high as 10 seconds it might be only 5-6 shots a second.

Page 25
Adanar saw the creature jerk spasmodically as it was struck by countless las-shots. It must have taken over ten well-placed bolts to down it. Chunks of metal flew off its carapace body, fused rib-plate and punctured presumably vital systems before it fell.
10 Las shots to fell a single 'Necron. Implied melting, but we can't really know for sure - and in any case living metal doesn't 'melt' like real materials (as per Hellforged) so its hard to evaluate. If we assume it melted 10 ribs (assume a 2x2x10 cm area of iron) - it would be around 300-400 kj per shot.. but again that's if it was iron and if its a thermal weapon and if living metal responded like iron, which hellforged suggests otehrwise.

Page 25
Wires snaked across the ground finding other wires and, like sewn flesh, drew the shattered pieces together. Metal became as mercury, dissolving into liquid before being drawn to the torso as if magnetised.
Necron self repair in action.

Page 25
The vox-man next to him was spun by a glancing hit from one of the beams. Half of his face and right shoulder were missing, simply stripped down to glistening bone.
Flayer damage

Page 25-26
Major Tarken took a hit to the chest. His carapace armour dissolved on contact, so too his uniform and under-mesh, his skin and flesh and bone. A hole opened up in his back, what remained of blood and innards cauterised before Tarken crumpled in a dead heap.
Flayer again. Implied to cauterize insides suggesting significant thermal effects. Not the first time it's suggested flayers are partly thermal (either as a damage mechanism or a side effect) either. Not calvable here really without knowing size of hole.

also carapace armour has an 'under-mesh' - mesh armor?

Page 27
"The Nobilis has been contacted and is adopting geo-stationary orbit above the capital."

...
"They are coming to Kellenport, Sonne. I sent over fifty thousand men to Damnos Prime and Secundus, and all the stations inbetween. All of them, our fleet at anchor in the Tyrrean – dead, all of them."
50K troops dead already, and a starship in orbit adopting geostationary orbit. It seems like Damnos had a permanant naval ship assigned to it, for whatever reason.

Page 28
...servitors slaved to control-pits worked tirelessly to manoeuvre the ship, responding to the dictates of their helmsman; others processed and relayed back firing information, making minor weapons adjustments that would be fed down to the gun-decks.

"‘Melta torpedoes at forty-four per cent, my lord."
Servitor bridge crew, some of which provide and relay fire control data to gundecks. Not sure what 'forty four' percent means, maybe the number of loads left?

Page 29
A capital ship, the largest in the line, Dominator-class – it was an expression of Unser’s undeniable will and righteous anger.
Nobilis is a dominator class - probably a cruiser.

Page 29
Bright, blazing contrails invaded the vista as the torpedo payload sped earthwards.

Unser leant forwards, revelling in the power. "And in three… two… one–"
...
The Nobilis was at the cusp of the mesosphere and close enough to see the effect of the incendiaries on the ground.
...
"Hits on eighty per cent of targets, lord."
'torpedo' bombardment. They're in the mesosphere 'cusp' so I'm guessing they're 100-120 km or so up (depending on source) It takes around 3 seconds or so for the 'torpedoes' to strike, so we're talking a velocity of tens of km/s. Assuming a 100 ton torpedo, we might get 80 TJ per torpedo, which would be approximately right for orbital bombardments.

Page 29
The air was hot and sweaty on the gun-decks. Thousands of crew and hauler-servitors scurried in packs as the order came down from the bridge.
Servitors used for loading torpedoes or guns. Why there are torpedoes on the 'gun deck' I have no fricking clue, unless they mean broadside missile tubes.

Page 30
The lash cracked out again and the crews of torpedo tubes five through ten picked up the pace. All down the port-ventral aisle of the Nobilis’s gun-deck.
..
In less than three minutes the next barrage of torpedoes was prepared, the tubes locked, their deadly cargo primed for launch. A wave of green ‘ready’ runes flickered down the hot darkness of the gun-deck. Vox communication went to the gunners who angled the tubes mechanically from their firing nests according to solutions provided by the bridge.
Again the 'torpedoes'. I dont think they're literally torpedoes but rather broadside missile or guided shell tubes because:

- Dominator cruisers have nova cannon, they don't carry torpedo armaments

- Torpedoes are huge, and generally on cruisers are prow mounted in batteries of six. Whereas there are at least ten here, and in a broadside (port/ventral. suggesting there is a port dorsal.... at least twenty tubes per side. And not including other weapons.)

- Torpedo launchers can't be angled. they're too big for that. Of course maybe this is one of those 100 ton torpedoes we get from that black Templars short story :P

In any case, the loading/refire rate for the torpedo/missiles is 3 minutes.

Page 31
The Nobilis’s shields capitulated in seconds, one after the other, and the once mighty vessel’s armour was sheared away like parchment by the necron beam.
Shields (birefly) stop Necron beam

Page 32
"but the ship is dead, my lord – all twelve thousand, three hundred and eighty-one souls.’"
Crew complement of the Nobilis. rather light for a cruiser, by FFG standards. Maybe it was all those servitors? :P

Page 33
"We got it out just before the blackout."

Though most short-wave vox transmissions were still in effect, anything longer range, certainly off-world communication, was utterly dead. The necrons had some kind of jamming shroud fouling it.
Necrons can jam comms, even astrotelepathy it seems.

Page 34
"Open fire!" snapped Sytner and the crack of las filled the chamber along with the stink of fyceline.

Silver beetle-creatures split in half and spun off the corpse. A few las-bolts even pierced poor Gaben-dun, though the master of ordnance was little more than a sack of slowly dissolving meat by now.
Laspistols blast apart what are probably scarabs, which earlier were identified as fist sized. AGain assuming steel and a 5 mm spot size and 10 microsecond burst we're talking tens or hundreds of kilojoules to burst. Although being living metal it may not exactly correspond to iron (although I'd say its alot tougher than iron so this probably works.)

Page 35
The choirmaster did, just as his face and torso were melted off by the second spider’s beam-spike. It started as a death-shriek then ended in a wet gurgle of sloughed flesh and matter.


Gauss weapons again.

Page 35
When he squeezed the trigger, the weapon groaned and failed. Exhausted during those first frantic moments, the power pack was out.
Laspistol exhausted in 'moments'. Depending on how long this fcould imply a fairly high ROF.

Page 38
Each time Brother Lodis manoeuvred the Valin’s Revenge out of harm’s way or used the debris to ward them. Shields flickered with the glancing impacts, several minor hits were confirmed by the damage crews but still the ship drew closer,
Voids stop necron beam attacks, at least glancing hits.

Page 41
Energy beams, viperous and emerald green, streaked through the smoke before Sicarius’s retinal scanners could resolve a better view.
Retinal scanners

Page 41
He checked the dispersal on his retinal display. A series of ident-runes showed good separation and fire-arc discipline.
REtinal display shows dispersion and formation of squad units.

Page 42
Varro Tigurius dropped into a crouch, gauss-beams flashing against a kine-shield the Chief Librarian had raised around him.
Psychic shield blocking gauss attacks.

Page 43-44
Two of the ghoulish creatures juddered and expired from Tigurius’s lightning arcs, the flayed human skin draped across them like cloaks and cowls burning off in a noisome flesh-smoke.
Psychic lightning downing Flayed Ones

Page 44
A plasma bolt took one of the flayed ones in the chest, annihilating mechanical organs and processors. The necron collapsed in a heap, quivered and then phased from existence as if it had never even been there.

Another sloughed away under the beam of Cator’s meltagun. Despite the rapid self-repair engines of the necron’s advanced mechorganics, the damage was critical and it too was teleported away.
Plasma and melta weapons one-shot Necrons.

PAge 44
Impact sparks riddled the onrushing necron, jarring but not stopping it.
Bolter fire less successful against flayed ones.

Page 45-46
The forbidding arc of necron pylons and the long noses of gauss siege cannon blighted the horizon line. Sustained particle whips and focussed energy beams bombarded the city of Kellenport relentlessly.
Necron artillery.

Page 47
Ferrocrete, armaplas and adamantite had been made a mockery of by the necron flayer technology.
Material defenses don't do much to stop flayers.

Page 47
The necrons had some kind of device, a phasic-generator the tech-priests had postulated. It had allowed the bulk of their awakened troops to teleport directly behind the Ark Guard’s defensive positions.
One form of Necron teleporter.

Page 48
Rotational guns – las and autocannon, heavy stubber and bolter – slaved to a rail network, spat muzzle flashes into an alien darkness.
Rail mounted heavy weapons.

Page 50
The enemy had annihilated the armour columns with perfunctory ease and then used their swarm creatures to gut the machine innards of the Imperial tanks and convert them into more necron warrior constructs.
apparently they can make Warriors out of tanks. :P

Page 53
A strange sensation emanated from the newlyarrived enemy, something brought on by the effects of the generator’s recent activation. The world spun vertiginously and Adanar was forced to cling to the battlement for support. He heard screams, echoing through the fog of sudden dislocation, and assumed several of the Ark Guard stationed on the wall had fallen.
...
Sergeant Nabor was on his knees, blubbering like an infant with his hands over his ears
Some sort of necron tech to fuck with the balance/body control/perception of the troops.

Page 63
"Your tactica briefings are inloaded to your retinal displays – I suggest we all analyse that data during launch. Their technology, resilience and ability to self-repair are all in there."
Briefing data inloaded into Astartes power armour.

Page 63
"Preparing for the unknown, adapting to face the unforeseen scenario, it is what we Space Marines excel at. We are not the Guard, mere men, who would balk and pale in the face of this enemy."
A good point. considering the sheer number of aliens and the unpredictability of Chaos, it's rather hard for the Imperium's military forces to truly prepare or optimzie to face any given threat, because they don't know what kind of enemy they might have to face.

Something similar was pointed out in John Scalzi's Old Man's War series.

Page 65
Hot beams from their gaussflayers turned the accumulated snow to slush that detonated wetly beneath Iulus’s armoured tread.
Again necron beams seem to have a thermal component

Page 65
The snow-fog occluded the view. Retinal sensors built into his helmet lenses overcame that easily, the reddish blur of the unique necron heat signature readily discernible in his field of vision.
Necrons have a 'unique' heat signature. I wonder what sort of radiation they have.

Page 66
Several of the automatons jerked and bucked against the bolt storm before collapsing into the snow-slush.
Bolter fire seems to have better luck against the Warriors here.

Page 66
Nothing barring critical system damage would prevent a necron’s ability to selfrepair.
Self repair.

Page 66
There was little to no cover on the plaza, the necrons had levelled it with their cannonade, but that was why Space Marines wore power armour – ceramite battle-plate was all the cover they needed.
Power armour supposedly is a substitute for cover. That said, most Marines still make use of cover in one case or another - they can't ignore all attacks.

Page 67
Even the necrons’ enhanced repair ability couldn’t save them from the searing beam of a lascannon or metal-sloughing effects of a multi-melta.
Necrons can't stand up to anti-tank weapons (unless they are tank analogues, of course.)

Page 67
Bolters tracked and fired to compensate, relying on advanced targeting sensors..
Targeting sensors.


Page 69
His eyes became hateful slits as he unleashed the full fury of his flamer.

The swarm died in a nucleonic storm and Iulus was readying to advance when his retinal display was overloaded by a beam hit to his eye. He cried out, dropping his chainsword so he could rip his helmet off before it corroded through and the gauss-flayer started in on his face, but still held onto Galvia.

The battle-helm hit the ground with a dull thud and rolled, the right ocular lens partially dissolved, the ceramite around it bare and raw.
Nucleonic space marine flamer, and a gauss weapon acting like some sort of acid/chemical corrosive weapon. Apparently there is a 'delay' in gauss weapons burning through power armour.

Page 72-73
Despite the fact the Ultramarines assault force was still several kilometres away, he could tell that the war cells protecting the pylons and gauss obliterators were numerous. He had a good eye for that. Ortus spent most of his training allocation on the firing ranges. He could deploy his weapon like a sniper rifle, so accomplished was his aim.

"Find the leader and you have my permission to take the shot"
Might imply a range of several km for a bolt gun in the hands of a skilled marksman.

Page 73
Imperial tacticians, those that were privy to the threat of the necrontyr, had postulated that rather than being unfeeling automatons the necrons actually adhered to a series of ‘protocols’ not that dissimilar from a servitor’s. Their logic-engines were far more advanced, of course, but by removing the sentient will that guided it, a war cell would resort to secondary functions. Their tactics would become less adaptable and more predictable. Such a disadvantage made them easier to defeat and increased the likelihood of a full scale ‘phasal retreat’. These were all theories, however.
Necron tactics.

Page 76-77
"One of their number, part of the hierarchy, communicated with me. He called himself the Herald. But I saw something else, a fragment of the future."
...
"The truth eludes me, brother. A dark pall is clouding my prescience. Another of their kind…"
Necrons can communicate with a Librarian, at least a cryptek can. And may possiby mess with precog.

Page 79
The monomolecular blade should have carved into it, but slipped through the creature as if parting vapour.
Mono bayonet.

Page 86
The Ark Guard were four hundred strong when they left the Courtyard of Thor, just under two battalions.
200 troops or so per 'battalion'. Which is actually just a large company.

Page 86-87
Muhrne was the first one Falka noticed. The pugnacious sergeant couldn’t even scream as the gauss-beam flayed him. Metal and cloth became particles, skin and flesh turned to dust, organs liquefied until there was nothing left of Muhrne but a charred skeleton. Even that cracked apart when it hit the ground.
...
Charred skeletons were exploding all around him as the necrons exposed the weakness of the human form so horrifically.
Gauss fire again.. with thermal effects. MJ range tat least for severe burns/charring skeletons.

Page 87
Falka checked the load and hauled the trigger. His first shots went wide and too fast. He was still running and needed to conserve his ammunition. Keep going at that rate and he’d be out in a few seconds.
Las-carbine would run out of power in 'a few seconds' Assuming 40 shots, we're talking between 8-20 shots per second (2-5 seconds duration). A few seconds would lean closer to 14-20 shots/second

Page 91
The Undying sighed, though he had no breath to expel from his mechaorgans, nor did his fleshless torso heave.
Mech organs? .

Page 92
A flash of translocation lit the grand tomb chamber. When it abated, the Architect was in a different room. Using his chronomancy, he had descended several levels in a nanosecond.
Apparently their manipulation of time/space can allow them to 'teleport' from one location to another in a fraction of a second. This makes me wonder what would happen if the Necrons used this for their starships at near-c velocities. A billion light seconds turns out to ~32 light years in a second. Actually quite fast - if possible they could cross the galaxy in about an hour (assuming they didn't collide with something.)

Even if he cant assuming he can transfer at least sveral 'level's (assume 2-3 m per level) in a nanosecond we're talking speeds that translate effectively to thousands or tens of thousands times c. Perhaps this is the mechanism of the FTL we saw in Hellforged and/or Dark Creed.

Page 101
Ahead of the squad, Agnathio led the line. His armoured bulk bore the worst of the intense gauss-barrage. A fusillade of beams staggered the Dreadnought and Iulus willed the venerable one to endure it.
Dreadnoughts seem peculiarly resilient to gauss fire.


Page 101-102
The hulking necron in his sights bucked, sparks cascaded off its armoured body, but it came on undaunted. Galvia and Urnos added their bolters to their sergeant’s barrage, but to little effect.
...
Aristaeus opened up his flamer, bathing the front line with a wave of super-heated promethium. Implacable, the mechanoids just ploughed through it, their bodies trailing with tendrils of fire and smoke.
Here, bolter and gauss fire prove less effective against Necron Immortals

Page 102
Agnathio levelled his multi-melta and sent a blast into the necron elites. It cut one of the mechanoids in half and it phased out.
Dreadnought multimeltas however, do quite well

Page 102
A second necron lost a limb but incredibly self-repaired, its living metal reflowing and its wires re-stitching before Iulus’s very eyes.
Immortal self-repair

Page 103
The wounded mechanoid was only partway through its regeneration cycle when a salvo of mass-reactive shells from the Dreadnought’s storm bolter
tore it open. Balefires dying in its eyes, the necron phased out.
Again dreadnought weaponry works well. storm bolter phases out an Immortal.

Page 104
He ran headlong at the necrons, ignoring the gauss-beams glancing off his armour.
Gauss fire glances off power armour

Page 104
A spew of assault cannon shells ripped a ragged hole in the elites, interrupting their fire pattern and allowing Iulus and his squad the precious seconds they needed to close the gap.
Assault cannon do well against Immortals also.

Page 105
Up close the elites were even bigger, dwarfing even the Space Marines. Iulus
Size of immortals

Page 105
He rammed his bolt pistol into the creature’s neck cavity and pulled the trigger.

Spitting shards of metal opened up a dozen shallow cuts on his face but the necron’s head came away, leaving behind a sheared spinal column. Iulus kicked it over with an exultant roar before it phased out.
Necks are weak points for Necrons. It seems even with robots, hit location matters.

Page 105
The assault cannon shrieked and a half-dozen mechanoids were ruined, their shattered bodies flung into the closing mist.
Assault cannon screws over Necrons again.

PAge 107
"Keep the barrel cool," he bellowed at another working a tripod-mounted multi-laser. "Don’t let it overheat."
Multilaser support weapon for the PDF Forces on Damnos

PAge 107
He’d found a pair of magnoculars clutched in the cauterised limb of some dead officer. The rest of the soldier’s body was gone, presumably atomised by the enemy gauss-flayers.
...
Through the scope’s infra-red – conventional vision was largely useless for detailed observation in the snow-fog
Officers scopes have infrared. Also gauss thermal effects again.

Page 109
He’d wanted to pare the powered suits down for better manoeuvrability, remove all but the body armour and leg greaves. Tigurius had forbidden it. The necrons were too dangerous, their technology too advanced, to go up against without full protection.
This suggests power armour can vary in weight and coverage depending on how they rig the suit, trading mobility for protection. They also have differing degrees of protection I gather. We can extrapolate from this that the variable protection of and the weight of Power armour can vary with how it is rigged.

Page 109
Whatever sensors or auspex-devices they possessed were being foiled by the weather and the altitude just like the Ultramarines’ scanning gear.
Limits on Necron troop scanning gear.

Page 110
After Black Reach, Telion had told him that the Codex was not a book of strictures, nor was it meant to be an inflexible and comprehensive tactical manual.

"It is our primarch’s wisdom," he’d said, "distilled for all of us to utilise as we see fit. Some in the Chapter are old and hidebound, but as Adeptus Astartes we must adapt. The spur that does not bend before the sudden storm will surely break, Scipio.
Considering what we learn from Guilliman himself in the HH anthnologies pertaining to that, it's not meant to be infelxible or comprehensive. IT also is an interest contrast with Company commanders like Ideon, and later Uriel, as they are considered radicals by many other Smurfs.

Page 111
A necron lay dismembered in the valley basin. Attached to each of its limbs, skull and torso was a tubular device wrapped in wire.
...
The other Ultramarine was prodding the tubular devices with his combat blade. "There’s an electrical charge running through these wires, attached to a powerful battery." He tapped the tube itself. "A strong magnet is keeping it from reforming."

"It foiled the self-repair system?"

Cator nodded. "Yes, but it’s designed as a form of torture rather than being useful on a military level."

Scipio pressed further. "So it can’t phase out because it’s not sustained critical damage and it can’t self-repair on account of the opposing magnetic poles keeping its components apart?"
Magnetic fields (or EM) can interfere with regeneration by physically keeping the components from reassembling. Also points to at least some of the components of a necron being ferrous.

Page 127
He cast the ruined weapon aside as his fist closed on a useless trigger and took his sword in a two-handed grip, feeding more power to its monomolecular edge.
Another power sword with a mono-edge.
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Second half of Fall of Damnos

Page 141
According to Tactica briefings, Commander Sonne had over fifty thousand Ark Guard at his disposal; a large part of the planet’s remaining population.
50K Ark guard, although its strongly hinted the bulk of these are hastily conscripted troops. The formal PDF probably numbers somewhere between 50-100K troops, and 50K is supposed to be a significant percentage of the planet's population - hinting perhaps at a total pop in the high hundreds of thousands/low millions. Not an especially large planet, by Imperial terms.


Page 142
Troopers were filing in from the western gate, more Ark Guard. There were twenty thousand men with heavy cannon and servitors. The majority looked like the conscripts arrayed before Iulus in the reclaimed ‘wasteland’ in front of the first defensive wall.
20K men, at least half of which are conscripts. Also they seem to be using servitors of some kind. Whehter for combat (which is implied) or support we dont know.

Page 150
Largo sent tightly controlled bolter bursts into their ranks in an attempt to slow them but ammo was low and any damage caused wasn’t severe enough to take out the necrons permanently.
...
Metal flowed like oil, running on the surface of the tundra. Wires and cables reattached themselves, weaving viperously across the ground, re-establishing function to vital systems. The spinal column severed by Scipio’s blow caterpillared towards the half-wrecked torso, dragging abdomen and legs with it. Metallic fusion occurred quickly and vigorously – only the necron’s cape of skin showed any lasting damage.
Apparently it takes a large nubmer of bolt rounds to incapacitate Necrons. And again we see the self repair in action. I am fascinated by the way the component parts move.

Pag 151
A smoke contrail foomed across the Ultramarines’ eye-line, making them turn. It lit up the closest flayed one in an incendiary burst, tearing the creature into fragments. A pair of grenades followed in its wake. They emitted a low hum before attaching magnetically to a second necron.
Missile launcher and two krak grenades (my guess from the magnetic attachment) take down Necrons. Of course being anti tank weapons that's no surprise, though we dont know what kind of missiles are being used.

Also note that Necron skins must be at least partly ferrous, as magnetics can adhere to them.

Page 151
Three lasbeams pinned one, shredding leg joints and the chamber on its gauss-flayer...
Assuming a Necron Warrior's leg joints are fucked up.. we're talking a single lasbeam from a carbine doing this. Assuming a 5-10 cm "leg" and the joints, we're probably talking double or triple digit kj (assuming iron composition and mechanical damage.) Of course we dont know depth of penetration or degree of damage - the limb might not be severed, so it probably goes more towards double digit kj. And broadly comparable, I suspect, to bolter damage here :P

Page 152
They were well-armed. Scipio saw a tube launcher, heavy-gauge lascarbines, grenade lanyards and several improvised explosives amongst their battlegear.
'heavy gauge' lascarbine. Not quite sure what it means, but I suspect it measures the 'calibre' or size/diameter of the barrel. Basically it emits a very thick lasbeam :P

Page 153
She was attired like the others but Scipio noticed a ribbed bodyglove beneath her scarves and cloaks. It reminded him of some kind of environment suit, albeit non-functional.
Enviroment suit/bodyglove.

Page 157-158
The guerrillas must have had engineers and technicians amongst their group, for they’d erected bafflers to thwart the mechanoids’ sensors.
...
..the individual responsible for the sensor jamming array.
...
"Our comm-feed is down, should we…?" he indicated the bafflers; slim, flanged antennae jabbed into the ground like a spear. Looking at them, Scipio realised the entire encampment, even its rough tents and boxy generators, was portable.
Portable sensor jammers. They also seem to block comms, and they at least sEEM to work on Necron sensors. Some sort of force field I suspect rather than actual 'jammers' unless its some sort of cancellation effect (like stummers do for noise.)

Page 164
Even the many layers of storm cloak, his padded jacket and bodyglove, couldn’t keep the cold out – it was insidious.
Bodygloves, at least of the insulating variety, seem dang common here.

Page 165
Through the greenish resolution of the scopes, he thought he saw something… burrowing.
Green? Night vision/low light goggles?

Page 167
Through them, he was interfaced with the hundreds of thousands still slumbering, still self-repairing and gradually coming online, that made up the necron war cells.
"hundreds of thousands" of Necrons on planet, at least.

Page 180
The lines of Ark Guard were not thick but they were steady and every man, woman and child capable of doing so carried a lascarbine, autogun or
shotgun. The Damnosian armouries were bare.
Implies a lascarbine is comparable performance-wise to a shotgun or autogun in this case, or at least potentially so.

Page 181
"Are you immortal then?"
"‘No, I don’t think so. Long-lived certainly, thanks to the genescience of the Emperor, but not immortal."
...
"‘Ours is a violent calling. Death is an inevitable fact of our existence. I’m not sure if an Adeptus Astartes’s mortality has ever been put to the test. I cannot think of one that has ever died of old age."
Iulus suggests Ultramarines (At least) are not ageless, although the context is naturally unclear since no Marine has (yet) died of old age, and almost all die of war at some point. It is an interesting contrast to the hints droppeda bout this issue in the horus Heresy series, anyhow.

Page 187
He would revive the destroyers soon.

Tens of thousands of caskets lined the catacombs. The tomb went deep into the world’s heart and many levels were surrendered to the revivification chambers. Of all the constructs, the destroyers numbered the greatest.
Implies perhaps tens of thousands of Necron Destroyers.

Page 196
Largo unclasped his bolter’s targeter and gave it to the sergeant. Scipio lined the crosshairs over a plateau above. The night-vision scope picked out the shoulders and spines of massive rocks in the darkness. He tweaked a dial on the sight to heat-tracking. A muffled red shape resolved as the image went from hazy green to grainy blue.
...
Scipio suspected the dead Ultramarine’s generator was providing most of the heat trace.
Bolter targeter with infrared/night vision capability

Also ultramarine power generators show up on thermal imaging. Not exactly good for stealth purposes.


Page 210
The vision was beyond his grasp. It lay behind the emerald sun and the Herald was preventing him from seeing it. With that obstacle alone, Tigurius might have triumphed but combined with the darkness shroud, it was near impossible. He did witness something, however. The snuffed-out light – it was a glimpse of the future. Prescience was guiding him to something, some event yet to transpire. It must be close; otherwise he would not have seen it.
Crypteks (The Herald, IIRC) can block warp precog somehow, although only to a point, as Tigurius can still sense something of the immediate future (immediate futures seem both easier and more reliable, for obvious reasons.)

Page 211
The Devastator squads occupied one end of the line. Heavy bolters and plasma cannons were low-slung on their cumbersome rigs. Too weighty for a human to bear alone, the Space Marines hefted them with relative ease. The missile launchers and lascannons, being shoulder-mounted, were pointed down and steadied by the gunner’s other hand.
Devastator weapons. HBs and plasma cannons too heavy for humans but MArines can haul them aorund. Lascannon and missile launchers are shoulder fired.

Page 226
He planted four melta bombs in total, all of his and Daceus’s supply.

A pulse rippled down the side of the monolith as they went off, expelling intense microwaves that the machine seemed to absorb and nullify. Ordinary metal would slough and corrode against a melta bomb, but the material comprising the monolith was much more resistant.

Despite its alien resilience, the combined explosive fury of Sicarius’s melta bombs would not be denied and the captain shouted his approval as something in the machine died and it floated slowly to the ground.
4 melta bombs can cripple these Monoliths, although not destorying them. Also the meltabombs use microwaves, and Necron living metal is vastly more durabile than ordinarly Imperial metals.

Page 246
The heavy shells burst hot and hard against his chest as the prey tried in vain to stop him, but the Enfleshed was not to be denied.
...
The light surrounding him was painful to the Enfleshed’s dead eyes. The aura seemed to expand, washing over the others in a wave of azure. It was fringed by crackling bolts of power, coursing over a growing energy dome like vipers. It struck the Enfleshed mid-flight and threw him back.

A scream tore from the Enfleshed’s throat and was echoed by his slaves who felt it sympathetically. Pain snapped at his nerves, some real, some imagined – though he couldn’t tell one from the other. Blood, dried hard by the frost, cooked off his joints and servos in a ruddy haze.
...
His chest was torn apart, his living metal body sloughing into slag. Sahtah, the Enfleshed – his head was so scrambled, he couldn’t tell who or what he was any more – felt his memory engrams exploding one by one. Though he grasped at it with his melted talons, he could not seize his fading identity.
...
Tigurius regarded the steaming remains of the necron lord with contempt as it phased out. His storm had vanquished the other flayed ones too and the mountainside was disturbingly empty barring where his psychic lightning had scorched it.
Flayer lord highly resistant to bolter rounds, but Tigurius' psychic powers can demolish him and his entourage.

Page 253-254
The Hel-handed was a massive artillery piece. It was so big that it had to be built into the very foundations of the city wall and had immense recoil dampeners and impact compensators wrought into its leg stanchions. The column-like barrel was telescopic and segmented in four places. It required a crew of six men to fire it. A team of three was needed to rotate the barrel.
...
Such engines were described as ‘Ordinatus’ by the Adeptus Mechanicus. This one had been fashioned and anointed by Karnak, but the tech-priest was no longer able to perform the rites of the Machine – he had died in the early weeks of the invasion. The fact that Hel-handed had kept firing without pause or complaint was a testament to the fortitude of its machine-spirit.


Not sure what an Ordinatus platform is doing stationary on a planetary fortress on a minor world, but *shrugs* The crew includes servitors, at least for repair.

Page 254
Because of its size and importance, the Hel-handed was protected by a void shield. Such measures were usually only afforded for Titan god-machines but certain static installations like defence lasers and macro cannons also possessed them. With its sheer mass and destructive potential, the Hel-handed easily fell into that distinction. The void shield was the only reason it had not been rendered to scrap by the necron guns months ago.
Another oddity. Why a Titan-grade void on the ordinatus platform but not defending the fortress as a whole, which it could do?

Also apparently the weapon is of defence laser/macro cannon scale, although what scale of such cannon is not specified (again at least titan scale perhaps) and such platforms always have their own dedicated voids, it seems.

Page 255
The arc of pylons and heavy gauss-cannons blighted the rugged horizon line.
...
He couldn’t tell why the necron artillery had stopped firing but he did see something moving to the west. It was on the fringes of his vision through the scope.
Adanar turned to Letzger.
Necron 'artillery' - albeit implied of a fixed variety and not anti-starship grade. Also implied to have 'to the horizon' direct fire range.

Page 265
There was a pause as Aristaeus consulted his autosenses and cycled through his retinal spectra.
...
"Is your retinal display malfunctioning? Tell me what you see through infra-red and night vision."
Multi-spectra retinas, as well as the fact NV and infrared seems distinct.

Page 266
..running the battlements in long, metre-eating strides.
Implies a metre-long stride length for Space MArines. Not as big as in some of the Gav thorpe novels, but still not bad.

Page 267
It moved slower than the others but its carapace was thick and absorbed the impact of the explosive bolt shells without pause.
Tomb Spyder I think.

Page 267
The beam cut into the Ultramarine’s battle-plate and he cried out. Armour shed like snake skin as the flaying effect of necron technology went to work and Iulus’s leg greave was reduced to half-corroded mesh.
Gauss weapons seem to alternate between being armour piercing/cutting beams and flame thrower/acid like 'eating' flaying effects.

Page 268
It took the combined efforts of four men to lift the Ultramarine even a small amount. They were all rig-hands, all strong men used to back-breaking labour in the Imperial mines beneath the Damnos ice, but none had ever worked so hard to lift something such a short distance.

It was enough for Iulus to swing his free arm around and grip the battlements with both hands.
An indicator of how heavy Space Marines are.. even allowing for gravity, maybe a few hundred kilos easy.

Page 269
Gauss-fire cracked from the spyders, stripping men to bone and ash.
...
From across the courtyard, rocket tubes and heavy stubbers hammered into the spyders. They were tough and took a lot of killing, but they were falling
Heavy weapons needed to kill the Spyders. also spyder gauss beams implied to be thermal, given the 'ash' bit., biut it may only be a side effect not brute force. Without knowing the extent of the effect anyhow, we can't really calc it.

Page 276
Three of the necron pyramids advanced towards Kellenport. Somehow, impossibly, he had missed. The crater was so large, its effect so awesomely powerful, he didn’t know how. But Hel-handed had been fouled somehow
...
He saw tendrils of darkness, coiling and twisting between the triumvirate of war machines. They appeared in synch, feeding off one another, boosting the terrible shroud that had somehow saved them.

For an experienced crew, it took six minutes to load, prime and fire an Ordinatus like the Hel-handed. Letzger prided himself that his men were the best. As he bellowed the orders to reload, he knew the old girl would be spitting fury in less than five.
Necron monoliths in a Doomsday Phalanx I believe, managing to deflect or divert Ordinatus-scale destructive power. Also the gun has a ROF of 5-6 minutes. Not exactly a super-huge gun.

Page 279
As a member of one of the necrontyr’s royal houses, he enjoyed certain privileges. No servitude as an automaton for him. Though the Undying had lost part of his identity, he knew that much. Plebeians and nobles were separated by a gulf. Since the necrons had embraced metal over flesh, that divide had increased exponentially. Not only was freedom denied to the lower classes, so too now was true sentience.
Differences between higher and lower echelon Necron forms.

page 281
Rows of pylons, once held in stasis and now dredged from the very earth, stood alongside static gauss siege-cannons. The latter were long, multi-barrelled monstrosities. Their flanks were wrought from the living metal of the necrontyr and pulsed fluidly in the halflight.

The former were sickle-shaped turrets that spat death from their gauss-annihilators. A wash of emerald light bathed the ordnance with every discharge of their power. Lances of energy scored the sky, cutting into it with harsh green jags of light. Where the pylons fed continuous beams into the heavens, the siege cannons throbbed with the drumming staccato of their salvos.
Necron artillery again.

Page 298
Scipio crouched by the ragged corpse of a man. He was wearing robes and his flesh and bones had been utterly sundered. Bolt impacts marked his body. His exploded limbs and innards, the shattered bones and scorched skin were testament to the effectiveness of the Ultramarines’ weapons.
Effect of bolt weapons. both mechanical and thermal damage.

Page 304
The plaguebearer’s visage exploded in a bloom of viscera and bone-chips as the mass reactive shell detonated, leaving it without a head.
Bolt pistol round smashed (possessed) Marine head apart.

Page 316
So far, his efforts to bring down one of the necron pyramids had been in vain. There was some kind of ethereal veil protecting them all. Shots that weren’t lost to the black void coiling around the machineries were otherwise absorbed by the living metal from which the monoliths were constructed.
More of the Doomsday Phalanx. It generates a weapon that punches through the Ordinatus' void shield and destroys it in a single shot.

Page 318
The first of the men inside Kellenport died without realising what killed them. Their faces were still etched in terror as they turned to ash.
...
A sergeant was even shouting for order before a gauss-blast reduced his head to a greasy memory. He toppled, his neck wound cauterised, before someone else took his place.
Again gauss weapons implied to have thermal effects, although as I noted these may not be anything other than side effects of the technobabbledamage mechanism, rather an indication of new brute force gauss weapons. Or perhaps there are just different classes of gauss like there are of plasma or melta weapons.

Page 319
He was running past a vox-officer when a gauss-beam jagged out and took the poor swine in the gut. His innards were dissolved to atoms and he slumped with a gurgle.
Yet another gauss weapon.

Page 321
The Courtyard of Xiphos had lit up like some infernal flare. Snow and ice melted instantly before evaporating into steam as the beam struck the wall and fire washed over those below.

Some of the men closer to the impact point were flattened. Their uniforms caught alight and there was screaming.

...
The beam that slew the god-weapon on the wall hadn’t come from the Thanatos Hills. That barrage, as potent as it was and still persisting even now, was unable to knock out the void shields. The range was too far. No, the killing blow that ruptured the massive cannon’s aegis came from the monoliths. The pyramids had fired as a collective, unleashing a beam of such potency that it had overloaded a void shield.
Doomsday phalanx barrage again.

Page 332
Multiple futures played out across his synapses, each one a subtle variation of the last. The attack of the artillery would cripple the necrontyr and cause a chain reaction throughout the royal court.
Cryptek precog. He also seem to be influencing/blocking Tigurius' powers in this regard as well.

Page 333
The raider sentries patrolled the perimeter with predictable regularity. Like automatons, they marched back and forth, gaussflayers at rest, their fell eyes aglow.
...
Essentially they were dead things, barely sentient and moving only through the borrowed will and animus of other more powerful beings.
Necron Warriors.,.. again note the way they operate - without a higher controlling element they're more simple automatons

Page 333-334
its head jerked violently to the side. It raised a hand, releasing its grip on the barrel of the gauss-flayer, to touch the brass shell lodged in its cranium. Emitting a low-pitched whine the shell exploded, taking the necron’s head and most of its torso with it.

Realising it was under attack the other raider switched to defensive protocols and was about to unleash its gauss-flayer in a spread firing pattern before a second shell punched through its eye socket to similar effect.
Bolter fire that manages to blow apart head and upper torso of a Necron. Either the Astartes are getting more accurate at targeting weak points (which is implied later on) or the sucessive regenerations of necron warriors are weaker (possibly due to lack of repair material, priority, ro whatnot.)

Page 334-335
Thermal-imaging through the scopes revealed a roughly diamond-shaped area, with the artillery pieces arranged around it, one at each point and another weapon in the centre.
...
He regarded her through the uncompromising slits of his retinal lenses. She was watching the route ahead through a pair of infragoggles, and seemed tense – her heart rate and breathing were elevated.
Power armour senses can read human bio-signs, as well as general scope thermal imaging. The miner raiders have infrared goggles, which I am guessing are military or miner issue.

Page 336
Tigurius hunted through the mist. He stayed clear of the places where the necron forces were most concentrated, guided psychically. They were little more than unmoving shadows, statues in the ice-fog. Emerald fire in their eyes was the only evidence of unnatural animation in the necrons and even that was dampened by the mist. Not that he truly needed to see. The Librarian’s witchsight might be temporarily blinded, the strands of fate shut to him, but he could still feel…
...
Emotions were easy things for a psyker to detect, even a nascent one. Hatred bled off this monster, as hot and acerbic as acid. Tigurius followed it, a jagged trail of red in his mind.
Tigurius' psychic senses guiding him... it seems its part precog, part telepathy/empathy of some kind. And oddly it seems he can detect the emotions of the Voidbringer.

Page 337
A strange, preternatural darkness lapped at the edges of the artillery zone. Tigurius had described it as the ‘Night Shroud’, some piece of necron technology and part of the reason for his psychic blindness.
Night Shroud. Doesn't just block regular sensors, but psychic ones.

Page 337
Carrying improvised bombs and grenades, as well as some of the magnetic foiling devices they’d used to prevent necron phase-out, they were
capable of delivering a significant punch of their own.


the magnetic fields interrupting Necron regeneration/phase out were improvised by the miners. HAH

Page 337-338
He stopped a second to interrogate his retinal display. A series of runic indicators were making their way across his plane of vision.

Distance notifiers expressed formation and proximity to the targets. All were making solid progress but a further engagement was nearing.
Retinal map display showing positioning of troops and targets.

Page 338
Each of the artillery pieces, pylon or heavy gauss-cannon, were manned by a small group of raider constructs. Scipio doubted the machineries needed crew to function. He didn’t understand necron technology but he had discerned enough to realise that much of it was autonomous or controlled by the lords. Whatever their role, the raiders would need to be dispatched first before incendiaries could be deployed. The attack also had to be simultaneous. Wits dulled as they appeared to be, the necrons would still activate with defensive protocols as soon as they realised their perimeter was breached and were under fire.
Necron operational 'procedures' and how it differs in control patterns, much as described in Apocalypse.

Page 342-343
Voidbringer was strong, much more unyielding than the lesser constructs. And he possessed cunning beyond mere programmed response to attack and external stimulus. The necrons, especially these noble castes, were far from machines. Even artificial intelligence didn’t describe them accurately. They were something else, something vengeful and terrible. Spite, hatred, malice – the emotions were raw and tangible. Tigurius could feel them like tiny blades rubbing against his skin, like acid-edged pins in his mind.

Though the creature was not a psyker – it bore no warp-aura that the Librarian could detect – the artefacts he wielded were formidable.
Tigurius comments on the nature of the 'Crons. Both the 'lesser' forms vs the Lords, as well as the fact that he can detect their emotions despite them not being psykers. Of course, one does not have to be psyker to be tied to the Warp.

Page 349
He put the targeting scope back on the stock of his bolter and addressed his warriors.
...
"Meltas and plasma to the fore, tank-killers with me at the rear. Remember how we took the Soulmauler apart, a Renegade Titan, no less! Remind me why we earned the Principex Maxima that day and why our name shall pass in legend when we are dead."
Devastator squad managed to take down a Chaos Titan. Of course, so have Cadians :P

Page 359
Jynn cried out but Sia was gone, her torso vaporised by the flayer blast. She slumped, gurgling blood, and died.
Gauss flayer again. Vaporized literally means 'megajoules' easily but the question of 'howits done' is always a question with necron weapons nowadays. It could be magic disintegration or brute force or a combo, depending on source and writer.

Page 369
The necron’s heavy gauss-cannon sent out a pulse of emerald light that bored through the Ultramarine’s armour, transfixing him. Ikus shook as most of his internal organs were flayed to atoms and then crashed head-first down the steps
Gauss cannon vs Ultramarine.

Page 377-378
"‘If something weren’t fouling our auto-aiming systems."
...
Removing the targeter from Ulius’s lascannon, Atavian took a look. "Trajectory is off." He made some adjustments, looked again. "Still off."

...
"We cannot trust our auto-targeters. The necrons are machines of a type. Affinity with mechanisms is a component of their xenos construction. We are feeling their influence."

"The machine-spirits of our weapons are corrupted?" Tirian sounded incensed.

"No, but they’ve been compromised. The adjustments I made to Ulius’s targeter should have corrected the aim – they didn’t. Destroying those crystals will take accuracy but it must be done by instinct."
Devastator weapons, and possibly their bolters, use auto-targeting of some kind (or automatic assisted targeting) which the Necrons can fuck with. But they can't fuck with the eyeball - at least not in the same way.

Page 386
Two battle tanks behind him were burning wrecks. He’d seen them stitched by gauss-beams and then explode. No rifle weapon had any right to be so potent against armour like that.
Gauss weapons of unknown type (except that they're rifles) vs Battle tanks.

Page 387
A stuttering salvo of emerald beams stabbed into the tank’s hull before the crew could reply.
..
Crimson, though it looked more like black, painted the walls where the crew had been part-flayed by gauss-beams or shredded by internal shrapnel. In such close confines it was worse than a grenade going off.
...
Dragging the driver – or what was left of his half-cooked, cauterised body – out of his seat, Adanar scrambled into the self-same position and hit the accelerator pedal hard.
Gauss fire . again penetrates tank, has thermal effects (secondary), but also seems to involve some bleeding. Implied to be worse than a grenade for inernal damage/proximity effects.

Funny enough he rams and destroys the monolith with the damanged Russ :P

Page 395
Surveying the immediate area, Scipio looked for further threats but the necrons had ceased their advance. In fact, in many instances, they had simply stopped. The effect of the Voidbringer’s destruction was potent and debilitating it seemed. His constructs appeared slower, sluggish even, as if having to recalculate or waiting for the hole in their chain of command to be repaired. Those necrons that had to defend themselves did; those beyond theimmediate reach of the battle remained still.

Scipio raised the comm-feed immediately. "Do not engage. I repeat, do not engage enemy unless necessary. The lesser necron constructs have suffered some kind of catastrophic failure and are reverting to defensive protocols."

Page 401
Sergeant Atavian punched the air in triumph as his lascannons tore an arachnid construct in half. Bursts from the other heavies scattered th e smaller beetle-like creatures, melting their bodies with intense microwaves or engulfing them in bright plasma.
Devastator weapons vs Necrons. again meltas are microwave weaponry.

Page 402-403
A punch dented the captain’s battle-helm and he staggered, before firming up his stance and rolling away a blow heading for his gorget.
...
The Undying was slow, ponderous even, but tough. Every blow was like being hit by a tank. Sicarius went in again, unleashing a hail of blows against the necron’s defences. The monster parried some, took others against its near-impervious body, before replying with a lightning-fast riposte that cut into Sicarius’s plastron.
...
The Undying whirled its glaive in a circular arc, spinning it end-over-end. With a viper’s speed, it snapped out, clipping Sicarius’s shoulder guard.

...
He fought the Undying back a step and felt the tide turning…

…until a flash of energy from the necron’s open palm overloaded his retinal lenses and sent Sicarius reeling. Light, hot and emeraldtinged, filled the captain’s world. He backed off, blinded, tearing at the seals connecting his battle-helm to the rest of his armour, and ripped the headgear loose.
...
Vision still adjusting, he tore the plasma pistol from its holster and snapped off a quick blast. It struck the Undying beneath the chin, forcing the necron’s head upwards and burning off part of its jaw. Staggering back from the kinetic impact, the overlord leavened the press of its glaive and Sicarius stood.
Sicarius vs Undying (Necron Lord - the highest ranking necron currently). Basically kicks Sicarius' ass but takes some damage in the process, especially from plasma weapons.

Page 406-407
Agrippen barged through the silver horde. Scattering the last of the necron immortals in his way, he descended on the honour guard.

One he crushed in his fist; the other he burned, pressing the flamer so close it scorched his armature and stripped away the paint.

The necron overlord glared up at the Dreadnought, a hellish fire ignited in its eyes. Sicarius had wounded it – the Undying’s face was caught in the flux of self-repair.

Agrippen cared not. He smashed his power fist down upon it brutally, crushing the gilded overlord into ruin.

The destruction of their lord sent a massive shockwave rippling throughout the necron ranks. As one they began to fall back. The Dreadnought was not to be denied, though, and tore apart the mechanoids as they fled.
A Dreadnought is another story. The Overlord and his bodyguard are utterly trashed by said Dreadnought, although it's possible Sicarius damaged or weakened the Undying first.

Page 407
They harried the necrons across the rubble and out into the wastes. In disarray, the automatons were easy prey.
Necrons in retreat.


Page 408
For over an hour the Ultramarines pursued the retreating necrons, all the way to the far border of Arcona City. Thousands were destroyed in the rout, the mechanoids unable to mount a defence or any kind of useful tactic that might have spared their losses. Without their overlord they were less than automatons, little more than directionless drones. Even the elites appeared locked onto a single course of action – full-scale retreat.

The as-of-yet unseen phasic generator teleported some of the constructs back to the sunken tomb all the way into the northern polar wastes. No Ultramarine had laid eyes on the device, and it was likely withdrawn upon their arrival.
Smurfs routing the Necrons

Page 409
So large and destructive, the blast was even visible from the city. The pylons and gauss-obliterators would not return. For one they were buried, for another the Ultramarines had used enough explosive to level the mountainside.
Implied level of destruction needed to take out the Necron artillery, although it also implies the level of man portable explosive firepower that Scipio's force and their miner guides could carry.
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i'm gonna put out Purging of kadillus, battle of the fang, and gildar rift all at once. (again rushing through space marine stuff because i want to do other things soon).

Purging of Kadillus by Gav thorpe is sort of a prequel to his old novel 'angels of darkness' and is a novelized version of the Spear of Vengeance campaign. It has the same characters setting, etc. (except for astelan) and lots and lots of orks. The orky bits are pretty fun, but the story itself was pretty bland since its basically all 'fight fight fight' and Dark Angels. it lacks alot of the pacing and urgency coupled with the 'old vs new' Imperium discussion of Aod, so it really didn't appeal to me as much.

Part 1

****


page 7-8
A handful of stocky figures stumbled from the fire, airsuits tattered, thick beards and bushy sideburns smoking. They carried high-velocity riveters...
...
Ghazghkull levered aside a twisted sheet of metal to reveal a demiurg hiding behind it. The warlord roared along with his multibarrelled gun as he blazed away, shredding the miner into bloody lumps.
Orcs Massacring demiurg. The new Space Dwarfs. I have to say that what is interesitng here is Ghazzie is meetingf NazDreg for the first time, and Spear of Vengeance mentions it as being a squat mining colony. Except here it's demiurg. So they seem to be one in the same, or something.
Page 14
Northport jutted out from the wall a few kilometres away; an orbital craft the size of a city block rose from the starship dock, smoke and plasma wreathing protective blast ramps, while atmospheric craft buzzed and growled to and fro, borne aloft by jets and rotors.
Block sized, atmopshere capable starship. At least hundreds of meters long( wide?)

Page 19
It was even darker here; with a vocal command Boreas switched his autosenses to thermal.
Dark Angels helmet has thermal mode.

Page 19
The Chaplain levelled his pistol. A targeting reticule sprang into view as his finger touched the trigger. His first shot took the top off an ork’s head, blood spraying against the wall in a red chromatic display. Two bolts took his next target in the chest, exploding the ribcage and breastbone, ripping apart organs.
Gunsight, and bolt pistol damage vs Orks.

Page 19
...Boreas spared a millisecond glance to his right
Implies Millisecond reaction time.

Page 20
The rosarius hanging on a thick chain around Boreas’s neck blazed with power as shrapnel engulfed the Chaplain; the rosarius’s energy field converted the mass of the
shards into flares of bright light.
Rosarius converts matter to.. energy? Plasma? Some sort of bright flash anhyohw.

Page 21
Bursting through the barricade, the Space Marines fell upon the orks with chainblade bayonets and monomolecular-edged combat knives.
Chainsaw bayonets and mono edged knives.

PAge 26
Surrounded by flames, the Space Marines burst into the room,
firing their bolters into the twitching, charring bodies of the orks. Boreas could feel the heat of the flames, but a glance at his power armour’s integrity display showed that the guttering blaze was well within tolerable limits. As the promethium burnt out, the Chaplain found himself standing inside a blackened shell, a few licks of fire flickering here and there. The bones of the orks lay in contorted heaps, stuck with chunks of burnt flesh, steam hissing from boiling marrow and blood, while pools of fat sizzled beneath them.
Space Marine flamer cremates a room full of Orks. Space Marines can comfortably endure fighting in said room. (then again the 4 grenades may have contriubted to the death as well somehow)

Page 29
Dannael took up the fusillade, firing steadily into the press of green bodies rushing him, each shot blowing a fist-sized hole in flesh and bone.
Bolters make fist-sized hoels in Orks, even the bone.

PAge 35
With a sub-vocal command, Boreas increased the magnification of his autosenses, zooming in on the spire of the basilica. He linked his view through the short-range command channel so that it displayed in Peliel’s helm.
relaying of visual images through comms.

Page 39
Thermal vision could not detect any ork presence in the main chamber, and a sweep with his suit’s terrorsight confirmed to Boreas that the orks seemed content to
hold the upper rooms.
Thermal again, plus the terrorsight as mentioned from Angels of Darkness.

Page 43
The sergeant prowled the dark room with his power sword in hand, decapitating every corpse that still had a head. It was standard doctrine when facing orks, who had a distinct
ability to recover from seemingly fatal wounds, sometimes rising up
from mounds of their fallen to strike when unexpected.
Decapitation the sure mean of stopping orks. Although by some examples they can even survive this, at least briefly.

PAge 47
He reached to the belt pouch below his backpack and brought out a slab of two-part resin that was used to make rapid battle repairs to armour. He kneaded the putty into a blob and delicately fixed the broken wing back in place, discarding the surplus resin over the parapet. It was a poor fix, but it would do.
Dark Angel version of the repair cement Space wolves use.

Page 53
A burst of plasma fire from Squad Exacta at the far end of the hall
cut through the orks, vaporising their bodies with white-hot balls of
energy.
Plasma fire of unknoqn type and quantity 'vaporizes' large group of Orks, although whether exploding (A few MJ, going by grenade like effects vs Ork mass) or total vaporizing is up for debate (latter hundreds or thousands of MJ per Ork)

PAge 67
"Orks are rank when living, but this is decomposition. Experience says that ork wounds do not get infected. There is something in the blood which stops gangrene and other blood poisons. It is one of the things that makes them such dangerous foes."
...
"There’s a strange substance in the wounds," said Keliphon. He pulled out his knife and scraped it over a gash in the ork’s chest. Strands of white fibrous mould clung to the blade.

"Spores," said Naaman. "You’ll find them on all orkish dead. Ork bodies have to be burnt to ensure the spores do not spread. When this present threat is dealt with, the Free Militia will have to cleanse the whole area where the orks have been. I expect the docks in the
city will have to be torched and rebuilt."
Orkish Biology 101. They're infection resistant and spores have a visible effect on the body when an Ork dies.

Wounds in this case seem to be the primary point at which spores grow and are released. If so this might help explain the cauterizing effect of lasguns, as those might 'close' wounds or burn the ability of the spores to form or release - at least temporarily. Burning the body would still need to be done.

(Of course why do Marines do anything with bolters? They rarely cauterize.)

Oh yes, and they don't know what the spores do. :P

Page 73
Hundreds of square kilometres of wilderness stretched out in that direction; enough space to hide an army, certainly enough to hide a starship large enough to carry an army.
Hundreds of square km to hide an army (or a ship) in.

Page 79
Aquila was nodding occasionally and Naaman could see that his bike display was set to the digimap of the Koth Ridge region.
Dark angels bikes have visual displays with mapping functions.

Page 81
Bringing his monocular up to his eye, he swept to the left and right, seeking any sign of the ork ship. He found no landing site, but he did detect a haze of smoke a few kilometres to the south. He adjusted the monocular’s display and took a range reading: twopoint-
five kilometres.
Seems to be scout version of a binoc.

Page 83
"From orbit, starship-based augurs can detect large population centres; the movement of sizeable bodies of troops; energy networks; vehicle columns; and static defences. On the ground, scanning devices can detect thermal, radioactive, laser, microwave and other energy-based signatures. They can detect sound and vibration, even changes in aquatic temperature and air currents. A number of such devices used in concert may triangulate their findings to determine the enemy position. Even the humble tripwire is a detector that can be employed in this information-gathering."
Imperial sensor/detection capabilities.

Page 84
With the thermal scopes of their rifles, Kudin and Keliphon
kept watch as night descended
Scout sniper rifles have thermal scopes.

Page 89
"We will be moving at pace without lights, so equip nightsight goggles.."
Scouts have NV goggles too.

Page 98
The bolter coughed in his hand, the gas-propelled bolts zipping soundlessly through the air. Their standard warheads replaced with a heavy mercury core, the stalker bolts punched silently through the padded armour and flesh of the orks.
Silenced bolter shells. I suspect the mercuery not only adds density, but fragments on impact or something weird. Also orks wearing paddeD (flak?) armour.

Page 104
The Scouts were not so physically blessed, each feeling the strain depending upon his implants and development. Kudin ran as effortlessly as Naaman; Ras and Keliphon were breathing heavily but were keeping pace; Teldis and Gethan showed the worst signs
of their exertions.
Indication that capaiblity of 'scouts' can vary according ot their seniority/development. The closer they are to becoming full marines the more effective they are. This could explain why in some novels Scouts are weak (EG Crimson tears) vs Marines, whilst in others (Sons of Dorn) they aren't much weaker than full Astartes.

Page 105
Naaman could see nothing with his naked eye, even though the sight of a Space Marine was as good in low light as a normal man’s at noon.
Astartes night vision.

Page 108
Bolts screeched into the orks’ exposed backs, blowing out chunks of flesh, shattering spines and ripping off limbs.
Bolt fire on Orks. Again.

Page 109
...Naaman, firing another burst of shots, this time aiming for the gunner. The ork fell away from its weapon, head split apart by a detonation within.
More bolter fire.

Page 111
He reached down to his belt and pulled free a perfect sphere of dull metal. There was a rune etched into it. The activation sigil glowed red as he rubbed his thumb across it.
...
There was no explosion. Instead of fire and shrapnel, the stasis grenade erupted with a shimmering globe of energy, engulfing the battlewagon and everything within ten metres of it. Inside that hazy bubble, time slowed almost to a stop. Naaman could see the gunner
with a hand on the breech lever of the cannon. He saw the scowling face of the driver, flecks of saliva flying from between its fangs. Bullets fired by the two pintle gunners on the gantry hung in the air, moving so slowly they had appeared to have stopped.
...
The stasis field was already weakening, the sphere of energy slowly but perceptibly shrinking.
Stasis grenade. Must not be ultra-rare lostech if they can afford to give them to scout sergeants to use like this... although that doesnt make them common. also stasis effects taper off gradually, rather than just being simple 'on/off' effects - at least in this case.

Page 120
The Terminators from the Deathwing Company wore huge suits of bone-white multilayered armour, capable of shrugging off fire from anti-tank weapons and heavy
artillery.
Termie armour durability.

Also the Dark Angels on this planet have a Chaplain. Named Sarpedon. ARRRGGH!

Page 122
Two of the Ravenwing squadron had not yet had their progenoid glands removed for the
Chapter stores.
Implies (possibly) at the removal of gene-seed whilst the Astartes is still alive. Why not every Chapter does this, is not stated.

Page 125
The lascannons of the Free Militia opened fire first, streaks of blue energy lancing down the ridge at the oncoming vehicles. The firing was premature and somewhat inaccurate but several half-tracked bikes were turned into smouldering piles of slag by the blasts.
Lascannon reduce either Ork Bikes or Wartrakks to 'slag' (EG molten) A bike would be several hundred kilos at least, although some sources (like Battle for Armageddon) hint at over a ton. Wartrakks are like several tons. So assuming iron we could be talking hundreds of MJ per vehicle, or several GJ. Thing is, we don't know for sure how many lascannon (or blasts) are firing.. it implies most miss and its unlikely they'd have more than a few dozen in this case (heavy weapons that is) so it probably is more of an order of magnitude estimate if anything. Still that's alot of firepower.

Bear in mind that the calc is for a Continuous wave 'heat ray' type laser, and thus is it smore energetic and less efficient compared to a more explosive 'blaster' type lascannon. Do not confuse the two.

Page 126
With an explosive wave of compressing air, Saboath fired. A miniature star erupted from the plasma cannon, casting harsh shadows as it flew down the slope to crash into the foremost buggy. The vehicle’s engine block disintegrated in a shower of molten metal and super-heated fuel, the vapour of which ignited, engulfing the
vehicle in a sheet of blue fire, incinerating the driver and gunner,
melting the tyres and warping the chassis.
...
Another ball of ravening energy seared down the slope from the other combat squad, punching clean through the side of another buggy to erupt from the other side in a spray of molten steel and
liquefied flesh.
Astartes plasma cannon.

PAge 123
Another ball of ravening energy seared down the slope from the other combat squad, punching clean through the side of another buggy to erupt from the other side in a spray of molten steel and liquefied flesh.
Plasma cannon once again.

Page 123
“Mark target at fifty-three-five, seven hundred metres,’”
Potential implied range here.. at least for the heavy weapons, including mortars. although on other fronts they do mention small arms fire so it may apply to this (bolters and lasgun)

Page 128
the Devastators had no problems seeing their targets, the thermal vision of their autosenses cutting through the thickening bank of smoke as easily as their plasma
cannons cut through the armour of the ork vehicles.
Devastator autosenses can detect thermal images thorugh smoke

Page 129
The rocket landed behind the front line of defenders, crashing to
the rocks in the middle of a mortar battery. The impact threw up a
huge plume of mud and rock shards but there was no explosion.
...
A pulse of green energy erupted from the crater where the rocket had landed, rippling through the air and ground.

Where the green wave touched something, it tossed the man or object into the air, shaking apart guns and hurling troopers tens of metres into the sky, bones snapping, limbs contorting unnaturally. Nestor could feel the weak edges of the vibration through his feet and the particles of dirt on the crate barricade danced with the reverberations. The pulse disappeared and the unfortunate troops that had been picked up dropped to the ground like stones, their falls breaking necks, cracking open skulls and crushing organs.
...
Nestor could see a dozen soldiers not moving, twice that number rolling around or trying to crawl to safety. Secondary detonations from the cache of bombs popped inside the mortar pit, scattering metal fragments through the survivors.
Pulsa rokkit probably.

Page 132
None of the painkillers in the narthecium could be used; they would put any non-Astartes into a coma if they didn’t kill Lemmit outright.
Astartes painkillers

PAge 132-133
The Apothecary fixed the bone first, pulling apart the fracture and
resetting it while Lemmit howled in agony.
...
Selecting the medical riveter, he worked the narthecium along the broken bone, fixing the
two pieces in place. It only took a few seconds, but when Nestor glanced at Lemmit he saw the man had passed out. As with the painkillers, the stimulants in Nestor’s possession were too strong for a normal human.
...
Using a quick-sealing resin, the Apothecary bonded the riveted pieces of thigh bone. Switching attachments, he sprayed a fine mist of biological adhesive on the wound and pulled together the sides of the incision he had made, holding them together for a few more seconds until the adhesive had dried. Retracting the adhesive dispenser, he made double-sure by stitching along the wound with the auto-suture.
Apothecary in action on normal person. Interesting how it goes about it.

PAge 133
He saw a cluster of men gathered around another
lying on the ground, one of them thumping the trooper’s chest to get
his heart started.
PDF troops know some basic first aid, it seems.

Page 135
”Those without eye protection should avert their gaze from the east.
Incoming bombardment from orbit. I repeat, incoming orbital
bombardment includes plasma attack. Do not look at the attack site
with unprotected eyes.”
Plasma bombardment will burn/blind eyes.

Page 136
...the Dark Angels battlebarge manoeuvring into firing position hundreds of kilometres
above. The Unrelenting Fury would be dipping down towards Piscina’s atmosphere, rotating about its axis to bring the dorsal bombardment cannons to the correct angle. Shells the size of buildings were being loaded into massive breeches – much of the
size and weight was ablative shielding that would melt away during entry into the planet’s atmosphere – while armoured turrets like small city blocks turned slowly into position.
range of bombardment and the size and composition of atmospheric bombardment shells.. ablative shielding makes sense, although anti-ship rounds would logically be different :P


PAge 136-137
The first salvo appeared as two blurs barely visible through Nestor’s darkened autosenses. They streaked groundwards, punching out of the cloud at ultrasonic speed. The warheads had been set to airburst, exploding five hundred metres above the orks,
two kilometres from the defenders of Koth Ridge. Two stars burst into life against the darkened vista. Even through the filter of his autosenses the blossoms of plasma were bright enough to make Nestor’s surgically improved eyes water. The explosions scorched the sky, raining down fire, a shockwave advancing ahead of a sheet of flame, obliterating everything in its path. Molten destruction rained down on the orks, consuming a swathe of the advancing greenskins in a bright conflagration.
...
...an ear-splitting crack of air and water molecules being ripped apart.

An area half a kilometre across was devastated in three seconds, shattered rocks turned to glass, orks reduced to a haze of ash and dust, patches of grass and stands of bushes no more. Two overlapping smooth-sided craters were all that remained of the hundreds of orks that had been beneath the twin detonations.
Bombardment shell effects. I’m guesisng at least high tons/low kilotons depending on exact paramters. It’s an airburst making a pretty wide crater, but airbursts would be pretty nasty for thermal effects out to a range, so that limits the destructivness. Craters are perhaps 200-400m across apiece, although without knowing depth its hard to calc accuratley (a kiloton or so, maybe) Cremating hundreds or thousands of orks shoudl take a great many hundreds (and more likely thousands) of gigajoules as well.


Page 137
Although safe from death from above, the orks now plunged into range of the
bolters and lasguns of the Koth Ridge defenders.

A storm of red las-beams streaked down the hillside while bolters and storm bolters coughed death at the oncoming wave of greenskins. As the most headstrong orks were cut down by the volleys of fire, two more shells plunged down from orbit, this time set for a ground burst. The whole of Koth Ridge jolted underfoot as the pair of shells exploded inside the rock of the slope. Thousands of tons of debris erupted into the air with all the violence of one of Kadillus’s many volcanoes. Bloodied and battered ork bodies fell
like rain. A long stretch of the slope sheared away and tumbled down into the East Barrens as a massive landslide of rocks and corpses.
undeground bombardment implid to be of comparable devastation to earthquake of some kind. I’m guessing they’re still pretty far away (half a km to a km or so) from the initial bombardment to spare the crew blast effects. Assuming a 1 kiloton groundburst the nukes would have to be at least 700 m away or so, although it couldn’t be mor than 2-3 kilotons in this setting without severe burn or blast effects.

PAge 138
”Close miss. The shields took the brunt of the residual radiation. Master Belial is withdrawing the Unrelenting Fury.”
Defence laser near-miss stgill has ‘residual radiation’ that can impact void shields.

Page 140
The Librarian cleaved a rent in the fabric of reality, opening up a gash between the material and immaterial. Colours and sounds swirled from the breach, scintillating and blinding. Following the Librarian, the Deathwing stepped into the vortex and disappeared.

A few seconds later, Nestor glimpsed a second tear appear beside the walls of the ruined compound. The Deathwing advanced out of the void,....
...

Acutus emerged from his warp-walk...
Warp gate powers employed again.

Page 141
Beside Nestor, a plasma cannon blazed again, the blast erupting
amongst the orks, charring flesh and burning bone.
Plasma cannon on Ork bodies.


Page 143
The Apothecary withdrew the bone saw and selected an adrenal booster from the
narthecium.
More Apothecary tools.

Page 144
“I am going to close off your secondary heart function,” Nestor
explained. “That will stop the internal bleeding. Damage is not critical, so I should be able to operate once I have some more time. Your blood pressure will drop. You’ll feel some loss of strength and perhaps a little light-headedness.”
...
..injecting the secondary heart with a localised sedative and applying micro-clamps to the blood vessels to redirect the bloodstream through the Space Marine’s regular heart. He pumped out the blood already in the chest cavity and sprayed fixative foam into the wound. The foam hardened into a spongy mass within seconds, sealing the gash and hardening around the severed ribs. It was not as good as a proper reconstruction but it was quick and provided a temporary seal for the armour.
More Md stuff.. this time on Space Marine.

Page 145
Rolling Saboath further onto his side, Nestor opened up a panel in the side of the
Space Marine’s backpack. He entered his diagnostic cipher to access the traction and compression controls of the suit’s fibre bundles.

...
He punched in the automated sequence required and activated the suit’s internal muscle system. With a crack and a further grunt from Saboath, the armour extended the Space Marine’s arm and pushed the ball joint back into place with a twist. Pleased, Nestor deactivated the system and locked down the panel.
Power armour fibre-muscles can be used to fix dislocation.

Page 152-153
Hasrien’s system was pumping Larraman cells through his bloodstream, which would harden into a protective layer on contact with the air. The downside of this rapid healing with major wounds was the possibility of air bubbles being trapped in the blood vessels,
leading to necrosis and cell death if the Space Marine did not receive proper treatment swiftly. Nestor applied a thinning agent to slow the process and then used the cauteriser to seal the broken vessel more completely. After injecting a cocktail of antiinflammatory
and cell-growth drugs, the Apothecary doused the open wound with a compound that would boost the scabbing effect of the Larraman cells coursing through the Space Marine’s system. Within seconds the whole area was encrusted by a quickly
hardening scar.
Medical implications and treatemnt with Larraman-related injuries. Larraman scabs also provide protection against infection.

Page 165
With more Free Militia forces arriving from across Kadillus and airlifted
from other parts of Piscina..
Airlifting in pdf troops.

Page 167
“Approaching sensor sweeps detected growing life-form presence in the area around the East Barrens plant. Large energy spike also detected. We approached on a circling course at two kilometres distance. Visually identified numerous enemy in and around the facility, estimate one hundred or more orks. No visual identification to corroborate with energy spike signature. Engaged by multiple-missile anti-aircraft vehicle of unknown design. Exotic gravimetric field warhead as well as explosives. Stabilisation systems lost, instruments erratic. Visual estimate of altitude is at four thousand metres and falling.”
Ork gravimetric field warhead, anti air capacity apparently. Range of at least 2 km out and 4 km up. Thunderhawk must have grav sensors to detect that

PAge 167
Naaman could imagine Hadrazael struggling at the controls trying to
wrestle the blocky aircraft with damaged mechanical systems and brute strength; the Thunderhawk’s borderline aerodynamics required complex automated systems and gravity-dampeners to stay airworthy and without them Hadrazael’s only option was to slow the inevitable descent as much as was possible and crash-land.
Thunderhawks (at least Dark Angel ones) have antigrav.

Page 179
The cylindrical container looked unimpressive. It was about the length of his forearm, made of plain metal save for a runepad on one end and a comm-socket in the other. Inside was a different matter. Once erected, the teleport homer would send a sub-warp signal to the Unrelenting Fury in orbit above the planet. On board,

Sergeant Adamanta waited with four of his fellow Deathwing Terminators. Within minutes of the beacon’s activation, they would be able to teleport to the surface and provide support.
Teleporter homer. Not sure what a ‘sub warp’ signal is, but it sounds like the ‘sub etheric’ stuff from Hunt for Voldorius, and doesnt sound like conventional EM either.

Page 180-181
“Three kilometres east.” said Damas as the pair crouched amongst a scrub of waxy-leaved grass. “Thermal signature. Vehicle, perhaps?”

Naaman looked for himself and saw the orange glow of a heat haze through the monocular. The signature looked too hot and localised to be engines.
The monocular thingies have their own heat vision modes.

Page 183
With barely a puff of decompressing gas, Naaman fired. The silenced bolt-round struck the closest gretchin in the back of the skull, blowing its head apart. The other stared wide-eyed at Naaman through the bubbling mess of blood and brains, bony hands still clasped around the throat of its companion’s corpse. Naaman’s second shot took the survivor in the eye and two headless bodies flopped to the ground.
Silenced rounds blow apart Gretchin heads.

Page 184
He pulled down his autosight goggles and thumbed through the spectral modes until he reached the far-infrared setting. The Barrens became a shifting landscape of dark blues and purples, broken by the bright yellow and white of flames. Here and there he saw the dark red blobs of the gretchin and the slightly brighter silhouettes of the orks heated by the fires.
Scout autosenses goggles have mutli-spectral capability

Page 184
He watched the Scouts approaching through his thermal vision. Naaman glimpsed only an occasional patch of face or exposed wrist, the cameleoline diffusing the heat signature of the Scouts’ bodies.
Cameleoline of the scout cloaks blocks IR/thermal signautres as well as providing visual camouflage.

Page 197
"The power plant has been adapted; I can see strange machinery and energy relays of ork design. The major alteration is the addition of a large disc, like a communications transmitter, although I can see energy waves crackling over its surface. There are sporadic bursts of energy that appear to be a result of the generator systems
suffering from an overload of capacity."
orks using beamed power.

Page 202
The teleporter was active for only a few seconds at a time and took several minutes to recharge between each opening, but Naaman had been timing the power surges and there was no definite pattern.
An indicator of the recharge time vs the actual time used for the teleporter. Given a geothermal power source and a guess we might be able to estimate teleporter power usage, at least in this case.

page 203
"‘Initial readings confirm that a relay is being used to project the energy as a microwave beam, brother-captain"
Again beamed power.
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page 203
"The teleporter is not directly connected to the power plant on the ground. Wherever it is coming from, the teleporter beam is being powered from the source rather than the destination. The orks’ occupation of the power plant suggests that the teleporter cannot
function on a sustainable basis on its own power; this is why Ghazghkull’s first attack was infantry alone. If you were to bombard the power station and destroy the source of energy, the teleporter will cease to function."

...
"The geothermal stations are located on the weakest fault lines of Kadillus, areas made more insecure by the boreholes from them driven into the island’s heart. Brother Hephaestus warns me that any bombardment risks rupturing the Kadillus magma chamber, which in turn could precipitate a chain-reaction eruption, destroying
the entire island."
...
...ashamed that he had not thought through the consequences of blasting a power station that was, in essence, an artificial volcano.
the implication is that the ork starship (whatever it is, hulk i think)'s power supply is inferior ot the geothermal power the planet provides. AT least for the purposes of handling the teleporter. of course if its a hulk its probably a space hulk and those things are about as standardized as a random number generator.

Also a clarification from Spear of vengeance about the 'dangers' of the geothermal power station (at least to the planet. dont know if it's consistent but it sounds less insane than a 'geothermal tap makes the planet a bomb' tpye stuff we get for some examples.

Of course this could be some oddity related to ork tech as well.

Page 206-207
The energy from the power plant was being beamed to some other point, building in intensity roughly a minute prior to the portal opening. Once the teleporter was activated, the power link spiked at a level five times the build-up and lasted for only a few seconds. It was clear that no matter how long the pre-teleportation process, the portal could not be opened for more than a few seconds. Why this might be the case was a mystery, but it did confirm Naaman’s suspicion that without the power relay of the geothermal plant the teleporter could not be opened for any significant length of time. It required all of the plant’s output to generate a single pulse of teleporter energy, and all that was required to disrupt the beam was the removal of one of the bastardised relays the orks had added to the power station.
more details of powering the teleporters.

Page 207
Naaman hooked the auspex into the long-range comm and punched in the rune sequence to uplink the information the scanner had collated. He waited impatiently until the auspex chimed three times to indicate the upload was completed. Switching connectors, Naaman attached his monocular to the comm-piece and spent
several minutes sweeping the plant area with the optical device,
transmitting the images to his commander.
Again using comms to transmit/receive data of varying kinds.

Page 218
As the creature tumbled, the Scoutsergeant fired two rounds into the back of its head, obliterating its skull.
Two bolt pistol rounds obliterating ork skull. I think they might still be silenced rounds.

Page 220
Naaman saw the ork within stare in amazement at the blinking red rune of the melta-bomb. A second later the grenade detonated, punching through the armour of the Dreadnought with a focussed fusion blast. The driver’s head was incinerated in an instant.
melta bomb detonation. Assuming it cremates the ork's head (likely) we could be talking something in the double digit mj (assuming a 20 kg ork head we might be talking 50 mj or so, for example.)

page 224-225
"Weapon systems set to machine-spirit control."
...
Automatic surveyors were sweeping the ground ahead of the diving Thunderhawk. Red reticules sprang up in the cockpit display, hovering over detected foes.
...
"Machine-spirits awakened. Targets set. Commencing attack run."
Automatic targeting and firing of thunderhawk guns (via machine spirit.)

Page 225
The gunship shuddered as the dorsal battle cannon opened fire, sending a shell directly into the roof of the relay building. The explosion sent bodies and rockcrete shards flying a hundred metres into the air.
Battle cannon fires. given the top speed of a Thunderhawk, i'd expect the battle cannon to be at least 1.5-2x faster (1000-1.5 km/s), and probably more. how this might relate to tank guns, i have no idea.

Page 225
The missiles jinked and swerved, their artificial brains tracking the orks as they fled in all directions seeking cover.
Hellstrike missiles - self guided.

Page 226
Boreas tracked their descent on the external pict-feeds, watching the ten Space Marines plunge to the ground, their jump packs slowing their descent. With impacts that would have shattered the bones of lesser warriors, Zaltys’s squad landed in the compound, ferrocrete cracking beneath their booted feet.
Idea of the durability of marines on a drop landing.

Page 227
"Switch battle cannon control to my station, brother"
...

The screens in front of the Chaplain changed, showing him the view from the Thunderhawk’s main weapon system. A smaller display to the right contained a thermal scan of the area, the hot bodies of the orks showing up bright white against the fuzzy grey of the ground; to the left another screen contained a wireframe topographical display of the compound and the contours of the surrounding grassland.
Control of weaponry can be switched to various stations for manual control as well as automatic.

Page 227-228
Boreas’s gauntleted fingers danced over the sturdy keys of the control panel, locking the battle cannon’s aim on the long-barrelled artillery piece the orks had hidden alongside the road to the relay station.
...
The Chaplain pressed the fire rune and the gunship shuddered from the recoil. On the display, the emplacement was engulfed with a cloud of fire and dirt.
Again battle cannon has a noticable recoil (considering that the entire ship is supersonic and weighs some 120 tons)

page 232
Using the phase-field generator, Demensuis had burrowed a hole beneath the generator bunker and placed a fusion charge on the cables linking the East Barrens to Kadillus Harbour.
Much like the stasis grenade, the dark Angels have phase field generators, and they put them to an imaginative use.

Page 232
"In a wider context, it could be that I have made the grossest miscalculation and the whole island will explode in one massive volcanic eruption, shattering tectonic plates
and sending tidal waves that will scour all life from the other islands, thereby effectively destroying Piscina as an Imperial world."
...
"Could we destroy the planet?"
...
"It is a theoretical possibility, brother, but highly improbable."
...
"At least one in forty-eight million, I would say."
The odds of 'destroying' the planet and how overloading the geothermal taps would do it. Again this seems much different from what is hinted at in the Spear of Vengeance campaign guide

Page 249
The ground shimmered through the craft’s anti-grav field, dust kicked up by the gravitic impellers keeping the land speeder aloft. The Chaplain’s autosenses registered a wave of electromagnetic energy emitted by the antenna jutting from the blunt nose of the craft as the pilot activated the long-range augur.
Visual effects of antigrav, as well as long range augurs (sensors) seeming to be both an active means of emission as well as being EM based.

Page 253
Just in front, a worried-looking Piscinan lieutenant was shrieking orders at his
command squad as they set up their autocannon. The squad already inside the emplacement were reluctant to leave their cover, leaving no room for the anti-tank gun.
tripod-mount autocannon described as an 'anti-tank' weapon.

Page 259
Covering twenty metres with each jump, the Assault squad sped
down the ravine...
Assault marines covering 20 m per jump. If we knew how llong a jump lasted we could estimate rate of advance in mph

Page 259
The vehicle’s gunner heaved around the nozzle of the flamethrower and fired. A jet of bright orange arced across the gorge, engulfing Zaltys’s squad. One of the Assault Marines was caught full by the inferno and tumbled mid-jump, crashing into the rock amidst a plume of flames and flying shards of armour. The others plunged out of the crackling wave of flame, fire licking from their blackened armour.
One marine sturck down by vehicle mounted flamer. The rest survive.

Page 262-263
He returned to his position to find the orks barely a hundred
metres away.
..
There were few enemies within range of Boreas’s bolt
pistol.
Implied upper limit range (in this case, against orks) of 100 m with bolt pistol.

Page 268
He brought out a fresh clip, loaded with special seeker bolts that Techmarine Hephaestus had presented to the Chaplain after the defence of the basilica. Each
handcrafted round contained a miniature cogitator capable of steering the bolt towards the heat signature of a target.
...
He switched the tactical display of his helm to thermal view and watched for a few seconds as the orks crept along the gorge, their bodies a white glow amongst the warm yellow of the sun reflecting from stone. With a light touch against the trigger of his raised pistol, Boreas activated the weapon’s targeter and zoomed in on his foes.

The Chaplain fired a burst of three rounds and watched the fiery trails of the bolts as they flashed through the air. Two of the bolts zeroed in on an ork crouched behind the twisted trunk of a tree, exploding inside the creature’s back and leg. The third turned sharply, rose a few metres and dived out of sight behind a rock, detonating with a shower of blood that showed up as a spray of warm droplets.
guided bolter shells. nifty.

Page 279
A reddish aura surrounded the orks, wavering and indistinct. A volley of autocannon rounds slammed into the field. Boreas could see the shells slowing as they passed
through the insubstantial barrier; some fell short and impacted the ground in front of the advancing orks; others skewed off-course and passed by without hitting. The few that remained on target had lost so much speed they bounced harmlessly from the orks’ thick
plates of armour.
...
The force field flared and roiled around the greenskin entourage, becoming more visible with every heavy bolter round, autocannon shell and lascannon blast that hit it.
Some sort of ork forcefield. Rather than physically destroying the shells or dumping them into the arp (like voids) they exert some actual resistance to slow or turn aside the rounds. Protects the entire group as well and works against energy attacks, although what melee ones would do is anyone's guess.

It also affords its protection whislt they move, which is a big advantage.

Page 280
Las-fire crackled from Boreas’s right as the defence troopers engaged the orks emerging from the power-plant structure. He saw several shots hitting home, but the orks shrugged off their wounds and continued onwards, ignoring holes in their flesh and burning
wounds across their skin.
underwhelming lasgun fire effects on orks. seems at least partly thermal.

Page 281
A blaze of phosphorescent bullets engulfed Boreas. Each projectile had its own shimmering field and punched into his armour, cracking plates as if they were made of brittle porcelain.
ork bullets - seems each hsa its own powerfield. rather neat and quite useful really.

Page 289
"There are Free Militia troops and tanks en route to Kadillus Harbour from other parts of the island"
...

"We might have airlifted them to the city earlier, but the enemy’s possession of the defence laser rendered that impossible. Similarly, Ghazghkull’s occupation of the docks makes any transportation by sea equally difficult."
Air and sea transport is available for both tanks and troops, although the defense laser is sophisticated enough it can apparently target them (as well as attack starships.)


page 294
The psyker’s face changed. The features did not alter, but the Librarian’s muscles twitched and took on a different cant, approximating another’s face: Azrael, Grand Master of the Dark Angels. The jaw was set firmly, lips thin, cheeks drawn in. When Charon spoke, it was with the voice of the Chapter’s commander, his mouth twisting in imitation of Azrael’s mannerisms
psychic message trnasmitted from one Librarian to another, and apparently morphing the face to suit the bearer (and they know who it is too - interesting in the sort of data it transmits.) We dont know if this is astrotelepathy or just regular TP.

Page 295
"I take it from your expression that you comprehend the intent of
the Grand Master’s command,"
...
"It is better that Kadillus is destroyed than fall into the hands of our enemies."
Azrael orders that Kadillus be destroyed by 3rd company and BElial before it falls to the Orks. Part of me thinks it's simply practical, but i suspect it's the same sort of thing as in Angels of Darkness - we know (from that book) that there is gene-seed stored there and they refuse to let anyone (esp filthy Xenos) have it. so this is Azrael (like Nestor in Angels of Darkness) simply being a dick.

To Belial's credit 9and those who serve him, they aren't happy with this and do their utmost to avoid executing that option. Which says more for them than for others.

Page 298
"Gunship launched, brother-captain." said Hephaestus.
"Decreasing orbital velocity to six kilometres per second. Gravitic
grip deployed. Atmospheric breach in three minutes."
First, i dont know what a gravitic grip is, some sort of tractor beam or repulsor like device perhaps, but it seems to be another example of AG tech on thunderhawks.

The other relevant point is with the orbital velocity. According to here the leo velocity of an object would vary between 7-8 km/s depending on exact orbit, and the novel has consistently described the battle barges as being at or near low orbit usually, up to a few hundred km away, so it should be within that range.

1-2 km/s decrease in velocity in under 3 minutes requires 5-11 m/s sustained thrust. we're probably talking less than a minute though, seconds, so we could be looking at double digit gees quite easily even for a few seconds. Which for a thunderhawk is pretty darn impressive.

Page 300-301
"Undergoingatmospheric braking and energy capture."
...
The Thunderhawk was levelling out of its steep descent and blazing towards the East Barrens at several times the speed of sound.
Literally speaking, 'several' means more than two, so we might interpret this as a Thunderhawk traveling at 3x the speed of sound, even though the Forge world stuff says it travels at slightly less than 2x the speed of sound. so even if we go with 2x, its still faster than forge world values and it isn't pushing the envelope much. Call it 2 or 3 times the speed of sound.

As noted before this also has implications for the battle cannon velocity (EG faster than 2-3x speed of sound, again 1-1.5km/s at least if not several km/s)

I'm not sure what energy capture is, but it suggests that the Thunderhawk is tapping/recovering energy from some part of the descent and bombing run, possibly from braking or the friction.

Page 306
"I am not yet ready to concede Piscina to the orks." said the
company captain.

"Then you will prepare for bombardment, brother," replied Charon.
Implies the battle barge has the capability to destroy the planet via bombardment. We dont know how long, or what kind of way it would do it (disrupting the geothermal core, cyclonics, or virus bombing) but it would have to be fast enough to prevent teleportation easily extracting troops (EG not days, possibly not even hours.)

Page 307
"You will remain aboard the Unrelenting Fury and take command in my absence. I will lead the attack on the East Barrens plant. If the attack fails, you will order the Unrelenting Fury into low orbit to destroy the defence laser site in the city, and also Northport. You will then commence bombardment of the East Barrens facility to destroy the orks’ source of power. If this proves insufficient to halt ork reinforcements, you will do the same at Barrak Gorge and, if ultimately necessary, the power plant in Kadillus Harbour. When the Chapter arrives, the orks will be stranded on this world, no matter the cost. Ghazghkull and his filth will not escape again."

...
"Is there not a high risk attached to orbital bombardment,
brother-captain?"
I suspect 'volatile geothermal reactors' was Gav Thorpe's way of taking orbital support demolishing the orks on its own out of the equation.

Page 309
Even the non-Astartes crew of the Unrelenting Fury had given up their store of lasguns and shotguns and flak armour so that the Free Militia in Kadillus Harbour could be re-equipped.
Unsurprisingly, Chapter Serfs can outfit themselves with gear to fight alongside their masters.

Page 310
Shaped like a knight’s shield embossed with the head of a lion, the displacer field contained a proximity detector and compact warpshift engine. When activated by enemy attack, the device would snap Belial into the warp for a fraction of a second, depositing him back into the material universe unharmed, reappearing a few metres
away from the threat.
Displacer field. unlike other kinds this one seems to predict impacts (detects them) and activates before impact. IF this were laser weapons this would imply a very high reaction time indeed (microseconds or faster)

Page 313
The Dreadnought stood twice as tall as Belial and was as broad. Thick slabs of armour protected the central sarcophagus where the physical remains of Brother Venerari hung suspended in a tank of artificial amniotics. Connected to the massive suit, the Dark Angel walked and fought again, saved from death by the genius of the Apothecaries and Techmarines. Enclosed within his second body of ceramite, adamantium and hardened steel, Venerari was connected to his hydraulic limbs through a mind impulse unit that mirrored the nervous system of a normal Space Marine. The interred veteran sensed the world through augurs and scanners. So he had lived for the last eight hundred and seventeen years, following four hundred and six years as a battle-brother. Unless finally slain in battle, Venerari was to all intents immortal.
Dreadnought. Note the ages. He lived at least for 400 years, and is considreed 'immortal' as a dreadnought (virtually so) contrast this with Astartes agelessness implied in the HH novels.

Page 315
Grautz held himself straight and was considered tall by normal standards, but his eyes were barely level with Belial’s collar.
Which would imply roughly a head shorter.. suggesting the guy is well over 2 metres tall (2.2-2.3?)

Page 317
"Your tanks are not fast enough to keep up with our advance. Keep them here in the city in case Ghazghkull makes an attempt to break out."
PDF tanks (including APCs?) ar emuch slower than the Astartes vehicles.

Page 327
"Column to assume standard spearhead formation two kilometres from Indola compound. Advance to within five hundred metres and engage enemy forces
with all weapons."
Assuming this means small arms or evne just pintle mounts as well as the heavy guns, this might suggest bolters have a range of 500m at least.

Page 343
Belial adjusted the display settings and zoomed out for a wider view. Collating sensor sweeps from the Ravenwing to the north and south, the tactical metriculators presented the commander with a view of the battlefield only a few seconds old. If he was attacking over a narrower front, Belial would have witnessed the action by eye, and been able to respond even more quickly, but the undulating ground and mile-wide attack made that impossible.

Instead he saw his forces from the signatures of their identity transponders and looked at enemies that were nothing more than augur returns and thermal responses.
Belial's tactical display and the sources of info.

Page 345
"Anti-tank weapon three hundred metres to the east. Suppressive fire."

The commander opened fire with the mounted storm bolter, loosing off single rounds in the direction of the anti-tank gun. Other bolts whirred against the field piece from the left and right.
Implies bolt weapon range of at least 300m.

Page 353
Charon dashed past the Dark Angels master, force sword in both hands, his whole body swathed in a mist of blue and black. The orks’ bullets melted into mist as they touched the Librarian, leaving a trailing glitter of metal particles in his wake.
Librarian defense. not sure if its literally melting or not, but a (for example) 50 gram bullet made of lead

melting point is 600K, specific heat is 128 j per kg*K, and heat of fusion is 23 kj per kg.
about 61.4 KJ per kg. Each slug would take 3 kj or so to melt, which isn't much but consider that a.) he'd have to be doing it to many at once (dozens or even hundreds?) and he might have to be acting in a very short timeframe (given ranges and velocities.)

in any event it certianly isn't a extreme stress on him.

Page 354
An instant before the blow struck, the captain’s displacer field activated. Belial’s stomach lurched as he was shunted into warp space; for a fraction of a second he was surrounded by a cacophony of wailing, screaming and shouting while his limbs shuddered with unnatural energy and his eyes danced with swirling light of every colour.

Reality reasserted itself with a popping of air pressure. Belial found himself a few metres back towards the doors.
Displacer field in action.

Page 355
Charon was surrounded by a pile of gently smoking body parts.
...
He let go of his sword with one hand and grabbed the ork’s outstretched wrist in his fist. Psychic energy snarled across the ork, skin charring, fat bubbling as the psychic power fizzed along tendons and blood vessels. The greenskin collapsed, convulsing wildly, steam rising from melted eyes, frothing blood pouring from its nose and ears.
Librarian again psychic-burning an Ork. Mj range at least (depending on size, mass and such.)

Page 361
"If the orks can establish a power link between three geothermal stations, the
Astartes commander has told me that there will be an orbital bombardment of those stations. Even if that does not cause a catastrophic eruption to destroy the island, damage will be extreme."
Again the geothermal stuff is volatile to orbital bombardment :D

Page 366
He plucked disparagingly at the padded tunic covering his torso. "They call this
armour? My brothers have hauled in raspwhales with thicker skins
than this."

"And what about those bolters, eh?’ said Kauninnen. ‘Put a hole
the size of your gob in an ork." He stabbed a finger at his lasgun
leaning against the wall of boxes.

"These things are junk. Never mind shooting orks, I wouldn’t use one of these to find something in a dark room."
..
"‘I blame the Imperial Commander. If she wants a defence force that can fight orks, we
have to have the proper equipment."
obligatory 'flashlight' jokes and criticism of IG armour. although the complaint about 'proper equipment' is fair.

Page 367
"In thousands of years, an ork had never set foot upon
Piscina before ten days ago."
Yet another world utterly peaceful for millenia before disaster struck. It's not so much that the galaxy is constnatly at war in every corner every hour of the day, it's that there are so many dangers and threats out there that you never know when or if it could strike, and what manner it can take. Indeed, I personally find the idea that nowhere is truly safe is best shown when you have an otherwise idyllic and peaceful world that has never been attacked in its history (or has only suffered attacks in the distant past) being invaded more horrifying, because they aren't prepared for such. Whereas some place like Cadia it is taken for grante,d and has much less impact.

Page 369
"Your weapons are inferior because better would be wasted on you," said the sergeant. "It takes as much effort to create one round for my bolt pistol as it does a whole lasgun. Would you entrust that one shot to such a poor marksman?"
...
"My armour is many thousands of years old, from before the Dark Angels came to Piscina." The Space Marine’s voice was harsher, a tone of anger in his words. "Would you have it dishonoured by a wearer that flees from battle? Would you entrust the days of labour that go into its maintenance to a warrior that thinks only of protecting himself?"
Rationale for why Astartes get the best stuff. At least part of it -this could be more a reflection that the PDF forces are largely untrained, unprepared, and generally shit by IG/PDF standards. Although if what he says about bolter rounds vs lasguns is true, that makes a bolter even more of a ridiculous weapon than it already was. I mean fuck, a bolter is equal to 30 lasguns? Not fucking likely, unless they're really shitty lasguns.


Page 369-370
"There is a selfishness in men to protect what is theirs alone," the sergeant continued. "It is a short-sighted belief; for all a man is, he owes to the Emperor. The Astartes swear oaths to be the protectors of the Emperor’s realm and His servants, beyond any
personal desire or ambition. We have the armour and the weapons you desire because we are the few who are worthy of them. Such riches would be squandered on lesser men; frail, frightened men like you."
...
"Which of you would leave this world, travel across the galaxy and lay down his life for the home of a family he had never met?"
...
"Which of you would place yourself directly in danger, to save the lives of others? And do this not just once, on a spur of heroism, unthinking, but for a whole life, time after time, in full knowledge that one day you will die, and it will be a painful, bloody death. Which of you would not only do this thing, but embrace the sacrifice of the self it entails, not just dedicating one’s death to the Emperor, but one’s whole existence?" The Space Marine’s voice softened. "You cannot answer these questions, and thus you cannot know what it is to be Astartes."
What he says has a ring of truth to it and yet... it's hypocrtical coming from a Dark Angel. People are shortsighted and selfish and you probably don't want to waste the best gear on them for that reason, but it doesn't apply to ALL troops - there ar quite a few troopers who are quite tough and resolute lik that and many of them (like the guard) fight and die on alien worlds for other people's survival. I mean fuck, by this standard we could qualify the Death Korps as 'astartes on the sheer basis of 'fighting and dying for others, on alien worlds' and 'willing sacrifice'. but they don't get top gear either (for obvious reasons.)

The arrogance of course comes from the fact the Dark Angels are one of those Chapters that will put their own needs/agendas above the good of others (cities, planets, their populations) if it suits their ends - EG the Fallen. Nevremind the asshole chapters who consider friendly fire casualties to be acceptable losses. Indeed the action sof Boreas (early on in the book) and Nestor (later in the book) are ample proof of this hypocrisy, which makes me wonder if it is intentional.

Although to be fair to most Dark Angels in this book, from Belial, to Namaan, to even this Sergeant they are pretty decent.

Page 372
A rocket screamed out from the Devastators to the left. It exploded about four hundred metres down the ridge. In the flash of light, Tauno saw bodies being flung into the air and a mob of bestial faces.

"There!" he shouted. He levelled his lasgun in the direction of the
blast and opened fire, sending a hail of blue las-bolts into the night.
Lasguns firing in the general vicinity of orks at night. Whehter this is usual range or not we dont know, but it could be purely an accuracy issue - the troopers at least seem confident they can hit or damage at that range (although it's already bene hinted they are shit troops in eneral so tha tmay not be worth much.)

Page 381
The rip of its assault cannon cut through the other noises of war, the speeder illuminated by several seconds of fire. A swathe of orks fell to the attack run, gunned down by hundreds of rounds.
Assault cannon unleahses 'hundreds of rounds' ins everal seconds.. call it 50-100 rounds per second maybe.

Page 381
For all the fury of the troopers’ fire, the orks were still advancing,
no more than a hundred metres away.
...
He exchanged his charge pack again and kept firing, pouring shot after shot into the greenskins. Maybe one in three found his intended target; of those, few stopped the ork they hit.
Accuracy of one of the militia/PDF troopers.

Page 386
Lundvir fell next, his head blown apart by a pistol shot under his
chin.
Ork pistol blows apart human head. at least full power rifle equivalent, if not amr grade.

Page 387
Tauno pushed himself to his feet and grabbed the weapon. He had to snatch it with both hands, the weight too much for one arm.
Astartes bolt pistol. Has to be held (and fired) in two hands by a normal human, but it can be wielded.

Page 387-388
There was a kick from the weapon as the bolt’s firing charge sent the projectile out of the barrel, but nothing more than the autoguns he had fired in training. A split-second later, the bolt no more than two or three metres away, the internal propellant kicked in with a crack that set Tauno’s teeth on edge, its brief flare making him squint.

Straight and true, the accelerating bolt hit the ork just below the left shoulder blade. Skin and flesh buckled as the projectile punched in; a moment later the mass-reactive warhead detonated, ripping a hole the size of Tauno’s head in the ork’s back, splitting the
shoulder blade from one end to the other.
Bolt round firing. The initial charge seems to fire it out to 2-3 m before the bolt iginites. According to here Gyrojets were useless as a wepaon at 5-7m ranges, so we might guess that bolters at least are better than gyrojets in this case, although they may not accelerate to full speed by 2-3m.. we dont know how long they take to accelerate. Given it penetrated inside the Ork, I assume that it reached a 'useful' velocity within a short range, since we're close up (probably less than 10m away from the target).

in any event it blows a head sized hole in the ork.

Page 388
The bolt took the ork clean between the eyes, blowing its head
apart.
Bolt round blows an Ork's head apart.

Page 397
He stopped and brought up his storm bolter, its targeter linking to his autosenses as he placed his finger on the trigger. Seven target reticules sprang into view a moment before he opened fire. The bolts ripped through the thin wall of corrugated metal protecting the greenskins, as fire from the rest of his squad rattled between the steel beams and punched through rockcrete bricks.
Belial firing on Orks. Again probably the seeker shells. note the penetration of rockcrete bricks but not steel beams.

Page 398
A plasma blast incinerated one
of the greenskins in a flash of pale blue energy a moment before Belial was amongst them..
Plasma blast 'incinerate's an ork. Going by severe (flash) burns we're talking several Mj at least.

Page 403
A cowled figure no more than a metre tall followed close on Azrael’s heels, carrying the ornately winged Lion Helm of the Grand Master; a Watcher in the Dark, one of the strange creatures that shared the Tower of Angels with the Chapter.
One of hte Watcher sin the Dark is part of Azrael's entourage, much as in the Dark Angels codex stuff. We learned from the HH Series that they are powerfully psychic xenos aliens, so its interesting to speculate why they act/work alongside the Dark Angels, and why.

Page 408
"What about da rest of da boyz? We ain’t runnin’ away, is we?"

"Nah, dis ain’t runnin’ away. Dis is strat-er-jee. Runnin’ away’s only fer humies and pointy-ears. We’s just leavin’ for a bit. Da rest of da boyz is ’avin’ fun. We’ll let ’em keep da humies bizzy while we do sumfink strat-ee-jik."
ork 'strategy'. It's not running away if they don't think it is (more long term thinking than anythign else.) Ghazzie gets away yet again

Page 408
The warehouse disappeared and Ghazghkull found himself back in the warp for a moment. Like last time, there were all sorts of strange noises and faces leering at the warlord out of the soupy green miasma. He thought he could hear the guffaws and shouts of Gork (or possibly Mork).
Orkish teleportation is also warp based (at least the ones Ghazghkull uses is.) Oddly the daemon/spirit/voices that humans hear, he interprets as being part of the Ork gods.. which really tells you something about orkish perceptions of the warp.
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And next, battle of the Fang. i've mentioned in the Space wolf novel i'm not really fond of this novel, and the reasons (as ADB noted) could be quite nostalgic. it isn't to say i hate all aspects of the story, its mainly the characterization of the Space Wolves - I never cared for that 'There are no Wolves on Fenris' attitude, honestly. Whether that changes with Wraights other novels we shall see.

The parts i *do* like center around the Thousand Sons, and the Dreadnoughts, which seem to be a focal point of the book. In my reading the book took more of a 'Thousand Sons' approach to the space wolf/Thousand Son relationship - Magnus is more of a sympathetic character, as are the Sons themselves, and it seems like the Wolves are presented as more of tragic figures - prideful and arrogant and destined for a fall. The exception being the great company left behind, and the Dreadnoughts. I do enjoy the Dreadnought/human byplay a fair bit, but by and large this is a tale of tragedy for the Space Wolves. Who knows, maybe i dislike it for that reason.

Anyhow, two parts.

Part 1

Page 7
Strike cruiser Gotthammar powered smoothly through the void, its vast engines operating at less than half capacity, its wing of escorts keeping pace comfortably across the ten thousand kilometre-wide patrol formation.
Strike cruiser and escorts in formation, implied to be 10K km on either side.

Page 7
he cruiser was gunmetal-grey against the deep well of the void, its heavily armoured flanks emblazoned with the head of a snarling wolf. It had translated from the warp only hours earlier..
hours since translating from the warp. Important shortly.

Page 7
oid shields rippled like gauze over metres-thick plexiglass realspace viewers, under which the bridge crew laboured to keep the ship on course and with all its systems working at their full pitch of perfection.
Metres thick windows. Presumably the actual hull armour is much thicker.

Page 8
Inside, the bridge was a huge space, over two hundred metres long, a cavern carved out from the core of the vessel. Its roof was largely transparent, formed out of the lens-like realspace portals arranged across a latticework of iron. Below that were gantries ringing the edges of the open chamber, each of them patrolled by kaerls hefting skjoldtar projectile weapons. Further down was the first deck, across which milled more mortal crew. Most were clad in the pearl-grey robes of Fenrisian ship-thralls, though kaerls moved among them too, stomping across the metal decking in blast-armour and translucent face-masks.
Interior of the bridge, and the crew. Note the Kaerls, seem to be heavily armed, militant chapter serfs serving as both PDF and armsman analogues (Someone objected once to me claiming Fenris has a PDF. As if Space Wolves could singlehandedly defend the whole planet from invasion. too much semantic wrangling if you ask me.)

Page 10
Kjarlskar grunted, and took his place on the throne. For such a giant, nearly three metres tall and two across, he moved with an easy, contained fluidity.
Wolf Lord in Terminator plate.

Page 10
The whole Fourth Great Company fleet was buzzing with frustrated energy. Thousands of kaerls, hundreds of Space Marines, all chasing shadows for months on end. Ironhelm, the Chapter’s Great Wolf, had kept them all busy pursuing the target of his obsession across the fringes of the Eye of Terror. Every system in the long search had been the same: abandoned, or pacified, or home to conflicts too tedious and petty to bother with.
Considering the Eye is some 10-20K LY across, we're getting aimplication of investgating around some portion of that over months. We dont know how long they spend at each location, but it does imply an average travle speed on the order of tens of thousands of c, if not much faster.
Also the scale of the Fourth company - hundreds of space marines on a strike cruiser, plus thousands of armed warrior-serf types. Further proof how - at this point - Space Wolves are not a codex chapter. Then again, its not like the Ultramarines don't have their Ultramar regiments :P

Page 10-11
"Probes have been launched," said Anjarm. "We’ll see soon."
...
As he spoke, a semi-circle of pict-screens hung around the command platform flickered into life. The incoming data from the probes emerged on them. A brown-red planet swam into view, growing larger with every second. The probes were still closing, and at such vast range the image was broken and distorted.
...
"Gangava system," answered Anjarm, watching the picts carefully. "Single world, inhabited, nine satellites. Final node in the sector."
...
The planet continued to grow as the probes took up geostationary positions.
Probe deployment and usage to scout ahead. apparentely it isnt a great deal ahead (less than halfway) because of the implied time elapsing.
Also the system is named, which becomes important for this book, as well as the location, so take note.

Page 19
The blunt, snub-nosed flyer came closer, skirting the drifts. It was a four-man skarr gunship, open-sided and armed with twin-linked bolters under the wings.
...
...the flyer came to rest, bobbing a metre from the ground. The tilted engines thundered deep wells into the snow, melting and evaporating it and turning the drifts into slush.
Some sort of gunship/flyer - smaller than a thunderhawk, probably.

Page 24
The Wolf Priest moved silently and slowly, carrying his bulk with an accomplished ease. He was old, and the centuries hung heavily on his ravaged features. Black, straggling hair framed his long face, and the tattoos on the flesh had turned scab-brown with age. His skin looked as tough as plascrete, weathered and beaten down by over five hundred years of ceaseless combat. Though ancient, his eyes were still keen and his grip still strong
500 year old wolf Priest. We know they can get older, but noting these kinds of ages never hurts.

Page 26
The Chamber of the Annulus was high up in the pinnacle of the Fang, in the Valgard near the very summit of the vast fortress, surrounded by a seam of pure granite. It had been one of the first halls to be delved from the living rock by the Terran geomancers brought to Fenris to establish the VI Legion in the time of legends. In that age, tech-adepts had been able to level the very mountains and raise them up again, to shape the continents and quell the tumults of the deathworld’s seasonal upheavals. They could have made Fenris a paradise if they’d chosen, and it was only on the primarch’s orders that the planet was never altered from its fearsome character. Russ wished for his homeworld to remain the great proving ground of warriors, a crucible in which its humanity would be tested and honed forever.

So, as it had happened, only one mountain out of the hundreds on Asaheim had been changed from its primeval form, its chambers hollowed out and wrought by ancient devices of forgotten, terrible power. Now the knowledge brought by those long-dead artificers was fading fast, and no citadel of comparable strength and majesty would ever be built again. The Fang was unique in the Imperium, the product of a genius that was slowly bleeding out of the galaxy as humanity stumbled and unlearned the lessons of the past.
The implied past history of the Fang. Apparently it was built using arcane tech that is no longer available, including all that sort of stuff that involved the mountain levelling/continent planing machines like we saw at Ullanor. GRIMDARK!

Page 28-29
"Gangava Prime," said Ironhelm, relishing the words as they left his cracked lips"What orbital defences there were have been destroyed, but void shields shelter the major settlements. Kjarlskar estimates tens of millions in the principal city alone."
...
The primary target was a massive urban sprawl on a high northern latitude, hundreds of miles across. The swirls of citylight were uncomfortably arranged, and as Greyloc looked at them a hot sensation broke out behind his eyes. He heard low growls around the chamber as the others recognised the mark of corruption in the architecture.
...
"There are over two million troops in the target zone. It’s fortified, and there are armament works within. He’s building a new Legion, brothers."
Thousand Sons 'base' - implied to house Magnus as well as the scope of the troops and equipment there. Had less than 70 years to fortify. Naturally its a trap.

The mainly interesting thing (aside from tens/hundreds of millions and two million tropos, suggesting a 1:10-100 ratio between troops and soldiers, is that there are voids protecting the cities and such, and the urbran sprawl is HUNDREDS of miles across. We know some voids encompass hive cities which can be hundreds or thousands of miles across, but this is a useful reminder of the scope of theatre voids.

Also interesting is to note the size of the city, for all those bombardment calcs. A number of cities tend to be quite large (like in Courage and Honour, for example ;) )

Page 28-29
"How far?" demanded Morskarl, Jarl of the Third, his question muffled by an archaic Heresy-era face-mask.

"Three weeks in the warp. The fleet is being made ready."
Distance between Fenris and the target. REcall that earlier I noted the Fourth - who located Gangava and they were scouting around the edges of the Eye of Terror. Going by the 5th edition map we're talking some 10-15K LY between Fenris and the Eye of Terror region at LEAST, and it takes 3 weeks to cross that for the entire Space wolf fleet. This is a lower limit because we don't know where NEAR the eye they are. Conservatively we assume it's close to the Fenris-facing side (EG where Cadia is) but it could be on the opposite side of the Eye for all we know, which would at LEASt double or triple the distances involved.

In any event 10K LY in 3 weeks is ~170,000c. If we assume they cover something more like 20-30K LY we're talking closer to half a million c or more, and this can still be somerwhat conservative since it assumes a straight line route - 45K LY for examle would be nearly 800,000c, and it would be possible to get a few millionc out of it depending on the maps and scaling marks implied.

Page 35
Herume Aphael ducked as he entered the lexicanum. He was arrayed in full battle-armour, which made him a half-metre taller than Temekh
Thousand Son battle armour adds half a metre in height to the Astartes frame.

Page 36
Even for Temekh and the others who had retained their souls, mere decades had passed since Prospero had been sacked...
Decades since Prospero burned... whilst in the world 1000 years has passed. This means somehwere between a 10-50x discrepancy.

Page 39
Morek was a rivenmaster, leader of five hundred kaerls of the Aettguard.
If we get an idea of forces involved this might give us an idea of their armsmen/militant serfs.

Page 41
Thunderhawk gunships mingled with the chapter’s few remaining Stormbirds, forming an endless stream of jagged shadows against the nightshade-blue sky. Among them were the much larger hlaupa-class escorts, heavily armed variants of the Imperial Navy’s Cobra destroyers. Vessels of such size would not normally have been able to dock within a planetary atmosphere, but the sheer altitude of the Valgard landing stages made it possible for them to make planetfall on Fenris. Twelve of them had left already, and the fabled hangars were swiftly emptying. Only seven days had passed since Kjarlskar’s discovery on Gangava and already the fleet muster was drawing near to completion.
...
Some ships were new arrivals at the muster, having been recalled by Ironhelm only days before from long-range duty. Others had been held above Fenris in readiness for many months, waiting for the Great Wolf’s call to arms.
Cobra destroyer analogues (space Wolf specific) and they have at least a dozen of them. And seven days to muster the fleet, including recalling long-range elements (hundreds or thousands of LY away? - tens or hundreds of thousands of c perhaps.)

Page 42
Like all such Space Marine vessels, it was designed to do one thing only – unleash overwhelming, morale-destroying, nerve-burning fury onto the surface of a recalcitrant world from high orbit. It had done such work many times, and its drop-pod and torpedo arrays were charred black from heavy use. All the Vlka Fenryka were predators, but the Russvangum was perhaps the most potent expression of their awesome reach and power. Only the legendary Hrafnkel had carried a heavier punch, and that was now just a memory in the sagas..
high orbit bombardment implied (tens of thousands of km). also implied firepower/strength comparison

Page 43
That shame had hung over the Wolves for over a thousand years..
A thousand years having passed.

Page 46-47
The Fang was vast beyond compassing – a huge network of tunnels, shafts and chambers that riddled the highest levels of the peak. Even so, the fortress proper was dwarfed by the full bulk of the mountain, and only the very upper reaches had ever been delved into habitation. For the most part, the Wolves dwelt underground, their lairs hidden under kilometres of solid rock. Only at the very pinnacle, the terminus of the Valgard level, did artificial structures break the surface in any quantity. It was there that the mighty landing stages and docking berths had been constructed, clustered around massive towers that thrust from sheer cliffs hundreds of metres tall. Ancient drive mechanisms powered service shafts a kilometre deep, hauling materiel and wargear from depots in the heart of the mountain and delivering them to the transports waiting in the hangars. They were always busy, those places, testament to the restless spirit of the Wolves and their ceaseless voyaging into the sea of stars.
The Fang again

Page 47
Dozens of vessels had left already, and most of those that remained were earmarked for the war-fleet. The ships left to the Twelfth were few, and for the most part the slowest and least well-armed. Only a single strike cruiser, the Skraemar, would remain in orbit to defend the planet, and it would have fewer than a dozen smaller craft in its escort.
Implied scope of the Space Wolf fleet.

Page 48
Fifty metres behind her loomed the Nauro itself, sitting on the hanger apron and steaming gently. It didn’t look like any of the other vessels waiting on the plascrete. It was jet-black, untouched by the gunmetal grey that coloured the rest of the fleet. Its classification was uncertain – too small to be a frigate, far too big to count as a transatmospheric craft, and just under five hundred crew. It sat low against the ground, narrow and unusually slender. Nearly a third of its length was taken up by plasma drives, a ratio that made it colossally fast.
Possibly implying one of those unusual 'smaller than a kilometre' warp capable starships, givne crew complement and generally being bigger than a 'transatmospheric' craft and smaller than a rfigate.

Page 62
The Thousand Sons flotilla flagship Herumon began to slow, making ready to break the seal between the warp and the materium. All around it, the rest of the fleet matched pace, fifty-four blue-and-gold warships and troop carriers grinding down to translation speed.
Scope of the Thousand Sons fleet.

Page 63
Not that it had mattered. The counter-sorcery had affected them all anyway, preserving less than a hundred of the Legion’s sorcerers and condemning the rest, the rubricae, to dust. Now the remnants of what had once been the Emperor’s most finely crafted weapons were scattered into petty bands of raiders, vengeance-seekers and knowledge-thieves. This grand fleet, this gathering of disparate forces, was the final gesture, the last echo of a disaster that had taken place over a thousand years ago.
Post A Thousand sons events. The Rubric, the remaining sorcerers, and the time since then.
Page 63
Most of the mortal crew were much more recently drafted, the products of a long programme of cult-planting on a hundred Imperial worlds.
Thousand Sons Recruitment post Heresy.

Page 64-65
Temekh suppressed his irritation at being asked again, and cast his mind’s eye out on to the Great Ocean. The occult relations between warp-space and realspace unfolded before him like the branches of an equation, moving subtly against one another, falling in and out of balance.
He tracked the location of the fleet and traced it to its destination. The margins were slight. If they maintained their current orientation, they’d be coming in very close to Fenris.
...
"Remember how our orbital stations were taken down? In seconds. That’s the way to burn a world. The Ocean has been calmed for us, smoothed apart to let us drop right in on top of their heads."
...
The shifting vision on the mirror sheared away, replaced by the void. Ahead of them, terrifyingly close, was a single ball of pearl-white. It rushed toward the approaching ships, growing larger with every second. The Thousand Sons fleet, guided by its peerless scryers, had emerged from the warp closer and faster than any mortal-guided ship could have managed.
Thousand Sons sorcery has, through calming the warp (bribing daemons?) and supreme predictive/scrying ability allowed them to emerge very close to Fenris - within seconds of striking, in fact. Showing it is at least possible for Chaos to still do (as well as Orks, if they are insane.)

Bear in mind 'seconds' could mean light seconds, so we could be talking hundreds of thousands or millions of km, rather than in actual orbit. Either way its an impressive feat.

Page 66
Few of the astropaths manning the communications spire in the Valgard were Fenris-born, which made him one of only a dozen or so off-worlders on the entire planet. His native subordinates were rude, malodorous and given to making foul-mouthed jokes about his witchery. They didn’t like the use of psyker powers, even though their own bone-rattlers leaked enough aether-born power to level a manufactorum
Most Fang astropaths are non-natives, and poorly regarded. Which shows again the utter hypocrisy of the Wolves in this regard, since they aren't really admitting their own Rune Priests are psykers - something everyone else is obviously aware of.

Also implies the power level of those Priests, in some vague manner.

Page 68
Earfeil pulled up the first transmission. Standard inter-world communique, something about convoy escorts on one of the Wolves’ protected systems.
The Wolves control or guard more than just Fenris, it seems.

Page 71-72
In the servitor pit below him, a dozen hardwired automata laboured at their stations. On the gantries above, six kaerls were strapped into restraint harnesses until the atmosphere was cleared and gravity generators could compensate properly.
Apparently the ships need to get into orbit before gravity generators can compensate for acceleration, so crews need to be strapped in.

Page 72
That was the joy of piloting an interceptor with a crew entirely composed of mortals – the absolute power, the knowledge he could drive this thing as hard as he wanted. It was a beautiful ship, a thoroughbred, and there was no fun in keeping the ascent within safety parameters.
The Nauro is identified as an 'interceptor' - which might make it one of those 'starfighters as big as a small fucking capital ship'.

Page 72
... enjoying the feel of the ship as it thundered into low orbit range.
...
.. mentally plotting a trajectory that would take them to within a few kilometres of the first orbital gun platform.
Inner shell of orbital gun platforms are somewhere in low orbit.

Page 76
The command module of the gun platform was seven metres wide and circular. Realspace viewers dominated the ceiling. Normally they would have opened out on to blank space. Now the plexiglass looked out on to an inferno. The whole structure, several thousand tons of plasteel and adamantium, was listing dangerously. Across the floor of the module, kaerls and servitors worked at a cluster of linked consoles, all of them alive with flashing danger runes. Far below, the curve of Fenris’s northern hemisphere glowed ice-white in the void.
Size of the orbital g un platforms, or at least, part of it. I should note this is smaller than the implied 'assassin mines' of IA Badab War, much less anything in FFG's registry (which are already supralight)

PAge 76-77
Seven minutes ago there had been signals picked up on the long-range scanners. Two minutes after that the signals had turned into battleships. Either there was a serious problem with the augur array, or a fleet had come out of the warp staggeringly close to Fenris’s gravity well. There’d been no warning, no warp-wakes detected, and no time to do anything other than power up the weapon batteries and prepare to return fire.
This is odd for various reasons. The fleet drops out of warp almost immedaitely on top of the planet, yet they get some indicator on long range scanners from nearly 10 minutes ahead... and yet they get no warning/warp wakes or anything to indicate that. non warp ftl sensors? Seems implausible, unless this is more of that 'Fenris lost tech' crap.

Page 77
"Primary shield failure imminent," read out his huskaerl, Emme Vreborn. Her voice was flinty and unwavering, something that did her credit as the burning console in front of her spat sparks. "Power ten per cent above minimum. We’ve got a few minutes."
Implied endurance of shields.. ten percent above minimum - minimum strength - minimum energy to sustain? we dont know, but they'd still last a few minutes at this stage, suggesting the normal voids might last upwards of 20-30 minutes or more.

Page 78
"Divert all power from the shields and feed to the forward battery."
...
"You heard me. I want one shot before we go"
...
Eye-watering fluorescent beams leapt across the gap, slamming into the frigate a hundred kilometres distant and breaking open the shell of void shielding. Massive, silent explosions rippled along port-ventral galleries of the vessel as the lethal energy cut though the hull-plates and ripped them aside. The ship stopped turning and began to spin down into an aimless death-spiral. More explosions broke out as something within the structure ignited and set off a chain.
Indicative of a close relationship between the power output of shields and weapons (at least well within an OoM)

Enemy frigate 100 km away from the targets, suggesting that the thousand sons force emerged well within orbital vicinity of Fenris, making this one of the closest warp jump emergences ever.

Also, assuming they are firing lasers and there is no orbital counterforce mechanism or antigravity keeping them aloft (or bracing them against recoil), the recoil of the energy weapons firing would be somewhere on the order of hundreds of kilotons.

Page 79
"What have we got left?" he asked, wincing with each hammer-blow his platform took.
...
"Nothing," she reported. "That finished us."
They're out of juice, weaponry, anything of note.

Page 80-81
The gunships, wedge-nosed sapphire Thunderhawks, raced into position, battlecannons primed to fire.
...
They were the last words spoken on gun platform Reike Og before the incoming Thunderhawks of the Thousand Sons unleashed their main cannons on the listing target. Without shielding, the end was almost immediate, and the fragments of metal, plasteel and bone that weren’t immediately vaporised in a cloud of atoms spun into the upper atmosphere, lit up, and burned into nothing.

So it was that huskaerl Vreborn would never know that, of the seven empty saviour pods jettisoned milliseconds before the explosion..
Implies the Battle cannons vaporized much if not the majority of the station. Note above they have no weapons or power to fire weapons left, so there's clearly nothing volatile onboard that could possibly vaporize them completely.

Assuming iron composition and 100-1000 tons of iron vaporized we get between 760 GJ and 7.6 TJ for an unknonw number of Thunderhawks.

Page 85
The two underslung energy lances, the only significant offensive weapons the ship had left, had been knocked out of action after a collision with a huge, spinning chunk of somebody else’s prow-shield.
Armament of the Nauro. It may imply its still quite a bit bigger than a few hundred meters, given that all lances on an escort are all fixed axis and prow facing (which these probably are) Given that it mounts two, I'd guess we're talking at least 300-500 m, and even then the ship woudl have to be highly sophisticated to have this, fast drives AND warp capability.

Page 86
The Wolves, unprepared and massively outgunned, were being taken apart. The first rank of gun platforms was now cold and dead, a circuit of dark, drifting metal. The second and final layer was holding for the moment, but it had taken a horrendous mauling
The ring of space wolf orbital defenses

Page 86
"Starboard lance semi-operational, lord!" came a triumphant cry from below the command throne.

"Semi?" snarled Blackwing, wheeling away from a wing of enemy fighters and exposing his less-damaged starboard flank to them. The telltale juddering in the ship’s frame told him that there were still flank gun batteries in operation, which was something. "Semi? What does that mean?"

"We’ve got one, maybe two shots. Then we’re all burned out."
Again the lances, which implies they're fixed axis, but they do have gun batteries of a sort, but not anything enough to seriously harm (I assume) even another escort. They may even just be point defense guns.

Page 87
"Nauro, Sleikre, Ogmar," came the broken, dry voice, filtered through the ship’s internal systems. It was a recording – how long had they been trying to get through? "Astropathic communications are down. Repeat: Astropathic communications are down. Break blockade and translate for Gangava System. "
Indication that the Nauro is indeed warp capable.

Page 88
The Hould was the beating heart of the Aett. The thousands of mortal warriors, craftsmen, technicians and labourers who maintained the massive citadel lived out their entire lives there. They rarely left the Fang unless taken out of it by troop transports: the air was thin even for natives at that altitude. Their skin was as pale as the ice that covered the upper slopes, and they were all Fenris-born, of the stock that still roamed across the ice-fields below Asaheim and provided the recruits for the Sky Warriors. Their breed been taken into the vast halls of the Aett when the first chambers had been hollowed out, and all could trace their lineages back over thirty generations or more. Only some – the kaerls – were kept at arms at all times, but all knew how to wield a blade and fire a skjoldtar, the heavy, armour-piercing projectile weapon favoured by the Aettguard.
Mortal inhabitants of the Fang. Note the armour piercing projectile weapons for their PDF analogue.

Page 92
Then he was gone, sweeping down through the thermals, descending hundreds of a metres a second, swooping from the Jarlheim levels to those of the Hould.
Space Wolf descending at hundreds of m/s. I'm guessing this is some sort of AG lift tube or grav chute type effect, because I kinda doubt even they can survive high subsonic (or supersonic) impacts with the ground. I'd guess that it also means an implied acceleration/deceleration on the order of tens of gees.

Page 98
A massive section of the destroyer’s decking, itself almost as long as the Nauro, swung across to meet them. Blackwing flung the ship into a downward plummet..
The Naruo, whatever it is, is far smaller than a destroyer, as a mere piece of a destroyer is as longa s it is. We're talking hundreds of m long here. Probably a good 1/3-1/4 the length at least. On the other hand it implies frigates are also smaller than destroyers so...

Page 99
Emerging from the far side of the destroyer’s death throes had given him precious seconds of time. The frigates would assume he’d destroyed himself in the ramming action. When they realised their error, the plasma trail would distort their targeting cogitators for a few seconds more.
frigate targeting.

Page 99
The Nauro’s machine-spirit screamed its anger, protesting at the insane demands put on it, threatening to shut down and flush the life-support. Blackwing ignored it, screwing every last terajoule of power, wrenching every last plasma-burn of speed.
"every last terajoule" implies at least a terajoule-level powerplant from the Nauro, and at that the context suggests a great many terajoules (we're talking like percentage points here) at that in a 'scrape the bottom of the barrel' sort of way (eg scrape every last horsepower' sort of thing.)

On the other hand they also refer to joules as units of power, so maybe its not to be taken too literally either. :P In either case this isnt even a full sized warship (based on implied size and crew complement we might be talking 100-1000x more powerful, at a guess.)

Page 101
So when she did die at last, isolated in high orbit above Fenris and surrounded by foes, the death was not quick. There was no sudden warp-core breach, no decisive detonation of promethium tanks. She was cut in a thousand places, broken open by a million separate stabs of white-hot las-fire, raked by a score of torpedo impacts and turned black by clouds of burning plasma. They kept coming at her, wave after wave of gunships, dancing around the crushing columns of spitting energy thrown through the void by the looming battleships
Level of punishment a Strike cruiser takes, and still remaining at least vaugley combat effective. Destroyed shorty after. Hull takes a million hits even without shields (presumably) and just from lasfire. Score (or more) of otrpedoes and god knows how many cannon or plasma hits.
Also note promethium apparently as a fuel source in a starship. Not the first time either.. I'm starting tot hink promethium is (like plasma reactors) a weird, context-sensitive thing.

Page 103
His last sight was the massive hull of the Herumon sliding across his field of vision, blotting out the destruction beyond. He saw at close quarters the rows upon rows of drop-pod launchers, the pristine launching bays stuffed with landers, the banks of void-to-surface immolators and the bronze lips of the torpedo tubes, all still unused.
The weapons that would bring Hel to Fenris.
specialized planet-razing orbital bombardment weapons. Possibly an example of the so called 'specialized' exterminatus weapons arrays :P

Page 104
"They have control of space – why not bombard from there?"

Wyrmblade cracked a crooked smile.

"Stick to your charms, priest. The shields over the Aett were built to last a siege from fleets four times as big. The witches don’t have that firepower, not since we crippled them on Prospero."

"In any case," said Greyloc quietly, "they have not come to hurl death from afar. They want to take this place, to desecrate it."
An indicator of the strength of the Fang's voids, as well as a comparison for other static theatre void shielding (as an upper limit) We're talking 200+ starships at most (given the thouand son numbers earlier) but its worth noting that not all of those are warships. Still even if only a third were warships we'd be talking over 50-100 ships to breach the shields.

Page 107-108
He looked back at the captain. The man was nothing like a Prosperine warrior. He was short, wiry, with hard, pale skin. All of his comrades were the same. They’d been taken from high-altitude worlds and conditioned for the extreme cold, and when they went into action they’d be wearing heavy plate armour, masks and rebreathers, not breastplates of burnished gold and crimson. Fenris was not a place that rewarded elegance in war.
...
They all did, these new mortals. A thousand cults, on a hundred worlds of the proud Imperium, now drawn together to create the Last Host, the bringers of revenge. They’d been taught that the Thousand Sons sorcerers were gods, heralds of a new dawn of learning and enlightenment amid the darkening shadows of ignorance and blind faith.
The current 'spireguard' troops of the Sons.. probably a transition phase to becoming acutal cultists.

Page 111
In a fortress of wonders, the Fangthane had an awe-inspiring quality all of its own. Its walls soared high up into the dark, hundreds of metres, curving gently toward a roof lost in penumbral gloom. The entire populace of the Hould, hundreds of thousands of souls, could assemble in its cavernous space, filling the frozen chamber floor with the warm breath of humanity.
estimated population of the Fang.

PAge 121-122
Twelve hours after the destruction of the orbital defences, fire came to Asaheim.

The Thousand Sons warships Alexandretta and Phosis T’Kar assumed geostationary orbit one hundred kilometres above the Fang and prepared their payloads for dispersal. The two ships had minimal crew – fewer than two thousand each – and virtually no void-war armaments. They’d been shielded from the battle by a dozen frigates and kept away from harm by ships more suited to close combat. In form, they resembled huge cylinders on a vertical axis wedged through the clinging superstructure of a conventional warship. Everything on board the two ships was designed to feed those cylinders, to keep them supplied with huge amounts of promethium and heavy plasma-derivatives they needed to operate. The curved muzzles were aimed planetwards, ready to unload the energies already cradling within their polished walls.

Aphael called them planet-scourers. They were capable of levelling cities and razing continents, and there was nothing left in local space to hinder their operation.

Orders went out over the fleet mission channel and the devices began to power up. Within the narrow crew corridors around the cylinder housing, unearthly
whining gave way to a low rumble. Chain lightning leapt across the empty void between the cylinder walls, cracking against adamantium bulwarks and breaking out into the void. Generators geared up, pumping energy into enormous converters and channelling it through to the devastation engines.
Dedicated orbital bombardment (even Exterminatus?) platforms. Capable of demolishing cities and continents (IN UNSPECIFIED TIMEFRAME) They charge up and bombard the fang from a geostationary orbit that is artificial (suggesting they have antigrav)
Also note.. promethium again.

Page 122-123
The escorts withdrew, opening up a gap of several hundred kilometres. The entire fleet kept its distance, like a crowd of frightened prey huddling out of range of the hunter.

From his observation cell onboard the Herumon, Temekh watched the accumulation of titanic energies gain pace. The gathering of power was heady, and he could sense the bulging, raging torment locked within the weapons as the limits of containment were reached.
...
Even as he finished speaking, the planet-scourers reached their firing level.

Massive, snaking columns of gold-silver energy thundered down to the target below, twisting and blazing as they sliced through the atmosphere and slammed into the continental shelf. The torrent kept up steadily, a seamless rain of millions upon millions of plasma projectiles, melded into two pillars of withering, draining power and focused on the apex of the mountain ranges below.
...
Even as he finished speaking, the planet-scourers reached their firing level.

Massive, snaking columns of gold-silver energy thundered down to the target below, twisting and blazing as they sliced through the atmosphere and slammed into the continental shelf. The torrent kept up steadily, a seamless rain of millions upon millions of plasma projectiles, melded into two pillars of withering, draining power and focused on the apex of the mountain ranges below."
Millions of shots for the bombardment.. and this is all just a diversion!
Given the earlier assessment of the Fang's shields, we might figure conventional warships are at least within a factor of 10-100 of the firepower of these starships, at least.

Page 126
"Our shields are fed by thermal reactors buried kilometres down," he said, half-talking to himself. "This will do no more than stress the voids, but we won’t be able to send any ship-killers up through it."
Comment on the offensive and defensive cailibites of the Fang.

Page 130
So, forty-eight hours after the destruction of the orbital platforms, they came in spiralling columns, darkening the skies with their numbers. Heavy, lumbering drop-ships disembarked from the holds of the troop-carriers above and thundered down to the embarkation points, guarded by wings of gunships and shadowed by the void-to-surface batteries of the warships in orbit. One after another, the bronze and sapphire vessels broke into the atmosphere, streaking trails of fire as they plummeted.
Bombardment has been going on for at least 36 hgours now.

Page 130-131
Despite his armour and environment bodyglove, the air was terrifyingly cold.
...
His feet crunched through the snow, illuminated by his helmet-lumen, sweeping across the blue-white surface.
..
Even modified through his rebreathers and boosted with oxygen-mix from his backpack, it was thin and caustic. Perhaps it was the alt-clim drugs still swimming through his bloodstream.
...
No movement. Nothing detected on the surveyors.
...
"‘Stay tight," Hemloq voxed, fixing his gaze back on the scene before him.
Some of the equipment of the SpireGuard. They mention plate armour earlier too.


Page 131-132
The plateau was over eight hundred metres across on the flat. It plunged down into a chasm on three sides; on the fourth, the rock rose steeply in broken
...
Fixed lumen-arrays had been erected after planetfall and all the troops disembarking had helm-lights on full-beam. The effect was confusing rather than helpful, as the night was broken by hundreds of star-like points and banks of eye-watering brilliance.
...
he drop-ship sat in the centre of the open space, smoke and steam gushing from its exhausts, a dark outline ringed with whirling tracer lights. Hemloq knew the pilots were eager to take off again. Despite the gunships patrolling the dropsites, they were vulnerable while on the ground, like a prey-bird crouched on its nest.
The current landing zone. We dont quite know where the troops are, but they're at most at the center (or close to it) or far on one of the edges. Transport is probably at least 80-100+ metres long given the implied height.

Page 132
In time, portable void shield generators and proper anti-aircraft defences would be deployed. When that happened, the place would be something like secure.
Fixed defenses, including 'portable' voids.

Page 132-133
"Sweep complete," came a vox from the far side of the dropsite.
...
On the far side of the plateau, a lumen-bank winked out.

Hemloq stiffened.

"Stand fast, men," he said, checking on his helm-display to see who was responsible for that section of perimeter.
Another one disappeared.
...
"They’re coming!" he cried, uncaring of how shrill his voice had become. "Pick your targets!"

He hoisted his lasgun to his shoulder, sweeping it round as he peered out into the gloom. Dimly, he was aware of his men doing likewise. His proximity meter was blank. There was no chatter, no feedback.

Then, from over to his left, lines of retina-burning las-fire blazed out, followed by the whip-crack noise of their discharge. It was madly angled, fired in haste.
...
He whirled to face it, firing his lasgun indiscriminately at nothing. There were shouts of outrage as other beams lanced through the night, some of them striking the flanks of the drop-ship.
Given the earlier layout, if we assume they're close to the center, we could figure on at least a comm and lasgun range of between 400-800 metres in this example. Also the captain has both vox and a helm display (sensors) which shows at least the situation around him and the status of his men.

Page 134
His helm’s night-vision showed up the scene in clear lines. It was evident from the confused response of the enemy that they were using no such technology.

A lumen beam swept across him, briefly showing him up against the dark. His helm runes showed six beads locking on to his position, and he checked his barrelling run to home round on them.

Six mortals, twenty metres off, all dressed in pale-grey camouflaged armour, masked and helmeted, with lowered lasguns.
They [spireguard] don't have night vision but they must have some kinds of scopes that can 'lock on' mwhich suggests more than just optical or naked eye targeting.

Page 148
The noise of the warp drives sounded healthy enough, but even in his critical state Fuerza was enough of an empath to detect the hurt the vessel’s machine-spirit had suffered.
Thousand sons sorcerer can 'feel' the machine spirit. This either means its inroganic/synthetic brain that has a reflection int he warp to some degree, or its made of acutal organic parts (like a servitor)

Page 152
The open sky was streaked with the dirty trails of incoming shell-fire. The enemy had managed to establish firing positions a few kilometres east of Rossek’s hold-out, and now spearheads had begun to advance out of them.
Range of Thousand sons weapons. Whehter it is just artillery or artillery and armour, I dont know.

Page 152
The first wave of landings had been fodder – poorly trained and badly equipped conscripts sent to absorb the fury of the Wolves while the real soldiers were landed further out.
This says something about the capabilities of the real troops, given the gear we've seen displayed already.

Page 153
The two Grey Hunters responded instantly, breaking left from the squad and sweeping up the slope of valley. Rossek’s pack had pushed far down a long, narrow cleft in the mountains, using the impenetrable rock cliffs on either side to mask their approach. The broken boulders, some the size of Rhinos, gave excellent cover. At the far end of the valley, only a few hundred metres distant, the enemy was making its advance.

Two tanks were grinding their way toward Rossek’s position, guarding a phalanx of marching troops in their wake. The incoming fire was heavy and accurate, shattering the boulders in front of them and sending shards spinning into the air. The vehicles had an unusual pattern. Leman Russ chassis, by the look of them, with autocannons and heavy bolters. They looked like the Chapter’s own Exterminators.
...
A huge boulder cracked open several metres to Rossek’s right, blasted apart by a long-range mortar. Heavy bolter-fire from the tanks ran along the valley floor in rows, creeping ever closer to the Wolves’ position.
Autocannons (probably) on the tanks are shatterin boulders big enough for the Wolves to take cover behind. This probably implies they're at least a metre or two in diameter. Range implied to be a few hundred metres, although if this was just for heavy weapons or included small arms we don't know. They do engage shortly later, so it probably can't be much less.

Also apparently there were leman Russ Exterminators by this time, although knowing some authors this could be error. :P

Page 155
It was only then that his proximity scanner picked up the new signals, masked by the infantry advance. Further down the valley floor, moving slowly but inexorably, a line of sapphire and bronze figures was marching up the valley. Rossek crouched down behind cover, checking the numbers. Eighteen. Two times nine.
Space wolf helms have proximity scanners, at least for the officers.

Page 156-157
The Heq’el Mahdi dropsite had grown from a few hundred square metres to over a kilometre, a miniature city draped across the ice-bound highlands.

It had anti-aircraft batteries, void shield generators, prefabricated assault walls and hastily-dug trenches around the perimeter. Over two thousand Spireguard had been landed and more were disembarking every hour. Among them strode squads of rubricae, each accompanied by a sorcerer and shadowed by a hundred more mortal troops. Prosperine tanks and mobile artillery ground their way through the grey patches of lingering snow, their engines labouring and letting loose gouts of black smoke in the extreme conditions. Heq’el Mahdi housed a formidable army in its own right, but it was only one of nine secured dropsites.
Dropsite defenses.

Page 157
A Spireguard commander, wearing the heavy armour, full facemask and tactical battle-helm that had been denied to the first landers, approached and saluted.
I guess this is one of the more high end spireguard unlike the conscripts before. I guess like the Kaerls he as more fancy equipment in his armour.

Page 159
Thanks to our Lord’s deception, there can be no more than a hundred Dogs left in their lair. We bring six hundred of our silent brothers. We have two millions of mortal troops against a few thousand. What numbers would make you more content, brother?
Scope of forces. Implies therea re a mere thousands of kaerls, perhaps.

Page 160
A massive structure lumbered out of the shadow of the load-bay. It stood twice as tall as the rubricae around it, a mobile mountain of curved metal. Its head was placed directly in the centre of its vast barrel chest, surrounded by tracery of bronze. Outsize arms hefted a cannon on one side and a gigantic mining drill on the other. It moved with crushing, deliberate strides, compensating perfectly for the flex of the loading ramp. The gilded monster exuded a pungent aroma of heavy oils and coolant as it came, but nothing else. It had no soul. Even the rubricae had more presence in the warp.
...
"Cataphracts," he breathed, seeing another follow the first down from the open hold. "I thought they’d all been–"


"Destroyed? Not all. These are the last."

Hett watched the enormous battle-robots, the product of ancient cybernetic tech-sorcery, reach the perimeter of the landing site and come to a mute standstill. They looked formidable, utterly unshakeable.
The Sons have battle bots still.

Page 170
He’d seen hive-cities of metal and plascrete that reared their heads through acid atmospheres, enormous agri-combines plagued with dust and ceaseless labour, forgeworlds covered in continent-sized manufactorums, choked with oily smoke and riddled with pollution and disease.
Other worlds in the Imperium.

Page 176
A lucky las-beam hit him full in the chest, upending him and sending him sprawling on his back.

The Blood Claws roared with laughter as they swept past him..
Blood claw knocked on his ass by las shot. Assuming explosive vaporization took place, and a 400 kilo power armoured marine, and a 1 m/s velocity imparted figure 400-200 grams vaporized for a 1-2 km/s gas velocity. call it 200-400 Kj for KE. assuming we're talking 200-400 grams of iron we're alking 1-2 MJ to vaporize. So it gives an approximate (order of magnitude) idea, although it probably isn't a horribly efficient weapon penetration wise. Although just drilling holes in Marines who will self-cauterize is not effective either.

Page 179
Ahmuz Temekh looked over the chamber. He was deep in the heart of the Herumon, shielded from the void by kilometres of the ship’s structure. The room was nine metres in diameter and perfectly circular, its walls polished to a mirror-sheen.
This might imply a battleship a good 4-6 km wide/tall, which given Imperial Lenght/width or height ratios implies a 15-25 km battleship.

Page 180
It was sometimes assumed by practicae and other neophytes that the immaterium and the materium had no precise relationship, and that what happened in one was only imperfectly mirrored in the other. That wasn’t true, despite how hazy those relations could appear to the uninitiated. The causal links were more constant and more concrete than any existing purely in the physical realm, though it look a lifetime of study to see how the infinite elements of the sundered universes harmonised with one another. Even master sorcerers needed symbols in order to make sense of those deep meanings; images were a part of that, as were names. So it was that the chamber also had words of power inscribed across the walls, scripted in atom-perfect lines by machinery long forgotten and forbidden in the mortal Imperium.

In themselves, the names had little significance. Placed in the proper order, and treated with the proper reverence, the significance could be terrifying. It was all about relationships, connections, cause and effect.
That's probably quite true. its all in the complexity and belief and structure, and we've sen this echoed in lots of other cases (notably FFG material). It only looks 'random' or unpredictable because most human don't have the scope or understanding to really grasp it all.
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Part 2

Page 181
The task was difficult, despite the long preparation, the painstaking researches, the sacrifices made. Once certain states had been achieved, once a certain degree of physicality had been relinquished, reassuming it was an arduous process. The universe had learned over the aeons to resist the imposition of pure psychic essence. The materium had a soul of its own – this, too, was not widely known – a generalised ability to defer incursions from the other side of the veil. If it had not, then the power of the daemonic would long since have run riot across the mortal galaxy.

In order to do what his master wished, that power had to be neutralised, to be gently, carefully prised apart.
I suspect this may lie in the ability to neutralize the effects of the warp or the ability to tap it - quit epossibly including what Pariahs/untouchables do.

Page 184
he huge batteries above and alongside the gate were being augmented by extra troop-killing arrays dragged up from the armouries. The Gate itself, wide enough for a hundred men to walk through abreast, had been sanctified by the Rune Priests and painted with fresh signs of aversion. The colossal structure of adamantium, granite and ceramite bristled with linked boltgun turrets, rocket-launchers and static plasma cannons. The firepower collected there was vast, the kind of arsenal more suited to a battlecruiser group than a land-bound citadel.
Enhanced arsenal of the Fang.

Page 189
Just as the Fangthane guarded the approaches from the Hould to the Jarlheim, Borek’s Seal warded passage to the levels below, the Hammerhold and the half-explored Underfang. It was colossal, the size of a battleship’s hull, though almost empty of decoration and devoid of the pelts, bones and carvings that adorned most chambers of the Aett.
Might give us ideas on battleship size if we knew how big it was. Maybe the map would give an idea if it was worth anything :P

Page 196
In the vanguard came the heavy artillery, ranks of them, rolling on heavy treads and churning up the snow. There were big mortar launchers among them, and vehicles bearing demolisher cannons, and still more with gigantic plasma weapons mounted high on their lumbering chassis. Further back came even heavier vehicles, swaying like drunkards as they ground into firing range. There were mobile launchers with whole frames of sleek missiles hoisted into firing angles, and vast superheavy assault tanks with siege cannons protruding from bloated turrets.
Thousand Sons artillery.

Page 196-197
Bolts of plasma and heavy las-fire scythed out across the ice, crackling with enormous, terrible energies as they lanced to their destinations. Heavy bolters thundered out from a hundred positions on the slopes, hurling mass-reactive rounds over huge distances. Autocannons spooled up, spitting lines of armour-piercing shells deep into the enemy columns. Missiles screamed out of their silos, hurtling high into the frost-clear sky before plummeting down into the ranks of the invader.

The oncoming tanks responded as soon as they came into range, and a hail of fire returned, crashing into the walls of the mountain, showering it in an inferno of exploding promethium and detonating shells. The inferno kindled even as the rain of plasma from orbit, the steady column that had shaken the mountain for days, was intensified, and the entire summit of the Fang was bathed in a shifting curtain of flame.
Opposing forces exchanging fire. Rang eseems to be roughly comparable (if we go from earlier, a few km perhaps)

Page 199-200
hey were standing on the edge of a precipice, far down into the Hammerhold. Ahead of them ran a single bridge of stone, flying out across the abyss, six metres wide and without a rail. It disappeared into the gloom and haze of the distance. Hundreds of metres down, in the huge cavern spanned by the bridge, a vision of Hel had unravelled. Gigantic, hulking furnaces, each the height of Warlord Titan and twice as wide, threw off clouds of blood-red light. Channels of heat-blackened stone carried rivers of fire from one inferno to the next, passing through wheels of iron and plunging pistons. The silhouettes of servitor-thralls, their wire-studded spines curled over from hunching, crept between the colossal machinery, checking flickering pict-readouts and tending brass-lined cogitator banks. The vast space hummed with a low, rumbling activity. Along clattering conveyor belts amid the forges, Freija could just make out the embryonic shells of vehicle plating, artillery barrels, even body-armour parts.

And then there were the hammers. They were borne by rows of muscle-enhanced, metal-ribbed, faceless servitors, chained to their adamantium anvils by segmented nerve-conduits, endlessly working, endlessly beating. There were ranks upon ranks of them, more machine than human, moulded into mindless golems by the uncaring arts of the fleshmakers. They were the perfect workers: tireless, uncomplaining, hugely strong, content to hammer away in the pits of fire until death from exhaustion gave them a final release.
...
"Who supervises them?" asked Freija, unable to take half an eye away from the toiling legions down in the haze of fire and heat below.
"They need no supervision."
...
It troubled her that legions of half-dead, semi-mechanised slaves had been toiling under her feet for as long as she’d been alive.
The automated foundaries of the Fang.

Page 201
Freija adjusted her night-vision visor, and the walls were picked out in a grainy pale green.
Kaerl troops have NVG

Page 212
rankly, they ought to have done so already – the ship was still at least twelve days out from Gangava, and that schedule was only possible because he’d continued to thrash the warp drives over the protests of the ship’s Master. A few days ago, he’d made the mistake of asking the Nauro’s Enginariu..
At least 15 days warp travel to reach the Wolf fleet.

Page 214
Lord Ironhelm’s ships must still be in the warp. If we keep travelling at our current pace, with no pauses or slowdowns, we will arrive at Gangava many days after them. And then, even if I can pass on Lord Greyloc’s message swiftly and persuade Ironhelm to return to Fenris, it will be another twenty days before he can possibly do so. Which means that Lord Greyloc, whom I know is held in such unflinching esteem by all this Chapter, will have to hold the citadel, with a single depleted Great Company, for at least forty days.
The Nauro's warp time seems to be roughly consistent with the Fenris fleet.

PAge 215
Neiman, the Navigator, was the only one still looking calm. He was also the only non-Fenrisian on the crew, a Belisarian from Terra, and was as slim and cold as his crewmates were stocky and vigorous. It was rare for him to leave his work of guiding the ship through the perils of the immaterium. In the presence of non-mutants, his pineal eye was covered in a wrap of silk over a steel patch.
apparently this Navigator doesn't have to remain in his throne for the duration of the journey to navigate. Unless he has assistants.

Page 217
Before the kaerl had landed, Blackwing pulled his bolt-pistol from its holster and squeezed off a single round. The slug punched through the flailing man’s head and detonated, spraying bone and glistening grey matter across the wall.
The ruined, headless body hit the metal with a wet thud. It twitched for a moment, then fell still.
bolt pistol head shotting.

Page 218
She swept her gaze across the chamber. It was big, though hard to say how big – even her night-vision visor didn’t pick much out in the far recesses.
Night vision again.

PAge 220
Her proximity meter was empty, save for the group of friendly signals around her.
The Kaerls have some sort of lifeform/detection scanner as well.

Page 224-225
More clouds rolled into being, tumbling from the crown of the mountains to the north, their skirts flickering with lightning. In their shadow came the hail, a sweeping wall of ruin, slamming and bouncing into the ground below.
..
The wind picked up speed and power, growing to a crescendo of whirling, horrific destruction. The pinions of the blizzard closed, fed by the surging energy of the storm. Tanks were up-ended, knocked from their tracks. Flanking columns of troops were swept away, dragged to the precipices at the edges of the causeways and thrown to their deaths.
...
Sturmhjart felt blood well in his mouth, trickling down to the mass of his slicked-down beard. He ignored it. The sharp pain was lost in the whirlwind of psychic power flooding his body. He was nothing more than the conduit, the vessel through which the untamed fury of the maelstrom passed. The raw howl of the wind became a bellowing roar. The flames around the Fang were lashed and pulled into dazzling flares of energy, ripped across the air by the scouring gales.
...
Even so, they struggled against the elements, and the assault faltered. Gunships blazed to the ground like comets, torn apart by the electric sky. The screams of the dying and the terrified echoed through the rippling currents of the storm.
Chief rune priest summons and unleahses a storm on the Sons Army.

Page 226
Skjoldtar rounds did more damage than Imperial Guard autoguns when handled right, and a howl of inhuman pain echoed around the chamber.
Kaerl weapons vs IG autoguns. Skjoldtar are also fully automatic.

PAg 226
"Get back!" she roared, ceasing fire and trying to make sense of the signals on her visor display. There had been nothing on the proximity scan. Nothing.
Proximity sensors on visor display.

Page 239
He glanced at his helm display. Scouts rarely wore helms into combat, which was a habit Blackwing had never understood. Risking losing your head to a stray las-beam seemed less a case of bravado and more a case of stupidity. His clear-visored unit gave him a tactical display that showed up life-signs within a range of thirty metres, as well as reporting on the status of his unit. Not as comprehensive as the Mk VII helm he’d worn as a Hunter, but not far off.

All his visor-runes showed at the present time were the increasingly disrespectful recall requests from Neiman.
...
Blackwing let his photo-reactive lenses do the visual work for him.
Space wolf scouts have a helm and display too, probably not full faced or as durable as power armour.
Also implies a lasbolt can destroy a Marine's head - or at least the neck. Double digit KJ at least?

Page 240
Like all his kind, he had astonishing sensitivity to movement even in near-pitch dark conditions. His nostrils could differentiate the subtlest aroma lingering under the fug of engine-oil and general bilge-grime. His tactile senses could detect movement on the floor a hundred metres away and his hearing would pick up a kaerl coughing on the command bridge.
acuity of Astartes Senses.

Page 241-242
The boom of the detonations ran along the ground, shaking the roots of the mountains, shivering veins of rock that ran kilometres down. Gate-breakers, vast engines of destruction, settled into their firing formation. Single gun-barrels, mounted on immense armoured tracks, two hundred metres long, dark as the shadows of the Underfang and streaked with the smoking patina of war. They’d been hauled into position under the barrage of the lesser artillery and were now unleashed.

Each engine was a piece of tech-sorcery in itself, a fusion of forbidden devices and proscribed mechanics from across a dozen lost worlds. Strange energies slewed across the surface of the barrels like quicksilver, shimmering with ghostly, half-seen witchlight. A low-pitched howling came from within the cavernous firing maws, a shadowy sound that echoed like the fractured sobs of great, nameless crowds. The muzzles of the cannons were ringed with the esoteric bronze shapes so favoured by their creators, each one different, each drawing on some significance long forgotten by the darkening mortal galaxy.
Chaos equivalent of Ordinatus, I suppose.

PAge 247
The gilded monster was busy finishing off the kaerls, breaking limbs with casual flicks before blasting men apart with single shots.
Rubric Marine bolter fire blasting apart people.

Page 249
He lifted his head painfully, feeling the compression in his neck. The Rubric Marine stood immobile three metres away, locked in a half-completed stride forwards. The sorcerer had crumpled to the floor, his robes burning with lurid flames and his armour prised open. The flesh within was... horrible.
"Do not look yet," came a familiar voice.
...
Neiman was there, re-binding his warp-eye.
Navigator's warp eye really demolishes Sons Marine and a Rubric.

Page 250
he first lines of invaders were already closing on the opening, emboldened by the devastating power of the gate-breakers. Greyloc’s helm display flickered with signals as his armour’s machine-spirit rapidly made sense of the thousands of life-signs ahead and prioritised them into target-runes.
Wolf lord helmet display.

Page 250-251
Volleys of armour-piercing fire streaked over their heads, sent by the Long Fangs still in the shadows of the mountain. Kaerls came out in their wake, mortals clad in carapace armour and loosing their heavy projectile guns in controlled bursts.
...
They [Spireguard] were mortals, decked out like his own kaerls in environment suits and shouldering lasguns.
spireguard and Kaerls are similarily equipped, except perhaps for weapons.

Page 258
he magicks of the sorcerers in the Thousand Sons had failed to do anything to answer the Rune Priest’s onslaught in the hours since the gates had gone down, tied up as it was defending their own troops from the elemental fury.
Chief rune Priest has sustained the storm for ohurs by now

PAge 261
..spinning his staff round and drawing down more power from the storm. Lightning arced through the air, tearing apart a column of lumbering troop-carriers and throwing the vehicle-shells high into the hail-wracked wind.
Effects of the storm again.

Page 281
At the mention of Russ, Hett made a warding gesture. Aphael laughed harshly.

"Do not fear – he cannot come to their aid now, as you well know."
This could just be a very flowery way of saying he's dead, but this strongly suggests the Thousand Sons are aware he's alive, where he is, and what he is doing.

Page 283
The Rubric Marine had been half-destroyed by the Navigator’s baleful gaze. When the sorcerer had been killed in turn, the last of its animating genius had been removed and the lumbering warrior-drone had slumped into inaction. The engines had consumed their remains, turning the corrupted metal and broken flesh into just one more piece of fuel for the hungry furnaces.
Apparently the remains of the Sons MArines can provide fuel for the plasma engines/reactor. Suggests its a very general matter-energy conversion process.

Page 301
We have a few thousand kaerls – enough to man the defences, but little more. We need a period of time to recover what strength we can.
Scope of their serf-analogue thingies.

Page 307
By instinct, Rossek primed himself to throw the Priest off. He was capable of doing it. His armour was more than twice as powerful as Wyrmblade’s, and the Wolf Priest was old.
Terminator armour 'twice as powerful' as Power armour, in whatever context that is. More strength maybe, although it gives something in mobility of course (and greatly improved durability.)

Page 323
At times the residue was as hard to dig out as the living rock would have been. The crust of Fenris, as might have been expected, was as unyielding as iron. To make matters worse, the Dogs had placed mines and unexploded fragmentation bombs within the fused stone, and several priceless Cataphracts had been lost as their drill-arms had set off the residual traps.
Not realy easy to calc, but its worth noting that the meltabombs were used to melt/fuse large chunks of rock together at various points, which delayed efforts to dig through the collapsed tunnels.

Page 329
Another Chapter, the Salamanders perhaps, might have made some provision for civilian evacuation, or paused in the attack to assess the possibility of asset recovery for the greater good of the Imperium.
Other chapters (at this point at least) would be more pragmatic or humanitarian than the Space Wolves, in other words. One of the things that dooms them this time, really.

Page 300
Fully three hundred battle-brothers were there: all of Harek Ironhelm’s Great Company, other packs who’d arrived at the muster ahead of their brothers, plus the twelve Rune Priests who’d accompanied the forward assault squads.
Scope of the forces to assault Magnus

Page 334
Barely three hundred metres down, the corridors were red-hot from the fires and the air was unbreathable. Only the bridge and some other ancillary chambers remained, pockets of habitation amid a hurtling mountain of burning space-junk. How long those pockets would remain intact was hard to predict
Approximate implied 'height' of tha Nauro. If the length to height ratios of this ship is consistent with others we could be talking a good 900-1200 m in length, which is considerably larger than I earlier estimated. In any case its got to be much larger than 600m unless it has a dramatically different design from other Imperial ships.

Page 336
Blackwing picked up a helm from the floor beside him. He was in Scout-pattern void-armour, the last suit he’d managed to salvage from the ship’s armoury before the fires had engulfed it. An extension of his usual carapace plate, it did little more than keep the vacuum out and the temperature at survivable levels. Not for the first time on this mission, he missed his old Hunter plate.
Scout void armour.. presumably for zero gee operations and such.

Page 336
Seventeen days. Four fewer than the estimate.
Nauro makes the trip in 17 instead of 21 days. About 20-25% faster.

Page 338
The Long Fangs unleashed their cargo of destruction and the gates to the pyramid dissolved into piles of smoking slag. Huge bronze lintels crashed the ground, brought down by toppling Corinthian pillars. Images of zodiacal beasts were blasted apart, masterpieces of depiction destroyed in a few moments of concentrated fire.

The Eye was the last to go. The beaten metal, hung over the main entrance gates, took more punishment than the rest before it finally caved in, raining broken chunks on to the burning detritus below. As it broke open, a sigh seemed to pass through the air, as if some warding presence had been withdrawn. The giant pyramid shuddered, and fragments of iron and stone tumbled down its sheer sides. The mighty gates had been reduced a gaping, jagged-edged mouth, utterly dark and forbidding.
We dont know how many Long Fangs are in the company amassed above (the 300 or so battle brothers), or how they are armed, but they ended up blasting/melting through a bronze door of some kind in a few momens. assuming a 10 cm thick door about 3x3 meters and made of copper - 4 GJ to melt through. If we assume 50 cm and 6x6m you get 80 GJ. Not really a precise figure, but a very rough idea. Figure Long fangs can on average amass MJ/GJ range firepower, depending on circumstance, weapon and numbers.

Page 346-347
Then he withdrew the chromo on the realspace viewers. The true black of space replaced the false black of the warp-guards. The long-range augurs picked up signals. Ship-signs. Dozens of them.

And far off, past the cordon of battleships, was the planetary signature he’d keyed into the cogitators himself seventeen days ago.

Gangava Prime.
The ship seems to make it in system some distance, at least very close to the planet. Either luck or design or some other factor.

Page 352
"he Wolf Brothers. The lost ones."
...
"The Brothers have been disbanded for over two hundred years..."
Wolf brothers were spanwed some time after the Heresy, and lasted some 800 years before being disbanded.

Page 355
"Maybe the Skraemar wasn’t torn apart by a battleship twice its size."
Thousand Son battle barge (Armada flagship one IIRC) twice the size of a Strike cruiser.

Page 371
The rock wall glowed red, then orange, then harsh white. On the far side of the collapsed tunnel, enormous energies were being applied. The barrier held for a little longer, bowed out, then exploded.

Huge chunks of semi-molten stone were hurled across the Chamber of the Seal, smashing into the far wall a hundred metres distant. In their wake, las-beams the width of a man’s arm lanced through the air. Massive shapes lumbered through the gap, hacking at the edges of the breach with steaming drill-arms.
Lascannon fire (from the Cataphracts probably) punching through. We dont know the exact dimensions of the wall, or the exact timeframe (but its short) but assuming it punches arm-thick holes through stone (say 8-10 cm across) and assuming 10 cm deep.. each shot would be affecting some 1.2 kg - call it 1-2 kg. I'd guess white hot is easily in excess of 1500K for rock which can easily translate into at least several MJ per shot, and 'semi molten' would be roughly consistent with that. Figure at least single/double digit MJ for a 'heat ray' lascannon shot (or a very inefficient explosive one) at least.

Page 372-373
He crouched down and picked up a chunk of rock the size of a man’s head. Lifting it as easily as a mortal might lift a pebble, he threw it across the chamber towards the tunnel on the far side. As it sailed into the dark, the space was rocked by massive explosions. The rock was blasted apart in an instant. From somewhere hidden deep in the recesses of the tunnels, autoguns thundered, sending a storm of ammunition screaming toward the Thousand Sons vanguard.
...
The explosions gradually gave out, and the lightning crackled into nothing, leaving a score of burned-out gun carcasses.
Firepowe from a score or more automated guns (it says autoguns, but earlier it is mentioend they're bolt weapons) pulverize a head sized chunk of stone rapidly. That would be roughly equal to 1-2 kg of TNT to blast apart. We dont know how many shots, but even if its hundreds we're still talking each shot (bolt) being worth a few grams of TNT apiece eaisly.

Page 377
Morek slid down against the cool bulk of the three metre-high, four metre-thick adamantium bulwark he’d been stationed to hold...
....
The shielding warding them had been erected over many days, constructed out of siege-grade materials, and was capable of absorbing huge amounts of punishment before failing.
...
The rain of plasma and bolt-shells either slammed into the barriers or flew harmlessly over their heads, impacting against the roof of the huge tunnel.
'siege grade' adamantium barricades.. resistant to plasma fire (of unknown setting/grade) and bolt fire (of varying calibres - i ncludes full auto heavy bolter)

page 380-381
It had dragged itself to its knees and stabbed its short combat blade into Greyloc’s greaves.
...
They went down sharply, easily leaving behind the slower-moving Rubric Marines. Streams of bolter fire followed them while the pursuers were in range, but it was either evaded or flew off the heavy Terminator armour and soon died out. Greyloc’s leg muscles had begun to knit before he’d gone more than a few hundred metres, testament to the astonishing recuperative power of his gene-heritage
Implied rate of Space Wolf regeneration from a stab wound to the leg, as well as range of Rubric bolters being greater than 'a few hundred metres'.

Page 382-383
As they went, they passed wards against sorcery, freshly consecrated by the Rune Priests only days earlier. There were thousands of them in the warrens of the Aett, all serving to damp down and dilute the powers of the Sons’ sorcerers. Until they were dismantled, the Fang would be a hostile, draining place for them.
Anti sorcery runes, can weaken the abilities of warp enemies inside the Fang. How they can do this and not realize the draw on the warp is beyond me.

PAge 384
were two gigantic war machines. They had the look of ancient, proscribed tech-sorcery and stood more than a head higher than even Sturmhjart. They had fearsome drills mounted on one arm and plasma cannons affixed to the other. Their movements were deliberate and methodical, and nearly as fast as his.
Cataphracts. 'nearly as fast' as a space wolf (at least one in Termaintor) although this may not mean much since we learn in A Thousand Sons that they did some funky sorcery shit to them to make them easier to control. To be fair there is no indication of that there, but it has t be considered.

Page 384
The machines, though, were serious opponents. Greyloc, leaping back to his feet, saw one of his warriors torn apart by a plasma blast and another one thrown bodily to the ground by a punch from the drill-arm.
Thrown to the ground. In Tactical Dreadnought Armour.
...
"Cataphracts," growled the Rune Priest over the vox, understanding what the signals had been telling him. "Soulless machines."
Cataphracts again. Plasma cannon blows apart terminator-armoured marine. Dreadnoughts including Bjorn in particular kick their ass.

Page 386
It was as if a fragment of Russ’s own destructive power had been dragged back into the world of the living, as all-consuming and devastating as it had been when first unleashed on the galaxy two thousand years ago.
This implies 2000 years have passed since the HEresy. Go figure.

Page 395
There were privileges to being the oldest Dreadnought in the Underfang. His chassis was of incredibly ancient design, incorporating technologies that had been rare even before the conflagration of the Heresy. The centuries since then had seen further refinements by successive Iron Priests, each desperate to outdo one another in the glory they could add to the sarcophagus of the Fell-Handed.
...
His nerve-lattice relays were good – much better than those fitted to any other Dreadnought in the Imperium – but they would never get the sensation quite right.
comment on Bjorn's Dreadnought body. I guess tweaking it (illicitly) is tolerated because its Bjorn, but then again the Space wolves were never very conformist.

PAge 397-398
He took a single, bracing stride, rocked back and detonated his cannon. The sorcerer disappeared beneath a tidal wave of explosions, burning and ripping up. Bjorn kept firing, kept funnelling all his hatred and weariness and anguish at the crippled Traitor. When he finally stopped, finally turning to find more prey, his victim’s armour was little more than a super-hot puddle of sizzling hydrocarbons.
Thousand sons sorcerer reduced to puddle of molten.. whatever. Armour probably.. not sure waht the body suffered - from sustained barrage of plasma cannon. Probably not maximal power shot since Bjorn is clearly using sustained fire. Maybe somewhere in the triple digit MJ range depending on armour mass and such, but exact number of shots or duration arent known so its hard to infer sustained firepower other than it sa fairly short period of time (seconds?)

Page 404
The ward had been created on a stone pillar that rose from next to the pit. It was in the shape of an eye, scratched into the stone, with a jagged incision scored across it. There was human blood in the scratch, and a few runes carved underneath.

So simple. A child could have made something similar. And yet, the raw power bleeding from the symbols clamped down on his sorcery like a fist locked over a mouth. The Rune Priests, for all their clumsy misunderstanding of the warp, were adept at manipulating its signs. Somehow, as untutored and ignorant as they were, they had learned how to focus the parallel energies of the aether through the use of names, sigils and gestures. Created in such numbers, the wards of the Fang acted as a powerful dampener of sorcerous energy, such that even summoning the mildest of magicks was difficult and dangerous.
Space Wolf runes again.

Page 414
The skjoldtar rifles were more powerful than the enemy’s lasguns and inflicted heavy damage, but the kaerls were still vulnerable once out of cover.
Some projetile weapons aren't inferior to lasguns.

Page 418-419
" For every Legion he created, there was a purpose. Some were blessed with the power to build, or the skill to administer, or the capacity for stealth. Our gift was different. We were made to destroy. Our whole being is destruction."
...
"We were bred to perform the tasks that no other Legion could, to fight with such extravagance that even our brother warriors would shrink from treachery in the knowledge of what we, the Rout, would do to them."

"That power was exercised more than once. Most famously, as you know, against the enemy who now hammers at our doors. But, for all our zeal, we failed in the task of protection. "
Roles of the Legions and of the Wolves in particular. It's interesting in that it implies that the Wolves were unleashed upon the two unnamed legions quite possibly, since prior to the Heresy only they (or the Sons) could have warranted destruction. It has been implied elsewhere in the Heresy novels, at least.

Also we get mention of various roles for different Legions. I imagine the Iron Warriors and Imperial Fists were the builders. The Ultramarines are of course the administrators (possibly the Word Bearers too, although they go to more of a religious bent.) and the Raven Guard and (probably) Alpha Legion are sneaky.

Pgae 419-420
"The Age of the Imperium, they call it. The needs of mankind have changed. Instead of twenty Legions, there are many hundreds of Chapters. There are no primarchs to guide them. "
...
" Chapters no longer march in ranks of ten thousand or more. They create successors, off-shoots governed by the same gene-seed, so that their primarch’s legacy is maintained across the stars. The more successors, the greater the legacy. The sons of Guilliman are the ancestors of hundreds, as are the sons of Dorn, and so it is that the Imperium is modelled in their image"
By this time there are no longer any Primarchs (long since gone, it would seem) and there are 'hundreds' of Chapters. The vast majority are Fists and Ultramarines, which is interesting considering that by 'modern' times the Smurfs have come to encompass more than half of the Chapters.. it seems the Fists suffered a downturn in numbers over the millenia (we know at least a dozen survived, but its debatable whether they keep 'hundreds' to modern times. Certainly the Smurfs greatly outnumber them.)

Page 420
"We had a successor: the Wolf Brothers, led by Beor Arjac Grimmaesson. They were to have been as numerous as we were, and as powerful. They were gifted a homeworld, Kaeriol, a planet of ice and fire, just as Fenris is. They had half our fleet, half our armouries, half our Priests. They were to have been the first of many, a whole line of descendant Fenrisian Chapters – the Sons of Russ, capable of carving out a star empire the size of Ultramar. That was the vision: to be powerful enough to encircle the Eye of Terror completely, to prevent the Traitors from daring to leave it ever again. "
In other words, they would have encompassed the same role as the Astartes Praeses forces that currently guard over the Eye (the ones that remain, in any case.) Obviously givne what happened to the Wolf Brothers, that backfired.

It also means that half their resources were given over to the Wolf Brothers. Wonder if they got them back.

Page 421
"For the same reason there can be no further successors to the Rout. The Wolf within. We are too dangerous to be copied. The heritage that makes us powerful also makes us unstable. The Brothers, located far from Fenris, fell quickly into the state of beasts. So it must be with any attempt to splice new growth from the gene-seed of Russ"
Unsurprisingly, the Wolf genetics are as unstable sa the Thousand Sons or others. Oh, the irony.

Page 427
"For a generation of mortals, I have worked on a cure for it. No fleshmaker has ever discovered more than I of the ways of the Canis Helix, perhaps not even those who arrived on Fenris with the Allfather himself. It became clear to me the curse could be eradicated while preserving the glory."
...
" I have refined the Helix, altered it to deliver the supernatural strength of the Adeptus Astartes without the ravages of the beast within. The products are as powerful as I am, as quick in the hunt and as skilled with a blade, but they do not degenerate, nor do they fall prey to the Wolf. They take the qualities that make us superb, and purge the factors that prevent us from creating successors."
..
"The ones who came closest to my ideal. They lived for a short time. As of yet, none have survived for more than a matter of hours."
Not unlike the Blood Angels, the Wolves (At this point) have been trying to play with their own genetics to solve their own curse. With greater success, apparently.

Page 435-436
The ship-seers had powers beyond those of any loyalist Navigator to see the approaching bow-waves of starships powering through the warp. The signals recorded on the slate, however, could have been picked up by a deaf-blind child in an isolarium. The fleet coming towards them was approaching fast. Recklessly fast.
Wolves returning to Fenris. Although the seers must be way more powerful/specialized than Navigators in this regard, because technically any psyker can detect such approaches.

Page 445
Magnus was a giant, a five-metre-tall behemoth striding through the clouds of promethium like a man pushing through fields of corn.
Magnus incarnated in mortal form (possessing one of his sorcerers) as a daemon princes is 5 metres tall. not that a strict form matters much to him but still.
Page 447
The Fangthane’s six Dreadnoughts waited for him halfway up the stairway, resolute and unmoving. They opened fire as one, launching missiles and plasma bolts in a blistering, crushing flurry of destructive energy. In a few seconds they unleashed enough firepower to level a whole company of Traitor Marines, chewing through heavy bolter ammo-belts and exhausting energy packs. Magnus emerged from the inferno intact, his armour trailing gouts of smoke and flame. As he towered over them, the Dreadnoughts closed up, gunning their massive power fists and lightning claws into life and bracing for impact.

Magnus seized the nearest Dreadnought in one hand and lifted it from the ground. The huge sarcophagus swayed up above the rolling torment of fire, its close-combat weapon flexing impotently, its heavy bolter thudding shell after shell into the impervious hide of the primarch.

Magnus drew his arm back and hurled the Dreadnought against the walls of the stairway. The Revered Fallen hit the surface at speed, shattering the stone and driving a huge rent in the rock. Magnus loomed over the stricken war machine and clenched his fist again. The Dreadnought’s armour cracked open, shearing down the middle with a resounding clap of thunder, revealing the seething amniotic chamber within
Magnus as the daemon primarch is able to ignore the punishment from six Dreadnoughts for an unkonw period of time (more than enough to wipe out traitor marine companies - easily 100x or more tougher) and can lift and throw Dreadnoughts casually and punch through their armoured shells.

Page 467
Wyrmblade, for all his furious energy and control, was to a primarch what a mortal was to a Space Marine.
That would suggest the Primarchs are an order of magnitude (or more) powerful than Space Marines. At least.

Page 484
His armour boosted him, propelling tons of dense flesh, bone, ceramite and adamantium into the body of the primarch.
Great wolf in (probably) Terminator armour weighs tons, with all his gear and shit.

Page 487
"You should have stayed on Gangava," Magnus rasped...
...
"Gangava no longer exists," coughed Ironhelm, tasting cloyed blood in his mouth as he tried to rise. "Orbital bombardment. Atoms now."
Which would imply they blasted the fuck out of the planet - whether this means they vaporized, mass scattered, or just reduced it to a ball of slag (anything is possilbe) is up in the air, but it does mean a ludicrous amount of energy was expended by a small number of ships (dozens, cerainly fewer than hundreds) in a relatively short space of time (no more than a few days, given the weeks long transit to and from Fenris to the target area. Quite likely evne hours.)
To be fair it may not have been conventional firepower that did it either - they may have just used cyclonics despite the implication of conventional firepower in orbital bombardment.

Page 491
Forty days.

From the first arrival of the Thousand Sons in orbit over Fenris to the slaying of the last Spireguard mortal within the Aett, forty days had passed.
The time for the entire battle from start to finish basically. It's hard to completely/accurately measure the timeframes but, the Sons attack ~9 days after the wolves leave for Gangava. The Wovles spend about a week in orbit before launching theri attack (And getting delayed) It was also mentioned that Bjorn got involved ~24 days after the little jaunt to Gangava was executed, minus 9 days would be 15. Plus another 10 or so is 25 days. So we're talking 15-21 days to blast the planet to pieces and return, possibly less. It's no faster, and possibly several times faster than the early ones, and the likelihood is that it took no less than 15-20 days for the squadron to (however they did it) blow gangava to hell.

For shits and giggles melting to vaporizing the planet would be somewhere between e28 and e31 joules. Assuming 2 dozen ships and 15-21 days we're talking 4e7 seconds. Call it E8 to round off and cuz I'm lazy. That would be an average firepower of e20 to e23 Watts or thereabouts. If we assume they 'merely' did a 1 billion+ megaton mass extinction, thats 'only' e16-e17 watts per ship. (which isn't trivial either, of course :P ) As I said though, it could be conventional bombardment but its equally possible they did something like Cyclonic bombardment as well (which is known for destroying planets too.) although why they needed to stay days and leave ships behind... *shrugs*

Page 496
"Lord Ironhelm wished to finish them himself, but we had tidings of the siege here, and I persuaded him to break from combat. The city was destroyed from orbit, and a squadron left behind to ensure the devastation was complete."
Implies the planet was still intact when the fleet left, but the squadron left behind may have completed the devastation. We're still talkin a few weeks tops to achieve whatever devastation by whatever methods, and the fact it was implied fewer ships (a squadron implies fewer than a dozen, generally) can offset that somewhat. Broadly we're talking the usual exterminatus-level firepower, but whether this translates easily into conventional firepower depends on how charitable you are (or how much someone might bitch.) Conservatively it was something like cyclonics, although as we know with the Night Lords and Dark Angels severe planetary devastation is not impossible either.

Page 499
He’d since been assigned with the task of rebuilding the Twelfth’s void-war capability, though few expected him to last long in the position. He’d already fallen out with the Chapter’s armoury over requisition plans for new fast-attack frigates, insisting on an engine-heavy design that most thought of as wildly impractical.
Wolf scout in position to influence starship building, an dsuggesting design modifications to ship plans. OH NO THE PRECIOUS STC... :P
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Re: Space Marine Battles series thread

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and last update for smb: Gildar rift. written by the only current female 40k writer i am aware of (other than talima fox, but she hasn't written much.). I was expecting this to be boring like the the Silver Skulls short story from (I think) FEar the alien or one of the space marine anthologies, but I wasn't. I'm not sure what to make of it really. there's certainly some weird stuff (like the whole 'Dreadnought ship' concept) but I will admit the ending surprised me.

what I also find a bit odd is that a few sources have taken a somewhat different take with the Silver Skulls and their locales (Inquisitors conspiracies Heavenfall, and Ben counter's 'siege warfare' Silver Skulls.) Whereas Cawkwell gives them that whole prognostication angle. Again not sure what to make of it.

Two part update;


Page 7
Its engines burned white-hot for a few moments, the internally-generated field that had cocooned it on its journey through the warp flared briefly and flickered out. Then gradually, the thrusters began to cool, slowly making their way down through the spectrum to standard operating levels.
...
The Endless Horizon, a lone trader vessel, decelerated dramatically as soon as it was able; a hot blast of plasma drives stalling its headlong flight from the empyrean to a crawl.
Engines burn 'white hot' and plasma engines somehow used to slow forward momentum (ability to redirect enigne thrust forward, as implied for Star Wars vessels? Or does it have significant plasma drives in the bow as well as stern?) Implied acceleration is also high, but we dont really know initial velocity.

Page 11
Unlike some other ships, the Endless Horizon had an almost entirely unaugmented human crew. Abramov had served in ships crewed largely by servitors and had never felt comfortable around them, at least not when he had employed them on his own bridge. As such, the moment he had taken command of the vessel, he had instigated his own rules. Lobotomised servitors still moved around the engineering section in their lifeless way, never needing their morale attending to and keeping the literal cogs of the ship turning. But all of Abramov’s core crew were human. There was not a servitor in sight. He was proud of that fact.
This would seem to imply that it is fairly common - at least among transports and merchant ships - to run large servitor crews. This would mesh with the Ravenor novels (where you could have fewer than 100 human crews onboard), and the fact servitor crews probably are cheaper than human crews to keep (at least if you have good relations iwth the AdMech.)

Probably less applicable to the Navy in most respects, as they seem to prefer large crews for the versatility and tradition (EG not using servitors for gunnery crews or such, despite the obvious advantages. Got to keep the peasants busy with something.)

Of course this could also just be a 'local' thing within the sector and surrounding regions. But it would suggest that it's fairly common for servitor/human crews to balance out.

This could also be used to rationalize crew number inconsistencies - eg cruisers having a mare thousands or 10K crew, while other sources suggest upwards of 100k (rogue trader RPG.) :P

Page 12-13
Abramov had taken ownership of the Endless Horizon several years ago and although his preference had always been for drawing up his own contracts and working for no master but himself, he had nonetheless served the Imperium well when called upon to do so.
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He had spent the first ten years of his ship-board life working solely for the Imperium. It had been long enough to give him a strong urge to work for himself and so he had become freelance. Ironic really, that here he was, back under contract to them once again.
...
...once he had run a few more Imperial contracts, he would reclaim his independence.
i'm not quite sure if this makes him a chartist captain or what, he seems to be more 'allied' with rather than working directly under the imperium (who supposedly own all warp-capable ships - I wonder if he has a Navigator?) in old Space Fleet terms (which Rogue Trader rPG loosely obeys) he might be a licesned (temporary permission) trader (bidding for licenses/routes as they come by) which may be the 'contract's alluded to above.

It's also quite possible the ship is a 'locally registered' one within the sector or subsector, and may be 'beneath' Imperial notice (Again like chartist ships)

Page 14
Ruptured and broken, the ships slowly leached slow trickles of plasma and other toxic wastes into the area. The lethal cocktail created a permanent chemical haze that constantly caused interference with auguries and communications signals.
Oh dear, more weird 40K plasma stuff.

Page 14
But the Silver Skulls considered the sector as part of their territory.
An entire sector? That implies scores or hundreds of worlds, which would make the Skulls far bigger territory wise than Pre-Heresy Ultramar - hell bigger than even the Space wolves (who protect some 100 or so worlds.) Does this mean they have scores of ships to patrol the sector and act as a battlefleet as well? What about non-Astartes military forces? Do the guard still recruit and act here?

It is also possible that there is distinctions between 'owned' and 'administered' territories, sort of. since 5th edition we've known that protectorates and such have cropped up for Space marines, and it could be that being under their jurisdiction or the radius of protection of the Chapter is considered a 'territorial' issue, rather than direct ownership. It could also be that Space marine chapter locations are dictated by territory - something in between Sectors and Segmentum (to cover tha totherwise huge gap.)

Page 14
The Silver Skulls monitored and maintained control over passage through the system with a rule of iron.
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After the necessary approvals and verifications had been carried out, they were granted permission and provided with coordinates where they would be met by an escort. Those who simply translated into realspace on the fringes of the Gildar Rift were very swiftly met with a ‘welcoming party’.
Probably some psychic means of detection. Given their fetish for precog and divination, that is one possible way of discovery, although psychic scrying in general cannot be ruled out either.

Page 19
In clear space, he would have sent service drones outside to deal with the problem.
Probably servitors.


Page 23
a closed-fist of a vessel with a prow bombardment cannon clenched menacingly at its fore. Uniformly painted in serviceable machine grey, it was possible at this proximity to pick out some of the painstakingly worked lettering on the ship’s exterior. It was huge, a gargantuan monster of metal that filled the viewscreen completely as it placed itself between the ailing freighter and the punishing debris field.
Silver skulls Strike cruiser. By the inserts in the book, it's 5 km long (cruiser sized by FFG standards.) Means the freighter is much smaller than that.

Page 24
"I deeply regret that our astropath’s message did not reach you before you entered the warp. "
An astropathic message won't reach a target in the warp? It travels THROUGH the warp... oh dear. I'd say the gellar fields block it, but we've seen cases of astropathic messages sent and received through gellar fields (and by ships in the warp) before. Maybe it varies from ship to ship?

Alternately, it could be a reflection of the risks inherent in sending messages whilst in the warp - acting as a sort of beacon for warp predators, which is always a concern. that would actually make more sense, I think.

Page 27
Promethium, the life blood of the Imperium, not only sated thirsty machine spirits in vehicles and fuelled weaponry, but was the core ingredient in any other number of industrial products.
Uses of Promethium. Again in this context its space oil.

Page 26-27
"Be wary, Abramov. Something translated into the Gildar Rift several solar days ago and disturbed the peace. It appears to have gone again, but you never can tell. This debris field could well be the least of your worries. "
...
The Gildar Rift

In geostationary orbit above Gildar Secundus
++ One week later ++
A bit of foreshadowing. Keep this in mind later.

Also it took less than a week for the transport to arrive insystem. Possibly as few as hours (as implied before) but less than a week. Assuming a 10 Au transit distance average velocity would be ~2500 km/s for a week. Acceleration could easilly e covered by single digit gees.

Page 29
The strategium rested atop the pyramid-like interior of the strike cruiser. It was one of the few locations in the main structure that had something other than the functional steel mesh that ran everywhere else. In this instance, the floor itself was constructed from armaplas mesh. It afforded a dizzying view down to the bridge and with a little effort someone could see through the steel mesh even further still; to the deeper levels of the ship where the training cages and habitation areas were located. The interior of the Dread Argent had been constructed in tiers of concentric rings, each level getting smaller, ziggurat style, until it reached the top and this domed room at its pinnacle. The sounds of the everyday activity of the ship floated up to them in a muted murmur.
Interior of the ship. Seems to be more open than other Imperial vessels.

Page 31
"To the best of my knowledge and until the Lord Commander decrees otherwise, the Resurgent Project will continue as planned." There was a tone of something largely akin to disgust in the captain’s voice. He had committed time and resources to an experiment that he had never wanted to truly be a part of.
Space Marines conducting an experiment. HERESY!

PAge 35
The Dread Argent and the Quicksilver were only two of the Silver Skulls strike cruisers, the others all presently deployed elsewhere throughout the segmentum and beyond. Arrun resumed his register of the other ships still in the Rift. Most of these were Gladius-class escorts, many crewed largely by Chapter serfs.
scope of operations of the Silver Skulls. It's mentioned the redeployment orders will cut their current fleet size (in the rift) in half.


Page 36
..but had discovered rich deposits of the raw minerals needed for the refining of promethium which also bubbled to the surface in plentiful lakes.
"minerals' are involved in the process of refining promethium. Whether this is true for real oil I don't know.

Page 36
Far beneath them on the planet, thousands of Imperial citizens now dwelt largely in subterranean blocks tunnelled kilometres beneath the surface.
...
After several years, agricultural domes began to output their produce ..
Agri domes, and a underground world extending 'kilometres' below the surface. Not unlike Tallarn, I suppose.

Page 36-37
Since the inception of the Resurgent Project, he had used Brand’s psychic connection with the Emperor to determine the appropriate course of action on many occasions.
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He had come into the possession of his own personal tarot four hundred years before, and when his psychic abilities activated the illustrations hidden in their mystical depths, they were quite beautiful
He closed his eyes, a flicker of blue warp lightning crackling between his fingertips as he extended forth the probing, questing tendrils of his psychic conduit with the Emperor of Mankind.
I'm guessing this all means they just have an uncanny skill with using the Tarot. The illustrations in the cards are psychically responsive (unsurprisingly)
Also the prognosticator is at least 400 years old.

Page 41-42
In the very centre of the room, encased within a transparent, narrow chamber; more of a tank which rose continuously from floor to ceiling was the Resurgent himself.
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A gelatinous, sticky-looking liquid filled the tank, enveloping its occupant completely. It clung to his body, giving his darkly tanned skin an unnatural sheen. His arms and legs had long been severed from his torso at the elbows and knees and the machinery that had replaced them was not dissimilar to the arm and leg pieces of the Mark VII battle plate that the Silver Skulls favoured.

The human – if this was what he could still be considered – within the tank was now far more machine than anything and yet his face remained deeply human and astonishingly youthful. He was barely out of his teens. His skin was studded at regular intervals with jack-ports, exactly as Correlan and Ryarus themselves bore. These were the interfaces that granted a Space Marine the ability to connect to his power armour. But the boy in the tank had never been granted the Emperor’s Ward, what other Chapters knew as the black carapace, the membrane that coated a Space Marine’s bones and provided the valuable connection with their power armour.
The resurgent.. key aspect of the project of the same name. Its at least partly cybernetic, and partly tied to Space marine stuff.

Page 43
Here then, was the Silver Skulls greatest technological project and most radical advancement of their existence. Here, within this specially designed tank was the future of the fleet. Here, within this tank was a technological wonder the likes of which the Silver Skulls had never seen. Here was the end product of a true marriage between man and machine.
more hints.

Page 44
Comprised of the Prognosticators who were the Chaplain-Librarians who undertook a dual role and the Chaplains themselves, the Prognosticatum also boasted the elite Prognosticars. These were the Chapter champions; the heroes. They represented the very essence of the Silver Skulls.
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Frequently, these were the psykers whose gifts tended away from the more esoteric divination and precognition that was so crucial to the functioning of the Chapter and leaned towards the more destructive in nature.
The branches of the Librairan-Chaplain corps of the Silver Skulls.

Page44
Every recruit, alongside his rigorous physical training regime and hypno-doctrination sessions was required to divine their future path at some point with a Prognosticator.
One of the key trials of the Skulls. Because they're prognosticators. Beats the pain glove.

Page 51
Replacement limbs hadn’t been an entire altruistic thing. Getting used to controlling the augmetics trained up the dormant sections of Volker’s brain, which would be vital come the inauguration of the neural network.
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Thus, Correlan had taken over the mechanical part of the workload whilst Ryarus had taken responsibility for the biological.
the project involves mechanical and biological components. Presumably Volker is the biological, while the neural networks ar the mechanical. We'll have to wait and see.

Page 51
Everywhere Volker went, even here on the training levels, a small retinue of tech-priests were not far behind ..
Some techpriests involved here. Does this mean it has Admech sanction or are thse more Radical types and the ADmech simply doesnt know (or they do know and can't do a thing to stop it, since the Astartes are outside their purview?)

Page 53
After the bonding took place, he would become as one with the Dread Argent.
I'm hoping it's alot more than just having a strong miu connection to the ship, becuase we've seen lots of captains and Magos and shit who can link themselves into a starship. Or Princeps who become tied indefinitely into their Titans, for this to be 'revolutionary.

Page 55
He was jealous of the encroachment on the only thing that he had ever felt truly belonged to him. the Dread Argent was Jeremiah’s ship. At least, that was the way he saw it.

He was the one who had to soothe its troubled soul when it travelled through the warp.
Apparently Navigators on the ship still connect to the ship when guiding through the warp. This has been shown in other novels (Farseer, the Night Lords, novels, etc.

Page 58
Within minutes, they would be detectable by long-range auguries, but for now, at least, they remained unnoticed and hidden.

The stolen, warp-tainted technology they harboured on board, however, allowed them to scan the Dread Argent fully. Data was received, reconfigured and transmitted down the chain to those who had requested it. Within scant seconds, there was virtually nothing about the operating capacity of Captain Daerys Arrun’s pride and joy that the intruders didn’t know.
Implies some sort of low level FTL scanning capability, although 'warp tainted' and stolen don't eactly sound upbeat.

Page 60-61
"Profile fits Infidel-class design. No identifiable livery."

"Infidels?" Once one of the favoured fighting ships of the Legiones Astartes, but now no longer used. Knowledge of their construction had long been lost and no Chapter of Adeptus Astartes or even the Imperial Navy had any remaining
...
Infidels were almost mythical. Any such vessels still flying were antiquities left over from the time of the Great Heresy.
Infidels were an escort design stolen from the Imperium and turned to Chaos purposes. As far as I know they never built them, much less had any remaining. and I doubt they go back as far as the Great Crusade.

unless there is a different 'Infidel-class'.

Page 60-62
He moved across the bridge to the schemata that were displayed as a shivering, unstable hololith. Just like that in the strategium, it showed the positions of the fleet currently deployed within the Rift.
...
"Muren, make a note of that and make arrangements to contact one of our smaller patrols to work that area."
...
Arrun tapped at a small console, his fingers moving with nimble, practiced ease and on the rendered hololith before him, the flickering representation of the Quicksilver relocated from its current position to the point that it should have been. He similarly moved a number of the other ships to new locations on the plan and scowled deeply.
fleet positions and plotting in the rift. not sure if its in the system as a whole, or implied to be bigger. Partly because I dont remember from the book and I' dont remeber if they ever clarified.

Page 61-62
"They are not yet in weapons range. They are holding position just beyond our ship’s capability. "
...
Arrun stood away from the plinth and turned to the occulus. At this distance, the two ships were little more than dots on an endless sea of stars.
Whatever range they're at they're still beyond visual range. For a 1-2 km long ship (probably) we're tlaking thousands or even tens of thousands of km probably. (5000 km for an ISD at that range I heard once)

Page 62
"Enemy craft are accelerating. Augury readings are returning power spikes in their forward lances. "
These Raiders have lances.

Page 62
"Alert the gun decks. Load all cannons. Present forward batteries and prepare to fire on my word. "
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"Marks are continuing to increase speed, but they are no longer on a direct heading. They’re still holding just on the edge of firing range. "
Ranges haven't closed much yet.

Page 64
"Power up shields and begin loading prow cannons. Cogitator operators, begin calculating firing solutions’ "
Cogitators calculate firing solutions for the guns.

Page 64
There had been much trade activity in the Gildar system in the past few weeks. Many cargo vessels had come and gone, each without incident, each without question. Gildar Secundus was the usual destination but there were other, smaller worlds in the sector that received regular shipments from all across the Imperium.
Implies they get trade from across the Imperium, within 'weeks' although this doesnt mean it takes ships that long to cross those distances.

Page 64
But the ships did not always leave with the same numbers aboard with which they had arrived. Even this was not by itself cause for misgiving. People came and went all the time. Sometimes, larger vessels travelled through, bringing and removing regiments of young men and women to their assignments with the Imperial Guard in other systems. All these were entirely normal activities. Nobody paid attention when a ship came in with two hundred souls aboard and left with one hundred and eighty.
in this region of space, at least, interstellar travel seems fairly commonplace.

Page 67
Transfixed by the fractal edge of the combat knife ..
Fractal edged combat knives. Someone has been reading James Swallow :D

Page 67-68
"Starboard mark is accelerating to attack speed – her weapons are primed. "
...
"She’s training her guns on us, sir. "
...
"And don’t lose sight of that port ship. Continue tracking. "
...
"Infidel Alpha still holding position."
"Target Beta is powering up her weapons."
The Infidels seem to have remained divided and not heading towards the target - they also seemt ob e staying out of weapons range still, since neither ship is firing yet. Starboard must be Alpha, Port beta, because the starboard one powers up first, then the port one.

Page 67-68
"Shield power?"
..
"Deployed at sixty-eight per cent, captain. It’s the best we can get.’"
...
"Unacceptable. Divert more power from the port plasma coils. "
...
"Shield generators now at eighty per cent, sir."
Arrun drew a breath. Eighty per cent would have to be enough. They were an Imperial strike cruiser and the odds were heavily in their favour that they could withstand a bombardment from the Infidel and remain intact.
68% isnt enough to hold off an Infidel, but 80% is it seems. Also plasma coils seem to be the reactors, although whether that is multiple per side we don't know (at least two reactors either way.)

Page 68
One of the human crew applied the ritual blow, slamming the palm of his hand against the end of the gas-lens scope that he was using to track the second Infidel.
Much as in the Ciaphas Cain novels, hitting malfunctioning machinery is a guaranteed way to make it work. Probably belief na dthe warp. :P

Page 69-70
"Starboard Infidel has opened fire. I repeat – incoming lance fire! "
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"All hands brace for impact. " Arrun’s brief anger with the Prognosticator was forgotten in the moment and he crossed the deck in several strides to the weapon bank. "Return fire, Meron. Blast that bastard out of the stars. "
...
Meron’s hand slammed down on the runic keyboards that operated the cannon launch systems and the Dread Argent spat her deadly forward payload across the vast reaches of space towards the Infidel.

The impact of the other ship’s attack of chance went barely registered beyond a slight shaking of the Silver Skulls strike cruiser. The void shields crackled and rippled alarmingly. Arrun knew his ship well enough to note that a slight shaking meant a reasonable amount of damage had been absorbed. The Infidel would have no opportunity to shoot at them a second time; the missiles that the Dread Argent had launched would reach it and destroy it before that happened.

"Impact in three... two... one..."

Time stood still as the occulus blossomed with the glaring white light of the Infidel as her plasma engines detonated. A vast shower of metal debris blasted outwards from the ship, some thrown as far as the Dread Argent itself.
Ships exchange fire. We earlier established that the range was just barely on the edge of firing range. The range is not stated, but we can extrapolate several ways. We knwo from various sources - BFG and the Rogue Trader RPG, various novels like Dark Creed, Nightbringre, the BFG novels, and the like - that weapons ranges are easily in the tens to hundreds of thousands of km range. Striking in seconds like that you should get a velocity well into thousands if not tens of thousands of km/s.

Even ignoring that, we could establish that the infidels were Beyond visual range more or less, which means they should be a good many thousands/tens of thousands of km away. So they still took seconds to cross that distance, suggesting high hundreds/low thousands of km/s projectile velocity no matter what.

On the other hand, the fact they could speak whilst Lance fire struck the ship and the crew had time to speak before it was mentioned scould suggest many seconds passed between firing and impact. And since most lances are lasers they would travel at lightspeed - indicating ranges of hundreds of thousnads - even millions of km. To be fair I'm skeptical of the latter, given that few if any sources strongly suggest it. I'd be inclined to think that the lance strike hit before they returned fire - although even then we're talking a good second or two at least for the beam to hit, which is still hundreds of thousands of km (300-600 thousand km would be consistent with other sources.) Based on this, and the 'seconds' it takes to strike the target, we're talking many tens or hundreds of thousands of km/s projectile velcoity. Probably less than .5c though, given Nova cannon. It could be (for example) that the other lances are plasma or fusion, which would be more like particle beams and could travel at some slower fraction of lightspeed (tens of thousands of km/s as per BFG) and it could still mesh with the above.

Overall i'd be more inclined to settle on thousands/tens of thousands of km/s - the context makes it clear that cannon fire is not drastically slower than beam fire, not much more than an Oom of difference at most.

Also the impact of the lance strike only 'slightly shakes' the strike cruiser. Assuming a 30 megaton strike cruiser (same mass as a FFG Lunar) and a massless laser, and between tens or hundreds of cm/s 'shaking' we might gets omething in the high megatons to gigatons for the lance. Of course, if it isn't a laser, things could get different and complicated, but it's interesting to know anyhow. And to be fair if the mass is greate (even the shaking could be fudged a bit) the calc obviously woudl need to be adjusted.

Page 85
As one of the strike cruisers under the command of the mighty Space Wolves, the Wolf of Fenris was a harbinger. When she arrived retribution almost invariably came in her wake.
In CSM 4th edition, the Wolf was captured/demolished by the Red Corsairs sometime after Badab. You'd think the silver Skulls would know this by now or something. This isn't something that cropped up just right after the Badab war, events speak of Huron having made plans for this. And yet, the skulls seem ignorant of its past history (or at least the fact it was missing.) This is that Kroot psyker thing all over again.

Page 88-89
In their past dealings, the Space Wolves had shown a strange sort of tolerance for the Prognosticatum of the Silver Skulls. Whilst they had no love lost for the psychic children of the far-flung God-Emperor, they found the divination methods of the Silver Skulls more in keeping with their own Rune Priests.
Gotta love Space wolf Hypocrisy.


Page 94
Steel-grey hands closed around bolter stocks ...
Bolters with actual stocks!

Page 95
Ryarus cast a ruby-tinted gaze around the staging area. Runes ran across his retina and the auto-focus was working hard, picking out the rusty hue of the bloodied areas and the weapons that were strewn everywhere. The heat sensors in his visor showed nothing but his battle-brothers.
Apothecary-vision.

Page 97-98
Ryarus stared at the reams of data scrolling in front of his retinas, his systems already adjusting from investigative to battle mode. The runes that had previously flashed white before his eyes began to wink urgently.
Different modes of visor.

Page 109
"Incoming munitions from their prow cannon and port-side batteries! All hands brace for impact! Repeat, all hands brace for impact!"

At this proximity, it would take next to no time for the Wolf’s attack to reach them. Arrun barked out an order to return fire, but never quite got the full sentence out. The opening salvo from the Wolf of Fenris crashed over the Dread Argent’s void shields, sending a rippling shudder through the hull of the vessel.
We dont know the ranges again, but the propogation times are short. If we're talking thousands or tens of thousands of km, it might be in the high hundrds/low thousands of km/s again.

We could also extrapolate that macro cannon and bombardment cannon have similar velociites in this case, in which case (based on Execution Hour) we might say both have a velocity approaching a quarter of the speed of light.

Page 110
His breathing steadied and the pounding of his twin hearts began to stabilise. Clinical detachment took over. The fact that both hearts were beating gave a measure of the extent of his internal injuries. If he was wounded enough that his secondary organ was functioning, things were dire.

Utilising the skills of self-control, he regulated his breathing for a while longer until the soft thud of his second heart slowly faded to a barely perceptible rhythm.
I'm pretty sure the second heart gets used more than just in emergencies. like in combat - thats the point its s upposed to help maintain the enhanced physiology in those cases. In any case it givesa n indicator of physical state, and the beating of the second hard can be controlled or suppressed

Page 113
His research scrolls and early documentation were lauded for their extraordinary insight and understanding of Space Marine physiology
Apothecaries not only do research into Space marine biology, but they publish their work (at least amongst other Apothecaries.) Makes some sense, we know the blood angels sanguinary priests constantly research their own biology searching for a cure, after all.

Page 115-116
"Wolf of Fenris is increasing speed. All current cogitations suggest that the Wolf of Fenris is setting herself on a likely collision course with the Dread Argent. At current speed and bearing, the Wolf of Fenris... "
...
As the servitor had so correctly observed, the ship was powering up to run towards them. It didn’t take a lifetime’s naval experience to predict that they were rapidly approaching ramming speed.
...
Evasion would be impossible. A vessel the size of the Dread Argent was not going to move swiftly out of the collision course that the Wolf of Fenris had set.
Ship accelerating towards ramming speed. We dont know quite how fast that migth be but if we go by BFG terms that might be tens or hundreds of km/s perhaps.

Page 119
The second lascannon shot struck its target this time, searing a crippling wound in the flank of the gunship.
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"Counter-measures! Counter-measures!" Porteus roared to the pilot as he smacked his harness release buckle. "Where is that coming from?"

"The shots are coming from the turrets on the promethium refinery! Aiming guns... firing..."

There was the chatter of the Thunderhawk’s weapons as the slaved servitors engaged and then there was a disorienting, rocking explosion caused by another shot which completely obliterated the starboard engine.
Ground based AAA lascannon attacking thudnerhawk. Presumably km up still, although exact range isnt known. Thunderhawk weapons (heavy bolters - chattering?) seem to have similar range.

Also there are countermeasures against lasers, or against targeting, or perhaps both.

Page 121
The tiniest of mathematical calculations that had been input in the Wolf’s helm several minutes earlier was enough to bring the ships agonisingly close. Yet in spatial terms, ‘agonisingly close’ was still an astonishing distance away.
"minutes" passing since the ramming incident started. Assuming 20 km/s average velocity range is 2400-3600 km for 2-3 minutes. AT 200 km/s we're talking 24,000-36,000. Basically thousands to tens of thousands of km as I speculated earlier.

Assuming 20 gee constant acceleration you might get 1500-3000 km, for 2-3 minutes of constant accel.

Page 121
Relentlessly pounding at each other, the two behemoth vessels ran parallel for a time. Void shields trembled and shrieked at the proximity, flooding the space between them with crackling, arcing discharge. The energy that each ship’s shields generated sought to repel the other with equal ferocity.

Macro shells that were easily the size of battle tanks, streams of plasma so potent that they could boil hab-blocks and huge calibre laser fire filled the spatial gulf, stippling the void shields of both with thousands of tiny impact craters, each desperately seeking to claw its way through.
Thousands of shots, tank sized macro cannon shells (30-80 tonnes depending on battle bank)

Plasma stream that can 'boil a hab block' depends on what you define a block as. Going by Salamander definition of 'hab block' as a 'hive block' you get 1000 m. Regular block definition is 250 m. Assuming a 250-1000 m diameter crater you get 6.5 MT for a 250 m hab block. For a 1000 m hive block you get something closer to 400 mt. Both are lower limits.

ASsuming a 30-60 ton "macro shell" with a nuclear warhead (1-5 Mt per ton) you'd get between 30 and 300 mT per shell. With probably hundred (thousands?) of guns per side we're eaisly talking GT range bombardments implied from all this in a very short period of time, assuming all weapons are of roughly similar magnitude.

Page 121
"Our shield generators are starting to fail. They’re still holding for now, but we can’t take much more of this."
"She will hold."
...
Not all of her guns were operational, probably as a result of whatever had happened to her. As such, the fiery venom that she spat at the Dread Argent was nowhere near indicative of her true deadly force. The Silver Skulls ship, on the other hand, was at peak performance.
Most of the weapons fire (the thousands of shots0 probably comes from the Silver skulls strike cruiser. Also stirke cruiser grade firepower can threaten to overhwlm strike cruiser grade defenses.

Page 122
The punishing assault finally collapsed the last of the Wolf’s shield banks and the multitude of projectiles from the Dread Argent began tearing at the armoured skin
Again layered. multiple, redundant void shielding.

Page 122
One after another, ships were being disgorged from the warp and emerging into realspace. Translating deep in-system to the Gildar Rift was the kind of risk that only a fool would take. There was a catastrophic risk of collision.
Again its possible, though risky, to tranlsate close to a planet from the warp.

Page 123
"If you would, perhaps you will recall that I put out an astropathic call to the other ships in the Rift. They will be here in a matter of hours as soon as I give the word. The Manifest Destiny is amongst them. "
"hours" to reach the planet, regardless of whether in-system or out in another systme. I'm betting the former, although the latter is possible. Assuming 12 hours and 2 AU we're talking ~60-70 gravities, including for the battle barge.

If the implication was they crossed the sector in hours, we'd be talking tens or hundreds of light years in under a day.

Also astropathic signal took less than a few minutes (less) to be sent and gain a response.

Page 124
"None of these ships can cause us any real harm, not yet. In the main, they’re nothing more than frigates, destroyers... maybe a couple of escorts. "
frigates and destroyers treated separate from Escorts, for some reason.

Page 124
The battle-barge, one of two the Silver Skulls boasted, was his usual command. It was quite capable of enough firepower to wipe these intruders from the face of the Gildar Rift with a few barrages of its main weapons.
The Skulls have two battle barges, all with enough firepower to wipe out several squadrons of escorts in 'a few barrages'.

Page 124
The loss of the strike cruiser was a blow to the Space Wolves and a great source of fury for all loyal battle-brothers. Information travelled so slowly throughout the Imperium of Man, given the great distances, that it was entirely possible Terra itself wasn’t even yet aware of this turn of events. Despite the gravity of his own present situation, he made a mental note to set an astropath the task of sending the news as soon as possible.
Possibly explaining why the Silver Skulls didnt know about it. Maybe the Wolves kept the info to themselves? I doubt they would want ot admit to such a shame.

Page 129
"Although there may be some sort of blocking signal being utilised by whoever tried to shoot us down."
Auspex jamming.

Page 129
All that remained was to strip away Simeon’s battle plate. They would not be transporting it with them, but they could not perform the rite of cremation whilst he remained encased in its shell
...
As he stood, he accepted a flamer from Keyle. Igniting it, he aimed it at Simeon’s lifeless body.
...
The flames licked around the Prognosticator, burning ferociously. It would take time to fully dispose of the body and time was something that the squad had precious little of.
Space Marine armour apparently can protect against cremation level temperatures/energies - unless the point was 'they don't want to damage it during the cremation.' it could go either way, since in the Salamander novels they did cremate a guy with his armour (By dumping him in lava, though.)

Also, Space marine flamer can cremate a body, although it takes time. It oddly also doesn't need any additional fuel, suggesting the flame 'eats away' wat the body, possibly using internal energy/fuel reserves (like fat) to burn it up as well, although ti still points to flamer fuel having an insane energy density (even assuming 100 kilos of fuel was used on the body and it only took a few GJ to burn to ash we're talking a good 20-30 MJ per kg which is insanely effective for flamer fuel, since a kg of flame fuel in a RL flamer will generally inflict severe burns but not much else.)

Page 136
But it wasn’t the only planet that was under threat. Across the eight major planets of the Gildar system, the arrival of Huron Blackheart meant that loyal Imperial citizens were finding themselves drowned in the relentless tide that he had brought.
8 major planets in the Gildar system. Not including moons, stations, etc.

Page 142
"Reduce shields to minimal power. Divert everything we have to the engines." A few eyebrows raised in confusion, but he ignored them. "Ahead full speed. Full burn. Hard and fast as you can muster.’"An officer hastily relayed the orders and within seconds the angry thrum of the plasma reactors could be felt vibrating through the hull.

"If we try to run with such weakened defences, then the Tyrant will burn us from the void in seconds,"
you can divert power from shields to engines to boost acceleration, and presumably from weapons as well.. and they all presumably provide a comparable magnitude of energy (useful enought o matter, at least)

Also with minimal voids, a battle barge would demolish a strike cruiser in 'seconds'

Page 143
As Arrun had predicted, within moments of their move, the guns of the Spectre unleashed a murderous volley. What the slave crew of Huron Blackheart’s massive vessel lacked in skill they more than made up for with enthusiasm and before the Dread Argent had truly begun to make any headway its shields had collapsed under the barrage.

Half a second later a brass-wrought shell the size of a battle tank tore a savage hole in the armoured engine housing.
Again seconds worth of travel time between ship and target (Implying perhaps thousands/tens of thousands of km/s velocity), and tank sized battle shells (this time from a battle barge itself.

Page 144
The strike cruiser was famed for the ferocity of its guns, mighty cannons that hurled shells from orbit to crush cities and sunder continents. Like many ships however, it was studded from prow to stern with hundreds of smaller turrets that were most frequently employed to keep debris, missiles and other small projectiles at bay. Lascannons and massive rotary guns filled the space around the Dread Argent with a lethal storm of energy and shrapnel that cut the surrounding raiders to pieces with ruthless efficiency.
Strike cruiser can 'sunder continents' with its cannons as well as 'crush cities'. What kinds of cities we dont know nor the kind of damage 'sunder' and 'crush' means. It implies it can do both in a single salvo though. The continet bit would imply gigaton/teraton level firepower at least, though *snicker*

Also, 'hundreds' of point defense turrets.
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Part 2
Page 147
The sergeant checked the various data feeds that he was receiving in his helmet. His positioning systems were compromised by the proximity of the mountains, but he did what he could to plot a course through the treacherous peaks.
Helmet data feeds of various types, including navigational systems.

Page 147
With a shrieking whine, the final rivet was driven in, studding his gauntlet to the vambraces and he stepped down from the arming podium.
Skulls are rivted into their armour, I guess.

Page 151
"Proximity warning. Another vessel is entering the system. Augury lock in four... three... "
...
"Two... one... We have contact. I repeat, we have contact. Scanning for identification... receiving ident. My lord, it’s the Manifest Destiny. "
silver skulls battle barge arrives. We dont know the distance (yet) but it implied active sensing to whatever distance it was at, and that could be near-realtime.

Also the fact it emerged from the warp suggests at least some fo the fleet in the Gildar Rift is out-system. So for a few mintues of astropathic communication, And hours to transit (lets say 6 hours) and a 10-20 LY distance - 15,000-30,000c at least, and a good 3-10 million c minimum astropathic message time. Not including sublight time to get insystem.

Page 154
"If we continue to divert power from non-critical systems, shield banks will operate at a constant ninety-six per cent until damaged "
I wonder how 'damage' degrades shields? Power loss/usage, inefficiencies creeping ind ue to overheating?

Page 154
The battle began slowly; almost painfully so. Every single one of the ships engaged in this combat were leviathans, built for long-distance travel or for delivering punishing retribution to transgressors on planets far below. All but three of the vessels were sluggish to respond.
Implies the grand cruisers are perhaps more mobile than the Space Marine ships, even the battle barges. Considering how sluggish Grand cruisers are supposed to be, that says something about the corsair/Silver skulls ships.

Page 159
One of them on its own presented a considerable threat; their flanks bristled with banks of energy lances and huge calibre plasma cannons designed specifically to shatter shields and pierce hulls.
Firepower of Executor Grand cruisers. apparently they ave plasma cannons as well as lances.

Page 160
The orders were relayed through the ship to the better part of a full kilometre away. Deep within the armoured and stifling confines of the magazine, an army of servitors and Chapter serfs sparked into immediate, obedient action. Colossal racks located beneath a shielded canopy lowered pressure-heated shells onto the mass of conveyors that lined the interior of the ship. These shells were hauled into the cavernous breaches by a combination of archaic technology and serfs.
...
Once the projectiles were secured into position, the rising whine of a hundred banks of generators added to the noise, filling the air until it rose to a pitch that could no longer be heard by anyone other than the aurally augmented. When the missile was fired, the forces created by the generators propelled the massive shell towards its target.
...
From initial order to execution, the process took a little under a minute. In a pitched battle, even this was too long.
...
Their job was simply to load. Other things, such as aiming and engaging the circuits that propelled the missiles happened far away, on the bridge.
Loading process for cannons, the firing mechanism, and the refire time. Note the use of servitors as well as serfs.
Also targeting and firing the guns occurs on teh bridge.

Page 162
"The augur arrays are picking up the imminent arrival of a number of our own escort vessels. "
Can they detect them in realspace or the warp? And if the latter, how?

Page 162-163
Another two or three partial hits would disable the shields completely. A direct hit after that would destroy them. They could only reroute power to the shields for so long before they burned out the systems completely. The Tyrant was trying to force them into complete surrender.
For some reason continually reinforcing shields by transferring power will eventually overload them permanantly.

Page 165
Movement caught the sergeant’s eye and he blink-clicked his visual display to zoom mode. Targeting reticules immediately came into being and he gazed past them at one of the Red Corsair..
helmet targeting reticules.

Page 167
Designed and modified by the Chapter’s tech-priests and Techmarines, these close-support variants of the ubiquitous Space Marine gunships were of a slightly sleeker design and boasted las-weapons in place of the more common heavy bolter mounts. Clutches of high explosive warheads hung beneath the stubby wings.
...
Piloted by human serfs – the Adeptus Astartes battle-brothers considered too valuable to deploy into a dogfight – Silver Skulls were nonetheless stringent about the training their pilots undertook.
Starfighter variant of a Thunderhawk, it seems. we got stuff like that from the Dawn of war novels too, IIRC.

Page 179-180
More of the Silver Skulls fleet was beginning to translate in-system, arriving as ordered from their outlying patrol routes. Mostly escort ships and light cruisers, but their additional fire power was critical at this stage.
The rest of the fleet came in from out-system as well.

Page 187
Ship’s servitors and Chapter serfs fought alongside their Adeptus Astartes masters and countless fell at the hands of the raiders.
Servitors fighting. Apparently these aren't combat specialized models either.

Page 193
The first enemy’s bellow of fury was cut abruptly short as the bolt pierced the soft skin of his temple and lodged in his brain where it exploded barely a heartbeat later. He fell to the floor twitching, blood and grey matter mixing from the jagged remains of his skul
Maybe head shattering? I dunno.

Page 197
Where the lone Red Corsair had been at its epicentre there was now nothing but a perfectly concave impression in the deck where the warp field had formed. There was plasteel so hot that it was melting – and a hemispherical opening in the bulkhead itself. The vestiges of the warp field finally collapsed.
Effect of a teleport beam. Rather unusual effect, but effective in its own way. (not unlike the effect planetstrike describes when turning teleporters into weapons.

Page 204-205
Very soon after, Correlan picked up where the Apothecary left off and replaced those nerve endings with fine wires that he inserted with great care, threading them inside Volker’s neural system. There were hundreds of tiny incisions, and at the completion of each connection an adept stepped in and cauterised the wound with an arc-brander, lacing the flesh with a lattice of electoos.
Part of the mind-machine interface connections, I guess. I beleive Electoos or something similar have been used as interfaces for conductiong all sorts of electronic transactions (access to doorways, funds transfers, etc.)

Page 207
"Once the first cable connects, the others will follow automatically," he said, quietly, more to Volker than to Naryn. "It is similar to the method we use to connect to our power armour."
In other words, its a MIU interface.

Page 210
"Connection is complete. All that remains is to position the cradle and connect the MIU to the ship’s systems. As soon as I perform the ritual of unbinding, he will have full access to the ship. "
Meaning he can do the same thing a Titan princeps can do, or any starship that has its captain or Techpriests wired into the ship (like in many novels.) it might be notable for the level of integration, or the level of control involved. Perhaps it represents a human starship replacing the machine spirit with an actual, living being, rather than simply being the two (machine spirit and captain/princeps) working together. That would be more like a Dreadnought. The one caveat being that this doesn't quite mesh up with what we learn later, so...

if that were the case, it might be something like a scaled up dreadnought or like the Endeavour of Will. Rediscovering or experimenting with lost technology.. the Admech wouldn't like that! :P

Page 211
Runes flickered into life on the surface of the tube and scrolled down at the level of Volker’s eyes. Clearly visible from outside, the runes were not dissimilar to those that the Space Marines saw on their retinal displays when they wore their helmets. Volker’s head came slowly forward and his eyes followed the reams of text as his brain gradually merged with the primitive machine spirit heart of the Dread Argent.
Again, not unlike a Titan or Dreadnought.

Page 216
Taemar hit the floor next, landing on his back. His fusion pack buckled with the impact, spraying superheated gas in all directions and splitting the ceramite shell of his armour.
Fusion power source for marine backpack.

Page 216
The words arrived in Taemar’s mind at the same time as Brand’s staff thundered mercilessly into his fractured breastplate, blowing both it and the flesh beneath into pieces. Shards of armour and scorched meat rained for a brief moment, accompanied by the ozone stench of psychic discharge.

The Prognosticator remained vertical for a few seconds and then, as his body finally reacted to the shock of the impact and injury, collapsed on top of the ruptured corpse of the 127 Red Corsair. His hands released their grip on the force staff, but it remained standing proud, embedded in what remained of Taemar’s chest.
Force staff blows out the chest of a Power armoured Marine (albeit with severe damage to armour)

Page 217
"Volker is happening to it, brother-captain. He is... assimilating the system controls. Integrating himself into the ship’s consciousness. "
SUCCESSS!

Page 219
+++ You are not familiar. Leave me. +++
I know who I am and I know who I was. You and I are one. I will not leave. Do not fear me.
More feelings and images flashed before whatever it was that now passed as his consciousness. A peaceful coexistence with one other – the ship’s Navigator. The machine spirit of the vessel was truly afraid of this intruder. As such, the humanity remaining within Volker Straub softened in his approach.
Again the ship's machine spirit has a sentience.. and it apparently is conditioned to the same sort of obedience ot Chapter Cult that the serfs are. The ship can also bind (or it usually binds with) the Navigator. I'm a bit curious how what Volker is doing is different from the Navigator - either its the depth or level of integration (which carries some sort of benefit - better response time or coordination, perhaps?) or the fact it's a regular human rather than a specialized mutant psyker.

PAge 225
His adaptation to manipulating the ship’s systems was incredibly swift.
...
The ship itself had.

It was thinking autonomously.
Again this makes it sound like the machine spirit has been.. replaced. Which is more Dreadnought like than titan like (endeavour of will once again.)

Page 242
His armour was barely protecting him any longer. Several close-range bolter shots had soon reduced the ceramite shell to little more than a weight that pulled him down and was more of a hindrance than a help.
Power armour resilience to bolt fire.

Page 247
We were on the furthest reaches of the sector at the time your astropathic message was received, heading for home. Of course, we turned about and made for the Gildar system with all haste.
Given the 'hours' comment we can infer it would have taken less than a day to reach the Gildar system from the edges of the sector. Assuming 100 LY in 12 hours we get 73,000c. If it is 2 hours it is 438,000c.

Page 251
"He bears an inscription that we branded into his body. His whole being is a dedication to the Omnissiah. His connection with the Dread Argent is delicate and the wardings will protect him; help him find his way to True Oneness. The power of the machine lights up the runes. It is a most glorious state. "
That must have been the electoos. Basically a wired in ward.

Page 253
We are not dissimilar to a Dreadnought. A fusion of man and machine wrought by the hands and minds of the Chapter.
....
Of course, the basic methods he had employed did indeed draw comparisons to the technology used to inter a warrior in the sarcophagus of a Dreadnought. But in this instance, the joining of Volker and the Dread Argent was far more invasive and far more complex. When the integration was fully complete, the idea was simple. Lightning-fast reactions and orders that could be channelled directly to the machine spirit of the Dread Argent without the necessary intervention of third parties. Volker could command the ship to fire and as long as the guns were loaded and replenished, she would fire. He would be able to plot firing solutions by using the auguries as though they were extensions of his own senses.

When the full wiring grid was complete, he should be able to steer and turn the ship with far greater control and effectiveness than the helmsman could ever manage.
A dreadnought is perhaps a more apt analogy than a Titan, but the two aren't that vastly different (considering some Princeps inhabit some sort of sensory tanks and never emerge either...) So again the 'revolutionary' aspect of this is a bit hard to grasp, except perhaps in sense of scale, and as noted it's not unusual for people to bind (to some dgree) with the machine spirit of a starship. Does that mean the difference is degree as well as scale?

Page 269-270
"The warmth you feel is also in part due to a chemical reaction caused by the fluid we are using to maintain the biological remains of Volker. "
...
"By the minute, there is less and less remaining of Volker; at least in his original guise. His consciousness has connected with that of the ship’s far more swiftly than I anticipated. Already he has begun to gain mastery of the flight controls. The project has gone far beyond successful. You should be proud. "
Does tis mean true 'communion' withe the machine? His mind being completely imprinted/transferred intot he machine spirit? or is it just copying/imprinting the thoughts and memories into itself while the biological part slowly dies off/is destroyed in the process?

This also makes me think of Necron bio-transference. Which is supposed to be beyond (and evne abhorred) by the Techpriests/

Page 278
In-built sensors tracked the ionic particles in the air. An ability to predict meteorological conditions was often a massive advantage on any battlefield.
Huron has weather-tracking sensors.


Page 286
...The supply of analgesics and combat narcotics that his power armour would have fed him to counter the burning, ceaseless pounding of his injuries had been denied to him
Power armour combat drugs

Page 295
High calibre shells spewing from the gate turrets began tearing up the road ahead, gouging out fist-sized chunks of plascrete and occasionally thumping harmlessly from the heavy armoured exteriors of the siege tanks.
Effect of some kinds of shells from wall defenses. Don't seem to be quite anti-tank like battle cannon.

Page 299
He squeezed the trigger of his own bolter and the explosive shells slammed into his enemy’s chest, shattering the breastplate and sternum beneath. The Traitor Space Marine’s body convulsed in response to the impact and pitched forward.
Burst of bolt fire penetrates/pulverizes chest.

Page 300
He cast his gaze around, letting the sensors in his helmet do their job.
Helmet sensors

Page 302
Despite Matteus’s shot being perfectly on target, the first shell careened wildly to the side as though cast aside, tearing a chunk from the compound wall, while the second blew apart a cultist who stumbled fatally into its path. The third blasted a crater at Blackheart’s feet, but he didn’t even break his stride.

"Impossible," breathed Matteus. He had seen Prognosticators defend themselves on the field of battle in such a way, but Blackheart was no psyker.
Blackheart seems to be sorcerously shielded.

Page 312
The Primus-Phi facility was enormous, fully four kilometres from end to end and it would take some time to search every hall and every building.
Size of the refinery.

Page 325
It was the sound of a gravitic engine spooling up, the sound of Blackheart making his escape.
Maglev train that apparently uses a 'gravitic' engine. Is AG tied to EM/magnetism in some cases?

Page 325
He scanned the plaza quickly, drawing a hail of desultory fire from the Red Corsairs and then gestured to the largest mass of crates.
...
Barely a moment later, the barricade disintegrated in a white-hot flare of searing fire, leaving nothing but molten ruin in its wake. The Silver Skull with the plasma cannon lowered the smouldering weapon and Arrun surged past him, a feral cry roaring from his lips.
Plasma weapon blasting (I think) an astartes-sized hole trhough a plastek crate barricade

Page 325
Bolts ripped through the air around him, gouging fist-sized chunks from the fallen crates, peppering him with debris and shrapnel.
Bolt damage against those same crates.

Page 333
A further exchange of fire shredded the front wheel of his vehicle and burst his skull in a welter of gore. The headless corpse maintained its grip on the bike for a few seconds before it slackened ..
bolter headshot exploding, although we dont know how many shots did this.

Page 334
For good measure, one of the riders at the back turned to the unmoving body of the first biker and fired on him with the meltagun he carried. The battered ceramite armour explosively vaporised under the weapon’s fury and within scant seconds, all that remained of the rider were his melted gauntlets and a few other scraps of armour.
Meltagun explodes the aforementioned headless marine in a few seconds (Steam explosion?) At least partial melting as well, although the percentages (how much melted, how much vaped, and how much if any remained solid) are unknown and can affect the calc. Assuming total vaporization and ceramite totally (equal to silicon) we're talking maybe several GJ for a 300 kg Marine and armor. The marine inside the armour vaporizing would be several hundred MJ at least (100-150 kg at least) and the power armour melting (assuming ceramite again) could be a good 500+ MJ) As I said though it depends on percentages and this assumes complete melting/vaping/whatever. I actually suspect only a small amount of vaporization, but much (if not all) of the armour may have melted. It probably was a steam explosion type 'explosion' as well, rather than a HE like 'explosion' (EG not the efficient way)

Page 335
The first blast of the weapon ate through the thin exterior of the train with ease, leaving a gaping wound in its side. The second eliminated the three Red Corsairs who appeared in the gap before they could return fire.
Meltagun opens a hole nearly big enough for a space marine in the side of the train, and destroys 3 Corsairs in a single shot. Method of desturction unknown.

Page 342
Arrun’s visor focused totally and utterly on Huron Blackheart. Red cross-hairs targeted him and a hunger rose in his stomach.
Targeting sight again in a Astartes helmet.

Page 348
Behind him, his fusion pack hummed softly, occasionally changing pitch when he channelled extra power into his claws.
Silver skulls armour has a fusion source for its power, which is also linked to the claws.

Page 349
There were no fewer than twelve of them, each one wired to a silo or tank and would create an explosion powerful enough to level the refinery completely.
12 rigged to promethium tanks.to level a 4 km wide refinery. Assuming blast effects to 'level' it, we're talking 20 kilotons (or at least double digit kilotons total) That means each one is slightly under 2 kilotons, assuming zero overlap. Gives an idea of how much fuel the refinery is dealing with. We dont know how much (if any) the explosives contribute to it, but a fuel explosion is not quite a nuke, so this is probably a lower limit if anything.

Page 353
The milky fluid hit the Imperial aquila proudly adorning his breast plate and the acid that had been introduced from the Betcher’s gland almost instantly began eating into it. It would take time to melt through the plasteel and ceramite composite, but if he didn’t get it cleansed soon, it would be time enough to more than compromise his wargear.
Betcher's gland poison can damage power armour, or at least to hamper it, given time.

Page 356
With a series of blinks, Arrun transferred his core displays to the left eye and allowed his vision to re-adjust to the now monocular readout.
Power armour displays and other functions can be switched between one eye or another, especially in cases of optics damage.

Page 358
A steady hiss of gases escaped from the cracked fusion pack on his back.
I wonder if that is gas or fuel? :P Or magic plasma-like material!

Page 359
He was used to dealing with tense situations and so over the years had developed a mental partitioning process, discarding those thoughts and distractions that threatened his focus. By the accurate and careful calculations of his own internal cogitators, Correlan estimated that he had three point two minutes before the bomb in front of him detonated.
Techmarines (and techpriests) can partition their minds to segregate distractions and other thoughts if the task requires.

Page 361
With an inhuman roar, Blackheart met the attack with characteristic resilience. The tungsten teeth of the weapon bit determinedly into his armour and ceramite chips flew in all directions.
tungsten chainsword teeth

Page 361
Fire flaring from his palm, he unleashed a gout of hellfire that was hot enough to melt the joints of Nakos’s wargear as though they were nothing.
Huron's flamer is hot enough to melt the joints of the armour but little else it seems. Recall earlier it was implied that power armour might withstand cremation temps/energies too.

Page 368
Gunfire immediately crackled around him and solid rounds sparked from his armour and backpack noisily. His two companions followed close behind him, laying down a carpet of supporting fire as he made his way towards the enemy.
Silver skulls literally wading through a storm of gunfire to take on cultists close in.

Page 372
"Augur returns are negative. Residual life signs and energy signatures of the recently perished negligible. "
...
Captain Daviks had seemed quite sure that there had to be something out there, somewhere in the Rift. But despite their best efforts to find it, several sensor sweeps had revealed nothing at all.
...
"Run another series of scans again anyway "
They've done multiple scans of the system in some unknown period of time. If we determine the time, it might imply FTL scanning of some sort.

Page 373
Void servitors whose primary function was working on the exterior of the vessel swarmed across the surface of the Dread Argent like ants, working on repairing the worst of the damage caused to the strike cruiser during the raid.
Space-going servitors.

Page 374-375
"Augur returns are negative. Residual life signs and energy... "
...
"Dread Argent. Prepare for incoming. Thunderhawk transports are travelling up from the surface. I can give you no clue as to their bearing or heading. "
...
Even now, several hours after its inauguration, he didn’t know how to speak to it.
Augur returns scan the whole system again in the time the officer ordering it can engage in some contemplation (but is still awake, not sleepy or hungry, etc.) Indeed less than few hours to conduct at least 3 or more sensor sweeps of the whole system. And the Corsair thunderhawks would not take hours to reach orbit either. so we're definitely talking FTL scanning of some kind, at least across system distances

Page 376
"Five returns on auguries. Signatures concurrent with atmospheric or local support vessels. Breaking planetary exosphere. "
...
"Short-range systems…"

"Have already been brought on-line." The officer looked up at him. "Volker, sir. He’s already begun the subroutines and processes necessary to ensure that our weapons will be available as soon as we need them. "
Short range weapon systems. i'm guessing the poitn defense guns.

Page 376
We took the liberty of pre-empting our best defence strategy. Presently calculating optimum trajectories and extrapolating probable outcomes of further incursion.
volker seems to have some predictive skill in handling the weapons.. at least point defense guns.

Page 377-378
"We have been reading a broad spectrum of energy and radiation throughout the Gildar Rift since our arrival. It is an output that is totally anticipated from so many dead and dying ships. But there is a spot right… here… where those readings are starting to edge slowly upwards. "
...
"That’s virtually on top of us! "
...
It must have been there the entire time. Sitting there with its engines dead and blanking any signs of life. All through the battle, it had never registered any activity.
...
The ship peeled itself slowly and lazily away from the asteroid to which it had been anchored, righting itself and very evidently moving into position. So many times the sensor arrays had swept over it; nothing more than flotsam and jetsam space wreckage.
...
It had most likely been in the system for weeks.
Chaos ship remained totally hidden anchored to asteroid and powered down. That's some stealth. Later identified as a frigate.

Page 379
An agonised, terrible scream of pain resounded from every part of the Dread Argent. The scream eventually resolved into a babbling voice, a very human voice that was perhaps even more unsettling than the mechanical alternative.
...
It hurts! Throne of Terra! System damage is creating a feedback loop and my systems are translating it into pain! It is like I actually feel the ship’s pain! The void… it’s so cold! I feel its touch on my very skin…
A.. downside of the whole volker thing I guess. It registers weapons fire as pain. Honestly, this is something they SHOULD have anticipated. Titans suffer this, as do Dreadnoughts I think... so why wouldn't they know about this and warn of it? What's more why aren't there protective measures? Titans have them as do Dreadnoughts, otherwise you would think massed weapons fire would paralyze their nervous systems (or burn them out) without destroying them. Nevermind weapons designed to inflict pain specifically...it's also worth noting other cases where starships have people directly link in with the machien spirit (hell NAVIGATORS doing it) don't suffer this problem. maybe there's a reason why none of that is applicable in this case, but i don't really see it.

Page 382
The unnamed escort ship had formerly been part of an Imperial convoy. Due to a warp miscalculation, it had suffered the misfortune of straying into the Red Corsairs territory several weeks previously.
Recall earlier at the beginning of the novel I noted that something they couldn't find had entered the system.. a week and 2 days at least had passed, probably more like several days by this point. This means it took days, no longer than a week or two, for the ship to arrive in the Gildar Rift region (which is in a sector of space near to where the silver Skulls exist) from the Malestrom (Red Corsair territory), Judging by the 5th edition maps, we're talking a good 10-20 thousand LY distance from the Maelstrom (or that vicinty) to cross. EVen if the convoy was caught some distance out (and its unlikely that they routinely extend far beyond the Maelstrom) we're talking many thousands of light years at the absolute minimum in days or a few weeks.

Assuming 1 week to transit around 10K LY we're talking half a million c. And this is probably without a navigator, although it might involve daemonic travel. Assuming a few days at 20K LY we could be talking a good 2-3 million c or so. and if it was a couple weeks at a few thousand LY? 52,000c. Which is still well within speed limits. It's more impressive that it's a Chaos force using a captured Imperial ship doing it more than anything.

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Crewed entirely by Space Marines, there had been no need for life support systems and Valthex, Blackheart’s trusted Master of the Forge, had designed a device that had kept the ship effectively dispersing its own energy signature, giving it the impression of nothing more than background noise.
Explanation of the Frigate's stelath measures.

Page 383-384
"They’re surely not planning to enter the warp at this proximity, are they? "
...
With mounting horror, the officer realised that this was precisely what the Red Corsairs had in mind.
...
"Volker, do whatever you can to protect us. The moment that ship enters the warp, we’re going to get caught in the wake. "
...
It was without question both dangerous and foolhardy to open a gateway to the warp this close to a planet. Furthermore, so close to another ship and with all the debris that littered the Rift, opening a warp gate was going to be a risky move.
Warp entry close to the system to escape. again its possible but considreed risky. I imagine Huron's status as a Chaos Champion and leader, as well as deals he's made, is the only thing allowing him to do it. Warp 'wake' for translation is also dangerous to starships.

Page 384
As space itself began to buckle and bend, it was evident that it may yet cost them even more.
..
"The wreckage of the Rift will rip us apart. "
apparently this deep in-system, the warp translation will throw around or draw in lots of debris, which risks damaging/destroying the Strike cruiser. This could point out another danger of close 'in-system' translations - the warp portal interacts with (and is disrupted) more strongly by the greater gravity, which extends the range of this sort of influence. Whereas at the edge of the system (where gravity is weaker) that is less of an issue. I doubt most systems want warp portals that fuck with gravity like this.

Page 384-385
Give over full control of navigational systems to us. We are approximately two hundred per cent more efficient than your human crew and we can provide you with a far greater chance of survival.
The Starship-Dreadnought/Titan anlaogue is twice as effective as a human/servitor crew.

Page 385
The human brain, even one enhanced with the gift of Adeptus Astartes genetics, was not designed to withstand such a rush of data. He could feel himself drowning beneath the pressure of it all. It was too much. He could not cope. He was losing everything that he was. His mind was fracturing, breaking apart. Eventually, his mind would literally melt away, floating free from his body and there would be nothing left but a husk, floating in the tank.
I'll concede this is perhaps one reason why this was so extraordinary. A 5 km long starship is not the same thing as a 60 m tall titan, or a 5 m tall Dreadnought. Although as I said we've seen starships that the Captains are wired into as well, so it would have to be the scope of the vessel and the level of integration that make this so revoultionary.

Page 387-388
As the ship was sucked into the malevolent depths of the empyrean, a huge shock wave radiated out from the point of entry, its trajectory wild and unpredictable. It stirred up the debris field and turned it from a perilous series of obstacles into a relentless onslaught of wanton destruction. All souls aboard the Dread Argent were fully braced for impact, but the moment the shock wave struck, they were flung in all directions
The Warp translation. Again close to a planet this is a potential danger.

Page 389
Several of them had experienced rough landings; the planet’s meteorology having been upset by the Red Corsair’s proximal warp jump.
Warp jumps close to the planet fuck with the planet's climate and weather - another reason not to do it so close.,

Page 396
Physically, Naryn had noted that Porteus was in reasonable shape considering the trauma of close-range damage to his internal organs. Psychologically, however, the loss of his progenoid gland had left him bereft and with a tendency towards moping on his situation. Self-pity at its very worst. Whilst it was to be expected, could not be indulged any longer.

It was the loss of that progenoid gland that had flummoxed Naryn.
...
"He will most likely begin the process of shutting down. Without the Quintessence Sacred, without the gift of our forefathers and our ultimate progenitor, he is just a man. Large and strong, but just a man. He will fall prey to the ravages of time and he will eventually die. "
Interesting that it implies that without a progenoid the guy will be killed. It further implies that the progenoid is tied to the aging process in some manner - possibly what keeps them effectively ageless (or at least slows the aging.) Without it he ages normally.

The funny thing is - we've known Space Marines who have had their progenoids removed whilst still alive and this was never a problem mentioned, certianly not in this horrific context. So we're left to wonder why this is such a big deal here. Perhaps it is the maturation that matters? But then again why would the Corsairs have removed an immature Progenoid (nevermind that this guy isnt a new recruit near as I can tell..)

It's possible this is also just reflecting a gene-seed mutation specific to the Legion/Chapter itself. God knows taht there's infinite variety in Space Marine gene-seed as it is.

Page 403
There was a school of thought that believed Arrun’s work with the Dread Argent was tantamount to blasphemy and heresy of epic proportions. Wiring neural networks into servitors was not unheard of, but to take a fully functioning, non-lobotomised mind and connect it to something as valuable as a strike cruiser could be frowned upon and censure would be grave.
As I suspected the thing isn't unheard of but its probably considered heretical by the more puritanical aspects of the AdMech (meaning any techpriests assisting are more Radical than anything.) It does rather neatly show how politics and the Radical/Puritan divisions constantly warring affect things like tech development in the Imperium, and can reflect it's utter inconsistency, both in terms of kinds and rate of development (some techs progressing, some only moving slowly, while others might regress) and the inconsistent application of technology in temrs of locale and scope (some techs being more common in one place but not in others, or the manner in which techs advance or decline.)

Also again 'neural networks' are not uncommon in the Impeirum - I suspect this reeers to the artificially created 'robot/machine spirit' brains we hear about in the HEresy novels (made of bioplastics, like in First HEretic or Thousand Sons). It also suggests that some more 'self aware' servitors (like in the Ravneor novels and others where they speak and have some semblance of identiy) may be a result of the 'neural networks' tied into servitors.

It also suggests that it was known it was at least possible (or could be replicated) to wire a brain into a Strike Cruiser - as I've noted repeatedly, similar has been done on other starships if not to the same degree - but it is considered 'wrong'.

I will admit despite the fact i keep hammering the 'been done before' point home, I rather enjoyed the whole Volker subplot and the way it played into the book as a whole. It was something that tried to be different and distinctive and a big 'Fuck you' to the 'ignorance and superstition' grimdark. With me that can forgive quite a bit.

Page 406
"They would be mongrels. Made from disparate body parts that you harvest on the battlefield? There would be no telling what abomination you would forge. You would need the talents of the greatest Apothe... "
This suggests (as well as the extended convo) that they intend to create Red Corsairs by implanting a mishmash of implants and organs and such harvested from Marines of all different chapters. There is evidently some difficulty in getting this all to mesh together, but it's at least considered possible. it would also, I suspect mean the Red Corsairs apothecaries have quite a good bit of knowledge about the internal workings and quirks of a great many different kinds of gene-seed.
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My good Connor, how do you cope?

Battle of the Fang, continued.

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'Freija, my daughter,' said Morek. He came up to her and put his hands firmly on her shoulders. 'Be careful this time. Think about how you act, think about what you say. They've been patient with you because of me, but it won't last forever.'
She almost shook him off. She hated his lectures, just as she hated his blind faith in his masters. He worshipped them, even though he knew that they'd all been mortal once. The Sky Warriors barely knew mortals such as he and she existed, even though without the loyal service of the Aettguard they'd be unable to keep even half of the Fang's huge maze of chambers operational.
It would seem the Space Wolves aren't universally popular with their subordinates. Morek is a 'rivenmaster', in charge of 500 kaerls, and Freija is a kaerl herself. She resents the Space Wolves for their apparent lack of empathy with their baseline human followers, while Morek reveres them for their unbelievable power while failing (or refusing) to acknowledge their humanity and/or their mortality.

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Among them were the much larger hlaupa-class escorts, heavily armed variants of the Imperial Navy's Cobra destroyers. Vessels of such side would not normally have been able to dock within a planetary atmosphere, but the sheer altitude of the Valgard landing stages made it possible for them to make planetfall on Fenris. Twelve of them had left already, and the fabled hangars were emptying swiftly. Only seven days had passed since Kjarlskar's discovery on Gangava and already the fleet muster was drawing near to completion.
The Space Wolves call their Cobra class escorts by a different name. We also have another mention of the Fang reaching to an unbelievably high altitude. Also, the Space Wolves were able to assemble the bulk of their fleet in seven days. Some of these ships are mentioned as having been recalled from long range duty only days before. This implies that the Space Wolf fleet engages in patrols over distances of several days from their home system.

Page 48
Fifty metres behind her loomed the Nauro itself, sitting on the hangar apron and steaming gently. It dind't look like any of the other vessels waiting on the plascrete. It was jet-black, untouched b the gunmetal grey that coloured the rest of the fleet. It's classifiation was uncertain - too small to be a frigate, far too big to count as a transatmospheric aircraft, and just under five hundred crew. It sat low against the ground, narrow, and unusually slender. Nearly a third of its length was taken up by plasma drives, a ratio that made it colossally fast. Which was exactly why Gylfasson liked it.
The Nauro is a scout ship of some kind, smaller than a frigate and larger than transatmospheric vehicles. The largest example I can think of for the latter is the Fury interceptor, at 60 metres long IIRC. It's described as being 'far too big' for this classification, so I'm thinking somewhere in the region of hundreds of metres in length. The 1/3 figure for engines has appeared before.

Page 62
The Thousand Sons flotilla flagship Herumon began to slow, making ready to break the seal between the warp and the materium. All around it, the rest of fleet matched pace, fifty-four blue and gold warships and troop carriers, grinding down to translation speed.
The Thousand Sons were able to pull together 54 warships and transports. They really must have fallen on hard times, unless they really didn't get their pre-Heresy warships back (a la the Blood Ravens = Thousand Sons successors theory).

Page 63
The speaker was a shaven-headed crewman with heavy kohl around his eyes. He wore the robes of a senior watch officer, and must have served in the fleet for many years. Most of the mortal crew were much more recently drafted, products of a long programme of cult-planting on a hundred Imperial worlds.
The Thousand Sons indeed have a cult network, though a hundred planets isn't much in the greater scheme of things if taken literally. Then again, this might be sufficient for their needs while being small enough to stay off the wrong radars.

Page 64
'You want to give them time to prepare?' The Pyrae shook his armoured head. 'Remember how our orbital stations were taken down? In seconds. That's the way to burn a world.'


Aphael insists on coming in hard to take the Space Wolves' defences by surprise. His mention of the Prospero orbital defences being taken down in seconds must be qualified with a reminder that, according to 'A Thousand Sons', Magnus deliberately blinded the Prospero defences with his powers. Aphael may or may not be aware of this fact.

Page 66
Adaman Earfeil's last day alive did not start well. Few of the astropaths manning the communciations spire of the Valguard were Fenris-born, which made him only one of a dozen or so off-worlders on the entire planet. His native subordinates were rude, malodorous, and given to making foul-mouthed jokes about his witchery. They didn't like the use of psyker powers, even though their own bone-rattlers leaked enough aether-born power to level a manufactorium. Even after forty years service, he still hadn't thrown off the ways of his home world, the hive-planet Anrada.


Here's one of the major bones of contention between the Space Wolves and the Thousand Sons, plus an indication of some of the former's attitudes. The Space Wolves insist that their native magical tradition (Rune Priests etc) having nothing to do with the Warp, and that all others are Chaos-tainted and suspect. The Thousand Sons insisted that SW Rune Priests were psykers no different from themselves, and here we have confirmation from an Imperial astropath. Also, said astropath has been in service for forty years, implying that the shortening of life-spans is either not all that bad or dependent on workload. His Fenris-born superintendant, Fror, is described as being over two-hundred years old and a 'senile old goat'.

Page 70
The eye didn't waver, but piled on more agony. It was then that Earfeil knew that it was doing the same to all the astropaths. That should have been impossible - there were wards against infiltration and the psykers were all soul-bound. This thing was tearing them apart as if the protection didn't exist.
He juddered in his throne, feeling awareness leave him. His nerves were burned away, giving some release from the pain.
This will isolate us, he thought as he fell towards death. It wants us mute.
That was the penultimate thought Adaman Earfeil ever had. THe last one came hard on its heels.
And whatever it is, he reaised, his burned body spasming in excruciation, it's just like the Emperor.


Some psychic warfare by the Thousand Sons, burning out Fenris' astropaths to prevent them calling for help. We also have mention of defences against this, including psychic wards and the soulbinding itself. Perhaps the most telling part his Earfeil likening his assailant to the Emperor, strongly implying that Magnus himself is doing the deed. His knowledge and understanding of psychic ability was greatest out of all of the Primarchs even before the fall of Prospero, and even without that he would probably have the raw power to burn through the defences in any case. There are other fluff mentions of this happening during Tyranid or very large-scale Chaos attacks, but Earfeil's claim that it is impossible suggests that such incidents are relatively rare.

As a minor point, that Magnus seems like the Emperor to Earfeil implies to me that his essential nature has remained unchanged. It is my theory that Magnus is not a Daemon Prince as such, at least not at this point, but merely shed (or lost) his body while transporting his surviving followers from Prospero to the Planet of Sorcerors. More on this later.

More to come.
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Regarding the harvesting of geneseed, here's a plausible argument. Assuming that each of the implant releases gamete cells(odd, but that's how the WD article describes them,organs as zygotes, which bring up the disturbing image of creatures living in a symbiotic relationship with humans.), the geneseed acts as a reservoir which collects and nurtures each implant seed.

When harvested, these zygotes are then cultured in vivo until they're fit for implantation. Leaving them longer in the host body would thus allow each progenoid organ to have more embryoes that could be cultured later, giving each geneseed a longer lifespan of use.

It explains some of the odd terminology used in the WD article and why geneseed have a limited lifespan. Its clear that they aren't one for one, because that would indicate that each Chapter would find it impossible to recover from severe losses.
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I was under the impression that a geneseed would grow and develop a second geneseed inside the Space Marine, so that they would have a slow rate of growth in numbers that would counteract such bad things as Marines being completely plasma-vaporized and leaving no geneseed, bodies not being recovered, etc etc...
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There are two progenoid glands inside a Space Marine. One is harvested after 5 years and is routinely done so during the Initates. The second...... Well, the Apothecary seems to routinely harvest the second during combat operations, even though there really isn't any fluff reason why it couldn't be harvested after remainding ten years in the Space Marine.
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PainRack wrote:There are two progenoid glands inside a Space Marine. One is harvested after 5 years and is routinely done so during the Initates. The second...... Well, the Apothecary seems to routinely harvest the second during combat operations, even though there really isn't any fluff reason why it couldn't be harvested after remainding ten years in the Space Marine.
Official reason is some crazy genetic memory thing.. the thorax progenoid actually somehow absorbs and carries a portion of the skills and experience of the Space Marine that had it, which is why the lineage of a warrior has some significance.

Other than that, I'd surmise it possibly still has a role in the maintenance of all the other implants and genetic modifications even after puberty. Thus, it's only removed when the Astartes no longer needs it (imminent death).
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And.. back to SMB with Legion of the Damned. Not a bad novel really. Probably Rob Sander's best work so far (even if it is Space Marine) - can't really decide whether I like this or Atlas Infernal more. Atlas Infernal was more fun/silly in feeling, kind of a Radical Inquisitor romp, whilst LoTD is more serious, but it also has a more compelling pace pushing to the end. Premise is the Excoriators chapter who are, despite the title, the main Astartes for the bulk of the book. Deals with a unpopular Astartes who is put in command of a depleted company, and who must balance the needs of the Chapter/Company (Honour and survival) against his perception of his duties and honour to the Imperium/Emperor. All the while he's plagued by visions of the Legion (though he doesn't know that) and ultimately must face down an incoming Khornate rampage. Opening also shows us the Feast of Blades, which for me was damn slow and boring and pretty much unimportant to the rest of the book as far as I think but, eh.

Also notable in having the first novel where the Sisters of Battle don't come off as complete and utter assholes, which puts him one up on Zou in this regard. Also the Excoriators just have this whole 'Ian Watson' Imperial Fists vibe to them with their emphasis on mortiifcaiton and pain and Dorn and such. Which is not neccesarily bad. Weird, but not bad.

Page 10
Population at last Administratum census estimated at one million Imperial souls.
Population of one of those shrine/grave worlds the Imperium maintains. also the Administratum running actual censuses

Page 11
"Sir, the Providence reports that a large vessel has just translated in-system."
"Markings and registration?"
"Still collating that information, sir. I can tell you that it has achieved high orbit."
"Probably a Ministorum heavy transport, bringing in penitents and frater labour from Bona Phidia. Get a visual. Keep me informed. Quast out."
Even allowing for a liberal interpretation of high orbit (100+ thousand km away) we're looking at insanely close ranges - it should not be normal for Imperial ships to emerge this close to a planet without risks (Orks doing it in Rynn's world, and the Inquisition's top end vessels coming out 2.3 million km away.) This is yet another one of those rare cases. Perhaps conditions were right to allow it, or orbital positions permitted a closer entry, but it's probably not typical.
Still it's useful for indicating it is at least POSSIBLE to achieve such orbits from the warp, if the right conditions prevail, and it doesnt require special tech to do so neccesarily.

Page 13
...the pontifex was boldly heralding Umberto II’s sacred remains as responsible for the halting of the Cholercaust Blood Crusade.
The investigation of such assertions was well within the remit of the Ordo Obsoletus, but information already in Quast’s possession made him question such a possibility – that and the fire behind the pontifex’s eyes. Clemenz-Krycek was already mooting recommendations for Umberto II’s veneration to the rank of Imperial Saint – a call that, if approved by the High Ecclesiarch, would undoubtedly improve the pontifex’s own prospects in the ranks of the Adeptus Ministorum.
...
What he had learned aboard the Ordo Obsoletus Black Ship Providence, however, was too important to leave to another. If he had found evidence of an authentic miracle – an event beyond human phenomena, alien curiosity or the pollution of Chaos – then it was his solemn duty to ask challenging questions and hunt for elusive answers. Answers his venerable master, Inquisitor Ehrensperger, had charged him to find.
An Inquisitorial Order dedicated to hunting down and recording genuine miracles. Whether this has some greater motive (akin to the Thorians and such) or if its just something minor we don't know. I'll give Sanders credit for this much, its pretty original by 40K standards and a bit quirky.

Page 16
Fear clouded his mind and all he could do was gawp as the possessed witch hissed and came in so close as to touch her bloody forehead to his own.
There was a flash. The furious face suddenly disappeared. Snapped out of view. Blasted away. Quast stood, blinking. His face was speckled with the witch’s blood and his laspistol still felt a world away. Turning, the approbator saw the reinforcements that the sergeant had called for. Storm trooper sharpshooters, swiftly descended from the Valkyrie transport, with hellguns to chins and scopes to visors. They had executed the psyker from some distance away with a cool nerve, precision marksmanship and supercharged las-fire.
...
The sergeant was suddenly beside him, his boot on the witch’s ribcage and his hellpistol pointed at what was left of her head. The storm trooper put three more blasts into the creature before he was satisfied.
Multiple hellgun rounds blow apart or disintegrate cultist's head. It's not necesarily super enegetic - single digit kj could cover it, but we dont know how many rounds or the damage mechanism, aside from it does not seem very explosive. Given the penetrating power of hellguns it may be one of those lasweapons designed to drill a hole straight through a target. It probably isn' tthermal, since there was blood involved, but any explosive effects would also have been minimal. Likely the head was torn apart from having so many closely spaced rounds hitting it in such a short span of time, each taking its own chunk out.
We dont know how far away they were, but the main thing of interest is the accuracy involved. The Stromtroopers took her down with a headshot, on the move, with the guy they're supposed to protect almost nose to nose with the target.
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Celestial cartographers believed it to be the Keeler Comet, a long-period body with a highly eccentric orbit, recorded to have passed through both Segmentum Obscurus and Segmentum Solar nearly ten thousand years before. Euphrati Keeler, the remembrancer of great antiquity, immortalised the comet over El’Phanor in The Ancient Traveller, a pict rumoured to hang in the Imperial Palace and reproduced across the Imperium.
An interesting way to throw in Horus Heresy era tidbits I think, I rather like it. also Keeler's work is still known and published throughout the Imperium, showing that some things can exist on a 'intergalactic' sort of scale.

Page 22
"The Ordo Obsoletus?"
"We are an ordo minoris, my lord."
The Ordo is one of the minor ones.. like Sicarus or Chronos or such.

Page 25
"The Fifth Company did request reinforcement but had little expectation of its arrival,’ Quast blurted. The Chaplain snarled and leaning down tore the scroll from the approbator’s fingers. As the Excoriator read, Quast climbed awkwardly to his feet and brushed gore from his robes. ‘They sent long-range astrotelepathic requests to the Viper Legion at Hellionii Reticuli, Second Company Novamarines stationed at Belis Quora and the Angels Eradicant at Port Kreel. They even sent to the Vanaheim Cordon, in full knowledge of its futility. That the Imperial Fists, the Exorcists and the Grey Knights stationed there would not leave the line of defence for fear that the Keeler Comet and trailing Cholercaust might resume its progress on towards Ancient Terra. The Adeptus Astartes wouldn’t leave Terra open to attack to help defend a tiny Ecclesiarchy cemetery world. Their allegiance is to the living, not the dead. The Cerberus set out from your home world of Eschara and no astrotelepathic transmission was sent there. You are too distant a prospect, given the time constraints of the Cholercaust’s arrival"
...
“My Lord Ehrensperger maintains a choir of powerful astropaths aboard his personal Black Ship. They have instructions to listen for telepathic messages and to scan those communiqués for motifs relating to the Ordo Obsoletus’s work.”
...
“Your inquisitor lord roams the galaxy, eavesdropping on the communications of others?”
Implied long range (Galactic) monitoring of astrotelepathic message traffic by the Inquisition by a single Inquisitor in a single region. It implies fairly short transit times for most messages, although the scope of such an endeavour is.. interesting to contemplate. I wonder how many astropaths he has?
It also says something about the content/structure of such messages as well.
Its a shame we dont know where these locations are, we might be able to put together soms ort of transit times.

Page 26-27
”Our choir intercepted a psychic distress signal in an Adeptus Astartes code, relayed through the Stroika-Six Observium Array but originating from this very world.”
...
“The message transcript in your hand contains a report of planetary invasion and a request for reinforcement, followed by a direct appeal to the God-Emperor of Mankind for assistance. For intervention. For a miracle.”
...
“A prayer,” Quast echoed. “My master reached the same conclusion. Until I showed him the intended destination of the message.”
Balshazar located the astrotelepathic terminus on the crumpled vellum. “Ancient Terra…”
Quast nodded. “The Excoriators did not prevail on Certus-Minor. They are all dead. Yet the Cholercaust was defeated. I do not know what happened here. What I do know is that one of your Librarians made a direct appeal to Holy Terra, to the God-Emperor of Mankind for a miracle, and that appeal seems to have been answered.”
The plot thickens as we learn an astrotelepathic ‘prayer’ was sent to Terra. Not the first time something like that has happened or a ‘miracle’ occurs, so its quite plausible.
Also, I have to admit, the angle of ‘miracles’ and prayers and such is a rather intriguing one for me, especially ina ‘Space Marine Battles’ book.

Page 40-41
"We are pure of hearts but not of blood. As part of a former Legion and now as a Chapter, we are not alone in our experience of genetic deficiency. The Wolves and the Angels, as well as the brethren of future Foundings, carry the flaws of their blood heritage on to new generations," the Excoriators Apothecary explained. "When the Darkness takes one of our number, it might appear to us a wretched palsy: the slackness of the jaw, the tremor of the limb, the blankness of the eye. But those who survive it report the experience as a living nightmare, a sleeping wakefulness in which they relive the bottomless woe of Dorn’s most trying time – the grievous loss of our Father-Emperor, at least as we knew him. This is both our father’s genetic blessing and his curse to his sons. To know the possibility – for even a second – of an Imperium without the Emperor. To feel what Dorn felt. The profound misery of a primarch. The paralysing fear that even one as great as he experienced, for himself and for humanity, over the Emperor’s shattered body. To live the Darkness."
The 'Darkness'. A Dorn-specific 'curse' in the same vein as the Black Rage/REd Thirst and the Wulfen and related shit. RAther interesting that this is the first time we've heard of it, or seen it specifically mentioned in an Imperial Fists descended Chapter, but it does sort of fit with the old 'Ian Watson' view on things, so maybe it is an inherent flaw and only afflicts the chapters to differng degrees.

Page 41
"The catalepsean node is located here on the brain stem. As the implant responsible for modifying the circadian rhythms – our patterns of sleep and elongated periods of consciousness – it seems possible that a malfunctioning node could be responsible for a loss of motor control and the experience of a “living nightmare”. I plan to drill through the bone and insert a hypodermic lightning rod into the brain. There I shall issue a localised shock to the catalepsean node, hopefully interrupting the affliction of the Darkness and reinstating the natural function of the implant."
"Sounds painful."
"Undoubtedly."
Sounds like a form of shock therapy or something to that effect.

Page 43
Excoriators all took their purification across their broad, muscular backs – as part of the ritual they called ‘Donning Dorn’s Mantle’. Beyond basic servitude to the Scourge, the three serfs were charged – by Kersh himself above all else – to excoriate his flesh and purify him of weakness so that he might achieve endorphic communion with the primarch.
Another pain-based ritual, not unlike the ritual branding practiced by chapters like the Salamanders.

Page 44
Locking off the drill, one of the aides depressed a plunger on a power cell situated between the legs of the tripod. The other wrapped himself around an underslung buttstock and trigger arrangement hanging beneath the drill.
"Charging. Six megathule range."
...
"Pray to Dorn and deliver the charge."
A faint hum indicated the duration of the treatment.
This would seem to suggest 'megathule' is a measure of electrical charge, like voltage. Probably not a great surprise. The definition of the charge/power packs for lasguns (like in the upliftimg primer) imply that megathules has some relation to its charge level.
What the voltage is, of course, is another story. What is described seems to be quite similar to Electroshock therapy although whether theyre using a 'human' voltage (or close to human maximums) or whether its more to acocunt for superhuman biology is a complete unknown. Assuming that it IS voltage, and that the voltage is comparable to shock therapy, we're looking at tens or more probably hundreds of volts.
In terms of a lasgun (19 megathule variety) the voltage (ont he pack at least, if not the gun) would be a little over 3x greater (several hundred to several thousand volts.) Again how that applies in context to the actual weapon is up for debate as well. If the amps are roughly similar we might be looking at 'hundreds' to a few thousand watts..the high end might fit with lasgun power but its debatable whether the low end would.
If we applied the voltage to amp/hour values for batteries the results are a bit more interesting. We know (for example) from FFG material that batteries recharge in several hours. Assuming that we're talking 1 amp over that period (A cell phone battery is usually rated around 1000 millamp-hours) and we take a voltage of between 224 and 1,440 (70-450 volts x ~3.2) the energy content of or hypothetical battery would be between 1.6 and 10.4 MJ. Which is high, but is within the order of magntiude based on other accounts. If we use a much smaller amperage (like what is based off the machine, which can range from 200-1600 milliamps) you get 45 watts to 2.3 kw - you get 324 kj to over 16 MJ for battery capacity.
Overall, saying that lasgun 'battery' output seems to be within the magnitude of single digit MJ (hundreds of kj to several tens of MJ) would seem a viable range.

Page 45
He was as naked as the day he was initiated, five hundred and fifty-two years before...
The age of the Scourge. Whether that includes some sort of 'dormant' state we don't know, but there's apparently some contemporaries of his still around so it might not affect the age much.

Page 52
"How long?"
"Weeks. Perhaps years. In truth we do not know."
...
"They have been despatched to every known death world in the segmentum. "
Their chapter master is poisoned by the Alpha Legion and they are searching the segmentum apparently for the cure. Implies they can cross the semgentum (and back) in weeks or years.
Assuming at least 2 weeks but fewer than 10 years, we could get as little as thousands of c (for close to a decade) to 250-500,000c for 2 weeks (assuming a 10-20K LY distance covered. If this were in segmentum ultima, which is far bigger than any other sector, that distance/time would be considerably greater.) Context wise it seems to suggest weeks or months more like than years.
Page 71-72
The Fire Lord’s breath was a chemicular wheeze. It was as though the Space Marine had been swilling promethium. The blade fell a little further and Kersh’s eyes widened. Raw effort had drawn the Fire Lord’s lips back in an ugly snarl. Instead of the perfect teeth of an Angel, the Scourge found himself staring at a maw of flint. The teeth had been replaced with shards of razor-sharp stone, each with the appearance of a primitive arrowhead or spear tip. Biting down, the Fire Lord’s clenched jaws sparked. The Chaplain hissed through his teeth, sending a gout of flame at the Excoriator’s face.
The Fire Lords Chapter. They can Breathe flames.
Page 96
The Scarifica’s journey to Eschara was a circuitous one, returning battle-brother after participating battle-brother to their far-flung companies and Chapter houses across the coreward expanse of the segmentum. Each veteran of the Feast was returned to their corpus-captain in a small but significant ceremony, attended by battle-brothers of their company, senior officers, contestants and Gideon himself.
Frigate travelling on an circuitous route across the Segmentum.

Page 110-111
I cannot tell whether it is simply the ether-draught of different vessels or the styles of the Navigators piloting them, but this warp jump feels different. I have never had an appetite for warp travel but had just got used to the Scarifica’s smooth passages and the slim frigate’s knife-like dimensional shifts. The strike cruiser, by comparison, is a blunt-nosed beast that bulldozes its way through the currents of the empyrean. The Angelica Mortis’s Navigator – who I have not yet had the pleasure of meeting – goes about his translation like a Land Raider ramming through a blast door. I can feel the vessel below me, smashing through the troughs and prevailing drifts rather than riding them like the Scarifica had done.
Implies that starships shape/mass has an impact on their abilities ot transit the warp, at least between capital ships and escorts.

Page 115
"Warp translation was successful"
...
"We are approaching from the edge of the system at quarter sub-light speed."
"Why the hesitant approach? Were not my orders to reach the cardinal world at best possible speed?"
"That is the best possible speed," Bartimeus snapped back. "The system is crowded with Adeptus Ministorum craft and the like on similar approaches."
IImplies they are travelling insystem at 1/4 their 'best possible speed'
'quarter sublight' is an interesting phrase. It could mean 'quarter of the speed of light' or 'quarter of maximum speed'" The latter could be fairly fast or very slow depending on what you define top speed for a ship as - the Sabbat Martyr and similar examples (3/4 the speed of light) would imply something a bit under 1/5 or 1/6 the speed of light, whilst a slower speed (say 1% of c, as hinted at for some ships in Space Fleet) woudl suggest 750 km/s.
Page 123
Below, the planet surface was a stake trap of steeple-colossi, lofty towers and hive-shrine spires.
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Carved from the frost-shattered peaks of the Vatic Heights was St Ethalberg’s administrative and episcopal capital. Here the monstrous pinnacles of the Palace Euphorica breached the clouds, the palace in turn nestling like a behemoth amongst the dark and forbidding sprawl of the grand cathedrals
Size of the capitol and main church. Basically built into a mountain, and matching if not exceeding the sizes of the hives on the planet.

Page 124
It was from the daunting heights of the Palace Euphorica that the Ecclesiarchy provided spiritual guidance for the billions of pious St Ethalbergers below and for trillions more beyond the cardinal world and across the subsector. Highest of all was the bulbous tower known as the Pulpit, containing both the cardinal’s throne room and an Adepta Sororitas Preceptory.
Trillions of people in a subsector, and a subsector holding at least one Preceptory. We know from FFG and other sources there are thousands of sectors and tens of thousands of subsectors in the Imperiium. (Hell there are thousands of sectors per segmentum) - possibly hundreds of thousands of subsectors even, which is like 40 quadrillion people estimated if we use thta as a benchmark for the Imperium as a whole (20K subsectors and 2 trillion people per.)
I'd assume the preceptory has between 200-1000 (based on numbers between preceptory and commandery) although this might be in error, it suggests there's perhaps millions/tens of millions of sisters if we scale up to the Imperium as a whole (tens of thousands of subsectors) Even if they just have a couple of squads for the whole subsector (doubtful)

Page 124
Silas Keturah and his neophytes were all clad in their ceremonial carapace and dark, hooded cloaks, which streamed behind them in the relentless gales. They clutched slender sniper rifles to their chests. Each trailed a clutch of neat cables that disappeared beneath their mantles as well as large magnocular sights, laser guidance and long barrels terminating in a chunky muzzle, decorated with a fluttering Chapter pennant.
Scout weapons and their targeting gear.
Page 126
The desiccated husk who sat upon the throne was buried in a mitre and the heavy robes of his calling. A mind of mulch, within the wasted body of an ancient, Cardinal Bonifacius Pontian occasionally dribbled recitations or befuddled prayers to the gathering.
At first Kersh took Pontian to be the source of the chamber’s crisp stench. The cardinal had probably been quietly rotting away on the throne for the best part of a half-millennium.
The Cardinal is 500 years old, although the 'life' that represents is one of dubious value, obviously.
Page 129
"The cardinal world is granted succouricance rites for their role in the prayer-suppression of the daemon Chorozramodeus. These are guaranteed through the Conclave Suspiria and the Decree Vinculum, sworn on the bones of Constantine of Alamar. These rites extend through the unhonoured obligations of the Relictors, an existing accord between Chapter Masters Bardane and Abadiah – and through Abadiah, Master Ichabod. The rights also extend through the reassignment of the Aquinas and Ptolemy subsector boundaries. "
A whole buttload of legalese, but I gather that it grants a pledge of assistance (or a favor) to the Ecclesiarchy for past services rendered to the AStartes. I'm guessing its more for the Praeses as a whole (which the Excoriators are part of) given that it seems to be tied to the RElictors (who are/were another Praeses group until they were declared heretics. This novel must take place before then.)

page 130
A thud-whoosh reverberated about the chamber. Headless bodies crashed to the cathedral floor in unison.
...
Squad Whip Keturah and his Scouts had all long secreted themselves, peeling off one by one unnoticed to take concealed positions about the colossal chamber. They had attached sonic-suppressors and set their rifles to non-visible wavelengths.
Scout Sniper rifles. They seem to be lasguns, given the 'non visible wavelength', and they're headshotting the (unarmoured) Fraters, suggsting at least single or double digit kj depending on the scale and extent of destruction And the mechanism (purely mechanical, purely thermal, or a hybrid of the two?)
Also they seem to be able to fire invisible, silent beams. We know this is possible from the FFG/Rogue trader materials (Hostile Acquisitions) The reason why it is not done more often is that it costs the rifle something in penetration and damage to go nonvisible like that, so these rifles are actually at reduced performance. They probably also aren't using hotshot packs, givne the multiple shots.

Page 131
... finding the broad blade of a ceremonial kris come to rest beneath his wrinkled chin. A helmeted Sister Superior stood behind the confessor.
..
Kersh announced calmly. "There are heretics in our midst. Do your duty, Sister."
...
The battle-sister hesitated long enough to demonstrate that the Excoriator’s words were encouragement rather than instruction. Then she slit the confessor’s throat, spraying Nazimir with blood, and allowed Tyutchev’s body to fall with his Redemptionists.
...
Chaplain Shadrath gave the fool ecclesiarchs the horror of his half-skull helmet. "The Adeptus Ministorum is forbidden to keep men under arms," he hissed, "by order of the High Lords of Terra. You have broken the Decree Passive – a violation punishable by death."
Sanders has used Sisters of Battle in all three of his present novels (Atlas Infernla, Redemption Corps, and now this one) and this is by far the least annoying since they aren't acting as the mindless arms of the Ecclesiarchy. Indeed, Sanders actually impresses me as being one of those authros who remembers that the Sisters don't just serve the fucking priests, they act as their watchdogs and (if need be) Executioners. So this actually stands as one of the better depictions of the Sororitas. We'll see if he can keep it up.
Also the notion that the Redemptionists might be seen as heretical and 'illegal' because they violate the Decree Passive makes quite a bit of sense, and goes a long way to explaining why in many sources (like Necromunda) they were a reviled, underground cult. Basically they're extreme militants (even by the standards of the Imperial Church) and their militancy exceeds the limits of the Decree.
Page 131
.. the Ethalberg Inclement Reserves in their threadbare furs and cheap flak.
The Cardinal world doesn't seem to have very high quality PDF. They're also armed with something called 'lasfusils' which seems to be designed to add 'archaic' to the design like a laslock.
Given what happened to the redemptionists and the fact this is a CArdinal world, one has to wonder where CArdinal/shrine world PDFs fit into the Decree Passive. They obviosuly can't rely on Sisters to provide protection to EVERY planet - at least not in great numbers - and like any world in the Imperium they ought to have a defence force as well as some naval ships and enforcers. But they would also be technically under the command of the Ecclesiarchy, who are in charge of such worlds even if there is a separate Imperial commander offically.
Possibly what qualifies as a PDF on Ecclesairchy worlds are actually just Fraters, given their shitty quality. Of course since some sources like Esienhorn mention Frater starships too...
Page 132
"I hear enough of this God-Emperor from my Librarian,' Kersh told them. "The love of our Emperor?" Kersh marvelled. "You think yourself worthy of that?" Nazimir fell to his arthritic knees. "You think you can earn his love through your worthless words? Your hives and palaces of soulless devotion? Your veneration of an empty idea? I feel the love of my father, as he felt the love of his. This flesh – these hearts – were made to feel. His blood courses through my veins. His loss lives on behind these eyes. He is more than man, but he is not a god. It is your fear that casts him as such. You are weak and foolish, and in your billions need him to be more than he is. But you are wrong, mortal. He is more than man for not being some all-powerful deity. His deeds are his own and we aspire to his greatness – not appropriate it, mythologise it and worship it as a shield against a galaxy of petty doubt, dread and pain. For his love I would do anything. I would obliterate this palace from orbit, for example."
For all him being something of a brutal asshole up to this point, I'll amdit Kersh has just earned a great deal of admiration from me for this and for his slapping down of the damn pompous priests.
Also he threatens to blast the (mountain-sized? Hive sized?) palace from orbit.

Page 132
"But I won’t." Kersh said finally. "I will not destroy a world on a technicality."
Apparently destroying the palace from orbit would also fuck up the planet, however that works.

Page 133
"We despatched the cloister-corvette Seraphic Dawn to investigate these mysteries.."
Again the Ministorum has some starships.. at least small ones.

Page 133
"The statues of the Notre Dumas shrineworld bleed for the ungovernable atrocities committed there. Our sister cardinal world of St. Faustina is in uproar..."
...
"The sanctuary worlds of Frau Mauro and Benedictus Secundus suffer blood cults and outbreaks of vampiric contagion. We have also lost contact with the Preceptor retreats on Caritas Minoris, Boltoph’s World and VII-Solace-Sixteen.."
Along with at least one cemetary world, this rperesnets the subsector ministorum worlds and their types (Shrine, Cardinal, and sanctuary worlds, as well as preceptor retreats.) at least 9. Given tens of thousands of sectors in the Imperium we're probably talking hundreds of thousands of Ministorum-controlled planets. I'd imagine the other ADeptus would control similar amounts of territory (AdMech, the Guard and Munitorum, the Administrautm, the Navy, etc.)

Page 137
"If you or your mongrel priests ever attempt to issue ultimatums to me or my brothers again, you will hear my own, issued in the thunder of my bombardment cannon, as I wipe you and your palace from the face of this world with one righteous strike.’"
A single strike from the stirke cruiser can wipe out the palace. Whether it means simply destroying the palace or actually fucking up the world as noted before, I'll leave up for debate. Eitehr way given what we're told that's a shitload of firepower :)

Page 141
Like the House internuncia who attended upon the Navigator in their claret hoods and robes, Arkylas was blind. The seeing were not tolerated within the chamber. With the Navigator’s warp eye open, exposing all in the Empyredrome to its lethal gaze, only those who had had their eyes removed were truly safe.
Blindness is a protection against hte Navigator's eye.

Page 144
The Navigator had observed hundreds of vessels on their voyage seemingly lose their nerve and run before the gargantuan swell. Zaragoza had commented to Bartimeus, however, that such numbers and configurations appeared to him more like disbanded patterns of planetary evacuation than flotillas and convoys directed from their courses.
Scope of planetary evacuation fleets as well as flotillas/convoys which I gather are merchant purposes. Certainly whole battlefleets of warships owuld not be that concentrated routinely. What's more is that this is forces in the region of a single subsector, it would seem.
Page 144
Squinting down with one of his other eyes, Zaragoza scanned data from a runescreen detailing readings from the Angelica Mortis’s ethervanes.
Ethervanes.. sensors for reading the warp

Page 145
A waiting vassal pressed a pair of psyoccular magnoculars into his hand..
Psyoccular binocs.

PAge 145
"Unknown vessel identified emerging from the Osphoren Flux on an identical course to our own. Vessel signature in absence, but the architecture is distinctive and, along with its size, bears the hallmarks of an ancient vessel. Dimensions are… difficult to measure with this equipment. However, I can confirm that it is the largest vessel I have ever seen and, even with these instruments and at great distance, I estimate that it must be six or seven hundred cubic kilometres. Larger than Lentigo, the largest of the Escharan moons."
Some sort of moon sized starship, estimated mass of 6-7 hundred cubic km.. that means easily 600-700 billion cubic meters, which translates into something like hundreds of billions of tons depending on exact density (between 250-1000 kg*m^3 as my benchmark here.) It's a lower limit certainly at that, and implied to be moon sized.
Page 148
"Psyoccular image captured from the Empyredrome..."
...
"Censor-cropped by Chaplain Shadrath, in the interests of spiritual licentiousness. "
Apparnetly the Navigator can, via MIU, create a 'picture' of what he's seeing and transmit it. I also like the censoring. :P

Page 148
. From the tactical bay rumbled the tracks of a mobile weapon. The quad barrels of a Thunderfire cannon emerged, followed by the chunky brutality of its itinerant chassis. Its armour plating bore the colours, scarring and annotations of the Excoriators Chapter, the Cog Mechanicum and a name: Punisher. Following the Techmarine like a hunting dog, the cannon’s machine-spirit drove the heavy metal beast on down the ramp.
Self propelled Thunderfire cannon. Nice to know some fo them are mobile rather than static.

PAge 148
"This can’t be a vessel – not if these reticles are anything to go by."
...
"That is a vessel," he confirmed. "Something ancient, abominable and glorious. The Imperium hasn’t made vessels of this size and design for thousands of years."
Apparently millneia ago (howeve rmany that is) the Imperium built ships with a volume of 6-7 hundred cubic kilometres, if not outright moon sized. And presumably not just one. This ranks up there (at least) with the Furious abyss and that 60 km mass conveyor form Thousand Sons.

Page 159-160
..Mosca brought the brute length of a heavy stubber – thrice blessed and liberated from idleness in the barracks armoury – from concealment. Turning and hugging the flared muzzle of the brute to his body, the chorister yanked frenziedly on the trigger.
The barrel danced this way and that under the recoil and Mosca’s unpractised aim, but at almost point-blank range the stubber’s bullets punched through the pig-priest’s back.
Man portable heavy stubber. Probably of the same calibre magnitude as the ones in the Vraks supplements rathe rthan the .50 cal types

Page 160
He didn’t notice the poor marksmanship of Charnel Guardsmen flashing about him – the single bolts of their lasfusils flying past. He was lost to the moment and lost to the monument, until a lucky shot found him – burning out the back of his skull and bringing peace to a mind devoid of reason.
Single lasfusil shot 'burns out' the back of a human skull. Assuming its just a fancy wy of saying headsplosion we're talking single digit kj. IF we're talking something more like boiling or vaporizing part of the brain? hundreds of kj easily. Assuming a 15-20 cm diameterbrain and the 400 j per sq cm 'flaying flesh off skin' type flash burns we also get around 70-125 kj. Actually cremating or vaporizing? much more energetic :P OF course it might only make a narrow hole too..

Page 162
"Thousands of stasis caskets and sarcophagi arrive here every day from Imperial worlds across the sector: hive-worlds, cardinal worlds, garrisons and so forth. Occasionally people are interred accidentally – sometimes even on purpose."
"Buried alive?" Kersh marvelled.
"Without power and a stasis field, dead bodies rot in the sacred earth. Those buried alive might ordinarily have an hour or two of air, screaming for their lives below the ground where no one can hear them." Kraski turned his head and spat a stream of tobacco and saliva behind his back. "It is cemetery world practice to fashion all headstones with a safety mechanism: an air source and wire cords leading to small bells, set by the masons in the decorative detail of the gravestones."
"All the graves have these mechanisms?"
"It’s an ancient custom."
Another bit of this novel I like for its quirkiness... high tech means to let people know you're buried alive. Again reminiscient of one of those Ian Watson elements, like the planet where wheels were forbidden because of symbolism but they had antigravity crap.
Also the scope of death handled daily on the planet, as well as the use of stasis devices to preserve bodies for burial.

Page 164
"The murder rates are impeccable here. Until last month, I only had four murders on my slates for last year, global total. Two, the cycle before that."
"What about last month?" Kersh enquired.
"Thirty-seven,"
The census mentioned at the start of the book was one million. That is one death per 250,000-500,000 people annually. Annual homicides elsewhere are noted here and generally the numbers are favorable to this world, especially compared ot the US or Russia or other places. Hell it still is favorable compared to places like Germany or Norway or the UK. While I wouldn't apply this across the Imperium (It certainly won't work on Hive worlds for example..) it's an interesting statistic. Say what you will about the Imperium in some ways, but it seems it can do a good job of keeping the peace when it isn't corrupt or ineffectual or hampreed by some other proble,
Heck even at the elevanted deathrates this cemetary world still does better than the US :P

Page 167
"We’ll widen the exclusion zone and have the Angelica Mortis obliterate it from orbit."
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"It would cause untold damage to the surrounding plots and tombs…"
"We can calibrate the warhead," Techmarine Dancred informed him.
Munitions can be 'calibrated' to control the collateral damage. WE saw another eample of this in Nightbringer, but its nice to know that even the munitions can have 'variable yields' ;)
Page 167
"The Thunderfire cannon can deploy subterranean ammunition designed to destabilise and disorientate"
...
"Directional salvoes combined with strategically placed demolition charges from the Charnel Guard armouries..."
Thunderfire cannons have subsurface ammo and 'directional salvoes', which It ake to mean shaped charges.

Page 169
How any of them survived the trivialities of command, however, I know not. On the battlefield, I have seen mortals exceed the cruel limitations of their bodies. I do not hold them in contempt or exercise a prejudice for such handicap. They, however, exceed the cruel limitations of my attention and interest. They can talk for hours of nothing. You would think a short existence would breed a brevity in their number, but no.
...
Oliphant seems a good man. He doesn’t make my skin crawl like the cardinal world husks we found on St Ethalberg, but I find the boundless benevolence of his devotion difficult to endure. Every statement must be qualified with a prayer. Every act is worthy of Holy Terran grace. The pontifex showers me and my Excoriators with compliments and blessings, and prattles his priestly interpretation of the God-Emperor’s will.
I'll admit, Kersh had me chuckling here. And while he's still kinda in that 'I'm different from humans so I find them hard to understand' mode, he at least is fair enough without being totally condescending (unlike some more assholish Astartes.) so his attitude is more understandable.

Page 170
I think of the Ruinous monument. Of the thunder of Brother Dancred’s efforts on the horizon ..
REcall that the Thunderfire cannon was bieng used to demo the monument. This might mean the thunderfire has a direct fire 'on the horizon' sort of range... call it around 5-8 km.

Page 172
"The Emperor is flesh and he is blood. He lives and breathes. His sons honoured this, as do his sons’ sons. When will humanity, from whose ranks the Emperor emerged, recognise this? Priests… what do they know of the Emperor’s will? Priests, who take history – the truth of deeds long done – and use it to peddle lies and expectation. Who are you to offer hope? Vague promises of sanctuary and intervention, designed to distract humanity from the misery of an Imperial existence? The Emperor is a powerful man – but he is not all-powerful. If he was, do you think he would allow his people to languish as they do under threat of torment, poverty, hunger and death? As a man he is father to us all, not some omnipotent god to feed your desire to be loved and assuage your mortal fears. As a father, he does his best – as he always has – to protect his children. He reaches out to smash, with a righteous fist, those that seek to harm you. We are that fist."
Again I find myself agreeing with Kersh. This is becoming a pattern.
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