Tech Based Magic: Sufficiently Analyzed Magic

[Corvus 501]

From what I can see, most basic examples of magic shown in fantasy could be performed by the use of incredably focused telekinesis. Now I'm not claming that it's at all possble in realaty, but it seems to me that with one acceptable break from realaty, (think using FTL travel in otherwise hard sci fi) "magic" would pe possable.

[Corvus 501]

The idea is that with gene therapy and implants, with the implants doing all the heavy lifting, maby with the actual power provided by a backpack or suit baised powerscorce, actual work could be done, as apposed to levating feathers and paperclips.

[Simon_Jester]

How do you 'bless' something with precision telekinesis? How do you peer into a crystal ball and see what someone else is doing, or predict the future?

Sorry, it's just that 'magic' is good for a lot more than moving stuff around.

Also, most technology that would lend itself to telekinesis would be a lot more dangerous when operated by heavy machinery and computers- something to bear in mind.

[Batman]

How do you facilitate mind-reading by telekinesis? Mind-manipulation? Incendiary spells I can actually see, as well as kinetic damage/effect ones, but how do you do stuff like 'Wish' or 'Time Stop' with TK? Yes, 'some' magic could probably be done with TK. A hell of a lot of it could not.
Also, it's 'incredibly', 'reality', 'based', 'power source', and 'possible'. Do us all a favour and learn some spelling.

[Grumman]

...how do you do stuff like 'Wish' or 'Time Stop' with TK?

"Time Stop" would work the same way cryokinesis would: by using your telekinesis to hold things still.

[Batman]

If you have TK to the extent that you can hold everything in the immediate area of the caster still one wonders why you bother since you obviously have the means to rip things apart or, if you're Superhero-comics minded, move it elsewhere. If you have TK to the extent that you can use it to emulate 'Time Stop' effects you're stupid to use it that way.

[Bedlam]

How do you peer into a crystal ball and see what someone else is doing, or predict the future?

Have a really tiny drone following them and sending wireless signals to the display in your crystal ball.

Statistics, good knowledge of the current state of the world and a really powerful computer.

Any good technomancer player in Mage the Ascension can come up with a dozen ways magic can be science.

[Corvus 501]

How do you facilitate mind-reading by telekinesis? Mind-manipulation? Incendiary spells I can actually see, as well as kinetic damage/effect ones, but how do you do stuff like 'Wish' or 'Time Stop' with TK? Yes, 'some' magic could probably be done with TK. A hell of a lot of it could not.
Also, it's 'incredibly', 'reality', 'based', 'power source', and 'possible'. Do us all a favour and learn some spelling.

I said nothing about telapathy, only using the fine application of telekinesis. However, do you have any ideas about how telapathy could be achieved, while only bending a few laws of phisics? Personaly, I was thinking of baising it on quantium entanglement

[Corvus 501]

sorry about the spelling, I'm posting from an iphone.

[Beowulf]

iPhones have autocorrect. It's possible to spell wrong on an iPhone, but it'll usually come out as a wrong word, not a misspelled word. For example, "telapathy" gets corrected to "telepathy". "phisics" to "physics". "baising" to "braising". "iphone" to "iPhone". Etc. You are arguably in violation of rule P-1 ("Use Proper English"). And worse, lying about why you can't manage to spell.

[Malagar]

iPhones have autocorrect. It's possible to spell wrong on an iPhone, but it'll usually come out as a wrong word, not a misspelled word. For example, "telapathy" gets corrected to "telepathy". "phisics" to "physics". "baising" to "braising". "iphone" to "iPhone". Etc. You are arguably in violation of rule P-1 ("Use Proper English"). And worse, lying about why you can't manage to spell.

It is entirely possible that he has turned it off, I turned it off on my phone because it annoyed me.

[Simon_Jester]

iPhones have autocorrect. It's possible to spell wrong on an iPhone, but it'll usually come out as a wrong word, not a misspelled word. For example, "telapathy" gets corrected to "telepathy". "phisics" to "physics". "baising" to "braising". "iphone" to "iPhone". Etc. You are arguably in violation of rule P-1 ("Use Proper English"). And worse, lying about why you can't manage to spell.

It is entirely possible that he has turned it off, I turned it off on my phone because it annoyed me.

He needs the autocorrect badly. On which note...

Corvus, I'm just going to start going through your posts and deleting all the misspelled words. Then responding as though that's what you said. Get it right, and don't willfully get it worse when people point out to you that there's a problem.

Spelling is a basic skill in the English language. You are only hurting yourself by keeping up this ridiculous pretense that it doesn't matter.

How do you facilitate mind-reading by telekinesis? Mind-manipulation? Incendiary spells I can actually see, as well as kinetic damage/effect ones, but how do you do stuff like 'Wish' or 'Time Stop' with TK? Yes, 'some' magic could probably be done with TK. A hell of a lot of it could not.
Also, it's 'incredibly', 'reality', 'based', 'power source', and 'possible'. Do us all a favour and learn some spelling.

I said nothing about _________, only using the fine application of telekinesis. However, do you have any ideas about how _________could be achieved, while only bending a few laws of _______? __________, I was thinking of _______ it on _______ entanglement

Since you clearly forgot all the objects in your sentences, you have nothing to say to me this time. Right?

[biostem]

Well, let's say that you could control gravity to a very exacting degree, and in very rapid and intense strengths, via some sort of implant or other discrete tech that you wear/carry. If this could be controlled via thought, (or through some sort of contact lens-like screen that you interface with eye movement, sub-vocal communication, or other means, then to the uninitiated, it could appear that you were using magic. Now add in some cool or ominous sounding trigger words, (as an actual part of the trigger, or just as a cover for how you're really pulling it off), and the presentation comes across as all the more credible. Heck, if you could manipulate atoms or subatomic particles instead of just gravity, you could trigger any number of effects - increase atomic motion to create heat and fire, slow it to freeze things, rip atoms apart to cause explosions, strip or move electrons for electrical effects, move air for wind effects - it's all possible.

For instance, in Mass Effect, the Biotics simply have nodes of element zero throughout their body, and use some sort of amplifier or implant to utilize them for their "magic" effects - so it's just a matter of how advanced the tech is and how clever the person using it is.

That episode of Star Trek, where the woman posed as the devil in order to claim ownership of a planet, comes to mind - she used holography, transporters, force fields, and tractor beams to change her appearance, cause earthquakes, and so on...

As for things like mindreading or telepathy - what if you could detect the subtle neuro-electric impulses of a person's brain remotely? Perhaps you could pick up their thoughts or intended movements. Maybe you can measure their heart rate and other vital functions, and if you had access to some intelligence on this person, extrapolate their likely actions based on past observations, (of course you'd have to get that info first). Maybe you could release nearly invisible nano-particles which land on an opponent's skin or get inhaled, and they could relay information to you, or even impact that person's ability to function - if you didn't want to outright kill them, maybe you could inhibit their ability to release adrenaline, or lessen their blood's ability to carry oxygen. What if you could reduce their brain's ability to function, or cause visual/auditory hallucinations? It's all a matter of what kind of tech your setting has and how your character uses it...

[Corvus 501]

That's exactly what i awas looking for, biostem. The idea for the controll and power systems I just ripped straght from Mass Effect, though honestly I didn't think to use the abilities to affect BRAIN function.

Anyways, great idea, any ideas about telapathy? Maby useing telakinisis to affect brain chemestry, and using the implants to read body laungauge for empathy.

[Purple]

Out of curiosity, just what is the intended purpose of this? Is it just a thought experiment or is it research for some work of literally fiction and such. Because if it is the former, fine, I am all for it. But if it is the later you would be better to leave the "magic" unexplained. Especially if the alternative are descriptions like the above which confuse more than they enlighten and will end up sounding like trek technobable.

[Corvus 501]

Whenever I read fantasy, I to see if the magic system stands up to realaty, to see if it's science fantacy. Right now, I'm only trying to refine some ideas that have been bouncin around my head for a few months.

[biostem]

That's exactly what i awas looking for, biostem. The idea for the controll and power systems I just ripped straght from Mass Effect, though honestly I didn't think to use the abilities to affect BRAIN function.

Anyways, great idea, any ideas about telapathy? Maby useing telakinisis to affect brain chemestry, and using the implants to read body laungauge for empathy.

I suppose if the degree of control was fine enough, and knowledge of the brain was that thorough, one could remotely constrict/restrict blood flow to certain areas of the brain, to reduce higher brain function, access to memory centers, reduce motor control, and so-forth. If this setting has the ability to actually map memories to the point of storing and playing them back, then perhaps that could be done non-invasively, and from a distance, to pull off some sort of mind-reading effect.

If these types of capabilities are a reality in your setting, then they should either be extremely rare, or there should be a prevalence of counter-measures - perhaps it is common practice for people to wear/have implanted certain counter-measures so one cannot simply be mind controlled/hijacked - sure, doing this type of stuff to others would be illegal, (with the military or elite having access to better tech), but for 99% of the population, some generic "protection package" would be enough to allow them to live a normal life.

Another approach would be that one must have these implants in order to be affected by someone else who has them, (with the saturation of this tech being high, it would almost mean everyone - a la the Ghost in the Machine anime), so finding someone without said implants makes them an oddity...

[Corvus 501]

Good idea, also genetic engineering could be used to produce an antitelakinatic shield. It probibaly would work like an inertal dampaner, as it would creat a counterpulse to cancle out telakinetic impulses to the brain, and maby the rest of the body.

[Purple]

Why bother with genetic engineering? Wouldn't a hat that acts as an insulator do as well?

[Jub]

Corvus, no offense dude, but if you can't get very basic spelling down, maybe you should be less worried about writing fan fiction and more worried about writing concise and understandable English. Even if this isn't for your Mass Effect fanfic, your posts are still unreadable. Put some effort in or please take a break from posting.

[Purple]

Am I the only one who has absolutely no problem reading his posts? I mean sure every word is misspelled but I don't notice it unless I focus on analyzing his post. Otherwise I just read it perfectly fine.

[Jub]

Am I the only one who has absolutely no problem reading his posts? I mean sure every word is misspelled but I don't notice it unless I focus on analyzing his post. Otherwise I just read it perfectly fine.

I can read it, but it's such a small thing that this trivial to either fix or explain away. More to the point, if he ever does right his fan fiction who would read it if the spelling looks like this?

Back on topic again:

@Corvus: How do you see technology enabling telekinesis and thus producing all these offshoot ways to use it? Are you seeing telekinesis as the end goal of something like gravity manipulation tech and nano-machines or is it a happy side effect of a series of technologies coming together at once? Are you seeing this as something anybody can do or do you need special enhancements, special training, or some other combination of things to pull this off? Can you react to it and fend it off with anything less than equal skill or can you buy your way out of the problem with the right gear/implants?

[Purple]

I can read it, but it's such a small thing that this trivial to either fix or explain away. More to the point, if he ever does right his fan fiction who would read it if the spelling looks like this?

I would. Because quite honestly I don't feel the need to argue over spelling as long as it does not disturb my capability to read the text.

[Jub]

I would. Because quite honestly I don't feel the need to argue over spelling as long as it does not disturb my capability to read the text.

To each their own then. To me it brings me out of the story and smacks of a lack of effort and polish, to you it's just there and if the story is cool you'll keep reading. Nobody's wrong in this case.

[Lord Revan]

Purple I dunno where you're from but tbh misspelling does create an issue for me as I'm not a native speaker for english so when the spelling gets "creative" it's harder for me to guess what the actual meaning intended was, that said I'm fairly good at english so if it resembles the actual word I might able to get it right but we cannot assume that from everyone here.