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And this is AFTER the GOP voted AGAINST opening new Veterans' Clinics. Smooth. Real smooth. That leaves who still supporting the GOP at this point? Christian fundies and white supremacists?

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/05/27/us/ve ... nator.html
WASHINGTON — An “open letter” from a senior Republican senator to the nation’s veterans in which he castigates the leadership of veterans’ organizations prompted a brutal war of words over the Memorial Day weekend, including a promise from the Veterans of Foreign Wars that its “hat in hand” approach to Congress will turn more combative.

The controversy over delayed access to care at Department of Veterans Affairs hospitals veered, over the weekend, away from allegations of incompetence at the top of the agency toward a broader fight over resources and the future of government health care for an expanding pool of veterans.

The issue carries risk for Republicans because they could be left with a politically difficult effort to privatize at least some veterans’ health care or to pump more money into a system covering about 2.8 million veterans of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, an option veterans groups have demanded but Republican leaders have resisted.
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“What we need to establish now is how we can provide high-quality, timely health care to all of our veterans, period,” said Senator Bernard Sanders, independent of Vermont and the chairman of the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee, who is preparing legislation for Senate consideration in the coming weeks. “At a time when we have a major primary-care crisis, how do we make sure the V.A. gets the staffing they need?”

The open letter, from Senator Richard M. Burr of North Carolina, the ranking Republican on the Veterans Affairs Committee — and the groups’ responses — pushed the conflict into the open.

Mr. Burr, angry that only the American Legion has called for the resignation of the veterans affairs secretary, Eric Shinseki, accused the groups of being “more interested in defending the status quo within V.A., protecting their relationships within the agency, and securing their access to the secretary and his inner circle” than in helping members.

The Veterans of Foreign Wars, the Disabled American Veterans and the Paralyzed Veterans of America hit back hard.

“For years, the V.F.W. has come to Congress with hat in hand, and for years we’ve heard the same old story,” the heads of the veterans group wrote to Mr. Burr. “You can be assured, Senator, that you’ve done a superb job in showing us the error in our ways. You can also be assured that in the future, we will spend a substantial percentage of our time seeking to inform our members and our constituents of the repeated failure to act by our elected officials.”

To that sentiment, the national president and the executive director of the Paralyzed Veterans of America added, “Perhaps you should have shared with all veterans in your ‘open’ letter that you cared so much about their health care that you were not actually present during the testimony that the V.S.O. representatives provided, and you did not ask a single question.” V.S.O. stands for veterans service organizations.

Mr. Burr, along with other senior Republicans like Senator John Cornyn of Texas, the No. 2 Republican in the Senate, has called on Mr. Shinseki to resign, a demand echoed by the American Legion but not by other veterans groups or by Speaker John A. Boehner of Ohio.

But beneath the fight over Mr. Shinseki’s future is a potentially larger war over the Veterans Affairs health care system itself. Over the weekend, the Obama administration said it would allow more veterans to get access to care through private health facilities to ease the backlog at the department’s 152 medical centers and 900 community care facilities.
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Republicans in the House and Senate are pushing further. Representative Jeff Miller of Florida, the chairman of the House Veterans Affairs Committee, will introduce legislation this week to give any veteran unable to obtain a V.A. appointment within 30 days the option to go outside the system at the department’s expense.

“For the full basket of reforms to take place at the V.A., there has to be some level of competition,” Mr. Burr said Monday in an interview. “The problems seem to be so systemic, and in some cases, so cultural, that unless there’s a model that gives veterans some ability to decide where to go, I don’t think we will have the means to meet the needs of current veterans, let alone future veterans.”

Veterans groups maintain that the department’s services for spinal cord injury, care for the blind, amputee care and other trauma cannot be matched by private facilities. Over the past two to three years, the department has had a net gain of 1.5 million patients, 200,000 of them with post-traumatic stress disorder and traumatic brain injuries, according to Mr. Sanders.

Relations between the organizations and Senate Republicans have been strained since February, when Republicans blocked a vote on broad veterans legislation, written by Mr. Sanders, that would have bolstered health and dental care, authorized 27 new clinics and medical facilities, added to veterans education programs, and dealt with veterans who suffered sexual trauma while in the military.

Republicans complained that Democratic leaders were not allowing them to amend the bill. But at heart is a budget fight. Republican leaders say the department is plagued by inefficiency and poor management, not insufficient funds. For the past five years, Congress has largely given President Obama what he has requested, and the department has had hundreds of millions of unspent dollars at the end of each year to roll into the next.

Mr. Burr spared the American Legion, saying, “It is clear that the Legion has been listening to its membership.”

He then all but called for a purge of the other veterans groups. “I fear that change within the V.A. will not be possible unless and until these organizations also reconsider their role, as well as the nature of their relationship with V.A.,” he wrote.

The responses were unusually personal. Bill Lawson, the national president of the paralyzed veterans group, and Homer S. Townsend Jr., the executive director, criticized Mr. Burr for supporting the filibuster of the veterans bill in February, and said, “You clearly represent the worst of politics in this country.”

William A. Thien, the commander in chief of the V.F.W., and John E. Hamilton, the adjutant general, pointed to a staff with more than 47 combat deployments in Vietnam, Somalia, Iraq and Afghanistan and four Purple Hearts, 16 Air Medals, Bronze Stars and other honors.

“I suggest you compare the more than exorbitant amount of days off you receive, including virtually the whole month of August, two weeks around Easter/Passover, and certainly not a single five-day workweek, to the often time long, arduous hours they put forth every week of the year,” the letter said.

Mr. Burr said: “Clearly I hit a nerve. I think they’ve shown more outrage toward my open letter than outrage toward the current crisis at the V.A.”
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Good. . . .Please let the military get pissed off at republicans
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Not likely, this is just deflection to get some heat off the admin which is taking heat for the culmination of decades of mismanagement at that agency.
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Patroklos wrote:Not likely, this is just deflection to get some heat off the admin which is taking heat for the culmination of decades of mismanagement at that agency.
Actually, everything I have read is that the VA is actually pretty well managed
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Wanted to add, with Veterans, I often find that they want to increase the size of the military while decreasing taxes and not increasing US debt.
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Kitsune wrote:Wanted to add, with Veterans, I often find that they want to increase the size of the military while decreasing taxes and not increasing US debt.
That depends on rate. You won't hear airman or sailors demanding we add in an extra 50,000 of either. Soldiers want more soldiers because 1/90 ratios are what we deal with so fuck you.

And no one asks the Marines anything important.

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Mr Bean wrote:
Kitsune wrote:Wanted to add, with Veterans, I often find that they want to increase the size of the military while decreasing taxes and not increasing US debt.
That depends on rate. You won't hear airman or sailors demanding we add in an extra 50,000 of either. Soldiers want more soldiers because 1/90 ratios are what we deal with so fuck you.

And no one asks the Marines anything important.
I read all the time on Warships1 complaining about reducing number of ships while the same posters will argue for reducing taxes. All this simultaneously screaming about national debt. Actually it is one of the ex marines who argues "that will not work."
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Mr Bean wrote: And no one asks the Marines anything important.
Given that the head of the USMC said to congress lower pay scales will give him better marines, and the USMC is now seeking to buy amphibious vehicles that cannot float in the ocean, why would we ask them anything? To generate more insanity? It has has many troops as it did in the cold war anyway, at one point recently MORE, and yet thousands of them are now part of SOCOM (it was ZERO a decade ago) and something like 900 just man fixed listening posts on Oahu and a few other Pacific islands in completely non tactical roles.
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Kitsune wrote:
Patroklos wrote:Not likely, this is just deflection to get some heat off the admin which is taking heat for the culmination of decades of mismanagement at that agency.
Actually, everything I have read is that the VA is actually pretty well managed
It was well managed.... In the 90s.

There's a funny thing about healthcare. Quality depends on how many patients go through the system. Before the Iraq and Afghanistan increase the VA workload, they were providing efficient care.

It honestly didn't take that long for the system to collapse given we started hearing complaints about the VA on 2005.

It's one of the reasons why I'm sympathetic to Republicans bemoaning Obamacarr will worsen healthcare, because for those in the system, they are going to have to give up something to accommodate others. If only there wasn't so much fuck you, I got mine mentality....
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