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Canadian Opinion piece on Obama and the election

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The National Post is unabashedly conservative in the main so it's not a shocking position for them to be hard on Obama, but I'm curious how much might be truthful here. Interested in hearing comments.


http://fullcomment.nationalpost.com/201 ... and-worse/
Following the bank and auto-sector bailouts, stimulus spending, two unfunded wars and expanded Medicare benefits, it was hard to see how U.S. president Barack Obama could make more of a mess out of America’s fiscal situation than his predecessor, George W. Bush. But he has — and the American people are paying the price.

When Obama was elected, back in 2008, there was hope he could return America to a more sustainable fiscal situation. After all, former president Bill Clinton was running a balanced budget a mere eight years earlier.

While Obama has not instituted a set of communist policies designed to fundamentally alter the country — as many partisan Republicans would have you believe — he has significantly increased spending and government regulations, which are strangling the economy. The national debt rose $4.899-trillion during the eight years under President Bush; it has already risen close to $5-trillion during Obama’s first term.

According to a report released Wednesday by the non-partisan Congressional Budget Office, the U.S. is now in a catch-22: Continuing down this path of massive budget deficits increases the chance of the country experiencing its own European-style debt crisis, which will greatly increase the cost of borrowing. If spending cuts go into effect and the Bush-era tax cuts expire (both of which will happen automatically, unless Congress acts), however, the economy could fall off a “fiscal cliff” — shrinking 0.5% in 2013.

The Obama administration has also vastly increased the regulatory burden on the economy — instituting an average of 72 new major regulations per year, as compared to 36 during the Clinton years and 45 under Bush.

According to a new study conducted by NERA Economic Consulting for the Manufacturers Alliance for Productivity and Innovation, complying with Obama’s new regulations will cost the economy between $240-billion and $630-billion this year alone. As a result, the manufacturing sector expects exports to drop between 6.5% and 17% — costing the industry upwards of $500-billion.

Some people may dismiss these numbers because the study was funded by the manufacturing industry. But there can be no doubt that it costs businesses huge sums of money to comply with the modern regulatory state.

It is especially ironic because the U.S. has numerous subsidies and trade barriers designed to protect the manufacturing industry. Such policies lead to higher consumer prices, higher taxes and less efficient industries. The simple solution would be to decrease the regulatory burden that manufacturers, and other businesses, face. Unfortunately, Obama has gone in the opposite direction.

It would, of course, be unfair to blame Obama for a mess that has been created over decades by both political parties. Ronald Reagan and George W. Bush presided over massive spending increases; Clinton and Bush II also increased regulation; while Congress has substantially increased the of new laws it passes on an annual basis since the early 1980s.

But Obama’s record in his first term is still dismal. For all his talk about creating jobs and improving the economy, Obama’s policies have only served to increase the cost of doing business and divert money from productive sectors of the economy to increase government spending. The only question is whether the Republicans can fix the fiscal mess they helped create.

To his credit, Mitt Romney has at least been talking about the regulatory burden the American economy faces. Paul Ryan is, likewise, one of the few politicians talking about entitlement reform.

But Romney has explicitly stated he will not use the Ryan budget as a template for his own economic policies — which he has left incredibly vague. And even the Ryan budget does little to cut real spending in the short term, partially because it does not cut military spending, which is arguably as big an issue as entitlement spending.

Not only are policy makers stuck in a catch-22 over how to prevent the economy from falling back into recession while staving off a looming debt crisis, the American people are also facing a similar conundrum in choosing the next president: Neither party has a track record to suggest it is willing and able to address the country’s serious economic issues, and neither is willing to work co-operatively in a political environment that is entrenched along partisan and ideological lines.

Americans may soon have to resign themselves to the fact that this election is — as an episode of the TV series South Park once characterized all elections — a choice between a “Douche” and a “Turd Sandwich.”

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Re: Canadian Opinion piece on Obama and the election

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It's blatantly partisan and virtually every paragraph contains unsupported opinion like "regulations are bad hurr" and provides misleading statements like the "debt has risen to 5 trillion under Obama" That sounds like an increase of only 200b to me but they make it sound like it's doubled.

And the last paragraph is just profound in its unoriginality and for lack of a better word "lame."

The only positive I can see in this article is that they actually do criticise American defense spending, but these things are relative.
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Blayne wrote:It's blatantly partisan and virtually every paragraph contains unsupported opinion like "regulations are bad hurr" and provides misleading statements like the "debt has risen to 5 trillion under Obama" That sounds like an increase of only 200b to me but they make it sound like it's doubled.
A bit of knowledge might do you well:

The statement is that President Bush, over 8 years in office, raised the total debt by nearly $5 trillion, while President Obama has come close to doing the same in just three years.

This is derived from the fact that the federal debt prior to Bush was around $6 Trillion (roughly), and by the end of President Bush's terms it was on the close order of $11 Trillion. As of right now, it's close to $16 Trillion.
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Blayne wrote:...and provides misleading statements like the "debt has risen to 5 trillion under Obama" That sounds like an increase of only 200b to me but they make it sound like it's doubled.
Hold on: your illiteracy is their fault? They the debt had risen close to $5 trillion, not that it had risen to $5 trillion. It's a measure of the change in the debt, not the aggregate.
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While Obama has not instituted a set of communist policies designed to fundamentally alter the country — as many partisan Republicans would have you believe — he has significantly increased spending and government regulations
The author is an idiot.

Over-regulation can hurt the economy yes. However, the US is currently under-regulated. This has nothing to do with the actual laws, but how captured by private interests our regulatory apparatchik happen to be. The EPA ignores flagrant violations of the clean water act by energy companies in west virginia, and permits current and former board members to sit on panels tasked with approving their own chemical submissions. The SEC is a toothless joke, and neither they or any other regulatory agency currently regulates the trading of complex derivatives that caused the Great Recession. The minerals management service has fucking orgies with oil company lobbyists. Even OSHA levies fines for massive safety violations that are smaller than the profits of cutting corners, permitting things like the Texas City Oil Refinery, and the state of West Virginia (which after 150 years is still a de facto subsidiary to various coal companies) to happen. No regulatory agency takes into account past corporate behavior when making permitting decisions--so BP has not been debarred from US operations even if only in sensitive areas. Even university research ethics reviews are better than any of these. An IACUC or IRB has conflict of interest rules and takes into account past violations. Jesus fucking christ.

I will deal with the government spending in two parts. The first is with counter-cyclical spending, the second I will get to with regard to the idiotic statement regarding a debt crisis.

When a state is in recession, government spending helps. Plain and simple. Money is injected into the economy, permitting people who would otherwise save (or go into destitution) to actually spend, creating liquidity and getting the money. This can be done in a number of ways, from monetary policy to infrastructural projects, and some are more effective than others. Dropping interest rates for example encourages borrowing, so small businesses can start up etc. Infrastructural spending puts people to work. Not all of this is strictly even counter-cyclical. Monetary policy is, direct government spending on social safety nets and infrastructure are things governments do anyway, but by doing more of it in a recession they speed recovery. At least on the demand side. The supply side is a different matter. Arguments can be made (I know, because I make them) that supply side stimulus is less effective than demand side stimulus because without demand, new workers are not hired. This can lead to a jobless recovery which is what we are in now, where certain metrics economic health improve, but unemployment stays high. The precise form is not the important thing though. The point is, government spending does not strangle the economy.

As for a european style debt crisis.... No. The really big problem with europe right now, as I recall, is two-fold. The first is that they were tied in to the US financial system, and they took a hit when our financial sector collapsed under its own unregulated toxic mass. That is what happens when there is an investor-induced housing market bubble. Housing prices cannot increase forever, eventually the market corrects. This will be important momentarily. Commercial banks took advantage of the repeal of Glass-Steagall to package their mortages into securities and then sell them to investors who then owned the debt. They then played the speculator game, and effectively bet against their own mortages which, incidentally, were designed in such a way as to make their failure more likely. The commercial bank collects on the debt and hands the proceeds over the security holder, but are still on the hook if the mortgage fails. That is not a problem if the housing prices keep going up, because the bank can sell the collateral and make good on their debt. If the market corrects--and it did-- this can be a problem, because now the commercial and investment banks have staggering losses that are amplified beyond the original mortgage price. The economies of other countries were tied into this system, and the smaller economies like Iceland and Belgium did not the robustness to weather it, their economy went tits up temporarily, their governments resigned in shame (something unheard of here in the US. Governments resigning when they fuck up. Heaven forbid), some constitutions got re-written etc.

I mention this because it needs to separated from the current issue. Namely, the economies of several other countries are basically giant ponzi schemes with falsified books. Hi Greece. That is a completely different thing. The US has a huge debt, but the US has an economy other than its debt. Greece, it turns out, does not and lied about it. The greek government lied about its non-existent economy in order to borrow from mostly german banks, so that they could prop up a man of straw and call it their economy. Without actually having the "collateral" on its loans, the debt is toxic.

The US owns their Economy House, and borrows money against it. They take out a national mortgage, and periodically refinances.

The greeks do not own their Economy House. The germans do. But they managed to lie about their Economy House sufficiently well to keep the germans from knowing for a while, and are now on the hook for both. And because they dont have an economy except for what they have borrowed, and even if they did, tax evasion in greece has been elevated to the level of a religious obligation, they have no way of repaying it. Italy IIRC is in roughly similar (if not exactly the same) straits. Which is ironic, because they invented Double Entry Book-Keeping.
According to a new study conducted by NERA Economic Consulting for the Manufacturers Alliance for Productivity and Innovation, complying with Obama’s new regulations will cost the economy between $240-billion and $630-billion this year alone. As a result, the manufacturing sector expects exports to drop between 6.5% and 17% — costing the industry upwards of $500-billion.

Some people may dismiss these numbers because the study was funded by the manufacturing industry. But there can be no doubt that it costs businesses huge sums of money to comply with the modern regulatory state.
These studies leave out the money paid out in worker's comp claims, cancer treatments and otherwise paying for the cost of that which regulations prevent. What the basically do is say that "Internalizing this externality costs us money, therefore it costs the economy money" when in reality the externality is still a cost that has to be paid for by someone, and by not internalizing (and thus preventing) the externality, the long-term cost is greater.

Lets put it another way. In order to comply with a regulation, new equipment has to be purchases, inspections have to be done, water tested etc. This cost is someone else's gain. So it washes out in terms of the economy as a whole. However, by paying that cost, a chemical manufacturer lets say, reduces the risk of cancer for thousands of people because they have reduced amount of toxic effluent coming out of their plant.

They just dont want to internalize their externalities. So fuck them.
For all his talk about creating jobs and improving the economy, Obama’s policies have only served to increase the cost of doing business and divert money from productive sectors of the economy to increase government spending.
He wanted a demand-side stimulus. The republicans stonewalled him into a less-effective supply-side stimulus that did not create jobs, and amounted to a massive wealth transfer to the already wealhy.
The only question is whether the Republicans can fix the fiscal mess they helped create.
The answer is no. Given the above.
To his credit, Mitt Romney has at least been talking about the regulatory burden the American economy faces. Paul Ryan is, likewise, one of the few politicians talking about entitlement reform.
Yes. Because millions of people descending into destitution and not spending money is great for the economy. Oh. Wait. It is time for a discussion of marginal utility and progressive taxation.

Lets say I have a rich person. Like say, Mitt Romney. Someone who has more money than they know what to do with. Most of their money gets locked away in investment accounts or foreign bank accounts, or invested overseas. It is not spent. It might get re-invested, but that does not stimulate demand. Any economic gains from that money are fractional to its actual value. If the dollar value to government revenue is any indication--for every dollar in tax cuts to the wealthy you make, you get back about thirty cents in taxable economic productivity. For every dollar you put into entitlement programs or assistance to the poor, you get back 1.3 dollars because the money gets spent and eventually finds its way into the hands of the rich anyway. It amplifies through the economy.

This guy is an idiot. Not worth discussing further.
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Meanwhile here's an Australian piece talking about how we view the US election.

http://www.theage.com.au/opinion/politi ... 24wia.html
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TimothyC wrote:
Blayne wrote:It's blatantly partisan and virtually every paragraph contains unsupported opinion like "regulations are bad hurr" and provides misleading statements like the "debt has risen to 5 trillion under Obama" That sounds like an increase of only 200b to me but they make it sound like it's doubled.
A bit of knowledge might do you well:

The statement is that President Bush, over 8 years in office, raised the total debt by nearly $5 trillion, while President Obama has come close to doing the same in just three years.

This is derived from the fact that the federal debt prior to Bush was around $6 Trillion (roughly), and by the end of President Bush's terms it was on the close order of $11 Trillion. As of right now, it's close to $16 Trillion.
I hadn't looked at the debt clock in a while so yes that's true, but its still wrong in saying that the debt is strangling the economy, the debt was money spent to fix it. A balanced budget won't fix the economy (it might eventually fix itself at great human cost however).
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Well, this isn't fox news so I don't know whether it applies.

One of the main reasons for the increasing deficit, as outside of stimulus spending is due to decreased revenue during the recession. So, even as Obama cut taxes and the government overall, including state and county level has been spending less and less money as the years go by, the deficit is rising thanks to the drop in cash flow.

Now, Foxnews in the past has lambasted the Clinton budget surpluses as being imaginary, because borrowed from SS and rising revenue due to good economy, so, that would had been hypocritical of Fox to say Obama is a poor fiscal reformer.
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If a budget surplus caused by a growing economy is 'imaginary,' what does that say about Republican plans to balance the budget by cutting taxes and then depending on the economy to grow?
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