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Japanese Broadcast Official: We Didn’t Commit War Crimes, the U.S. Just Made That Up

Japan's top TV figures are making increasingly outrageous statements about World War II

In the clearest signal yet of U.S. unhappiness with the rightward tilt of Japan’s political leadership — and by extension, Prime Minister Shinzo Abe — the U.S. embassy in Tokyo has strongly condemned charges by a top official at Japan’s national public broadcaster that Americans fabricated war crimes against Japanese leaders during World War II in order to cover up American atrocities.

“These suggestions are preposterous. We hope that people in positions of responsibility in Japan and elsewhere would seek to avoid comments that inflame tensions in the region,” an embassy spokesman told TIME early on Friday.

The charges were made this week by Naoki Hyakuta, a nationalist writer and close friend of Abe, who was recently appointed to the board of governors of the Japan Broadcasting Corp., commonly known as NHK.

In campaign speeches on behalf of a far-right candidate for the governorship of Tokyo, Hyakuta claimed that the infamous Nanjing Massacre in 1937 never occurred, and that Americans staged the postwar trials of Japanese leaders to cover up U.S. war crimes. He said those crimes included the atomic bombings of Hiroshima and Nagasaki and the mass firebombings of Tokyo.

The staunchly conservative Abe himself caused diplomatic outrage in December, when he paid his respects at Tokyo’s Yasukuni Shrine — a memorial to the Japanese war dead including 14 high-ranking war criminals. Beijing, Seoul and Washington strongly condemned the visit. Now supporters of Abe who have been appointed to NHK’s top decisionmaking body are fueling tensions by making revisionist or inflammatory statements.

Last week, the new NHK chairman Katsuto Momii provoked outrage both at home and abroad when he said all of the countries involved in World War II maintained “comfort women” — a euphemism for the system of forced prostitution employed by the Japanese military during the war years.

That charge prompted a frosty denial from the U.S. embassy in Tokyo that American forces had engaged in any such activity.

Along with Hyakuta’s charges, it was reported this week that another NHK board member had published an essay praising the leader of a nationalist group who committed ritual suicide in the offices of a major newspaper in October 1993 to protest negative news coverage.

Board member Michiko Hasegawa wrote that because the activist recited a brief prayer to the Emperor before shooting himself in the abdomen, “His Majesty the Emperor has again become a living god.”
 Hasegawa is a professor emeritus of Japanese cultural studies in Tokyo.

Japan’s Emperors were once worshipped as living gods, but are designated under the current constitution as “the symbol of the state and of the unity of the people.” As such, they have no governing authority or official religious function.

Hasegawa, who also has close ties to Abe, published the essay in connection with a ceremony marking the 20th anniversary of the activist’s death.

The appointment of such staunch nationalists to NHK’s board is part of a concerted campaign by the Abe administration to recast Japan as the true victim of World War II and put a more benign face on the country’s often brutal colonial practices, says Jeff Kingston, professor of Asian studies at Temple University’s Tokyo campus.

“These are Abe’s cronies, they agree with his revisionist views, and now he’s putting them in positions of power and influence,” says Kingston. “What they don’t realize is that the right-wing revisionists are not convincing many people in Japan, and they are not convincing people outside Japan. What they are doing is creating a huge diplomatic problem.”

Japan is locked in increasingly tense disputes with neighboring China and South Korea over territorial and historical issues. A spokesman for China’s Foreign Ministry denounced Hyakuta’s statements on the Nanjing Massacre as “a barefaced challenge to international justice and human conscience” and called on Japan to “face up” to its history.

China says 300,000 Chinese soldiers and civilians died in Nanjing during a weeks-long rampage by Japanese troops. Although some mainstream historians put the number of casualties lower, few — if any — deny the incident occurred.

Critics say the Abe appointees threaten the editorial integrity of Japan’s largest broadcaster.

“Just the knowledge of the character of the governors leads producers and journalists working for NHK to engage in self-censorship,” says Michael Cucek, a Tokyo-based research associate at MIT’s Center for International Studies.

Indeed, NHK did not report chairman Momii’s controversial statements on comfort women until he was grilled by opposition members during a Diet session three days afterward. Nor had news of the debate over Hyakuta’s and Hasegawa’s statements appeared on the NHK news website as of early Friday — despite more than 7,200 messages, mostly negative, phoned in or emailed to NHK’s headquarters.

Members of the opposition have called for the appointees to be replaced, but an Abe spokesman said all had been speaking in their capacities as private citizens and had not violated government policy.

NHK is Japan’s largest television network, funded largely by viewer license fees. It produces round-the-clock entertainment and public-interest programming and operates news bureaus around the world.

The 12 members of NHK’s board serve three-year terms. They are appointed by the Prime Minister with approval of the Diet and exercise authority over NHK’s annual budget and top executives.

Hyakuta is the author of several best-selling books, including The Eternal Zero. Abe and his wife attended a screening of the film version of the book over the New Year holiday. The movie ends with the hero, a pacifist fighter pilot turned Kamikaze, flying his airplane into an American aircraft carrier.
There's just so much wrong here. I remember a few years ago (well more than a few) I used to worry about a resurgent Germany, which now seems ridiculous as the more I learn the more I've found how anti-Nationalist the country has become and German citizens seem to be taught the correct history of their country including the horrid shit they got up to in the 30's and 40's. But with this article and other recent shit Japan has pulled I don't think it's unreasonable to have at the very least more than a little trepidation at the direction Japan seems to be going in as far as totally ignoring their past which was as bad as the third Reich. They seem to not be teaching their children the truth about their history and the fact that Japan was the aggressor nation in WWII and committed horrible atrocities against the Koreans, Chinese, Philippines, and other people in conquered territories. I mean they were dissecting POWs to better learn how to use chemical and biological weapons for fucks sake, and they DID use them against the Chinese. And I'm not even going to get in to how they treated POWs. I know America made its fair share of mistakes, the internments mostly, but this is just... Sick.

I mean I personally am conflicted about the use of the Atomic Bombs on Japan, but ultimately view it as a numbers game and come to the conclusion that they were a strategic, moral, and political necessity and saved more lives than they took as monstrous as they were. But I can't help but think that we needed to keep firebombing and possibly even used more nuclear bombs on them until they surrendered unconditionally so we could have tried, convicted, and hanged Hirohito. That may have gone a long way towards forcing them to reconcile with their actions before and during WWII like the Germans were forced to do.
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Here is another illuminating article from The Independent

How Japan’s ‘BBC’ is rewriting its role in the Second World War


Naoki Hyakuta says Japan was lured into the Second World War by America while liberating Asia from white colonialism.

He denies war crimes such as the 1937 Nanjing massacre, when Japanese troops killed thousands of Chinese civilians. Such views are common among revisionists in Japan. Mr Hyakuta, however, sits on the board of the nation’s public service broadcaster.

NHK has annual revenue of more than $6bn (£3.7bn), putting it close to the BBC. Like the British broadcaster, it is obliged to be impartial and aloof from the political fray, so the company is under intense fire for the extraordinary views of four its governors, all reportedly handpicked by the right-wing Prime Minister, Shinzo Abe. The 12-member board controls programming policy and budgets.

The furore began two weeks ago in a press conference by NHK’s new chairman, Katsuto Momii, who stunned journalists by saying it was “only natural” that NHK should follow the government line on Japan’s territorial disputes with its neighbours. “When the government says ‘left’ we can’t say ‘right’,” he said. He then defended Japan’s wartime system of sex slaves, saying such a system was “commonplace” in war.

Next up it was the turn of board member Michiko Hasegawa. In an essay written a month before her appointment, she eulogised an ultra-nationalist who committed ritual suicide a decade ago in protest outside Japan’s liberal-left Asahi newspaper. “There could be no better offering,” said Ms Hasegawa.

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Japanese recruits at bayonet drill using Chinese prisoners as targets, after the capture of the Chinese capital, Nanjing, in 1937

Mr Hyakuta is a vocal supporter of Toshio Tamogami, the candidate for Tokyo governor who was sacked as air-force general in 2007 for denying the accepted narrative of the war. In a speech last week campaigning for Mr Tamogami, he called the Nanking Massacre a “fabrication”.

The appointments have crystallised lingering fears about Mr Abe’s agenda. He wants to radically overhaul three of Japan’s basic modern charters: the 1946 pacifist constitution, the education law and the security treaty with the United States.

Critics say such a far-reaching project would have profound consequences for Japan, but the NHK controversy seems to show that Mr Abe intends to shut debate down. “Momii is perfectly willing to, in effect, turn NHK into a propaganda mouthpiece of the current administration,” thundered an unusually fierce editorial in The Japan Times.

The battle lines around Mr Abe’s agenda are set to harden. His ruling Liberal Democratic Party is preparing to challenge the constitutional ban on collective self-defence, a pillar of Japan’s post-war pacifist stance. Opinion polls suggest that more than half of the public oppose Mr Abe’s pet project. Having the state broadcaster on your side no doubt helps.
I mean:
Naoki Hyakuta says Japan was lured into the Second World War by America while liberating Asia from white colonialism.

really says it all what idiots are in power in Japan.
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Thanas wrote: I mean:
Naoki Hyakuta says Japan was lured into the Second World War by America while liberating Asia from white colonialism.

really says it all what idiots are in power in Japan.
Are they idiots, or just ultra Nationalists with an agenda? That's what kind of freaks me out a bit. I'm not ready to set my hair on fire and declare Imperial Japan resurgent the way I'm saying Putin is nuHitler and the Russian Federation is like the next Nazi Germany, but I do find this worrying. I think Obama through ambassador Kennedy needs to firmly tell them to cut the shit unless a remilitarized Japan is part of his strategic vision for our focusing on the Pacific and away from the Middle East (you know, since we're done wrecking the place because we can make our own oil now) in which case he can further get fucked. Not to sound too much like Thanas. :mrgreen:

The sad part is I remember back in the late 90s learning about how Japanese students are taught outright falsehoods about the war and it being annoying and offensive. Now I realize it was very dangerous and has led to this.
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That's not really much different than American traitor-apologists referring to the Civil War as the "War of Northern Aggression." You've gotta do a little double-think when you're advocating for the belligerent side if you don't care to explain that belligerence. No big surprises here from Japan's notoriously dickish right wing.
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Tanasinn wrote:That's not really much different than American traitor-apologists referring to the Civil War as the "War of Northern Aggression."
But those are fringe groups in the USA while in Japan, it is the party in power.
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Tanasinn wrote:That's not really much different than American traitor-apologists referring to the Civil War as the "War of Northern Aggression."
But those are fringe groups in the USA while in Japan, it is the party in power.
Well, it's not really fringe groups TBH. But that shit is not taught in schools, it's learned at home.
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There are people like this in every country, it is just worrying how much power they have in Japan.
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I find it interesting that apparently none of the asian countries noble Japan 'was liberating from western colonialism' seem to see it that way. Of course they were obviously contaminated by the twisted western worldview in the process so what do they know, right?
China especially is obviously a puppet of the west.

And yes it is considerably different from US Civil War apologists. While the intention may be the same ('We weren't actually in the wrong') the situation is not. The Civil War apologists don't get to say so on state sponsored TV. This is the equivalent of an ARD/ZDF bigwig in Germany saying 'the US made up the holocaust'.
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Flagg wrote:But I can't help but think that we needed to keep firebombing and possibly even used more nuclear bombs on them until they surrendered unconditionally so we could have tried, convicted, and hanged Hirohito. That may have gone a long way towards forcing them to reconcile with their actions before and during WWII like the Germans were forced to do.
Flagg, Japan did in fact surrender unconditionally. It was a US decision to not try Hirohito as a war criminal. I won't side-track the thread with the why of it all, and probably one of the actual historians here would be a better source for the facts if you're interested in the details.
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Short version from my reading around the subject was that Hirohito was the Emperor of anything to still be revered as a deity by his subjects. If he'd been executed then Japan would have become nigh-impossible to even occupy, much less reshape into a useful ally.
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Broomstick wrote:
Flagg wrote:But I can't help but think that we needed to keep firebombing and possibly even used more nuclear bombs on them until they surrendered unconditionally so we could have tried, convicted, and hanged Hirohito. That may have gone a long way towards forcing them to reconcile with their actions before and during WWII like the Germans were forced to do.
Flagg, Japan did in fact surrender unconditionally. It was a US decision to not try Hirohito as a war criminal. I won't side-track the thread with the why of it all, and probably one of the actual historians here would be a better source for the facts if you're interested in the details.
Really? I was always taught in school and in every show about it I've seen has said that we accepted their surrender on the condition that Hirohito be given a figurehead role and not be tried. But it wouldn't be the first time I was taught utter bullshit in school and that pop culture history was proven to be utterly wrong.
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Naoki Hyakuta says Japan was lured into the Second World War by America while liberating Asia from white colonialism
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Amazing I have seen some non Japanese swallow this or variations of the theme. Basically it goes even though the Japanese was bad, they did protect those Asian countries from white genocide. When you point out that the Europeans were mainly fighting in... Europe (and parts of Africa) they will do a red herring and talk about how bad the Europeans were during colonial times. That is true, but utterly irrelevant to the period in the 1930s-40s.

After arguing with some retarded war crime apologists I had to do a bit of reading. They tend to portray the US as evil and Japan liberating Asia.

On another note, for years the US (with a few exceptions) has ignored complaints from SK and the PRC about how Japan glorifies war criminals, and now it seems that bullshit has now come home to roost.

Back on topic with the Japanese historical revisionism, their arguments are actually easy to take apart if you just pay attention to dates. Yes they are that lazy. In fact expect to see variations of the following arguments

1. Japan was treated more harshly than Germany because Germany was WHITE. Witnessed how the US nuked Japan but didn't do so to Germany. Hur hur racist Americans.

Look at the date the US first tested its atomic bomb. Now look at the date Germany surrendered. Notice how the US can't nuke Germany because the bomb wasn't even ready.

This argument also ignores how Germany was split into East and West while Nazi war criminals are still hunted into the modern day, while Japan never had that.

2. The Americans nuke Japan because they didn't want the Soviets to take it, and the Soviets were advancing rapidly.

Again just look at the dates. The Soviets attacked Japan on August 9 while the first nuke was dropped on August 6.

3. The US wanted to show how mighty it was by testing the nuke on Japan.

They might have a point if Japan surrendered and the US tested it anyway. However the ROC, the British Empire and the US gave Japan warning in the Potsdam declaration calling on it to surrender unconditionally on July 26. By then Japan had already lost the Battle of Midway. They had time to surrender before the nuke was dropped. Its quite telling it took two nukes and the Soviet Union smashing their army in Manchuria, on top of defeats inflicted by the USN and battles going against them in China before they surrendered.

4. The US refuse the Japan peace offers. They were just itching for an excuse to put down poor poor Japan.

Actually I will quote them directly.
The National Archives in Washington contain US government documents that chart Japanese peace overtures as early as 1943. None was pursued. A cable sent on May 5, 1945 by the German ambassador in Tokyo and intercepted by the US dispels any doubt that the Japanese were desperate to sue for peace, including "capitulation even if the terms were hard". Instead, the US secretary of war, Henry Stimson, told President Truman he was "fearful" that the US air force would have Japan so "bombed out" that the new weapon would not be able "to show its strength". He later admitted that "no effort was made, and none was seriously considered, to achieve surrender merely in order not to have to use the bomb".
No seriously. They say as early as 1943 Japan made peace overtures to the US with "generous concessions." Naturally they won't say what these conditions are, but I am willing to bet it included keeping some of their occupied territory and wasn't unconditional. Again this is easy to refute by looking at the date of the Potsdam declaration (July 26 1945) and more telling Japan's response to it, which was broadcast on public radio as opposed to some "secret documents".
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Flagg wrote:
Broomstick wrote:
Flagg wrote:But I can't help but think that we needed to keep firebombing and possibly even used more nuclear bombs on them until they surrendered unconditionally so we could have tried, convicted, and hanged Hirohito. That may have gone a long way towards forcing them to reconcile with their actions before and during WWII like the Germans were forced to do.
Flagg, Japan did in fact surrender unconditionally. It was a US decision to not try Hirohito as a war criminal. I won't side-track the thread with the why of it all, and probably one of the actual historians here would be a better source for the facts if you're interested in the details.
Really? I was always taught in school and in every show about it I've seen has said that we accepted their surrender on the condition that Hirohito be given a figurehead role and not be tried. But it wouldn't be the first time I was taught utter bullshit in school and that pop culture history was proven to be utterly wrong.
Well after going on Wikipedia and reading the terms of surrender and with some additional information from Thanas I'm sad to say I was done a terrible injustice in my education from elementary school through high school because Broomstick is 100% correct. Sorry guys. I feel like an asshole both for advocating even more death and destruction on the Japanese people and for shitting up the thread with false information. I'm pretty embarrassed. :oops:
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Unless the Japanese people wake up and vote these guys our pronto, I wouldn't be surprised if Japan's Constitution ends up being re-written and the government essentially becomes a full out dictatorship. The LDP has pretty much stated that they disagree with the concept of western democracy and human rights, at least from the few articles I've read so far.
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Tribble wrote:Unless the Japanese people wake up and vote these guys our pronto, I wouldn't be surprised if Japan's Constitution ends up being re-written and the government essentially becomes a full out dictatorship. The LDP has pretty much stated that they disagree with the concept of western democracy and human rights, at least from the few articles I've read so far.
I heard that the LDP is full of revanchists who are just itching to remove Article 9.

But look - there were threads before this when some posters on this board tried to explain how horrendously bad Japanese war crimes were and how horrendously bad the post-war denial was, which included refusals to grant reparations, visits to honour war criminals and now this. Combined with Taro Aso's "Let's learn from the Nazis to change our constitution" and official Japanese media completely ignoring just how deadly the "Co-Prosperity Sphere" was for the poor sobs who happened to be in it.

Japan is revanchist. People just have to deal with it. Japan claims a lot of territories it surrendered all rights to after the war. Notice how Germany doesn't try to claim any, even though it has lost a whole lot more than Japan. And Japan's revanchism has been moving from kooky sphere into the "realms of possibilities" sphere: naval buildup, agressive posturing in territorial disputes and at the same time historical revisionism at its worst.
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I wonder if Japan and China will go to war. It would be a sad affair but maybe they need it to resolve this simmering tension that has been there ever since WW2.
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They are not going to be stupid enough to start a war with China.
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cosmicalstorm wrote:I wonder if Japan and China will go to war. It would be a sad affair but maybe they need it to resolve this simmering tension that has been there ever since WW2.
That's ridiculous. Even if Japan goes full r*tard and throws out the postwar constitution they are still going to be one of Americas closest allies. And even should that change and American troops were expelled they wouldn't start WW3.
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cosmicalstorm wrote:I wonder if Japan and China will go to war. It would be a sad affair but maybe they need it to resolve this simmering tension that has been there ever since WW2.
If you're going to say stuff like this you need to think about what Japan would gain by starting such a war. The answer is that they gain nothing they can't get just by posturing and dick waving instead, and dick waving doesn't carry the same expense that a war would.
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In fact they get to keep being a country instead of a post apocalyptic wasteland by not going to war.
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Re: Japanese Broadcast Official: We Didn’t Commit War Crimes

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Stas Bush wrote:
But look - there were threads before this when some posters on this board tried to explain how horrendously bad Japanese war crimes were and how horrendously bad the post-war denial was, which included refusals to grant reparations, visits to honour war criminals and now this. Combined with Taro Aso's "Let's learn from the Nazis to change our constitution" and official Japanese media completely ignoring just how deadly the "Co-Prosperity Sphere" was for the poor sobs who happened to be in it.

Japan is revanchist. People just have to deal with it. Japan claims a lot of territories it surrendered all rights to after the war. Notice how Germany doesn't try to claim any, even though it has lost a whole lot more than Japan. And Japan's revanchism has been moving from kooky sphere into the "realms of possibilities" sphere: naval buildup, agressive posturing in territorial disputes and at the same time historical revisionism at its worst.
But Stas, [Chmee] Japan donates a lot of foreign aid, totally makes it ok [/Chmee]. At least thats what Chmee said before Darth Wong banned his sorry arse for being generally dishonest.

In any event, I am not sure how much Japan can afford to spend on its military over the mid to long term. Certainly in the short term I would say they have an advantage if it doesn't go nuclear, but economically it doesn't look like they will match China especially when its a case of Japan's best day (after Abenomics short term boost) isn't as good as China's worse day (growth of "only" 7.7%). They also seem determine to compete against Russia and SK for disputed territories as well. In the mid to long term deteriorating relationship with their neighbours will affect their economy, which will in turn affect their ability to fund their military.
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Re: Japanese Broadcast Official: We Didn’t Commit War Crimes

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The US dropped nuclear boulders on civilians and had the Russians steal half of my country and hand it over to a chinese-bred lunatic (seriously, Kim Ill-sung could barely speak any Korean when he was crowned king by Stalin).

And then you left the japanese Emperor and his rotten family alone. The people who held all the responsibility were allowed to remain untouched, including the asshole that ordered the rape of Nanjing. Which is one of the reasons the Japanese never quite internalized their guilt over their atrocities before and during WW2.

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Re: Japanese Broadcast Official: We Didn’t Commit War Crimes

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Well Metahive, don't forget that even people from Unit 731 weren't put on trial - they were saved and later hired to develop more of the same shit they used to kill Chinese. After that how would one even expect the US to put Hirohito or poor lil prince Asaka?

But truth be told, the US didn't really "give" half of Korea to Russia. The USSR took it, pretty much in the same way as North Vietnam, and there was no way of changing that. Only the Vietnamese were more lucky, since old Uncle Ho wasn't hellbent on making himself god and restoring a hereditary Asian despoty.
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Re: Japanese Broadcast Official: We Didn’t Commit War Crimes

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Stas Bush wrote:But truth be told, the US didn't really "give" half of Korea to Russia. The USSR took it, pretty much in the same way as North Vietnam, and there was no way of changing that
Well, no way short of more years of warfare, only with the possibility of nukes involved. While I agree there are many flaws with the way things were handled at the end of WWII I'm not convinced there was a better way. It would be an interesting conversation, but one I'd pretty much have to watch from the sidelines as I don't feel I'm knowledgeable enough to be more than the most casual commentator.
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Re: Japanese Broadcast Official: We Didn’t Commit War Crimes

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Just traveling in Japan, it is disturbing how obvious it is that they feel this way. Back in December I was in Kure, Japan, to see the Yamato museum (a pretty wonderful museum, in many respects). They treat WW2 as something that just happened TO Japan, as opposed to something that they initiated. They don't talk about the 1930s, they pretty much jump right to talking about their defeat, in terms that imply they feel that losing was a great tragedy.

Even more disturbing, though, was the sign I saw in Kure advertising a Christmas light show with a Kido Butai theme. Seriously, Christmas lights in the trees in the shape of Zeros and aircraft carriers, etc. Also, while I was on the waterfront I could see hovering off the coast this "destroyer" they commissioned not long ago.
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